Some parts of Bible that need explanation and research: COMPARISION OF PUNISHMENTS IN ISLAM JUDASIM AND CHRISTIANITY
COMPARISION OF PUNISHMENTS IN ISLAM JUDASIM AND CHRISTIANITY
The purpose of this message is not to disparage, but to simply show the interconnectivity of religions, and the fact that allegorical stories cannot be used to put down any religion or its followers. There is only ONE human family and one planet that we enjoy. We should bridges of harmony.
The issue with discussing religion is that if it is done in isolation then the context is lost. Islam cannot be discussed in isolation. It is a synthesis of Judaism and Christianity. It grew up in the same area.
Crime and punishment are dependent upon climatic, topographical, and social factors. The Hebrew and Arab traditions are different than the crime and punishment as developed in Southeast Asia,South Asia, Latin America or Africa. The punishments meeted out to traitors in Haiti was called the “garland” being burned in a tire on fire. Burning on the stake was the punishment for witches in France and Britian. Viking punishments of death with the sword are based on thier experiences. Swedish traditions on nudity are not acceptable to Sikh traditions in the Punjab. Morals have changed. The Kama Sutra was displayed in Hindu temples. Today the same pictures are not acceptable even in India. The Muslim painter Husain who simply reproduced the nude paintings already present in Hindu tempels has a death sentence on him.Burning widows on the fire along with the body of the husband are a Sati tradition in Hinduism. African traditions dictate various types of witchcraft traditions. South African Aparthied traditions used torture on blacks in many inhuman ways. The Catholic Church developed torture techniques for women and codified them in the book called Malleus Malfulcrum (http://medieval.etrusia.co.uk/malleus/). 9 million women were burned at the stake.Bishop Torquamada during the Spanish Inquistion beheaded Jews and Christians who did not convert.
The Chinese concubines were acceptable in Chinese society. Binding the feet of women was acceptable behaviour. Adultery is acceptable in French culture but not American. Gay priests are acceptable in some American churces but not Italian churches. Factions in Congo use rape as a weapon of war. 5 million women were raped a couple of years ago. Ugandan tribes punish each other by kiling them any way possible. Romans in Pompeii used eels to suck the blood of slaves as punishment. We are confident that in islands with plenty of water drowning would be the punishment. 50 million Hindu women known as “White Widows” are incarcerated in temples and sold as prostitutes in India today. The Incas and Mayas practiced human sacrifices and threw the bodies and heads down the pyramids. Hindu sacrifices of humans are sanctified under the banner of Kali Devi (see some in Indian Jones and the temple of doom-a movie banned in India). Each culture considers the other barbaric. Sexual promiscuity of Hilton, Spears and Lohan are considered dacadent by Latin America, and South East Asia!! Many parts of the world uses hanging as a punishment. The US uses lethal injection and the elctric chair, which in some states is now calssified as “cruel and unusual punishment.”
Quranic rules for crime and punishment are all based upon, Biblical, and Talmudic punishments. I did not decry any other religion. I simply informed you that Muslim laws were extracted from Talmudic laws, Torah and Biblical Laws.
Talmudic laws used stones because they are abundant. The Middle did not have an abundance of cliffs, like Greece (for example). Romans in Capri used to throw people off the cliffs.
The Torah precribes punishments, the Talmud places restrictions of two witneses for the crimes. In Islam, this has been more stringent and 3 witnesses are required.
Crime and punishments arise because of ethnic, geographical and cultural reasons. The purpose of listing these is to discuss the fact that many of these injunctions are not known to people.
You described and labeled many of the punishments as “barbaric” (your words not mine).
These punishments are all described in Numbers, Leviticus, Exodus, Deutronomy etc.
(May God forgive me if I have transgressed!!)
“Ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer…he shall surely be put to death” (Numbers 35:31).
“Thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe” (Exodus 21:23-25)
Punishments for the Amalkites are clearly defined in Deutronomy. If memory serves me right it is 12:24 or thereabouts. (I’ll check it in my Torah and then correct this post). The Rabbi in the synagogue said that the Palestinians were the new Amalkites and deserves the punishments listed in Deutronomy.
And When the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them, thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. . . .(Deuteronomy 7:2-6)
When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you . . . you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies . . . Thus you shall do to all of the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here.
But in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and Jebusites, . . . (Deuteronomy 20:10-18)
Know, therefore, that only the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His covenant and steadfast love to those who love Him and keep His commandments, to a thousand generations and requites to their faith those who hate him, by destroying them – never slow with those who reject Him, but requiting them instantly. Therefore, observe faithfully the instruction-the laws and the rules – with which I charge you today. (Deuteronomy 7:6-12
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you.You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. (Leviticus 25:44-46)
Bearing false witness in a capital case was in itself a crime punishable by death (Sanhedrin 9B, 32B, 86A, & 89A).
The first five Mishna deal with the laws of wicks, oil and so forth mShab 2:6 states, “for these sins women die during childbirth: Because they are not careful about the laws of mensturation, the dough offering, and lighting the sabbath lamps“.
The Mishna (Mishna Sanhedrin 49b-50) mentions four methods of execution,stoning, burning, strangulation, and beheading.
The Torah specifies a full litany of offenses for which a person may be put to death, including murder,
idolatry, blasphemy, adultery, violating the Sabbath, wizardry, and rebelling against one’s parents. The punishments for each transgression are noted as well-stoning, burning, and slaying by the sword.
Shariah is based on Abrahamic Laws, it does not deviate from the laws in vogue. In many cases, it places severe restrictions on its implementation.
For example on “adultery”, the punishment is the same, however the mandatory 3 witnesess, who should have seen the actual act and genitals makes it hard to implement.
Because you are an expert on Talmudic Laws, let me simply say that all the five areas of Talmudic Laws in fact describe crime and punishments in a vivid manner.
1. ZERAIM: concerning seeds. It treats of seeds, fruits, herbs, trees; of the public and domestic use of fruits, of different seeds, etc.
2. MOED: concerning festivals. It treats of the time when the Sabbath and other festivals are to begin, end and celebrated.
3. NASCHIM: concerning women. It treats of marrying and repudiating wives, their duties, relations, sicknesses, etc.
4. NEZIKIN: concerning damages. It treats of damages suffered by men and animals, penalties and compensations.
5. KODASCHIM: concerning holiness. It treats of sacrifices and various sacred rites.
6. TOHOROTH: concerning purifications. It treats of the soiling and purifying of vessels, bedclothes and other things.
I do not even want to list the punishments described in Abhodah Zarah, 15b, 22a, 22b or in Zohor (I,46b, 47a)
Mishna (San Hedrin 7.4) punishments:
Mishna, Sanhedrin 7.4 concerns offenders sentenced to death by stoning:
 one who has intercourse with his mother or his father’s wife, his daughter-in-law, a male or a beast;
 a woman who copulates with a beast;
 the blasphemer and the idol-worshipper;
 one who curses his father or his mother;
 one who has intercourse with a betrothed girl;
 the instigator (to apostasy) [mesith] and the imposter [maddich;
cf. Deut 13];
 the sorcerer, and
 the disobedient or rebellious son.
In addition to stoning crimes such as adultery or rape with a betrothed girl, …………..idolatry,blasphemery,sorcery, cursing parents, bestiality,adultery, and incest
The Old Testament prescribed stoning as the penalty for other different crimes:
- “If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can
be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and
there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a
disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her
father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you”
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21). Contrary to this approach, in Islam even
regency of woman does not determine adultery.
- “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your
holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it
must be put to death.”(Exodus, 35:
- “If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has
been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman,
the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death”
- “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be
on their own heads” (Leviticus, 20:13).
As we mentioned in my earlier post, 15 million people were murdered in WW1, 50 million in WW2. The Holocoust happened in Europe.
Stalin murdered 10 million Muslims in the USSR.
1 million women are raped in the USA every year. there are 10,000 murders in the USA. Statistics posted on this site.
Pro-Slavery passages in the New Testament:
Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. (1 Timothy 6:2)
Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior. (Titus 2:9-1)
Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. (1 Peter 2:18)
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ… (Ephesians 6:5)
Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed.
Anti-Semtic passages in the New Testament:
…the Jews; who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16.
Which echo the words of Jesus himself about the Jewish Scribes and pharisees:
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes … that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias … All these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew 23:34-36.
Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: that the blood of all the prophets, which shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation … verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:47-50, 51.
New Testament that accuse Jews or the Jewish religious leaders of violent intentions or physical violence against Jesus or his followers:
Matthew 12:9-14, 16:21, 20:17-19, 21:33-46, 26:1-5, 14-16, 47-50, 26:57, 66, 27:1-2, 19-26. Scathing attacks on the Jewish religious leaders of the day and their teachings. (Matthew 15:12-14, 16:5-12, 21:12-13, and chapter 23,
Mark 11:15-17, 12:38-40, Luke 12:1-3, 16:14-15).
Mark 3:1-6, 8:31, 10:33-34, 12:1-12, 14:1-2, 10-11, 43-49, 64, 15:1, 8-15.
Luke 9:22, 20:9-26, 22:1-6, 52-53, 22:26, 23:5, 23:13-25.
John 5:15-18, 7:1, 10-13, 19-20, 28-34, 8:20, 37-40, 57-59, 10:30-39, 11:45-57, 12:9-11, 18:3-14, 19-24, 28-32, 19:6-7, 12-16. Acts 2:22-23, 3:13, 4:22, 5:17-42, 6:8-15, 7:50-60, 8:1-3, 9:1-2, 9:21, 13:28-29, 50, 14:1-6, 19, 17:5-9, 20:19, 21:11, 22:22-23, 23:2-3, 10, 12-15, 20-21, 27, 24:1-9.
Acts 15, 21:17-26, Galatians 2:3-6.
Acts 13:14-16, 14:1, 17:1-4, 18:1-4).
Acts 28:16-17, 21-25
2 Corinthians 11:24.
1 Thessalonians 2:15-15.
I can’t even reproduce (Sanhedrin 105a-b),(Sanhedrin 106),
The Buddhists killed millions in the killing fiends of Cambodia. The Hindu scriptures talk about millions killed in the Mhabharta. Tamil Hindus and Sinhalese Buddhists kill by the dozens every day in Sri Lanka.
It is NOT about religion…..it is about misusing religion. It is about playing the blame game.
The Pakistani constitution states that no law will be made that is repugnant to the Quran and Sunnah. Hadd and Hadood Laws are subject to “Council of Islamic Ideology”. No Biblical punishments of hand amputation, beheading, lashes, or stoning are meeted out.
God, please forgive me if I have transgressed. We will remove this comment ASAP.
Peace be upon you and May God Bless you.
Bible killing versus: Exodus chapter 22. Kill, Numbers 31, Gospel of Luke chapter 22