Why Indians hate China? by Rajesh Gindwani rajeshgindwani@hotmail.com
Map of the South China Sea (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
China has included on its passport a map which includes the disputed Paracel and Spratly Islands. Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan, and India have protested and refused to recognize those passports.
The article mentions :
“The passports feature a map of China that includes areas of the South China Sea claimed by other countries, as well as territory claimed by India.
Taiwan’s government objected to the passports Friday, following similar protests by the Philippines and Vietnam. Officials at the Indian Embassy in Beijing are protesting in their own way, stamping Chinese visas with a map showing the disputed territory belonging to India, according to The Press Trust of India.”
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Map of various countries occupying the Spratly Islands (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
You see these are proud nations who will not hand over an inch of their territory to China, unlike the cowardly nation of Pakistan who handed territories under their control to China.
I understand the sentiments of the Nepali people, wanting to asset themselves more independently. But they don’t have a choice do they ? Being in a landlocked country was the major consideration why many princely states decided to join the dominion of India and Pakistan in 1947. Those states didn’t join willingly, it was the reality on the ground that forced them to act . Nepal has to see the reality on the ground as well. It doesn’t have much of a choice, it has to choose either India or China, and both come with consequences.
I have stated the consequences of joining with China. The Nepalese people for more details can open the history of South East Nations to see what China is all about. China in the past instigated many revolts in Asian and African nations, the most horrible was the Indonesian Communist Coup of 1965 which took 2 million lives. Being an expert at such games, China is without doubt causing the political problems in Nepal currently.
REBUTTAL TO CHINAPHOBIA
Your useless provocation is ignored
Map of the Spratly Islands. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Thank you for clearly explaining how the Bharti psyche works–we have already shown in the series why most of Bharat’s neighbors hate Bharat. This will be the next article in the series…
We refute all your points in a logical manner–so that our millions of patrons and thousands of readers that log on every day to this site become aware of the naked attempt to obfuscate events is rebutted properly. We don’t rebut you–we simply lay the facts down to our readers.
Your comment should have been titled “Why Indians Hate China” –and yes it will be published as such.
Lets talk about the content.
Location of the People’s Republic of China. This map shows territories controlled and claimed by the PRC. The PRC also claims sovereignty over Taiwan. Green = actual PRC control (mainland China, some South China Sea islands including those within the Spratly and Paracel island groups); Orange = claimed PRC territory (Taiwan, Penghu, Dongsha islands, Kinmen, Matsu, Arunachal Pradesh, Diaoyutai, Scarborough Shoal, Shaksgam) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
The US, Europe, the rest of the world AND India have a “ONE CHINA” policy which means that they accept the suzerainty of China over its break-away province Formosa. This is a non issue and Chinese maps since Nixon’s trip to China (though Pakistan).
China is being provoked because it has discovered oil in the South China Sea.
A resurgent China has clearly stated its position on border disputes, and ahas now published its visa policy publicly. It vociferously does to give Bharatis from Kashmir a visa on their passports. This led to the cancellation of the joint military exercise between Bharat and China last year.
This is a Chinese Buddhist Temple in China town in Saigon. It seems way more decorated than those you see in Shanghai and reminded me quite a lot of those in Taipei. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
The Philippines fought the Japanese and the US. Bharat is being asked to help out the Philippines which was annexed by the US in 1920 as an American state/territory and forced to reverse and retreat. The Philippines fought the US and ultimately got rid of the US Subik Airforce base (reasons why Marcos was maligned and eliminated). The Philippines has once again capitulated to the military industrial complex and offered a base to the US.
Vietnam fought France and the US for more than a decade for its independence and sovereignty. The US retreated in defeat. Its new generation is being beguiled. They may have to learn a new lesson. How the mighty have fallen Ho Chi Minh city. Maybe they will change name back to Saigon!
English: Spratly Islands military settlements Français : Etablissements militaires dans l’archipel des Spratly Tagalog: Sakop na lupa ng militar sa Pulo ng Kalayaan (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
China was given territory by Pakistan which it already held in 1947 — a case-study in good neighborly relations and dispute settlement, something that all neighbors should learn from. The resolution of that dispute led to a magnificent relationship between Pakistan and China, paying dividends to both sides. Pakistan did the same with Iran and resolved the border disputes with both its neighbors. It also resolved the issue of Gwader amicably with Qatar which handed over Gwader to Pakistan.
Bharat lost a major war in 1962 and offered little or no resistance to China which took over all of South Tibet (which Bharat calls Arunchal Pradesh) and thousands of miles on the Western border. At the time China asked Pakistan to do a joint attack, but Pakistan made a blunder and listened to Nehru’s promises and US advice and did not liberate Kashmir when it could have.
Satellite Picture of the South China Sea (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Your paternal attitude towards Nepal is the reason why the Nepalese hate you and want their territory back from Nepal. Even though most Nepalese share a faith with Bharat they want to remain independent, and their valiant fight is slauted by all. Bharat will never be able to take over Nepal, or Lanka, and it increasingly looks like that Bharat has lost Bhutan.
China has not accepted the assimilation of Sikkim with Bharat.
>>Being in a landlocked country was the major consideration why many princely states decided to join the dominion of >>India and Pakistan in 1947. Those states didn’t join willingly, it was the reality on the ground that forced them >>to act
You are incorrect in saying that being landlocked they found it prudent to join the Indian Union. In actual fact Nehru had issued threats to states that did not join the Indian Union “with a state of war with”. Hyderabad, Junagarh (not landlocked), and Manvadar (not resisted and were occupied). Official Pakistan maps (in the Atlas etc) still show Junagarh and Manvadar as part of Pakistani territory.
Indonesia? Rewriting history has its limits. General Sukarno was the most popular leader in Indonesia, he fought the 7 year war of liberation which the brave Indonesian people waged against the Duthc which like the French in ALgereia did not want to let go of their colonies. China had assisted Sukarno who was very popular leader. The US waged an incessent war and imposed Genral Suharto a very dictaro and a very cruel man in Indonesia. After several decades he had to leave, faced criminal charges. Sukarnoputri became the leader of Indonesia
India hate China? I always thought it was the other way around. That China is and has been always insanely jealous of India and its softpower.
The entire world ( especially the Westerners- which the CCCP seems particularly eager to impress)- sees India as a kind of spiritual beacon- not to mention its highlights such as Indian ffod ( tops in the UK), its beautiful people ( which all East Asians have to visit the plastic surgeon to emulate), Bollywood, its authors, its great philosophies/religions of Hindusim, Jainism and Budhism. The list goes on. As I see it China ( and especially the CCCP) is only known for brutalising the emphemeral Tibetians, do eating, aninal torture for extra “pleasures” etc. China is negative while India is positive. CCCP always jealous of India.
Your comments themselves are a summary of Chinaphobia
>>India as a kind of spiritual beacon
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If you think that Soft-Porn and frontal nudity has any soft-power, think again! Most decent folks (including Indian) are ashamed to see mosty Bollywood movies with their families
A most useless rebutal. You have mindlessly combined things about the past issues,irrelevant issues with issues at present. What has One China Policy got to do with my post ? And what has colonial wars of the Phillipines and Vietnam of the past got to do with this ? Let me uncover your irrelevant lies point by point.
Re : why Indians hate China: I did not say any such thing. Living in Indonesia, my post focuses on the delicate relations between South East Asian nations and China. India was mentioned only in brief.
Re :Formosa/Taiwan : I did not say anything about the one China policy. The Republic of Taiwan is not the issue here, it is Paracel and Spratly that is the issue.
But Paracel and Spratly is not a breakaway province hence got nothing to do with the One China policy. Stop trying to confuse your “million” readers with irrelevant facts ( in your world a million readers means Jamil Khan, Alansaralhaq, Waqqas and who seems to be dead Abdullah Jan)
BTW, Rep of Taiwan continues to defy China. It has a full scale embassy status “trade offices” in the capitals of the countries who lip service the “one China” policy. Taiwan maintains strong economic ties with them. I think Pakistan is the only country silly enough to believe that the one China policy is relevant and effective.
Re : Phillipines : the independence war with US was a thing of the past. Now Phillipines is US’s closest ally in South East Asia. The last president Arroyo stood by the US in its war with Afghanistan and the US is standing by the present President Aquino in the dispute with China.
http://tv.ibtimes.com/aquino-asks-help-us-south-china-sea-dispute-5068
Re Indonesia: you know better than to argue with me over the history of this country. Read this article below to proove that you are a poor historian when it comes to history of nations other than India and Pakistan. Read how China intefered with Indonesian politics in 1965 that ultimately led to poor Sukarno’s downfall.
http://countrystudies.us/indonesia/21.htm
The story doesn’t end here. China dragged Indonesia out of the international community. Indonesia is the only country in world history to leave the UN. Indonesia organised the Ganefo, and was the only country to be expelled by the IOC because of this. All this madness was ended by President Suharto. The smart thing he did was to put a 30 year freeze on Indonesia China relations, thus enabling Indonesia to grow.
Re : Vietnam : so the Vietnamese fought the French and the Americans. You still haven’t gotten ur old habits of hiding the facts, have you ? You didn’t write that Vietnam was invaded by China and they fought a war in 1979.
Which brings us to Cambodia. China backed the Khmer regime in Cambodia, and horrified the world with their genocide on their own people.
No one hates China. Not India not South East Asia. We just do not agree with the single party Communist regime. Once that’s gone China will be more friendlier. As far as people to people relations are concerned, we are definately friends with the Chinese. During the Jakarta riots of 1998, we Indians protected the Chinese from local mobs. I was one of the Indians who stood guard all night outside my housing complex while the Chinese fled. I go to the Chinese temples and pray with them, do bussiness with them and live alongside them.
So what does India hate then ? Yes there is one country we all Indians love to hate and that is Pakistan. We hate everything about you. You are most welcome to write an article on that, I will fill in the details.
Read your article again– it deserves the title “Why Indians hate China”.
This makes a good addendum!
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History doesn’t start ten years ago.
Sukarno got Indonesia independence. During Sukarno, Indonesia was a regional power. Suharto was the most brutal dictator in the world imposed on the people of Indonesia. His dictatorship saw the growth of a viral opposition. Jakarta will fall to Jamiah e Islami, and everyone else will be swept away. There is massive Anti-Americanism in Indonesia because of Acheh. The Filipino and Vietnam alliance is not reality — it garnishes a few Dollars. Visit Vietnam and get tours of the atrocities. Do you think that the Vietnamese have forgotten the napalm rape their country. The scars are everywhere. The Philippines had waged a war of independence against the US and Japan. Your revisionist history wont change the the colonial facts.
The Buddhist Khemer Rouge was created because of the massive bombing of the US of the “Ho Chi Minh Trail”. It had nothing to do with China. China supported the Cambodians and the Vietnamese for a decade.
The two little islands are Chinese and no one in the world can take them away from China. Taiwan will fall to the Chinese as a ripe apple just like Hong Kong did (despite British huffing and puffing to keep it British forever)– just you wait and see!
Lip Service to “One China” means a lot! No major country in the world can dare to say that “Taiwan is an independent country”. “Trade Offices” mean nothing!
India likes and loves China to the following extent :-
They dont see eye to eye and pretend ALL IS WELL.
In 1962 Chine embraced India and beat them black and blue.
China issues visa’s on letter heads.
China counters by surrounding india from all sides.
India adores China because China is world power.