English: Asif Ali Zardari – President of Pakistan. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Bismilla hirrahmaan irrahim –
Assalam-o-Alaikum — Peace be upon you.
Before I take up my speech, I want to express the strongest condemnation for the acts of incitement of hate against the faith of billions of Muslims of the world and our beloved prophet, Mohammad (peace be upon him).
The International community must not become silent observers and should criminalize such acts that destroy the peace of the world and endanger world security by misusing freedom of expression.
Pakistan moves the United Nations to immediately address in earnest this alarming concern and the widening rift to enable the comity of nations to be one again.
I want to congratulate you on your election to this important post.
I want to convey our appreciation of the previous President, His Excellency Nassir Abdul Aziz Al Nasser, from our brotherly state of Qatar, who skillfully preceded you.
I would like to further express our appreciation for the laudable work of the honorable Secretary General Ban Ki Moon. We greatly appreciate his leadership in guiding the work of this organization.
It is a special privilege to be with you today, representing the brave and courageous people of Pakistan.
Globally, we face enormous challenges.
But with collective efforts and commitment we can provide a better future to our people.
We must work to end poverty.
We must work to protect the planet, and mitigate climate change.
We must ensure equal rights to all peoples, and protect the weak & vulnerable.
We must pursue justice and fairness for all people.
We must pursue the peaceful settlement of international disputes.
We must save our current and future generations from the horrors of war.
I think of my own three children and the generations of children yet unborn.
They, and all the children of the world, deserve safety, stability, and security.
These goals have guided me throughout my four years in office as President of Pakistan.
These are the goals and principles about which I want to talk to you today.
Mr. President,
Pakistan’s engagement with the United Nations lies at the heart of these goals.
We are proud of going above and beyond the call of duty in fulfilling our international responsibilities.
Pakistan has consistently been among the top UN peacekeeping troop contributors for many years.
Today, over 10,000 Pakistani troops proudly wear the UN Blue Helmets in the service of our brothers and sisters around the world.
Mr. President,
Our election to the Security Council reflects our commitment to world peace.
It is also a vote of confidence by the international community for Pakistan and Ambassador Haroon.
The UN represents our common aspirations for peace and development.
However, it needs reform.
The UN system must become more democratic and more accountable.
Reform should be based on consensus and democratic principles.
Mr. President,
In the last several years, Pakistan has repeatedly suffered from natural calamities.
The people of Pakistan appreciate the support of the United Nations and the international community.
Mr. President,
Being a democratic country, we believe that legitimate aspirations of any people should be accommodated peacefully. and in a manner consistent with sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity.
We support the rights of the Palestinian people and an independent Palestinian State.
We also favor the admission of Palestine as a full member of the United Nations.
Mr. President,
There are a lot of questions that are asked of Pakistan these days.
I am not here to answer questions about Pakistan.
The people of Pakistan have already answered them.
The politicians of Pakistan have answered them.
The soldiers of Pakistan have answered them.
We have lost over seven thousand Pakistani soldiers and policemen, and over 37,000 civilians.
We have lost our Minister for Minority Affairs, Shahbaz Bhatti and my friend Salmaan Taseer, the Governor of our most populous province of Punjab, to the mindset of extremism.
And I need not remind my friends here today, that I bear a personal scar.
On December 27, 2007 knowing her life was under threat from the mindset she had warned the world against, Pakistan’s first elected woman leader and my wife Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto was martyred through the bullets and bombs of terrorists.
Terrorism and extremism have destroyed human lives, torn social fabric, and devastated the economy.
Our economy, our lives, our ability to live in the shadow of our Sufi saints and our freedom-loving forefathers have been challenged.
We have responded.
Our soldiers have responded.
So I am not here to answer questions about Pakistan.
I am here to ask some questions on behalf of my people.
On behalf the two year old baby who was killed in the bombing at Lahore’s Moon Market on December 7, 2009.
On behalf of Pervaiz Masih, a Christian Pakistani, who was killed with six others, trying to protect Muslim Pakistanis during a bomb attack on the Islamic University in Islamabad on October 20, 2009.
On behalf of Mr. GHA-YOOR, the Commandant of the Frontier Constabulary police force in Peshawar, who was assassinated by militants on August 4, 2010.
On behalf of the traders and entrepreneurs in Peshawar, Quetta, Lahore and Karachi, of the dozens of marketplaces that have been ravaged by multiple bombings. Over and over and over again.
And perhaps most of all, on behalf of my three children, whose mother Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto was also martyred by terrorists.
Mr. President,
For more than thirty years, our doors have been open to my Afghan brothers and sisters.
For many years, we were left to fend for ourselves and our Afghan guests.
Mr. President,
I remember the red carpet that was rolled out for all the dictators in our country – dictators who promised the international community the moon – while Pakistan was kept in the dark.
These dictators and their regimes are responsible for suffocating and throttling Pakistan, Pakistan’s institutions, and Pakistani democracy.
I remember the judicial execution of Pakistan’s first elected leader, Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
I remember the jailing of Pakistan’s elected leaders.
I remember the twelve years I, myself spent in prison.
And I remember the billions provided by the international community to support those dictatorships.
My country, its social fabric, its very character has been altered.
Our condition today is a product of dictatorships.
Mr. President,
No country and no people have suffered more in the epic struggle against terrorism, than Pakistan.
Drone strikes and civilian casualties on our territory add to the complexity of our battle for hearts and minds through this epic struggle.
To those who say we have not done enough, I say in all humility:
Please do not insult the memory of our dead, and the pain of our living.
Do not ask of my people, what no one has ever asked of any other peoples.
Do not demonize the innocent women, and children of Pakistan.
And please, stop this refrain to do more.
The simplest question of all is:
How much more suffering can Pakistan endure?
Mr. President,
I am sure the international community does not want any suffering anywhere, least of all in Pakistan.
We believe in fact, that the international community is a partner.
This is because it is the common interest of all nations to work together.
In Pakistan democracy has helped bring about a major strategic shift in how we view working together.
Within Pakistan, our democracy has brought about major changes.
InshaAllah, this will be the first civilian government in Pakistan’s sixty-six year history to complete its full, five year term.
In this time, Parliament has passed unprecedented reforms.
We have restored the consensus 1973 Constitution.
The National Assembly has enacted wide ranging social reforms.
We have established a National Commission on Women and a National Commission on Human Rights.
We have established for the very first time a truly Independent Election Commission, to ensure free, fair and transparent elections.
Our media is free, uncensored and thriving.
Our civil society is flourishing under the protection of democracy.
We have created the first social safety net through the women of Pakistan for the weak and less privileged. Millions of families have benefitted.
We have aided the poor and at the same time empowered the women of our households.
This safety net is called the Benazir Income Support Program.
These are the gifts of democracy.
This is the dream of Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto.
Mr. President,
The growing regional pivot in Pakistan’s foreign policy is a reflection of our democratic policy-making.
In engaging with our region, we are changing the future.
In China our strategic partnership is growing from strength to strength.
In Afghanistan, we have begun to engage and deepen our friendship with the entire range of the Afghan political spectrum.
We believe that a sovereign, stable and secure Afghanistan is good for the Afghan people.
And what is good for the Afghan people is good for Pakistan.
While our hearts and homes remain open to our Afghan brothers, it is imperative that the international community support the three million Afghan refugees in Pakistan in their quest to return home with dignity.
A brighter Afghan future will only be possible when the search for peace is Afghan-owned, Afghan-driven and Afghan-led.
We respect and support the efforts of the Government of Afghanistan for reconciliation and peace.
Pakistan will support in every way possible, any process that reflects Afghan national consensus.
Similarly, we approach our relations with India on mutual trust.
The contacts between our leadership are expanding.
I was encouraged by my discussions with the Prime Minister of India last month in Tehran, who I met for the fifth time in four years.
Mr. President,
Our principled position on territorial disputes remains a bedrock of our foreign policy.
We will continue to support the right of the people of Jammu & Kashmir to peacefully choose their destiny in accordance with the UN Security Council’s long-standing resolutions on this matter.
Kashmir remains a symbol of the failures, rather than strengths of the UN system.
We feel that resolution of these issues can only be arrived in an environment of cooperation.
By normalizing trade relations we want to create a regional South Asian narrative.
This narrative will provide an environment that will mutually benefit the countries of our region.
Mr. President,
Along this road, there are pitfalls.
One of them is the tendency to respond to failure through blame.
Pakistan does not blame others for the challenges it faces.
We believe we should look for win-win solutions.
Regional cooperation and connectivity will bring us closer and bind us together.
It will make us stakeholders in each other’s futures.
Our hosting of a quadrilateral summit next month and our signing of the Afghan Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement are proof of this commitment to regional connectivity.
The lesson we learnt in Pakistan from the last thirty years is that history cannot be changed.
But the future can-a future that is brighter, more prosperous and more secure,
not only for Pakistanis, but for all people of the region, and indeed the world.
I must thank the member states of the European Union for recognizing the value of trade to Pakistan.
We seek trade, rather than aid.
By granting trade concession to Pakistan, the EU has sent a positive message.
The trade concessions will help us revive the economy and fight terrorism.
Mr. President,
As we embark on this ambitious transformative experience, we are aware that there are threats and pitfalls.
One of them is the spread and illegal trade of heroin.
Despite the presence of international forces in Afghanistan, the size of the heroin trade has increased by 3000% in the last decade.
The heroin industry is eroding the social fabric of our societies.
Terrorist activities within our region and indeed all over the world are funded and fueled by the unrestricted production and sale of illegal drugs.
Pakistan has pursued an ambitious agenda to control this menace.
We are coordinating with our neighbors and will hold a conference later this year to develop a unified approach to stamping out this drug trade.
I call upon this august body, and especially those nations represented here who are actively engaged in the region.
In this great hall of international collective action, let us begin this process -
here, today, together.
Mr. President, Excellencies, delegates, fellow citizens of the world:
I have committed my Presidency and my nation’s future to a paradigm shift.
A permanent democratic future for Pakistan.
It has not been easy.
But nothing worth fighting for is easy.
We long ago stopped thinking of doing what is easy.
Instead, we have committed ourselves to doing what is right.
In that regard, I recall the powerful words of my beloved martyred wife and my leader Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto when she appeared before this august body sixteen years ago.
Her words ring out and can guide us into a new future.
She said in 1996:
“I dream of a third millennium in which the gap between rich and poor evaporates; in which illiteracy, hunger, malnutrition and disease are at long last conquered;
I dream of a third millennium in which every child is planned, wanted, nurtured and supported; and in which the birth of a girl is welcomed with the same joy as that of a boy.
I dream of a millennium of tolerance and pluralism, in which people respect other people, nations respect other nations, and religions respect other religions. That is the third millennium I see for my country and all of yours.”
We have made some progress towards achieving these goals.
But so much remains to be done.
In her memory and in the name of God Almighty, Pakistan commits to that path again today.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen, and may peace be upon you, and your countries, and the people of your countries.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Agreed Akhbar, a brilliant speech and stern unspoken warning.
I would like to comment on Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto’s 1996 speech.
1) “I dream of a third millennium in which the gap between rich and poor evaporates; in which illiteracy, hunger, malnutrition and disease are at long last conquered;
This dream of hers is a weapon for the Satanic Elite Cabal to murder / kill masses of poor and others.
An extremely rich man whose wife’s net worth is 53 Trillion Dollars said, “If there is a re-incarnation, I would like to come back as Virus and kill all the Humanity”.
There is enough food on the face of earth, but is withheld. Likewise there is a cure for every disease, but withheld except for the very rich. Most of the fatal disease currently are made in Labs for weapon use against all humanity.
2) “I dream of a third millennium in which every child is planned, wanted, nurtured and supported; and in which the birth of a girl is welcomed with the same joy as that of a boy”.
This statement is worth GOLD and worthy of Maghfirah as per Final Messenger (pbuh). Before explaining allow me to quote you a Hadith.
Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “Anyone who has three daughters and provides for them, clothes them and shows mercy to them will definitely enter the Garden.” A man from the people said, “And two daughters, Messenger of Allah?” He said, “And two.”
The question arises, what if parents have more than 3 daughters. Why did the Final Messenger (pbuh) mention 3 or 2 or 1?
As per my understanding, Muslims are encouraged to plan for daughters birth since Angel Gabriel had already brought the answer to a question posed by a Jew as to how a boy is formed.
There are 2 Hadith on this subject that which I would not quote for reasons that Hindus will come to know how a boy is formed without going through artificial medical means.
Science has found out about X and Y chromosome, but they still lack the complete understanding of X’s interaction from both parents. Which at this moment I care not to indulge as there is a lot more to be written.
So the Final Messenger is urging or ordering Muslims to have at-least 3 or 2 daughters and raise them as practicing Muslimah to earn ALLAH’S Mercy.
Whether Mohtrama Benazir knew about the above Hadiths of having three daughters and its hidden meaning? I am not sure. Even the most learned Muftis are not aware as I have discussed many issues with them including the 3 or 2 daughters. Most of them go only for literary meaning and do not ponder over it.
Mohtrama’s statement, ” every child is planned ” takes effect as per order of the Final Messenger (pbuh). In other words ‘Family Planning’ but not for numbers.
Some learned friends may quote the Qura’n,
“To Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He bestows female (offspring) upon whom He wills, and bestows male (offspring) upon whom He wills. Or He bestows both males and females, and He renders barren who He wills. Verily, He is the All-Knower and is Able to do all things.” (Ash-Shura 42:49-50)
To him / her, I say you are absolutely correct. It is none but ALLAH WHO decides the gender of a child and then I will quote a Hadith,
“One day Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it and he asked the Bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?” The Bedouin answered, “I put my trust in Allah.” The Prophet then said, “Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah” (At-Tirmidhi).
“And that man can have nothing but what he strives for.” Surat an-Najm 53:39
So in other words I am appreciating Mohtrama Benazir statement by quoting what I like best i.e Qura’n and Hadiths.
3) “I dream of a millennium of tolerance and pluralism, in which people respect other people, nations respect other nations, and religions respect other religions. That is the third millennium I see for my country and all of yours.”
“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)”. 49:13
So the sweet lady has unconsciously quoted the above verse. But sadly the Satanic Elite Cabal has gone INSANE.
Assalamu-Elekum
search yahoo india, you will see Indian sentiments is much more intense than pakis on kashmir.
The actual speech Zardari should have made :
Bismilla hirrahmaan irrahim –
First of all I would like to condemn the barbarism of the Muslims the world over just because of a 15 minute movie. When I see Resident Evil I wonder if it can come true in real life. But watching the Muslims with their frequent outbreak of violence on a global scale at the slightest provocation, it is like watching a real life zombie movie.
The movie on Mohammad is made a Coptic Christian, who have been marginalized by the Muslims in Egypt. But of course fellow Muslims are too blind to realize this fact. Muslims continue to blame the US even if they had nothing to do with the making of the movie and not bother about the Coptic Christians.
Pakistan is filled with terror, especially minorities. Even a minister of non Muslim faith like Bhatti was killed, what more ordinary civilians ? I prefer not to take the name of Asia Bibi for fear of shoes being thrown at me and my god, for being so cruel and heartless.
Although I bear a personal scar as my wife Benazir was killed,but till today I ve not been able to find out who killed my wife, much less bring them to justice. Which shows how pathetic my country is.
For many years red carpet was rolled out on Pakistani dictators. As always I blame other people for the dictatorship of our country, not ourselves. While some people continue to believe P
How much suffering Pakistan must endure ? Pakistan wants to be happy, but it still wants to make fights with our neighbours as well.
We have established a National Commission on Women and a National Commission on Human Rights..but please don’t tell Asia Bibi, she doesn’t know it.
I bring the Kashmir issue on the table even though I know no one is bothered about it anymore. Which also shows that other issues like Junagadh is not an issue anymore. But who is to tell few crazies like Rupee News ppl who still think Junagadh should belong to Pakistan ?
This will be the first civilian government in Pakistan’s sixty-six year history to complete its full, five year term, Insha Allah, ooops I mean to say Insha Pak Military !
We have restored the 1973 concensus. Let us hope the next dictator doesn’t shelve it again.
The National Assembly has enacted wide ranging social reforms…but that idiot Chaudry keeps changing my PM more than he changes undies .
The heroin industry is eroding the social fabric of our societies. So much for calling our country “land of the pure” the Muslims here are addicts of drugs just like in Western nations, but they grow beard and pretend to be religious !
Pakistan does not blame others for the challenges it faces….. I was trying to make a joke here, ladies and gentlemen.
We fully blame India, Israel and US for all our troubles !!
Regional cooperation and connectivity will bring us closer and bind us together. That is why we cooperate with the regional bully, China to irritate India.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen, and may peace be upon you, and your countries, and the people….but not the people who made the movie, I wish they and their families be burnt alive !!!
Pakistan Zindabad, I have to say this even though I doubt for how long.
@ Sneha Gulal
Very funny and humorous speech mutilation and alteration indeed. You guys are expert in alteration, mutilation and adulteration.
Was it not your great great great parents who altered, mutilated, adulterated the pure Santana Dharma and added nonsensical fairy tales of Alice in La La land?
Did they have a help from progeny of Sarah and created class system?
Did they (progeny of Sarah) not messed up progeny of Hajun (you, your parents and other Hindus) so as to claim superiority?
I very much doubt you would understand what I wrote.
Any way, well done with your Mutilation, Alteration and Adulteration job.
@Waqqas : its bad enough you speak rubbish, you speak them in riddles!and expect me to understand. What has Sarah got to do with us ? And who is Hajun ? You Muslims go around declaring that our scriptures are not pure..what is the pure version of our Hindu scriptures then ? Islam declares that there are 124.000 prophets sent, but can’t declare EVEN ONE PROPHET outside the Middle East. What idiots you people are. What are trying to tell me about Abraham? Pls do not mention to me such nonsense. I am not interested in your “god” who can’t be seen yet can get involved in the affairs of Sarah and Hagar, just like Ekta Kapoor gets involved in her soap opera dramas. Please keep such “god” to yourself.
@ Sneha Gulal: You added the rubbish on Zardari’s speech Mr. garbage man. As most of you Hindus spout garbage in all sphere.
I knew you would not know who ‘Hajun’ is. You are not alone as some Muslims even do not know about Lady Hajun.
Abraham had 4 wives and not 2 as believed by majority.
Sarah, Hagar, Ketura and Hajun.
2) Hagar bore Abraham the first son named Ishmael (Ismail)
1) Sarah, 13 years later bore Abraham son named Isac (Ishaq).
3) Ketura bore Abraham 6 sons namely: Zimran, Joksham, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.
4) Hajun bore Abraham 5 sons namely: Kaisan, Suraj, Umaim, Lotan and Nafis (Nafees).
Does the names of Hajun sons sound familiar?
Yes! Indeed. These are the sons that migrated towards the sub-continent with pure monotheist belief to preach.
After the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD the children of Isac, son of Sarah (Sarasvati Mata) migrated around the Globe including the Sub-Continent. The most rebellious and notorious among them were the tribe of Judah. Judah was the son of Jacob, son of Isac, son of Abraham through Sarah (Sarasvati Mata).
They messed up the children of Hajunvati Mata and adulterated the monotheist belief of Pure Santana Dharma and created caste system to the advantage of Brahmin (the so called priestly class as Abraham was himself a Brahmin but hated the ideology of other Brahmin hence moved to Babylon).
Other reason of Abraham moving to Babylon as per some tradition was the constant floods in the sub-continent.
The Hindus call a pen as Sarasvati Mata. Why may I ask?
They should call it as Hajunvati mata as they are the children of Hajun.
I know why, but I will give you a chance to guess.
What I write, that you call rubbish, is after extensive research and readings.
What you write is due to ignorance therefore it is rubbish or Garbage.
I would let the readers judge. Am I writing rubbish or is it Sneha Gulal writing Rubbish.
Have a Rubbish delusional day.
I am amazed. You actually believe the rubbish you wrote as fact !
Am also amazed that you Muslims pay so much attention on other faiths when so much is going on in Islam. The issue of who is the first Rashidun till date is not resolved between the Sunnis and Shiahs, the issue of who is the final messenger is not resolved with Ahmadiyahs coming up and now the Walhabis are busy making toilets on top of graves and houses that belonged to your prophet and his family ( how I wish I could use one of those toilets ! ) But if you are interested in our faith then I shall entertain you.
1. I don’t know who Hajun is. Why does the Torah not mention the other 2 wives of Abraham ? You mentioned that even Muslims do not know her as well. Which makes it all the more unauthentic, as just like you put it ..la la land stories.
2. If Sarah’s son migrated to India on 70AD, then the migration of Hajun’s children should be shortly before that. Hajun’s children taught us monotheism. But Vedas have monotheistic teachings.
The Vedas that mentions “God is One, His Names are many” predates long before 70 AD, thousands of years before according to science. How is that possible ?
3. Allah had sent 124.000 prophets to teach about the Formlessness of God. Not only you have no idea who those prophets are, but how did all them fail in their “formless god” teachings so miserably ? Not even one faith practices their so called teachings! Religions of Persia, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, South America, Africa, India, China, Indonesia, the Pacific Island nations, Japan all these places where a system of religion grew all attached image of their god. Even majority of Christians today attach image of the “white bearded man” as Father and Jesus as son, both are worshipped as God in their images.
The Jews have stories about Abraham having lunch with god or another case seeing the back of god ! Hence no religion in the world today which is free from images of their god. Bad job Allah and his 124.000 prophets did, didn’t they ?
4. Kindly tell me which verse of the Quran says Allah is formless ?
5. You still haven’t answered me what is the pure Sanathana teachings ?
6. There is no record of Hajunvati in our scriptures. Mata Saraswati is mentioned in the Vedas, predates Sarah’s lifetime. Hence there is no connection between both. If you have credible proof of Hajunvati and “Sarahswati” please mention it otherwise I will call you a liar from nowonwards.
7. The names of Hajun’s sons are not familiar. I told you before not to speak in riddles.
I have answered all your points. Now is your turn to answer mine.
Sneha/Raj,
You out do yourself with every post;
About as tolerable as any Hindu filthy bihari or Sikh Indian occupying soldier in Kashmir.
Your words are expected, your hate is expected, your tone is as ever a reflection of the true face of The Hindu.
The Hindu a confused zealot with an ever increasing inferiority complex. An insensitive, back biting, back stabbing, horrid person that ignores the real brutalities in his own lands before his eyes, ignores his / her support for genocide in OCCUPIED Kashmir but has the gaule to declare a futile mythology as being a religion.
What can you expect from a person/person whose beleif system is that of a Lingham and for those non Indians a Lingham is the Indian word for a Penis. Yes they do have a belief system around a penis.
What to expect from those who like crazed adherents prophess to the existence of a semi man, semi elephant God, or a half monkey half man God, a Rat for a God, a 6 armed obece blue coloured goddess and her sister in black with a black tongue… the list goes on.
From a people who would mistreat their fellow man of bone, flesh and blood hold him to bondage because of their inherent inferiority complex calling them low castes, inferior class but would raze a village tot he ground should anyone eat a cow.
You people are a joke and we really need little educating from you.
>>first Rashidun
LOL! You are so very confused, that you don’t even know the issues.
90% of MUslims are Sunnis and 10% are Shia.
The rest of the stuff is all made up. There is no sect called “Wahabbi”. Its something made up to malign
The Hindus call a pen as Sarasvati Mata. Why may I ask?
The Hurasvati was a river in Iran and still is. The origins of the term “Hurasvati” are from “Surasvati”
@ Sneha Gulal
What I wrote is a piece of History. Whether you like it or not is not my concern.
Khulafai Rashidun is non issue as reiterated by Akhbar Navees.
Ahmadia is British (fraudulent tribes of Judah) invention to create Fitna and ensure intelligence input. They have been labelled as Kafirs by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangla Desh and South Africa.
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things”. 33:40
The above verse of Qura’n states that Muhammad is The Seal of Prophets. That means no more Messengers or Prophets after him. Since Ahmedia of Qadiani group consider Mirza Ghulam M. Qadian as Prophet therefore they are non-believers. Lahori group do not consider Mirza Ghulam M. Qadian as prophet.
Wahabism is also a invention by British (fraudulent tribes of Judah) to present Islam as extreme religion. There is no where in Qura’n or Hadiths that encourages beheading. Islam gives man and woman equal rights. Al-Saud is in violation of Human Rights.
Their conversion of residence of Lady Khadija into toilet was due to necessity of space during Hajj. Your are most welcome to use it if you can get a visa to enter Mecca or Medina.
Do also make enough Toilets within your mother country as 70% of poor Hindus use streets and railroads to defecate.
There are no Toilets on the graves of Prophet or the Sahabas. The Final Messenger is buried in Masjid-e-Nabavi and Sahabas in near by grave yard known as Jannat-e-Baqi. I had the pleasure of visiting these sites 7 times during Hajj.
1) Ketura and Hajun is mentioned in Old Testament. Where did you think I got the names from?
2) Hajun children did migrate to subcontinent long before some tribes of Israel (Jacob). Pashtun or Pakhtuns or Khans are among those who migrated towards Afghanistan and Subcontinent and are known to be from Sarah but now Muslims. Two grandchildren of Jacob (Israel) was called Pithon (Pathan) and Afghana (Afghanistan is named after him). Abraham took an oath from each of his children that they would worship only ONE GOD and preach the same.
3) You are getting confuse between GOD and prophets. Prophets are men like me and you but exalted in their piety. The different nations that you mention worshiping images are the result of Iblis or Satan encouraging them to worship images and not ONE UNSEEN GOD.
The Hindu Pundits and Scholars agree that Vedas and other Hindu scriptures prohibit idol worship, but initially because the mind may not be mature, an idol is required for concentration while worshipping. After the mind reaches higher consciousness, the idol is not required for concentration.
Muslims have reached the higher level of consciousness. If an idol is required for concentration only in the initial stages and not later on when the mind reaches higher consciousness then I would like to say the Muslims have already reached the state of higher consciousness because when we worship Allah (swt) we do not require any idol or statue.
I had already posted the underneath verses before but it seems that you have forgotten:
“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]
Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) Chapter 112 of Qura’n.
The above three verses from your scriptures are identical to chapter 112 of Qura’n.
The following verse states clearly that GOD is formless:
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]
Your own religion is saying that HE is body-less and pure. You have problem understanding your own scriptures.
The Christians are misled by their concoct-er namely Paul. He mixed ancient Egyptian mystery Pagan religion with some verses of Torah and created a new religion known as Christianity. The Pyramid Text tells us about Osiris who was born on 25th of Dec through virgin birth. He became teacher at the age of 12 and started his ministry at 30. He was a kind preacher and a king. He walked on water and turned water into wine. He healed sick, leaper and blind. He fed thousands of people with few loaf of bread. He was killed and buried. He arose after 3 days and his return is expected. They say he died for the sins of mankind. Who so ever believe in him will have salvation. He was known as son of god and as god in flesh by some.
Tertullian, a pagan Egyptian Monk that had believed in Osiris and his wife Isis saw the Pauline Christianity identical to his belief, thereby endorsed it. Emperor Constantine was sought for murder of his son and wife. He approached the Unitarian Church for guidance and help. The Unitarian Church decline to help him since he was a murderer. Constantine went to Trinitarian (Pauline Church) for help. Trintarian Church saw an advantage in forgiving him through confession. Trinitarian and Constantine shook hand and got the Empire back. Thenceforward Emperor Constantine made this concocted Bible the Canon and Murdered all the Unitarians. The Unitarians believed in Jesus as a prophet and not son of God or God Himself.
They worshiped GOD ALONE as Jesus, Moses, Abraham did.
So Christianity is as Pagan religion as Hinduism is today. Their worship of Jesus as son of God or God will take them to Hellfire.
“One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! We made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term? which Thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein forever except as Allah willeth.” For thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. (128) Surah An-Nam
The assembly of Jinns here refer to follower of Satan who himself is a Jinn of Ifreet kind. They are accused of misleading the Humankind in worship of Idols, Images, animals, hero s, material, money or self.
GOD DID NOT have Lunch with Abraham. GOD do not eat or drink.
When Arch Angel Gabriel came to visit Abraham with news of birth of Isac and to inform the destruction of Sodom City and Gomorrah, Abraham offered Angel Gabriel and his colleague meat, not knowing they were the Arch Angels. The Angels identified themselves and declined to eat. As the Angels do not eat.
On your previous query you had asked me to name one Prophet outside of Middle East. I shall name you two.
Moses (pbuh) was born in Egypt (Africa) and Dhul Kifl (pbuh) born in Sub-Continent. As per many Muslim Scholars, Dhul Kifl is none other than Buddha.
4) I have quoted you your own verse of GOD being formless.
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]
Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) Chapter 112 of Qura’n.
“And there is none comparable unto him”
Every thing that HE created has a form. And HE is not comparable to any of them.
5) ALLAH / GOD has sent only one religion. That is, “thou shall worship HIM ALONE”
All the Messengers, Prophets, Rishis gave the same message. Santana Dharma gave the same message. Take out the fairy tales from Santana Dharma, Bible and you have pure Dharma as instructed by Qura’n.
6) The deletion of Hajun is understandable as the Tribe of Judah wants Sarah’s progeny to be superior. The so called self concocted superior race aka God’s chosen people call HIM as GOD of Israel. While Muslim call HIM GOD of AL ALA MEEN. Or in other words GOD of every human being HE created and animals, birds, fishes, Jinns, Angels and whatever we see or fail to see. In another term HE is RABB of Universe and not just Israel. Hajun and Ketura is mentioned in Torah if you can find one.
7) Names like Suraj, Lotan or Nafis is typical subcontinent names and not Hebrew or Arabic. Suraj is Shams in Arabic, therefore the names identify with Subcontinent.
I hope you get something to ponder for your own sake and may ALLAH help you.
Assalamu-Elekum
Surasvati/hurasvati:
S/h switch was normal west/east of Sanda( brushashki word for any river ala chinese GANGA=river).Sanda became Sinda in skt while west of the river in BACTRIANA/ELAMITE persia( 3000BC-100BC)it was called hinda/inda ( spelled out in my book under dravidian/elamite). Su ( sweet in sumerian) ras/rasu ( narative or text in dravidian eg prithvi raj rasu), vati a suffix for female;sso u have it,sa ras vati means swaeet writing ?.
In hindu myth writing is attributed to ‘ ganeshji’ who had pulled one tusk and initiated writing ( see my writing chapter #16). Egyptian thought that their God ‘THOTH’ initiated writing.
Sarasvati mata, linked to writing is new to me;will love to have ref. thanks
SARASWATI, also a goddess of education:,
Sarawati, is a invisible river-goddess,part of ‘sapat sindu’ or ‘seven rivers’ of Rigveda. Also she is assumed as ‘goddess of education’; As a vedic muslim, i even had recieved her ‘ blessings/prasad’ at the puja during spring time, very timely before april exams–in med school; students would do any thing that works including, puja and cheating, duwa-taweeez,holy word/water etc. They all seem to work very well anyway.
As said GODDESS worships is rooted in Hunting gathering phase of man ‘prefarming stone age’( > 12000 yrs BC).It has stuck out in india which truely represents a ” MUSEUM” of human ideas from stone to modern age–but all IMPORTED from mideast/africa. HINDUS and HINDUISM are india’s oldest imports. BUT hindus claime to be ” mother of all civilizations” and rest of humans went out from india and created regional centers, jewish, chinese, islamic, mayan etc. A parallel belief is ” BIBLICAL” creationism judeo centric in m ideast. BOTH are DEAD WRONG as is well established.
Dr Abdul jamil khan
Thanks for unknowingly affirming my position. Why I say this let me explain.
Ishmael was known as Haleem. Which means kind, soft or compassionate.
On the other hand Isac was known as Aleem. That means a person with KNOWLEDGE or EDUCATION. Sarah been the mother of Isac was reason by the racist God’s chosen people to exalt Sarah over other wives. Ridiculing their children. This happened when Judah challenged the superiority of Ismail as the first son, where by the first son gets all the inheritance of the father, namely Abraham, while rest of the sons gets father’s tent. Meaning they would be wanderers.
True to the LAW of Abraham, Jews has been in Diaspora as ordained by ALLAH.
Thus to exalt the progeny of Sarah over Hagar, they re-wrote the Torah, by placing Isac as a sacrificial son instead of Ismail.
This is the context that you wrote
“SARASWATI, also a goddess of education”.
And that is the question I posed earlier to Gulal: why do you call pen as Saraswati Mata though they have no connection with Sarah?
This is a proof of tribes of Judah messing up the tribes of Hajun by imposing their preconceived but hokus pokus belief down their throat.
I rest my case.
Assalamu-Elekum
@Waqqas : what you wrote was “deleted” history of Judaism. Proof to me a source from my religion or even yours to prove the so called migration.
Am not confused between god and prophets. Allah had sent 124.000 prophets teaching not to attach any image of God and all of them failed ! Read again my post properly. There is a verse in Quran 17:88 in which Allah challenges to man and satan ( as though man and satan are allies !) “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.”
That challenge was met and won by Satan. Not only he influenced Mohammad to utter the satanic verses, but you yourself admit that all world religions who worship images are influenced by Satan. And we can see in the past and even till date all world religions have images of their God. One Satan defeated all Allah’s 124.000 prophets. How about that ?
Hinduism :
1.Zakir Naik and many idiots have quoted one liner from our scriptures whereas its important to quote all the 4 lines for proper understanding.
The full verse of Na Tasya Pratima Asti is
Yajur veda 32:3
na tasya pratima asti yasya nama mahadyasha
Hiranyagarbha ithyesha ma ma hingseethithyesha yasmanna jatha ithyesha
O God Your mightines , supremeness is the top, You are unmeasurable, only You knows Your true form, You created the things like sun, the God who is not born from anything is worshipable, let Him not hurt us
Even standard translations like Griffith mentions ” there is no counterpart of Him”.
There is no mention of idols or images here.
This shows the lies Muslims try to put which of course will not work.
Similarly all your other quotes are one liners which give different meaning.
2. There is no verse in the Hindu scriptures that forbids murti puja.
3. In fact the Gita chapter 12 verse 5 speaks about the benefits of worshiping God in a Form instead of Formless.
“For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progress in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.”
So here it is clear. God can be worshiped with Form or as Formless. That’s why we refer to God as Saguna and Nirguna Bhagvan.
4.Many schools who practise meditation often require a Murti as object to meditate and as they advance, they meditate on the Formless God and do not require a Murti anymore. This is true for the meditators only, not for all Hindus. Idiot Naik picked this one up and used it to insult Hindus, saying that it is less advanced than Islam, which you have repeated like a parrot. ( In case you decide to tell me you didn’t get it from Naik, pls mention me your source and I will gladly trace your source back to Naik)
5.God being Formless takes a Form for the welfare of mankind.
Gita 4.7 Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself.
Christianity : so you consider Christianity as pagan. That’s your opinion. Quran calls them “people of the book”.Muslims believe Trinity doesn’t exist in the Bible nor do you believe in the divinity of Jesus. This verse proves you and Quran wrong.
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
I can quote you many more, but this verse serve both the divinity of Jesus and the existence of the trinity.
Judaism:
1. Lunch with god : Genesis 18 clearly mentions Abraham having a dialogue with the so called Lord along with 2 other men.
The word “the Lord”is repeated many times. The three men then went to Sodom.
In Genesis 19 mentions only 2 angels reaching the city. Either the writer of the Torah doesn’t know how count upto 3 or it was god who appeared in front of Abraham and then dissapeared after that ?
2.Still think that your god is formless ? Care to explain this verse then ?
Exodus 33: 21-23 : And the Lord said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, and while my glory passes by I will put you in the left of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen.”
3. Moses : You are very well aware that Moses is considered a Semitic/ Mid East prophet. as even though born in Egypt, he taught in Mid East and did not influence Africa.
4. Many verses mention Abraham having 2 wives, but there is a mention of the 3rd. But no verses mention the 4th, Hajun as wife. Kindly mention any Torah verses that mentions the 4th wife Hajun.
5. I didn’t ask the connection between the two rivers. I asked for proof connecting Sarah with mata Saraswati. I asked the proof of migration of their children to India. I asked the logic of them travelling to India just to teach about One God, whereas its already mentioned in the Vedas long time before their so called migration. Mention from your scripture or mine, otherwise be called a liar.
Buddhism : oh joy, you have accepted Buddha as a prophet. Do you believe in Lord Buddha’s core teachings such as reincarnation ? Karma ? Now you ll tell me that’s the corrupted version. Yes Lord Buddha did salat, and fasted during Ramadhan LOL. Please don’t make a joke of yourself. Proof the connection between this highly advanced Buddhist faith with your Islam if you can. Moses is not a prophet outside Mid East and you haven’t proved Lord Buddha as a prophet of Islam, hence my question still stands : Name one prophet outside Mid East region out of the 124.000 “missing”prophets.
Islam :
From your replies , I can conclude yours is a strange faith. Let me tell you why.
1. Foreigners can come and create new sects in your faith like Walhabis and they can destroy graves as they please. Didn’t the destruction the grave of Mohammad’s mother create an uproar ? But what could you do ? And whatever happened to poor Fatima’s grave ? Are you Muslims so weak that a British created organization, the Wallabis can do so much havoc right in the heart of Islam ?
2. You label the Ahmadiyahs as kafirs even though they profess in their belief in Allah, just because they do not accept Muhammad as final prophet. Does the belief in Mohammad as a final prophet more important than belief in Allah as god ? The Ahmadiyahs are recognized by many more governments than the ones who reject them. You Muslims will have to contend yourselves being called Mohammedans to distingush from Ahamdiyahs.
3. What Navees tries to tell me Shiahs are only 10% hence their view of the Rashidun is not relevant and Sunni view has to be accepted. That is not an intelligent answer. The Shiahs are more than 10%. It doesn’t matter their percentage, 10 % is a lot. They are real, they exist and are getting stronger. They forever reject the first 3 Rashiduns, and this has caused endless conflicts till date. Just like the Sunnis caused the door to fall on poor Fatima, soon a nuclear bomb from the Shiah state of Iran will fall on all of you. It is this fact that is scaring your fat Sunni imams in Riyadh.
4. Getting to the point, Am still waiting for a verse in Quran that says Allah is formless. I presume there is none, then how can you go around telling people of other faiths that about your formless god ? What liars you are.
5.Is Allah formless ? There are many Muslims who say he is not. We know that he has a voice which means he has voice cord. He sits on a throne which means he a butt to sit on. 38:75 mentions he has hands.
And he ll make his grand entrance on the last judgement day for everyone to see him. 75:23-25 Looking at their Lord. And (some) faces, that Day, will be contorted, expecting that there will be done to them (something) backbreaking.
Dear Waqqas sahab,
I admire your scholarship as well as ‘firm faith’ in mythical history, fabricated by biblical geneticists, aryan,semitic.hametic race creationists. All this is pure myth/fiction and faith and NO HISTORY.Another no less fascinating parallel is ” hinduic race creationism”; both have a preveleged ” super class/race”, the famous, GOD chosen, Brahmin and semitic jew.
MY islamic faith, excludes all this myths; GOD had sent Mohammed a historical person- the last prophet with a mission to eliminate,1) biblical racism,2)astro-priescraft,3)subverted ( by jew/brahmin) humanright/dignity.THIS is pristine islam that i talk abt off and on.
There were many historical champions/personalities before Mohammad as well and Qoran alludes to them not by names; SARGON, HAMURABI, to name a few. Bible has no idea abt them. AS to honored/revered names, MOSES, DAVID, ABRAHAM,etc–there is ZERO history–they are myths QORAN mention them in its commentary to make us better persons as ALLEGORIES; Same as we teach our childern with animal fables.
For me a student of ” recorded history” the story of”ISHMEAL” is another jewish racism fiction. YOUR faith in them is respectable.Please pray for me;thanks.
Dear Waqqas sahab,
Haleem, does not mean ‘soft person’. In ancient arabic/aramaic ( see aramaic dict)it means- move/sqeez–hilana( urdu). Other derivatives eg hilo,halawa, halwai are rooted with this verb– later to mean’milk’. From milk later halwa( made from milk) etc came forth.Halwa didnot mean sweet. The word for milk is a ‘labon’–meaning white. it is from alb/alp–albany,labnon, albanism ( a disease with white shin) etc.
Milk is also from a verb–meaning squeez; meant to squuez the cow. All these names were part of vulgar literal ancient languages which biblical editors borrowed. BUT sense/meanings gets altered with time–language remains a secular utility like heat, transport etc. I will again invite you to scan my book. YOU seem to be profound reader and knowlege enthusiast. I will benfir from your reading. Please look at amazon.com.Will appreciate.
Dr. Jamil,
Halim or Haleem means, soft, gentle, patient when referring to an individua;ls charaveristics it means very patient, gentle, soft hearted, mild-hearted and also compassionate, loving, caring.
Therefore Waqas jee is absolutely correct.
apologies I meant to write refering to a person/s characteristics;….
Dear Haq sahab, My apologies to u and Waqqas sahab;’ age advantage’.Was confused with ‘halaw’–meanibg milk in araimic. Thanks; i was going to write a follow up. Thanks again, be well.
Sneha Gulal:
You defeated yourself by quoting the following
“O God Your mightines , supremeness is the top, You are unmeasurable, only You knows Your true form, You created the things like sun, the God who is not born from anything is worshipable, let Him not hurt us.
That is our position. HE is unmeasurable and only HE knows HIS true FORM.
Having hands and speech is merely figure of speech. HE just has to BE and it is.
Worshiping murti or idol do not represent HIS true FORM. Therefore I am in agreement with the verse quoted.
Your para 2, 3, 4, 5 contradicts the verse you mentioned, that I am agreement with.
Buddha did not teach re-incarnation period but resurrection for all the Humans and Jinns for Judgement. Its interpolation. Just as you interpolated Zardari’s speach.
Buddha prophesied the coming of Maha Buddha (Muhammad pbuh) and to be followed.
Egypt is in Africa and Middle East in Asia. Go back to School and learn geography.
To learn about migration do your own research on migration around the globe by different tribes and the reason they migrated. Most of monotheist faithful migrated to teach ONENESS of GOD. That you already quoted above. Same reason Abraham kept on migrating to bring people in Monotheist fold.
The test still stands. Produce a chapter like it. Or a Verse like it. There no Satanic verses in Qura’n. This subject has been dealt with by Abdallah Jan previously under article by Akhbar Navees titled Al-Lat, Al-Manat and Al-Uzza in response to one of your Hindu ignorant colleague, who did paste job from Christian web site and was very exited as if he finally cornered the Muslims.
Your next three para are Garbage.
You have already quoted your own verse from your own scripture stating HE is unmeasurable and only HE knows HIS true FORM. Not any of Humans or Jinns. Ive already quoted you similar verse from Qura’n and am not compel to tame a bull with a flute.
Sitting on a Throne is figure of speech. No one will be able to see HIM even on the day of Judgement. Especially the Idol worshipers and the rebellious.
Those who are granted Paradise will be able to see HIM and will pass out for Centuries due to HIS NOOR.
To find out about Hajun. Do your own research. Let me give you a hint. Look out for ‘Stories of Prophets’ by Ibn Kathir.
Bible has mere 5% of verses that may be attributed to as words of GOD. The rest is Garbage.
Talmud is 100% Garbage, invented under captivity in Babylon.
Assalamu-Elekum
Dr. Abdul Jamil Khan
I am no scholar. I am the least learned person in this club of 10 Million (as per Akhbar Navees of 10 million readership).
Though brought up in English surroundings in Karachi (my Parents are Kashmiris) some how I manage to read an urdu book, ‘aur talwar toot gai’ about the Bengali Hero Nawab Sirajudaulla. That made me make me a u-turn.
From thenceforward I have not stop reading on any thing I lay my hand on.
I figured out the that most evil people on the face of the Planet are the British. Yet there are some good ones among them too. Like George Galloway.
I am skeptical of what ever I read and am not a ‘firm believer in myth’.
I ridicule myths. I have learnt through personal experience that Qura’n is 100% revealed message to Final Messenger (pbuh).
There is not a Hadith that I have not gone through except that which are buried in Timbaktu and Ankara.
Bible is a concoction of Saul of Tarsus aka St. Paul. This the worst document ever produced by an angry looser who lost his love Popeya to Emperor Nero, though she was promised to him.
Paul was expert in all the mythical figures of Africa, Middle east, Europe and sub-continent. He mixed all these myths with already adulterated Torah and came up with something opposite to what Abraham, Moses and Jesus preached.
His idea was to put Rome against the Hebrews that call themselves Jews. That he did. So Paul is the first ever, the so called Anti-Semite which the Jews are so ever ready to use to shut up an argument.
The only difference between You and I, is, that you call Abraham, Ishmael, Isac, Jacob and the Asbaat, Moses and Jesus as Myth. If one is to take Qura’n as 100% word of ALLAH, then calling these noble Prophets as myth is unwarranted.
Other than that we are on the same page, even to the extent, as is your dream, to have peace with neighbors.
Unfortunately, as the events tell us and as per Hadiths, its not going to happen.
Assalamu-Elekum
Qibla waqqas sahab,
I notice u to be a voracious reader and writer;that defines a ‘scholar’ plus spreading knowlege makes u a teacher as well.
Yes , i notice the difference between u and me; some of my closest buudies, also of your class some how tolerate me.
Will love to see Abraham’s 4th wife and progenies from Ibn kathir. U may be aware of Abdul Qasim Farishta,a moghal period historian who names 4 kids of biblical Ham, namely hind,sind,marhatt, gujrat linked to those linguistic groups. Is it from ibn Kathir? If u can send me the page# that will help.
I respect your 100% faith in those qoranic personalities.
As for peace in south asia, i remain optimistic as money/trade/politics are clsely liked to history; Pakistan’s location is that of ancient elamitic iran, later iran, sessanid iran, muslim iran, ghaznavi/ghouri period—all controlliong the tradeways of south asia. Just think why moghals slowly declined after Humanyun, refused to hand over ‘Kandhar’ to iran as guid pro quo. Iran had increased the trasit taxes, blocking exports and iran was the worst enemy therafter. Poor aurangzeb, was under sanction that ultimately ended in NADIR Shah’s invasion/plunder.
SO pakistan’s location is bound to force india to change- and it will –we all love money. India by itself will never dream to attack or divide pakistan. India, cannot afford to manage the blast and outcome.
@Waqqas :
Buddhism : why do you have to argue about Buddhist religion when you don’t know anything about this great religion ? Buddhist is a very advanced faith, it is not something semitic religions can follow. You say there is no reincarnation in Buddhism and Buddhist believe in judgement day. Here is the proof the lies your mullahs are feeding you is wrong and shows your inability to understand this great faith.
“There is no almighty God in Buddhism. There is no one to hand out rewards or punishments on a supposedly Judgement Day”
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/snapshot01.htm
“The concept of reincarnation is slightly different in Buddhism than Hindusim. They prefer to call it re-birth.”
http://www.buddha101.com/p_nirvana.htm
Hinduism :
There is nothing of a defeat for me. The verses seem contradictory to you not to me. God is Formless yet He can take a form for His children. Its that simple. The Vedas state God to be subtle, which means not only He does not have a form, but also He has no voice, no sensation, no taste and no smell. Hence for humans to understand Him, see Him, hear Him, feel Him, He takes a form. If you tell me god doesn’t have a form yet has a voice, that I am not in agreement with.
Judaism :
Re Moses :this is not about geography, its about a prophet called Moses. Moses received revelations and taught Judaism and influenced the Middle East. If you consider him a prophet of Africa, then it is you who should go back to your madrasah and re learn about your own prophets. Even the Torah considers him prophet of Israel.
Deutronomy 34:10 “ Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face”
Dul Kifl was a prophet of Iraq, not accepted by many Muslims, and very little is known about him. Even Ibn Khatir mentions only a page about him. With so little facts people like you can make him to be Lord Buddha or even a rocket scientist for that matter.
Hence my question still stands : name one prophet outside Mid East from 124.000 prophets.
Re Hajun : Hajun is not mentioned in the Torah, you yourself admit few Muslims know her. Hence it is a figment of imagination of few Muslims and now you expect me she and her sons changed the course of our great nation ?
Re : Ibn Khatir : I told you before don’t speak riddles, and now you are dropping me clues. I always consider people who don’t speak in a straightforward manner are either foolish or trying not to reveal something. Why don’t you tell me the story of which prophet describes the so called migration ? The prophets described in the “stories of prophets” by Ibn Kathir are not all prophets accepted by Islam. Are you sure that’s the book you are recommending ?
Re : al uzat : I had visited the Rupee News site you mentioned me. That article focuses mainly on the possiblity of Hubal and Allah being the same. Does not say much on Allah’s daughters and does not mention at all about Gharanic verses, which I am discussing with you. Your own scholars agree the Gharanic verses were uttered by your prophet Mohammad under the influence of Satan which means Satan has won the challenge. And my second point which I have stated again which you have been trying to ignore is that today majority of world religions pray to images of their God which again proves tha failure of 124.000 “prophets”.
You said Talmund is 100% garbage. I asked you regarding Torah, not Talmund. Read properly.
If you say Bible is 95% garbage, then what is the true Bible ? Its really a wonder that in the present day, Satan has corrupted the Bible, the Torah, Talmund and influenced all world religions not to worship the formless god. Looking at your arguements, I would say Satan has won. Waqqas, you might want to change your way of thinking. You have indirectly proven that Satan is all powerful.
Namaste.
Sneha Gulal
ALLAH can not reveal different set of beliefs to different tribes or nations. HE revealed ONE religion ONLY. Belief in ONE GOD period. HE DID NOT advocated 2 or 3 or 330 million gods.
None of the aforesaid prophets asked the followers to name its religion on messenger’s name.
Thus Buddhist, Judaism, Christianity are concocted names. Moses was not a Jew, neither did he asked for it to be named as Judaism. Judah was one of the son of Jacob (Israel). Those who follow him are called Jews, thus Judaist. There are yet another 11 tribes of Jacob (Israel) that are dispersed around the Globe and in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir that are now Muslims.
Moses (pbuh) was a Hebrew and not a Jew. A Hebrew can have any of the religion (concocted) including Judaism.
Like wise Jesus (pbuh) was not a Jew but a Nazerene (Hebrew) and never did he asked the followers (helpers / nasara) that he is bringing a new religion (Christianity).
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Math 5:17
The above verse of the Bible is altered. As is the habits of evil people. Changing, deleting, adding some words to steer people into falsehood. The correct verse Mathew 5:17 is >
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose” New Living Translation.
Jesus on whom be peace is affirming as per both the above translation that he came to Follow the Law of Moses (pbuh) and not to break it.
“Law of Moses (pbuh) and writings of the prophets”
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Israel means tribes of Jacob and not a Territory.
If Jesus says He did not come to break the LAW of Moses (pbuh) and the writing of the Prophets but to FOLLOW it. Where did the Trinity come from?
“Writing of the prophets”
Includes all the previous Prophets that ALLAH sent to different Tribes and Nations includes Buddha and and the Vedic (Hindu) Prophets or Rishis.
Muslims believes on all these Prophets and ALLAH called the DEEN as ISLAM.
“This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin – then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful” Surah Al-Ma’idah verse 3.
“You” here means all Humans and Jinn.
Any verses that affirms and praise ONE GOD is true, contrary to it is GARBAGE.
Jews DO NOT FOLLOW Torah. They follow Talmud. The Ten Commandments ordered by ALLAH is not followed by Jews.
Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud Where a Jew Should Do Evil
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting GOD.
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile (non-Jews) must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is to be in full.
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile (“heathen”) it does not have to be returned.
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.”
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates GOD and defeats HIM. GOD admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: “Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.”
What Jewish Scholars Are Saying:
Rabbi Meir Kahane, told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are “dogs” is derived “from the Talmud.” (CBS 60 Minutes, “Kahane”).
University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein’s philosophy: “They believe it’s God’s will that they commit violence against goyim,” a Hebrew term for non-Jews. (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, “We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing.” (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
ENTER THE US GOVERNMENT.
U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts: “Our” government under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton, has provided, under the euphemism of education (for example, House Joint Resolution 173 and Public Law 102-14), a groundwork for the establishment of Talmudic “courts of justice” to be administered by disciples of Shneur Zalman’s Chabad successor, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
For more information regarding any of the above (from where much of this information was obtained) see: http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html
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“The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew.” Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
“Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form.” Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
“A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.” Coschen hamischpat 405
“The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs.” Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
“Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.” Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
“If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.” Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
“If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: “God will replace ‘your loss’, just as if one of his oxen or asses had died”.” Jore dea 377, 1
“Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals.” Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.” Sepher ikkarim III c 25
“It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
“A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.” Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
“Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.” Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
The last verse as quoted are the reasons of 9/11, 7/7, Spain and countless Millions Muslim Massacred around the Globe.
You Mr. Gulal is also among the Gentiles as the rest of non-Jews. This also the reason Dr. Abdul Jamil Khan call these people as RACIST.
Migration:
1800 to 2100 BC is the period of massive migration around the Globe. Some of the people from sub-continent went as far as Americas as evident by their religious practices of time of old. Its a lengthy subject and I care not to get involved in for the time being.
Satanic verses:
Do also read the comments by Abdallah Jan on the issue.
Satan has a reprieve as granted by ALLAH till the end time. His job is to misguide people and is absolutely non-discriminatory. But he is not all power full. His schemes are weak. He cries a lot when ALLAH forgives a repenting person.
If Namaste means ‘I worship you’ then do not use it on me. Salaam is better.
Assalamu-Elekum