Català: Bandera de la nació Rohingya, imatge propia (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Burma’s 1 million Rohingya Muslims are the long-standing victims of the Burmese military regime. They have been horribly hit by the cyclone several years ago.
Today they are being massacred–more fruits of democracy in Mayanmar!
Burma is strategically extremely very important to Pakistan. China uses two of its ports as part of its “string of pearls strategy” which extends from Gwador to Hainan in China. Gwador is a sister port of Sittwe, Coco and Zadatkyi.
Pakistan should participate in the cyclone relief in a big way, and take the Arab and Islamic countries with them.
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A young Kayan girl from Myanmar in northern Thailand refugee camp. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Mayanmar’s Rohingya Muslim population, an isolated group in Northern Rakhine State (NRS), remains oppressed by Burma’s rulers and depends on international donors for survival.
- The estimated 728,000 community members live as virtual prisoners as a
- The government’s long-standing campaign to “Burmanize” the population even has included the coerced conversion of Rohingya Muslims to Buddhism.
- Despite having a presence in the area extending back to the seventh century, the Rohingyas are not considered to be Burmese citizens and they suffer legal, economic and social discrimination.
- They face severe restrictions when attempting to travel, engage in economic activity, register the births, deaths and marriages in the community, and obtain an education.
Marc Rapoport, the chief representative of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in Burma, told America.gov January 30 that the Rohingyas “continue to suffer from restrictive and discriminatory practices” at the hands of the military regime.
- Since the 1970s, the government has made it very difficult for the Muslims to practice their faith, restricting and sometimes banning the publication and distribution of the Quran, and effectively limiting participation in the hajj through restrictive passport and visa issuance procedures.
- The government also has targeted Muslim places of worship, ordering mosques to be closed down or even destroyed.
The 14 states and regions of Burma (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
ROHINGYA REFUGEES
- As a result of the regime’s abuses, a large number of Rohingyas have become international refugees. Many make up part of the approximately 1 million illegal Burmese migrants in Thailand.
- The Rohingyas’ most popular destination has been neighboring Bangladesh, but between 1991 and 1992, the government in Bangladesh forcibly repatriated 250,000 refugees, citing overpopulation and land scarcity in the country. UNHCR also has documented 12,000 Rohingya refugees in Malaysia, but has conceded there might be twice that number actually there.
- In addition, an estimated 500,000 internally displaced Rohingyas have been forced from their lands by the Burmese government, leaving many, especially women and children, vulnerable to human trafficking.
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English: Sunday textile market on the sidewalks of Karachi, Pakistan. Français : Marché au tissus du dimanche sur les trottoirs de Karachi, au Pakistan. Canon EOS Digital Rebel / 18-55mm Canon lens (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
The Pakistan Tablighi Jamaat was busy influencing the Rohingya of western Burma.
- It was here in the warrens of Karachi’s underbelly that the Rohingya founded a settlement after fleeing persecution by the Tatmadaw (the Burmese military). The Rohingya, after suffering acute religious persecution, were a perfect fit for the Tablighi’s proselytizing.
- Aziz’s neighborhood also houses thousands of stranded Bangladeshis who presence in Karachi pre-dates Bangladesh‘s 1971 linguistic-based liberation war from Pakistan. These quasi-indigenous Bangladeshis have then been joined by more recent Bengali migrants seeking wider job opportunities and a chance to earn a stronger currency. Aziz informed me that the missionaries from Tablighi Jamaat were quite active in Korangi. They were also hugely influential in Bangladesh where the group hosted the world’s second largest yearly Islamic pilgrimage after the Hajj.
Rohingya children studying the Qu’ran at the Madrassa Usmani in Karachi.
- The Tatmadaw had come to his farm some twenty years ago and claimed they were doing a census on behalf of the junta. Since Saraj was one of Arakan’s land owning Muslims, the soldiers burned his crops, confiscated his land and told him in no uncertain terms that he must leave Burma with his family because the Burmese are a Buddhist people and he “must have come from somewhere else” implying he was of South Asian origin. At first he fled to southern Bangladesh and lived in a majority Bengali village where other refugees had temporarily made their homes. It was not long before the Bangladeshi authorities told him and his family that they were not welcome there either. Like many Burmese fleeing Arakan state, Saraj did not arrive in a large, visible exodus.
- He and thousands of his countrymen arrived in a quiet yet constant trickle across the Naf river. It was at this point that he and many of the Rohingya in Pakistan morphed from being destitute refugees displaced by the Tatmadaw’s brutal coercion into actual economic and religious migrants seeking work in Pakistan.
A Rohingya boy hawks vegetables in a Bangladeshi bazaar in Karachi.
Saraj told me that missionary Pakistani members of Tablighi Jammat had convinced him that Pakistan would much more suit his tastes. Saraj, who stated that he was around 85 years old, said he would return to Burma immediately if he could have his land back and was allowed to openly practice his religion.
Rohingya migrants posing in front of a garment shop.
- In the twisted realm of South Asian proxy politics, India has accused Bangladesh and Pakistan’s intelligence services of supporting insurgent groups such as the United Liberation Front of Asom and the National Socialist Council of Nagaland who are fighting against Indian rule.
- In turn, these groups have taken periodic shelter in western Burmaafter allegedly being trained in militant camps in Bangladesh. It is quite common practice in South Asiafor rival governments to aid in agitating ethnic grievances in the other’s territory in order to keep their opponents off balance.
- The Rohingya, while once being left to fester during the Sino-Indian rivalry that followed China‘s invasion of India in 1962, are now an absolute lost cause in the noise of this new competition. The economic tentacles of these emerging powers are furiously grasping for influence inside both Burma and Bangladesh.
- Over the decades since the Sino-Indian confrontation, China supplied arms to anti-Indian war fighting groups in Burma, Bhutan and Bangladesh when irritating Delhi suited Beijing‘s aims of the day. China also supplied arms to both the Burmese junta and ethnic guerillas fighting the junta depending on the politburo’s mood swings. War by proxy is politics as usual in the region, and Burma exists in its most dim corner.
- After hearing first hand accounts of hijira from the Rohingya elders, Aziz and I then visited a bare-walled, local Burmese religious school called Madrassa Usmani. There, I met a group of Pakistani-born Burmese children who were rocking back and forth studying the Qu’ran on a fraying sun bleached carpet. A young maulvi (religious instructor) named Abdullah told me that the people of his generation witnessed mass destruction of their religious institutions by the junta as they were being forced out of their once home country.
- In Pakistan, it was the Islamic charities who provided aid and “proper” religious instruction for the children of the community as per the standards of Pakistani society. It is from just this milieu where students can be cultivated into fighters. I left with only the hope that these vulnerable, young Rohingya would not fall for the siren song of violent radicalism gripping much of modern Pakistan. As we have learned the hard lessons from the militancy spawned in Pakistan’s notorious Afghan refugee camps, it is not terribly difficult for yesterday’s victims to become tomorrow’s aggressors.
Market scene in Bangla Para, Karachi.
I explained to my driver that I didn’t have quite enough material for a story and that we needed to delve deeper into the area. He said it wouldn’t be safe to proceed any further without the guidance of his brother. Aziz’s brother, it turned out, was an MQM operative. The MQM, which stands for the Muttahida Quami Movement, is Karachi’s dominant political force and sometime terrorist outfit. The MQM controls large swathes of this 15 million strong port city with a mix of intimidation and sheer brut force. From the comfort of our air-conditioned sedan, we followed Aziz’s brother on his motorbike through alleys strewn with burning rubbish flooding with humanity until we reached an area called Bangla Para (literally “Bangladeshi Area”).
When we arrived, our car was immediately surrounded by curious Bangladeshis who looked particularly at me with a great deal of suspicion. I followed the MQM man deeper on foot into the bazaar capturing its life on camera while also inquiring about its inhabitants ethnic identity, a naturally sensitive subject in an area full of illegal migrants living outside the mainstream of Pakistani society.
I essentially had the MQM man ask groups of men and boys which languages they spoke and went from there. Many of the Rohingya had come to Karachi hoping they could find work in the fishing industry as they had done in Arakan. The irony of them fleeing Bangladeshis that they seemed to be naturally drawn to settle amongst Karachi’s Bengali community. Here they could attempt to blend in with the Bengalis with their colorful lungis and white skull-caps. The people of southern Bangladesh spoke a dialect known as Chittagonian that is somewhat mutually intelligible with the Rohingya’s language. Since both groups had essentially fled conditions in Bangladesh (albeit for very different reasons), they also shared the same arduous migration as recent common history.
As we drove away from the rough neighborhood these former refugees now call home, I naively said to my driver, “I actually felt pretty safe there.” Aziz looked at me skeptically and said in his heavy Pakistani accent, “that is the most dangerous area of Karachi.” Considering Karachi is one of the world’s most violent cities, I would shudder the next day when I read in the nation’s leading English-language daily that five men had been shot dead in Korangi during my brief visit.
As we drove out of the crowded slum into the overwhelming traffic of Karachi proper, I thought it a strange fate that the Rohingya fled an area where they faced state orchestrated violence only to arrive in another area plagued with rampant crime and anti-state and sectarian terrorism. Karachi may have its dreadful shortcomings but at least here in their relative anonymity, the Rohingya are free. While in India the call centers buzz, and in China the factories hum, in Burma, the generals keep marching. The Worlds of Islam: The Inquisition against Muslims
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Pakistan must pressure China to stop the terror by Burmese army and killing of Muslims the same way like China asks Pakistan not let groups in Pakistan support the Uygrs in China. China is a true friend and if asked will surely reciprocate.
Burma has switched sides…didnt you hear “democracy” and all that other jazz
Burma is a chess piece a pawn.
Today in the hand of America and tomorrow in the hand of China.
I have pity for these hard working beautiful people.
The Burmese army has a chequered past and as they say…
The game aint over until the fat lady sings.
Game abhi bakhee hain meray bhai.
India switched sides to, as has Pakistan, all pawns of a much bigger grand game.
Kashmir, Burma and the Asia Pacific will be the chess boards as is Horn of Africa.
Yes Burma has switched. From a totalitarian regime acting as China’s poodle to an independent free nation. And there is nothing that China nor her other poodles like Pakistan can do about it.
The Burmese have learnt from the bitter experience of their Thai brothers. The Thais were very kind and tolerant towards the Muslims of Pattani and look what they got in return ? Those disgusting people looted and killed the Thais, they didn’t even spare the holy Bikshus. Burma has thrown the China puppet regime, and the whole world applauds that. There is no denying that. Aung San is not only accepted in the West, but even in fellow ASEAN countries she’s warmly welcomed. Burma is making its way towards democracy and the whole world is standing behind her. But we should not forget that democracy are for humans. The creatures of Rohingya are virtually sub human parasites who, if left unchecked, will turn to be as beastly as their Pattani counterpart. They have to be exterminated for a peaceful Burma.
Neither you , nor your patrons can aliminate the Rhohingya Muslims and the Pattani Muslim– the valiant freedom fighters who are simply trying to exist as humans.
They will get their own independence or Burma will not survive
Or better still..
Why not shackle all you hindu elitist from every corner of Asia – surely that is the key for Peace and no longer will the feranghees have a foothold to destroy Asia and keep it under their ghulami.
@ rajesh gindwani; Very amusing comments indeed. You do worship beast such as Elephants, Monkeys, Rats, Snakes and Parasites when you take a dip in your mother Ganga, that cling to your body so it can bless you.
So then why don’t you worship Rhohingya Muslims and the Pattani Muslim, whom you call beast and parasites?…if you don’t, you then are Hypocrite.
You might as well leave Indonesia as I predict an uprising of Muslims there, as I also predict an civil upheaval in Turkey against the Khazar Gov masked in Islamic garb.
Have a nice trip back to India.
Hindus do not worship animals, we worship the balance of ecosystem between animals and humans, created by the Lord. Your comments on our religion,as always, reflects a deep profound stupidity of your Madrasas.
The Rohingyas creates a destructive unbalance in the “ecosystem” of Burma. Burma is a new nation struggling for its development and the last thing they need is these “ungrateful disloyal beggars” to hinder them in their progress. The Rohingyas show their loyalty to Bangladesh and that’s where they should be sent with their bags packed.
Rupee news shows their sympathy to the Rohingyas just because they are Muslims, purposely ignoring the Buddhist Karen rebels . But fortunately the democratic leader Aung San is wise enough to seperate her good and bad apples. The good lady has promised the Karens a better treatment, and hence we hope they ll be able to build their nation alongside other Buddhist people of Burma.
And please stop your silly dreams about hardline Muslims taking over Indonesia. The poor rascals do not stand a chance for power. In every elections, the Muslim parties are routed by the moderate Nationalist parties. Economically the Chinese already control 75% of the economy who will easily keep the Muslims in check. If that’s not enough then there is the Indonesian military, who are traditionally anti conservative Muslims. And if all that fails, then there is the good old United States, whom Indonesia is highly dependant on, military, political and economically which will never allow conservative Muslims to rise. You do remember the US don’t you, the country whose has switched their favourite sport from baseball to bombing Pak territories. In conclusion, Indonesia’s anti hardline Muslim stance is multi level, beginning the moderate Indonesian themselves and ending with the US. And we Indians despite our small numbers control at least 15% of the national economy, enjoy economic prosperity and create jobs for the Indonesians and thus help to develop the nation.
Your Islamphobia is showing!
@ sneha gulal; Another confused brainwashed LIAR that says, “Hindus do not worship animals, we worship the balance of ecosystem between animals and humans, created by the Lord”.
The Medressa teaches to worship the LORD ALONE while you worship the balance of ecosystem and humans created by the LORD in violation of your own scriptures, that says
“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
“Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
“His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
And
“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
And about you sneha gulal it says
“Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
It seems correct that you have no intelligence as it is stolen by your pervert porno temple desires.
You can dump your economy numbers in your filthy mother Ganga as it is not about Economy. It surely is about one GOD worshipers and polytheist. In another words. War between the followers of ONE GOD and the followers of Satan. You being the follower of Satan.
This is a war between the follower of Kalki Avatar, Maha Buddha, Maha Veera aka Muhammad (pbuh) and Koka and Vikoka (Gog and Megog). You being the latter.
The Muslims in the Far East is learning fast as the Muslims elsewhere as to who the Satanic Cabal is and are rising against their own Tyrannical Govt
Consult your own scriptures without adding any of your delusional stupid unintelligent preconception.
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Have a nice nightmare.
I too have nightmares; A muslim ‘islamophobe’ is flaggerbasted by yuor rich quotations honorable Weqqas sahab.Thanks
Yes hiduism is an amalgam of ideas brought in by migrants from Africa and mideast as defined in my ” urdu/hindi an artificial divde”. Based on their educational levels hindus worshipp a varietty including Monotheism, animals, rivers,animals; above and beyond they do have so called ‘ MONISM’ or Vedanta; this one posits that GOD is in you so u dont need to worshipp any thing but be a good human being.
All this was eloquently discussed by Alberuni in 10th cent. Unfortuntely many hindus under ” other’s phobea or Xenophobes” dont understand the richness of their accumulated cultural heritage from africa and mideast–.They remain drowned in INDO CENTRIC creatonism;No different than BIBLIOCENTRIC genesis.
T dont see any thing wrong in worshipping animals if i and my parents been dong this innocently having no education and uninformed from rest of the world; How one can assume that a most pious muslim will go to hell if he is a NON CHRISTIAN ?-ask any church father;he will say “all NON christian are hell bound”. Islam as i understand is the only religion which does not guarrantee hell/haven to muslims/ NON MUSLIMS ( see my book on hinduism) and muslim sufis of india catered/cared for all hindus and muslims;many were impressed by them and became muslims; Even the ‘allegeed hindu hater’Aurangzeb ( wrongly as i understand him)never forced conversion.NO question islamophobea is widespread among hindus–GOOD BRITISH WORK.
Bottom line:Weqqas saheb did teach me a lot and hope fully to others.I will love to have direct access to him for further education. Akhbar bhai please help us to connect;thanks.
@Waqqas : My God ! Now I ve to teach you English as well. Tell me how the HEL* do we worship an ecosystem ? What a narrow mind you have, taking every word so literally and grabbing every oppotunity to insult other faiths. Is that what is taught in your so called “holy” Quran ? Today if someone says I worship peace, does that mean that he worship a god named peace ! It means he will do his utmost to attain peace. Do they teach English in your schools properly? We worship the ecosystem which I have stated is created by the Lord is we thank Him for his creation and continue to preserve the balance. Today we Hindus have been proven right. The whole world goes on summit every year to preserve our planet’s ecosystem, what Hindus have stated ages back.
There is no need to quote all these verse from the Vedas like a parrot, for you have little understanding of them as your backward Madrasas have always deluded you from the truth.
Only in Hinduism can the consitency of the One God can be seen. God alone is the creator, the preserver and destroyer. He does not send angels, demons or prophets do to such work. The Vedas wasn’t lying when it stated God as formless. But that does not mean that God can never take any form. Semitic religions, especially Islam limit their god as incapable of taking any form however the need may be. This is not the case with Hinduism.
The Lord says ” To protect the good and annihilate the evil, I will manifest ages after ages” In order to protect us He takes a form suited for that realm. Eg In the heavens He takes a heavely form and on Earth He takes a human-like form. It is that form that Hindus worship. The Bhagvatam states : the wise know the Lord in 3 forms and all of them are equal, as Brahman,Parmatman and Bhagvan. Brahman is the formless God prevading the entire creation, Parmatma resides inside our souls and Bhagvan, the Lord with a form residing in front of our eyes and in our minds.
As far as Mohammad being Kalki Avatar, pls visit Agniveer site http://agniveer.com/prophet-puran/ where they have proven that Mohammad is described as demon, not an Avatar.
Thank you for quoting me BG 7.20. That verse speaks about people worshipping God with a desire in mind. Semitic religion encourage its followers to do good and worship God with a desire in mind such as heavenly pleasures. In Hindusim even that is forbidden.
Now that I ve answered all your points Waqqas do allow me to ask you questions myself. If God cannot be seen with our eyes, then how is that Moses can hear him with his ears ? Eyes and ears are organs of the same head. Then how come one organ can sense God while the other can’t ?
@ sneha gulal the 330 million Satan worshiper. Lets start with your Garbage >>>>>
“Today we Hindus have been proven right”
Really, then prove the under from your scripture right ..
The Puranic description of the geography of Earth is full of fabulous elements. For example,
“Earth, composed of seven continents, together with the oceans extends 500,000,000 leagues across. Holy Jambudvipa lies in the middle of all the continents; in its centre is said to be lofty Mt. Meru, bright as gold. Its height is 84,000 leagues, and it extends 16,000 leagues below the earth; its width at the top is 32,000 leagues, and its diameter at the base is 16,000 leagues”.
Kurma Purana, in Classical Hindu Mythology, p. 52.
In this quote, ” league” is presumably a translation of a Sanskrit term at least loosely approximating the usual English meaning of ” league” (about three miles). At this rate, Mt. Meru is something like 252,000 miles high. The tallest actual mountain on Earth is Mt. Everest, at about 29,000 ft, or less than six miles.
In the next quote we see that the impossibly high Mt. Meru is held to be the source of really existing rivers in India such as the Sita:
“Ganga, the heavenly river flowing from the feet of Visnu and inundating the orb of the moon, falls all around the city of Brahma. Falling on the four regions, O twice-born ones, she subdivides into four rivers, namely Sita, Alakananda, Sucaksus and Bhadra. The river Sita flows from the atmosphere east of Mt. Meru and then through the eastern range called Bhadrasva to the sea. And each of the others does likewise: Alakananda to the South enters Bharatavarsa; Sucaksus to the West falls on Ketumala, and Bhadra to the North falls through Uttarakuru…”
Kurma Purana, in Classical Hindu Mythology, p. 54
The scripture then describes nine different subcontinents, of which one (Bharatavarsa) includes or is the same as India. Eight of the subcontinents are populated by people who live paradisial lives.
Astronomy
“Bhurloka, Bhuvarloka, Svarloka, Maharloka, Janaloka, Taparloka and Satyaloka are the worlds thought to have their origin in the egg. In the old stories Bhurloka is said to stretch out as far as sun and moon radiate their beams of light, O bulls of the twice-born. As far as Bhurloka extends in width and circumference, so does Bhuvarloka spread out from the sphere of the sun, from which sphere the firmament extends upward as far as Dhruva is located. This region is called Svarloka… The sphere of the sun lies 100,000 leagues from earth. The orb of the moon is also said to be 100,000 leagues from the sun. The whole circle of naksatras appears the same distance from the moon. Twice this distance beyond the naksatras, O wise ones, is the planet Budha (Mercury), and Usanas (Venus) dwells the same distance from Budha. Angaraka (Mars) too is the same distance from Sukra (Venus). The priest of the gods (Brhaspati/Jupiter) resides 200,000 leagues from Bhauma (Mars), while Sauri (Saturn) is the same distance from the guru (Jupiter). This is the sphere of the planets. The sphere of the Seven Seers shines 100,000 leagues’ distance from that. Dhruva dwells the same number of leagues above the sphere of the seers. Dhruva is the central point of this entire wheel of luminaries in which resides the lord Dharma, Visnu Narayana”.
Kurma Purana, in Classical Hindu Mythology, pp. 46-47.
The notion that the distance from the earth to the sun is the same as the distance from the sun to the moon. Actually, the distance between earth and sun is vastly greater than the distance from the sun to the moon.
The stars in the naksatras (lunar constellations) are said to be closer to us than are several of the planets; but actually, all stars are vastly more distant from us than all planets. The listed distances between the planets are neither accurate nor even proportional to their actual distances. The stars in the Little Dipper are said to be proportionally only slightly further from us than Saturn, whereas actually they are vastly more distant.
In addition to the inaccuracies, there is the strange omission of all mention of the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto). This omission is easy to understand if you suppose the Hindu astronomy was based on naked-eye observations; much more difficult if you suppose that such knowledge come from the infallible psychic insight of great rishis”.
Nice Garbage don’t you think so? Good for little kids.
Now prove this Garbage >>
1. Vedas say Earth is static
Oh Man ! He who made the trembling
earth static is Indra.(Rig Ved 2/12/ 12)
The God who made the earth stable (Yajur Ved 32/6)
Indra protects the wide earth which is
immovable and has many forms (Atarv Ved 12/1/ 11)
Let us walk on the Wide and Static earth (Atharv Ved 12/1/ 17)
2. Vedas say Sun moves around the earth on a golden chariot with his 7 horses.
As the Veds Claim that the earth is static and so they tried to prove that the sun moves around the earth. The following statement from the rig Ved tries to clarify it:
1. “Sun is full of light and knows all the human beings, so his horses take him to sky to look at the world” (Rig Ved 1/50/ 1)
2. “O, Bright sun, a chariot named harit with seven horses takes you to sky” (Rig Ved 1/50/ 8)
3. “O, man, the sun who is most attractive, takes round of the earth, on his golden chariot through the sky and
removes the darkness of the earth” (Yajur Ved 33/43)
3. Vedas say The Bull has supported the Sky “The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5
4. Puranas say Earth is Flat NARASINGA PURANA – Page 169 -
Abithana Sinthamani – says that the earth is flat. Today it has been proved beyond doubt by the scientists that the earth is round.
5. Vishnu Purana – another astrological error
VISHNU PURANA says that sun is 800,000 miles and moon is 2,200,000
miles away from the earth respectively.
Astronomy has now proved that the moon is nearer to the earth, i.e.
240,000 miles and that the sun is 93,000,000 miles away from the earth.
6. Markandeya Purana – gives completely wrong area of the earth
MARKANDEYA PURANA says that the earth has an area of 4,000,000 ,000
square miles. According to astronomy, it is only 190,700 ,000 square miles.
EARTH IS FLAT
1: The Earth Is Stretched Out
Rig Veda 6.72.2 Ye, Indra-Soma, gave her light to Morning, and led the Sun on high with all his splendour. Ye stayed the heaven with a supporting pillar, and spread abroad apart, the Earth , the Mother.
Rig Veda 10.62.3 Ye raised the Sun to heaven by everlasting Law, and spread broad earth, the Mother. Rig Veda 3.6.5
Great are the deeds of thee, the Great, O Agni: thou by thy
power hast spread out earth and heaven. Rig Veda 2.11.7 , 5.58.7 …The earth hath spread herself in all her fulness Rig Veda 10.88.3 Him who hath spread abroad the earth with lustre… Athar Veda 3.9. 6 A hundred and one vishkandha are spread out along the earth Yajur Veda 16.19
Homage to him who stretched out the earth Rig Veda 6.7.7
The Un-decievable who spread out all the worlds , keeper is he
and guard of immortality. Rig Veda 6.17.7
Thou hast spread out wide earth Rig Veda 10.27.-
…earth that lies spread out beneath him…
उत 81;ता& #2344; [uttaana]= Stretched out
वि 60;्त& #2371;त [vistrta]= spread out, wide. Yajur Veda 29.4
Pleased with much Sacred Grass which we have scattered wide spread upon the earth , a pleasant carpet Atharva Veda 20.118.4 With might hath Indra spread out heaven and earth , with power hath Indra lighted up the Sun.
The above verse says the Sun did not had light before Indra gave the light to Sun.
Rig Veda 10.62.3 Ye raised the Sun to heaven by everlasting Law, and spread broad earth, the Mother
And the above verse also says the sun was raised to heaven, which is a scientific error. Because the Sun is not above us, the Earth is revolving around the Sun.
2: The Vedas says THE EARTH HAS FOUR CORNERS AND ENDS
The Stone Age Vedic science have gone one step ahead in stupidity it says the Earth has ends and sides Atharva Veda 15.7.1 He, having
become moving majesty, went to the ends of the earth…
अन 81;त [Anta]= End
सी 50;ा [Siimaa]= boundary, End
It’s very amazing that where did Virat went when the earth is spherical in shape, and how can someone go to the ENDS OF THE EARTH when it is Spherical.
Atharva Veda 20.88.1 Him who with might hath propped earth’s ends…
Rig Veda 1.62.8 Still born afresh, young Dames, each in her manner, unlike in hue, the Pair in alternation around four
sides of earth
Rig Veda 4.50.1 Him who with might hath propped earth’s ends…
Rig Veda 10.58.3 Thy spirit, that went far away, away to the four-cornered earth
4 Thy spirit, that went far away to the four quarters of the world
Rig Veda 6.62.1 . I LAUD the Heroes Twain, this heaven’s Controllers:
singing with songs of praise I call the Asvins,Fain in a moment, when the morns are breaking, to part the earth’s ends.
Rig Veda 5.47.2 On Four side about the earth and heaven go forth the spacious paths without a limit.
Yajur Veda 23.61 I ask thee of the earth’s extremest limit (earth’ s ends), where is the centre of the world, I ask thee. I ask thee of the Stallion’s genial humor, I ask of highest heaven where Speech abideth.
62 This altar is the earth’s extremest limit ; this sacrifice of ours is the world’s center. Rig Veda 7.99.3
The Above verse translates as …From the four sides of the earth spread your bright rays…
Rig Veda 7.83.3 The boundaries [ends] of earth were seen all dark with dust…
Boundary= the line or plane indicating the limit or extent of something
Rig Veda 8.25.18 He who hath measured with his ray the boundaries
[ends] of heaven and earth ..
Yajur Veda 31.5 From him Virâj was born; again Purusha from Virâj was
born.When born, he spread to west and east beyond the boundaries of
earth.
EARTH IS STATIONARY
Atharva Veda 13.1. 7 Rohita firmly established Earth and Heaven…
दृ 38; [drdha]= Fixed, Established.
स् 41;िर [Sthir]= Fixed
पृ 41;्व& #2368;/मह ी /भू 350;ि= Earth
Atharva Veda 13.1.6 …Rohita with his might hath established Earth and
Heaven.
Rig Veda 9.97.27 For we go forth to war against the mighty make heaven and earth well stablished by thy cleansing.
Yajur Veda 5.27 Prop heaven, fill full the air, on earth stand firmly[fixed ]…
Atharva Veda 12.1.17 Kind, ever gracious be the Earth we tread on, the firm [fixed] Earth , Prithivi, borne up by Order…
Atharva Veda 9.5. 15 …Stay thou the earth and sky and fix them firmly up on the seven – rayed pitch and height of heaven.
Yajur Veda 1.17, Atharva Veda 11.5.1 Firm art thou. Make earth fix. For the foe’s slaughter I set thee on…
Atharva Veda 6.88.1 Firm is the sky, firm is the earth , and firm is all this living world; Firm are these mountains on their base, and stedfast is this King of men.
Atharva Veda 19.32.9 He who first born fixed earth in her position , he who established heaven and air’s mid-region…
Atharva Veda 19.33.2 Drawn forth from butter, juicy, sweetly-flavored , fixed as the earth, unshaken, overthrowing.
Atharva Veda 20.34.2, Rig Veda 2.12.2 He who fixed fast and firm the earth…
Atharva Veda 6.77.1 Firm stands the heaven, firm stands the earth , firm stands this universal world…
Rig Veda 4.17.4 Thy Father Dyaus esteemed himself a hero: most noble
was the work of Indra’s Maker, His who begat the strong bolt’s Lord who roareth, immovable like earth from her foundation.
Yajur Veda 5.16 pastures, fair to do men service. Both these worlds,
Vishnu, hast thou stayed asunder, and firmly fixed the earth with pegs around it.
So back to your claim, “Today we Hindus have been proven right”.
Please do prove the above Garbage right….
So far I have just mentioned a drop of your garbage belief.
Like Ahmed Deedat stated, ” You read GARBAGE, your mind becomes GARBAGE”.
Your turn Garbage man and quote a verse from Qura’n that defy science.
You can’t. Gather all your Human and Satanic Allies to prove Qura’n wrong…..F O O L.
Take a dip in filthy mother Ganga.
@Waqqas : again your lack of education in English is showing. I had clearly stated in my reply above that “We Hindus have been proven right in taking care of our ecosystem” are we not right ? Proof us wrong. But people like you are like filthy prostitutes, just as they jump from men to men, you jump from topic to topic. You do not finish up one topic then you move to another. First of all tell me if taking care of the ecosystem is not correct. Secondly,see above, I asked you about Moses. Don’t pretend to be blind Waqqas and skip the question, answer me those 2 points first then we move on to the next topic.
@ sneha gulal the ecosys worshiper that wants to kill The Rohingyas because they creates a destructive unbalance in the “ecosystem” of Burma.
An ecosystem consists of the biological community that occurs in some locale, and the physical and chemical factors that make up its non-living or abiotic environment. Examples of ecosystems — a pond, a forest, estuary, a grassland and others.
The Hindu belief of Pantheism – the belief that God (or gods) dwells in all living things (even in non-living material like water and rocks) is common among Hindus. It means that nature is worshipped as divine and environmental damage is desecration.
Is that the reason why you drink animal and your own piss?
You want to kill the Rohingyas because they are Muslims and unarmed, just as Kashmiri Muslims, and not because they are destructive for ecosystem. If that was the case Hindus should have declared war against USA, for on December 3 1984, more than 40 tons of methyl isocyanate gas leaked from a pesticide plant in Bhopal, India, immediately killing at least 3,800 people and causing significant morbidity and premature death for many thousands more. The company involved in what became the worst industrial accident in history immediately tried to dissociate itself from legal responsibility. Eventually it reached a settlement with the Indian Government through mediation of that country’s Supreme Court and accepted moral responsibility. It paid $470 million in compensation, a relatively small amount of based on significant underestimations of the long-term health consequences of exposure and the number of people exposed. The disaster indicated a need for enforceable international standards for environmental safety, preventative strategies to avoid similar accidents and industrial disaster preparedness.
Since the disaster, India has experienced rapid industrialization. Major threats to the environment from rapid and poorly regulated industrial growth remain. Widespread environmental degradation with significant adverse human health consequences continues to occur throughout India.
So now why don’t you avenge yourself against USA and India itself for widespread environmental degradation with significant adverse human health consequences continues. Well you did say you are ecosystem worshiper did you not?
Oh wait USA is a super power so attacking them will be counterproductive and may be fatal. While India is a home country that might put you in jail and torture you. Ah but Rohinyas and Kashmiris are different as they are Muslims and unarmed. What a Hypocrite COWARD!
So now how does the killings of 1 million female babies in India annually at or before birth fit in your ecosystem belief?
Or how does burning death of 30,000 young female brides by you in India for greed of DOWRY fit in, in your worship of ecosystem?
How does selling of poor parents daughters for $20/ to any buyer fits in your worship of ecosystem?
How does Dev Dasis sold to highest bidder by Hindu Temple to pop her cherry fits in your worship of ecosystem?
How does 40 million poor widows that are not allowed to remarry but used as prostitutes fits in your worship of ecosystem?
How does 70 % of Hindu population excretes through out Indian streets and railroads to the extent that whole of India is a one big toilet, fits in your worship of ecosystem?
Planting a tree or plant and nurturing is the commandment of the final messenger (pbuh). That do not mean we worship it. We worship the Creator of these plants and trees.
Keeping a community, cities clean is the commandment of final messenger (pbuh). We surely do not worship it. Likewise the lakes, ponds and rivers. Muslim kill halal animal for consumption as allowed in Qura’n and not to waste it. Same is true with your scriptures that your clergy conceal.
Your next question is Idiotic. Ears function is to listen / hear. Eyes function is to see that registers an image.
The Creator can not be seen as HE is NOOR ALA NOOR. When Moses (pbuh) saw the bright NOOR behind the bush his soul swooned away, that ALLAH commanded it back in the body. The intermediary of bush was thus to safeguard Moses well-being.
Like wise the Final Messenger (pbuh) on his Mairaaj beyond 7 heaven spoke to the CREATOR from behind the screen.
Your insinuation is that if Moses can hear CREATOR, he must have some form, then why not come down in Human form in the persons of your unlimited gods is absolutely false as I have quoted your scripture verses to prove it.
HE sends down Rishis, Prophets and Messengers with knowledge to help man kind understand HIS MAJESTIC ONENESS and to worship him ALONE without addition or subtraction. HE does not have any form as HE HIMSELF SAID in Qura’n >>>
Surah Al-Ikhlas
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Say: He is Allah the One and Only; (1) Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; (2) He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; (3) And there is none like unto Him. (4)
Assalamu-Elekum
Sneha and myself are not the same person but we know each other and live in the same country.
Waqqas from his foul languange and lack of respect of other faith reminds me of Abdullah Jan, who has an equally low class upbringing and would often use foul terms to describe Hindusim and Christianity.
@Waqqas: You seem to have an unstable mind as you never complete a topic and quote things which is already proven wrong.
Agniveer has already refuted the claims made by these jahil “jihadis” in their website.
The Vedas state that Earth rotates the sun by gravitational pull of the sun.
Sun is bigger than Earth hence has a stronger gravitational pull.
The sun itself is in rotational motion pulling all the other planets with it.
The earth is made stable in its orbit as to not clash with other planets. Today science has proven Earth had a major clash with another planet / body ages back.
Mount Meru does not exist on Earth now. Why would the Vedas mention something that does not exist ? Which means that Meru did exist on this Earth in the past or it existed on a different planet.
For more info google “agniveer errors in Hinduism” or open facebook page “Daily Bread” .You can find it in Sneha’s friend list. It a page run by a group of people in which Sneha and I are a part of. Open the album ” Savitar Mysterious God of the Vedas” .
@ sneha gulal: As per latest information, the allege killings in Burma may be a false flag or sham to provoke Muslims sentiment around the globe. To cause unrest and provoke yet another conflict in order to reduce world population.
Regardless, this sham incident, brought in open the hidden wish and desires of Islamophobes as yourself, who are exited about mass murders of Muslims.
Rest assured, Muslims will not forget the injustices perpetrated by you and others in murder of Muslims. Mighty empires are falling or will fall. Say hello to Muslims (AfPak) in your neighborhood (BhaRAT), soon, Insha-ALLAH.
So leave Indonesia to defend your filth (BhaRAT) as Muslims (AfPak) are coming.
Assalamu-Elekum
GULAL vs WAQQAS:
Mr/MS Gulal, u have lost the duel as Waqqas has quoted very appropriate vedic/puranic literatures. U have to reflects on a very cute observer on india,its religiin and sciences–first hand after mastering SKT:The great Alberuni.
He says that Hinduism is ” degenerated monotheism” and perverted by Priescraft as bussiness ala modern christianity and Rabbanic judaism; Priests make a living from ” many gods and their forms”
U are indulged into a ” hindu apology” that seems full of ignoance and rigid nationalism; IT is hard to convince a person abt some thing against his faith.To Stay as GOOD righteous human is the best way. If u are an academic scholar on ur religion then u must see thaat ONE GOD RELGION is the oldest and that had included hinduism and MOHAMMADEN Islam is most modern version. Read up and try to learn from all including MR WAQQAS.
Sneha and Gandwani are the same person and have other names too. These are the employees to you know what
@Dr Khan : how quick of you to announce the winner without even seeing the full arguement. Rajesh has quoted you a website of Agniveer in which all Waqqas’s bakvas regarding errors in Hinduism has been refuted. I don’t think you have even bothered to check that first before passing judgement.
Let me just quote you then from the Agniveer page :
1. Vedas say Earth is static!
a. Jihadi Claim:
According to Vedas, the earth is static and this statement is repeated several times. The following are some of the examples:
Oh Man ! He who made the trembling earth static is Indra. (Rig Ved 2/12/12)
Agniveer:
Actual translation: He who ensures that the sun with seven color bands that shines, the clouds that rain, air that circulates, water bodies that nourish us - all work in harmony to provide us life and vitality has been managed by Indra or the Ishwar who provides prosperity.
There is nothing about static earth in this mantra.
b. Jihadi Claim:
The God who made the earth stable (Yajur Ved 32/6)
Agniveer:
Unfortunately the scientist who wrote this could not distinguish between stable and static. Anything that moves or stays in equilibrium as per defined laws is stable and when there is an element of randomness or unpredictability it becomes unstable.Stability DOES NOT mean lack of motion.
By the way, this is a celebrated Mantra recited by Hindus daily and means: May we surrender all our actions and thoughts only to Him who has stabilized the sun and other illuminating bodies, the earth, the heavenly bodies and the entire universe solely for our happiness and who provides us ultimate bliss after Mukti or salvation.
Very clearly the mantra says that all heavenly bodies are stable include sun. Thus even by wildest stretch of “Heavenly”imagination one cannot bring such a ridiculous meaning to this mantra that implies earth as being static.
c. Jihadi Claim:
Indra protects the wide earth which is immovable and has many forms (Atharv Ved 12/1/11)
Agniveer:
This is the mantra from the famous Bhumi Sukta which forms the origin of the sense of love that patriots demonstrate for Dharti Mata. When one reads this Sukta today considering how our freedom fighters would die for this soil and often carrying this soil in hand till last breath, one cannot help getting his eyes wet with sense of gratitude towards those great legends whose debts we have to repay through our deeds.
The particular mantra means: O Earth, you provide me with great snow-capped mountains and hills, forests, farms, food, herbs and rains so that I am always happy, protected and nurtured. You provide me the support I need to live like a king.The next mantra continues – You are my mother, O Earth, and I am your son. You purify us and may we be able to repay your blessings through our noble actions.
What could be a better thought on love for mother earth! But perhaps patriotism and allegiance to soil is alien to Jihadi mindsets. That is why this is so unscientific for them!
d. Jihadi Claim:
Let us walk on the Wide and Static earth (Atharv Ved 12/1/17)
Agniveer:
Actual meaning: “May we travel all around the earth that provides us prosperity, nutrition, medicines and supports us in a variety of ways.
The foolish Jihadi just saw the word “Dhruva” and started imagining silly things. “Dhruva” means something that provides reliable support.
On contrary there are several mantras in Vedas that clearly discuss the movement of earth. Some examples:
Rig Veda 10.22.14
“This earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the objects over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun.
Rig Veda 10.149.1
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.”
Yajur Veda 33.43
“The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.”
Rig Veda 1.35.9
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of attraction.
Rig Veda 1.164.13
“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than them.
2. Vedas say sun moves around the earth
e. Jihadi claim:
1. “Sun is full of light and knows all the human beings, so his horses take him to sky to look at the world” (Rig Ved 1/50/1)
Agniveer:
Again this is a daily prayer mantra for Hindus. It actually means: The way rays of sun enable the world to see the sun, in same manner all noble people should propagate their goodness far and wide through good deeds and teachings.
There is no horse in this mantra nor it talks about sun moving around any earth.
f. Jihadi claim:
2. “O, Bright sun, a chariot named harit with seven horses takes you to sky” (Rig Ved 1/50/8)
Agniveer:
Actual meaning: “The way seven rays of sun carry its illumination across the world like horses of a chariot, in same manner you should understand seven kinds of Chhanda of Vedas.”
One can try to interpret this mantra to mean that sun moves. But then how would one explain rays as seven horses. Because rays emanate from all around the sun and not necessarily in the direction of sun’s motion only. Further, Vedas in any case do not deny that sun moves. In fact Vedas clearly state that sun also moves and there is no absolutely static body in universe. BUT THERE IS NO MENTION OF MOTION AROUND THE EARTH IN THIS OR ANY OTHER MANTRA. As per Vedas, sun has a different motion in its own orbit. (refer Rigveda 1.35.9)
g. Jihadi claim:
3. “O, man, the sun who is most attractive, takes round of the earth, on his golden chariot through the sky and removes the darkness of the earth” (Yajur Ved 33/43)
Agniveer:
Actual meaning: “The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.”
This is exactly what happens in reality. Even the most basic text on astronomy would cover this subject. Actually Jihadi scriptures had no notion of the concept of gravitational force causing Jihadi scientists to raise a red-herring on this.
h. Jihadi claim:
4. Vedas say The Bull has supported the Sky
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
Agniveer:
Classic case of “One burnt in rainy season seeing only green color”! The Jihadi scientist simply saw the word “Vrishabh” and created yet another imagination by assuming it to mean a bull.
“Vrishabh” actually means an entity which is powerful, possessing high potentials or simply the best. It later came to mean the ‘bull’ also because the ‘bull’ is symbol of raw power. There is hardly any animal which can match the bull in power and speed. Even a lion not dare attack a bull from front.
The actual meaning of the mantra is: “O All Powerful Ishwar, you permeate all across the universe, create and nurture the earth, stabilize the sun, manage the heavenly bodies and sky and ensure like a righteous king that everything functions in correct manner. This is your inherent nature.”
i. Jihadi claim:
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5
Agniveer:
This mantra does not have any word that can mean a bull. This is a mantra on duties of a wife. It states: “O wife! May you be pleasing to your husband and indulged in noble activities. May you be extremely intelligent and further your knowledge through study like the sun. May you provide bliss to everyone in same manner as the brilliant sun provides food, light and purity to all. May you please everyone in same manner as water satisfies all. May you promote knowledge all across.”
Indeed, an amazing mantra showing the Vedic respect for a woman. What can be a better example of women empowerment!
3. Miscellaneous allegations
j. Jihadi claims and Agniveer response to rest of the article
The rest of this silly article provides references from Puranas on how Hinduism is unscientific. But Purans are not at all considered evidence in matter of Dharma. Only Vedas are considered divine and we have adequately demonstrated how stupid are the claims of Vedas being ‘unscientific’. As for Purans, they even contain descriptions of Muhammad, Akbar and Victoria showing that they continued to be written till 19th century, obviously under might of the incumbent rule. So we shall simply not dwell into exploring the references given. We however doubt that even there, these Jihadi scientists would have made the same kind of blunders like they did while proving Muhammad in Bhavishya Puran whereas actually Mohammad is a demon worthy of being punished!
Mr Khan’s says”To Stay as GOOD righteous human is the best way.” You may want to keep this advise for fellow Muslims like Mr Bakwas. Does insulting other religions is part of a GOOD righteus man, Mr Khan ?
@ Waqqas or Mr Bakwas :
Your understanding of Hindusim is a copy paste of Zakir Nalayak’s website. http://www.islamawareness.net/Hinduism/ZakirNaik/part2.html The layout of the wordings of your postings is exactly the same as in the website. Which prooves me right (again) that you are quoting the Vedic mantras like a parrot.
Let us compare point by point about God.
What is the description of God ?
B.Gita 13.16 “The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all living beings, the moving and the nonmoving. Because He is subtle, He is beyond the power of the material senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He is also near to all.”
Here the Lord is described as subtle, beyond comprehension of the senses of our material bodies which means that not only the Lord cannot be seen, but at the same time the Lord can’t be heard, felt, touched or smelt.
Let’s compare to your Allah. He cannot be seen. If someone by accident sees him like Moses did, it can result in his death. Which makes me remember the demon Medusa, whose sight can turn one into stone. But strangely, Allah can be heard. The same material senses that cannot see Allah with eyes can actually hear him with ears. If a TV has no picuture but has sound, that TV is defected. If “god” can only be heard and not seen, then that god is defected as well.
Is God in Hinduism formless ?
Yes. But the universe that He created is with a form.
The Svetasvatara Upanishad : That Divine Being, who, though Himself formless, gives rise to various forms in different ways with the help of His Supreme Power for His own inscrutable purpose, and Who dissolves the whole Universe in Himself in the end – may He endow us with pure understanding.
For what purpose did God take a form ?
Bhagvad Gita 4.7
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself.
In Islam, Allah does not come himself, but sends his angels and prophets. He himself can’t protect his subjects as he even leaves his heaven to make appearance on Earth, people will start falling dead seeing his sight. He therefore keeps hidden behind curtains and bushes as Waqqas mentions. This again reminds me of Midas, as whenever he tried to help and touch anything, the person turns into a dead body of gold.
Bhagvad Gita 4.8
In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.
And what about Islam ?
There is a bad news and there is a good news. The bad news is that Islamic Allah has stopped sending out prophets. Muhammad was the last. Come what may, however the problems of Muslims increase, when they look up and pray to their Allah, they will see a sign ” dhukan bandh (shop closed) Stock of prophets over ! ”
Islam states that 120.000 prophets have been sent by Allah since the beginning of creation. But except for the so called prophets of Middle East,there is no record who and where these prophets were sent in the Quran. Hence Islam is on a world wide quest to search for their “lost” prophets, and every prominent figure in world religions such as Lord Krisna, Lord Buddha, Zoroaster are all declared as prophets of Islam in order to meet the quota of 120.000 prophets of Islam.
Then what’s the good news ? The good news is that the Ahmadiyas think that Mohammad is not the last prophet. More is to come. All they wanted was some sort of hope, but all of you Mohammedans pounce on them like savages, killing them whenever you get the chance.
Is God One ?
Rig Veda 1.164.46
“They call him Indra, Mitra, Varu?a, Agni, and He is heavenly nobly-winged Garutm?n.
To what is One, sages give many a title they call It Agni, Yama, M?tari?van.” (trans. Griffith)
When you quoted so many verses from the Vedas, why on Earth would you leave out this verse ? On purpose I suppose as it doesn’t suit your purpose to insult the Hindu religion. It clearly states that the God is One, His names are many. Many can mean 3 , 33 or 33 crores. And it is these names that has Muslims barking like mad, stating Hinduism to be a religion of many “gods”, blissfully ignorant of the sentence in the mantra. ” TO WHAT IS ONE,SAGES GAVE MANY A TITLE”
I had purposely written the name of the translator, as being a Western scholar, the translation can be judged as neutral.
If in Hinduism, God is One, His NAMES/FORMS are many. In Islam , we can say that Allah is one, his ASSISTANTS are many. Allah can be seen as a dispensary machine, dispensing out angels, prophets, son of god, saints, and heaven knows what else in order to communicate with his own people, while he himself remains hidden / invisible.
Now to answer your filth point by point.
I was talking about ecosystem of the Earth….dumbas* , no need to give me a dictionary meaning.
We protect the Earth’s ecosystem by not killing animals and plants. Again I repeat it does not mean we worship the ecosystem, we protect it as per the instructions of the Lord. Today we have been proven right as many attempts are made to save animal life. Many Christians are turning vegetarians.
Planting trees alone as advised by your “porphet” is hardly enough. You need to protect the entire ecosystem which is the balance of plant and animal life.
Re Rohingyas : Rajesh and I made that statement as Rohingyas are disloyal and destructive. They should be deported back to Bangladesh. Ecosystem here was hypothetical, meaning the nation unity of the emerging nation of Burma.
Re : Bhopal gas leak : this was an industrial accident, not an act of war. If you declare war on accidents then Europe should declare war against Soviets during Chernobyll or US and Mexico should declare war on UK for the BP oil leak. Do you know what’s an act of war ? One nation sending drones to shoot and kill the people of another nation. Ring a bell you cowards ? Why doesn’t Pakistan declare war on the US then ? Which toilet did you flush your Quranic verses that tells you to fight injustice ? No wonder the US doesn’t have any respect for you Muslims. Burning Quran among them is more common than they burn cigarettes.
“to provoke Muslims sentiment ” : and since when do Muslims need to be provoked ? There is a term “to fight like cats and dogs” but at the rate Muslims are fighting among themselves, you put those cats and dogs to shame. The world is horrified at way Muslims in Syria are killing each other. Not to mention Sunis, Shiahs and Ahamadiyahs. I am not impressed with your “latest source of information”. Quote a credible website.
The rest of your points are garbage and not related to ecosystem. The beggars in your country does not live in palaces, you people engage in your so called “honour killings” and then claim its a foreign culture. You marry and have many wives, no differents than beast who also share many partners to mate. All these have got nothing to do with Earth’s ecosystem so there is no need to quote them, Mr Bakwas.
@ Sneha Gulal: Tch Tch you are furious as I expected. That is the reason you could not find a better defense. There are many websites run by Muslims who are defending Santana Dharma, but now interpolated as Hinduism with addition and subtraction.
Thanks for calling what I wrote on July 12/2012 interpolated verses from your scriptures as ‘Bakwaas’ and I agree with you, it is truly bakwaas or garbage, but it is from your scriptures.
We have no problem with your scriptures as far as you do not associate any body or thing with HIM. For eg. >>
Rg Veda says, ”I am God Almighty. I am light of the world like the suns. Neither defects, nor death can ever approach Me. I am the controller of the universe. Know Me alone as the creator of all – I am the cause; I am the support of all that exists in the universe. May ye never turn away from me May ye never accept any other God in my place, nor worship Him.“
Similar thoughts find expression in Yajurveda (V!!!-4) “God O men! Existed in the beginning of the creation. He is the creator, support and sustainer of the sun and other luminous worlds. He was the Lord of the past creation. He is the Lord of the present. He will be the Lord of the unborn universe. He created the whole world and He sustains it. He is the Eternal Bliss.”
I find the above verses beautiful and it is in line with Qura’n, therefore we accept it as a word of ONE GOD ALONE.
Quote, “I am light of the world like the suns” unquote.
The suns are plural which represents the intense quality / magnanimous quantity of power as stated in Qura’n, NOOR ALA NOOR.
Contrary to above two verses, will be target of mockery and ridicule.
Agniveer is doing a bad job of damage control stating its a Jihadi claim. Its is what your scriptures says that may have been corrupted by your clergy. Sorry to disappoint you I do not quote from Dr. Zakir Naik. Dr. Naik is the only person that gives out similarities between Islam and Hindu Scriptures. Yet you call him Nalaik..very amusing indeed.
There is a lot more Bakwaas in your belief system or Temple indoctrination that goes against the verses that I quoted on July 8/2012 and above two verses from your scriptures, which at this moment I would refrain from writing as it is the month of Fasting (Ramadan).
When I come back, keep cool and do better surfing or research for offense, and may ALLAH guide you to expel the interpolation from your scriptures.
Ramadan Mubarak to Muslims.
Waqqas jee Mr gandwani is a baigharat and surely will come back for more.
We have sailed the high seas, built many nations and many empires. Our architecture still stan majestic and our minarets call out to the heavens. We looked into all great civilisations with appreciation and inclusion. Ours is a faith of accommodation and inclusion and under its shade you find every single race standing united, bonded by something so deep like blood. Ours is a real history recorded and still visible and ours is a way of life that still matters and continues to be the popular alternative. You have never broken us neither discouraged us, we have only been encouraged on reflection of your pettiness, exclusions and lies. Who are we, we are the adherents of I-Slam we have been tried and tested through the ages we will continue to weather the climates of hatred, bigotry and aggression from the likes of Mr Gandha-wani. Your kind amuses us jubilant in a manufactured history unrecorded non visible of a faith that belongs with the dusts of time. When I see you I pity you and may Allah Azuwajjal forgive my arrogance but I do become overwhelmed in superiority. In this day and age how can you continue to even gage stone worshippers of the most adventurous type is beyond me.
If people like me or Waqqas
Waqqas jee Mr gandwani is a baigharat and surely will come back for more.
We have sailed the high seas, built many nations and many empires. Our architecture still stan majestic and our minarets call out to the heavens. We looked into all great civilisations with appreciation and inclusion. Ours is a faith of accommodation and inclusion and under its shade you find every single race standing united, bonded by something so deep like blood. Ours is a real history recorded and still visible and ours is a way of life that still matters and continues to be the popular alternative. You have never broken us neither discouraged us, we have only been encouraged on reflection of your pettiness, exclusions and lies. Who are we, we are the adherents of I-Slam we have been tried and tested through the ages we will continue to weather the climates of hatred, bigotry and aggression from the likes of Mr Gandha-wani. Your kind amuses us jubilant in a manufactured history unrecorded non visible of a faith that belongs with the dusts of time. When I see you I pity you and may Allah Azuwajjal forgive my arrogance but I do become overwhelmed in superiority. In this day and age how can you continue to even gage stone worshippers of the most adventurous type is beyond me.
If people like me or Waqqas even Akhbar stop playing your verbal ping pong to massage your inferiority complex its because to simply put it stone worshipper – we really cannot be arsed as you are insignificant to me and your faith and mythological biased and unrecorded history well does not even register on our “we give a rats ass scale”.
Ramadhan mubarak spare a tbought for your brothers and sisters still suffering from the indian engineered floods. The brave and beautiful Afghans and Kashmiris but also look wider afield to your brothers in Somalia, Sudan and Palestine because every little helps even a simple dua. Remain united and stand before your lord and pray for the inflicted across the wider muslim world.
Ramadhan Mubarak and inshallah we pray we hope and our dua’s will be answered because we say Insha Allah and include our brothers in Burma and wider afield.
How nice Waqqas, you do sins all year round and got this month to ask forgiveness only to make sins again the following year !
You say “We have no problem with your scriptures as far as you do not associate any body or thing with HIM”
Do you think I care about what you and your religion think ? Stop quoting our scriptures to suit your incorrect definition of God just as that demented Nalayak is doing. From the verses I have quoted, it is stated clearly that in Hinduism :
1. God is One
2. He is Formless
3. His creation is with form. All of us living in this material universe has a form.
4. He takes Form only to protect and teach His children. He does not send anyone to do that job.
And I have mentioned you your Allah in comparison. Reply me on that dear don’t jump to other topics. If you want to take your time during Ramadhan, please do. I ll be waiting.
Here in Indonesia Ramadhan starts with the usual confusion about the start of the month, with about a quarter of the Muslims starting fasting one day earlier than the rest. Its always a funny joke for the non Muslims here : )
Meanwhile you can enjoy your Ramadhan with my articles.
First is from Jordan, where it is reported about productivity decrease in Jordan during Ramadhan. http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=19888&date=2011-04-04
Second is from Indonesia, where during Ramadhan sales of antacids sky rocket. So much for fasting for better health.
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-11-06/health/ramadan.fasting_1_fasting-ramadan-food?_s=PM:HEALTH
The third, which is the best, is from your own Pakistan with the title of the article “RAMADAN, THE SEASON TO SHUN WORK ! ”
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20098\23\story_23-8-2009_pg3_6
I know your reply will be Muslim liquidless fasting is beneficial yadda yadda blah blah but these articles did not fall from the sky. They reflect the reality in the Muslim world during fasting. Happy fasting everyone :)
Dear Mr/MS Gulal;
I read ur apologies abt hinduism and also negatives of hinduism from many sources including Wendy doniger, Gandhi, Romilla Thaper etc and I try to learn only to understand better. In my personal view to follow any faith blindly is very personal/respectfull. But to try to prove that ‘a religion’ is best of all for every one is “VERY STUPID” and against all common sence.
I do see all religious ideas were evoloved in their basics in Africa and later refined in ‘ mideast cradle’ and then along with migrating farmers of mideast they ‘ got dispersed/ regionalized’ into what today we call ‘ chinese, hinduism. buddism ‘etc a process which statred some 12000 yrs ago. Now those idesa ‘ regionalized locally in mideast’ took the form of so called ‘judeo-christianity’and islam later on.
Without going into the details, i believe this as a matter of historical truth–and have detailed in a book “urdu/hindi an artificial divide===african heritage; The book discredits all the biblical/hinduic mythical thought as ‘ priecraft/political racism’.I invite your indulgence to scan the book if u will. I believe that ‘indo centric’,biblio-centric creationsm of language/culture/aryan-semitic races etc and divine arabic/Sanskrit/hebrew etc is NON HISTORIC MYTH and preistly politics/delusions.
SO i step into ur debate from a different perspective; I admire mr Waqqas for his ‘ knowledge’ as i do Romilla thaper, wendy doniders. etc–hated by many indo-centric creationists. Wish you blessings of holy month of RAMADHAN.
@alansalarhaq : as usual all crap talk about your superiority. Yes continue to shout from your minarets to your “heaven” and guess who ll arrive ? The US airforce with
their holy crusader bombs, wiping out the infidels like yourself. The minarets of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Sudan all stand testimony to this divine justice from the sky. With the exception of Pakistan (hopefully soon though) all the above mentioned Muslim nations have had their capitals bombed by the crusaders. While Christian capitals remain safe and prosperous. The Crusades have finally been won by the Christians.
60 years since WW2, 50 plus Muslim nations and you can’t even liberate one Palestinian nation. Syria is saved from wrath of US by only by a Christian govt of Russia, and Iran is waiting for its execution with Israel holding the button, Saudi and Kuwait under the US thumb, and Turkey is begging the Christians of Europe to be accepted as one of them in the Euro zone, so what are you proud of ?
@Mr Khan : Hinduism does not need any apologetics. We never branded non Hindus as “kaffirs” or any such names.
We never wrote in our scriptures that non Hindus will go to hell. And the list goes on.
Yes calling one’s religion best is, as you put it yourself, VERY STUPID. Isn’t Islam declaring itself and its prophet as the “Last and the best”?
It is these 2 words that spurred the debate here on this site and everywhere else in this world. The very notion that God should save the best messenger for the last defies any logic.
Re : out of “Arabia” theory : I believe your book is based on the documentary by National Geographic with their Out of Africa theory. Carrying such a research on such a global scale is of course beyond the capabilities of you or your country. National Geographic, after a massive genetic tests, concluded all humans originated from Africa. And since Arabia was the gateway out of Africa, it was only natural that people went there before venturing into Asia and Europe.
But this “out of africa” theory is still under debate, even by the NGC scientist themselves. But writers like yourself have jumped into the bandwagon and wrote books about it. But Mr Khan, how did you manage to corrupt the “Out of Africa theory” into “Out of Arabia” theory and potray Arabia, which was just a transit place, as the mother of all civilisations is something I would want to read from your book.
I am sure the word “amllich” is a figment of someone’s imganigation
Snare Bull sorry Sneha Gul,
The crusades are not over nor have they been won because Islam continues to be the most fastest growing religion in the world but also in your precious West.
The Mongols destroyed Baghdad, flattened it but in time the sons of Genghis became great Muslim leaders and from anong them they conquered Parts of Hind.
The Western supremacy is unparrallel but has been since WW2.
A mere 70 years, the brutal crusaders occupied Jerusalem for a century before the Muslim recpatured and liberated Jerusalem.
Now to stop this verbal ping pong – like I said I dont give rats ass about Hinduism and the figment / myths you follow.
Just to re-iterate;
“If people like me or Waqqas even Akhbar stop playing your verbal ping pong to massage your inferiority complex its because to simply put it stone worshipper – we really cannot be arsed as you are insignificant to me and your faith and mythological biased and unrecorded history well does not even register on our “we give a rats ass scale”
:)
@ Alansaralhaq: Just hold your horses. Insha’ALLAH I will rip Sneha’s latest comments to pieces after Ramadan.
Unknowingly the FOOL has struck his own feet with a huge hammer at his latest comments and I will make him look like a stupid monkey (hanuman) with a rat brain.
Assalamu-Elekum
@ Alansaralhaq: Just hold your horses. Insha’ALLAH I will rip Sneha’s latest comments to pieces after Ramadan.
Unknowingly the FOOL has struck his own feet with a huge hammer at his latest comments and I will make him look like a stupid hanuman monkey with a rat brain.
Assalamu-Elekum
Alan sara hua haq : I have stated in my other posts, and you have no shame in admitting it yourselves, that Muslims are growing due to over breeding and not conversion. If you think that’s a sign of victory in the Crusades, then that’s disgusting. You can’t fight the Christians with your weapons, you turn to the womb of your burkha clad women. What a shame ! Jerusalem is de facto capital of Israel, it is now under Jewish occupation. So what liberation are you crapping about ? The rest of my points, just as Mr Bakwas, you have also blindly pretended not to see therefore given no response.
Mr Hypocrate, if you or your boyfriend Bakwas doesn’t care about my religion, then why start the debate in the first place ? I posted regarding the Rohingyas, and support the Burmese’s stance on it, and Bakwas had to open his filthy mouth about my religion. Yes you can stop this verbal ping pong by shutting your dirty Madrasah mouth whenever I post any article. You can see very well that I have the ability to give a tit for tat response if my faith is attacked. So the choice is yours to make. Do we have a deal ?
Sorry. Sneha gulal beats alansaral haq, abdul jamil khan and akhbar khavees in a row. Like a drone dusts a taliban gang . Good wrk snehaji, keep banging mlenchhas at will.
Snehaji please elaborate if u have time, what really bhavishyapurana describes mohammad as. Nalayak zakir has corrupted and misguided foolish muslims about it. He should be sent to guatanamo
Amazing! This is the true mentality–please note the use of the word “malechhaas” used for Muslims.
Yes Rajesh,
Atleast man up and stop this facade of duplicit ID’s.
Jerusalem has been ocupied a many timy hence why it is no longer Yar Ul Shalom but turned into a place of conflict frequently.
It will be reclaimed, it has only been a mere 70 years, a spec on the history of man.
A man who enjoys the genocide of Rohingya, the genocide of Kashmiris, the genocide of Palestinians, Afghanis, Iraqis etc etc is not a man at all. You are testimony of everything vile about your kind deep seated inferiority complex, hatred, bitter, shallow and twisted. you do not engage in a discussion rather you spit and make a spat and when the dummy is thrown out of the pram you return as a Sneha or whatever you choose to call yourself.
You are testimony of a decietful, back stabbing race of people, who rather than man up choose to be forever the coward like siva ji holding a dagger with a smile on your face.
Such people live on borrowed time and such people never make history, you niether have an identity nor a soul. We Muslims are willing to sacrifice another million to maintain our identity our pehchaan.
Where as you are not even man enough to keep your identity on an internet blog – there lies historic difference between your kind and our kind. We have ruled, we have fought, sacrificed for our cause you have hidden in the shadows, opportunist hijacking land, identity, wealth and here an internet blog.
Oh you are on reflection a spec but on a closer look you represent your kind very accurately, opportunist, back stabbing, deceitful, hatred, inferioir complex and very petty.
oh yes to re-iterate I still dont give a rats ass about your supposed history (non factual and unrecorded) and your folklores and mythologies that you call your religion. If I wanted to adopt a folk lore and myth for a faith I would have chosen the ancient Greek mythologies or where you true rots lie in Persia but frankly dude like I said I dont give a rats ass nor do I have the aypta of interest to gage you on a discussion on your supposed faith.
It does not interest me a slightest bit.
Yes Rajesh,
Atleast man up and stop this facade of duplicit ID’s.
Jerusalem has been ocupied a many timy hence why it is no longer Yar Ul Shalom but turned into a place of conflict frequently.
It will be reclaimed, it has only been a mere 70 years, a spec on the history of man.
A man who enjoys the genocide of Rohingya, the genocide of Kashmiris, the genocide of Palestinians, Afghanis, Iraqis etc etc is not a man at all. You are testimony of everything vile about your kind deep seated inferiority complex, hatred, bitter, shallow and twisted. you do not engage in a discussion rather you spit and make a spat and when the dummy is thrown out of the pram you return as a Sneha or whatever you choose to call yourself.
You are testimony of a decietful, back stabbing race of people, who rather than man up choose to be forever the coward like siva ji holding a dagger with a smile on your face.
Such people live on borrowed time and such people never make history, you niether have an identity nor a soul. We Muslims are willing to sacrifice another million to maintain our identity our pehchaan.
Where as you are not even man enough to keep your identity on an internet blog – there lies historic difference between your kind and our kind. We have ruled, we have fought, sacrificed for our cause you have hidden in the shadows, opportunist hijacking land, identity, wealth and here an internet blog.
Oh you are on reflection a spec but on a closer look you represent your kind very accurately, opportunist, back stabbing, deceitful, hatred, inferioir complex and very petty.
oh yes to re-iterate I still dont give a rats ass about your supposed history (non factual and unrecorded) and your folklores and mythologies that you call your religion. If I wanted to adopt a folk lore and myth for a faith I would have chosen the ancient Greek mythologies or where you true rots lie in Persia but frankly dude like I said I dont give a rats ass nor do I have the ayota of interest to gage you on a discussion on your supposed faith.
It does not interest me a slightest bit.
P.S Mr Ghandaghee-wani,
Our comical attempt to discredit my pseudonymn was not very creative.
Surely a shallow, twisted, ghandah insaan like you can do alot better.
@ Sneha Gulal, Rajesh Gindwani and others.
Animal worshipers allege Rohingya as Sub-humans therefore should be exterminated.
Ask the above two insane genocidal murderer perverts to tell that to United Nations Organization that says as follows >>>
PREAMBLE
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
I am positive that the U N O will throw these two perverts in Hospitals of the LUNATICS or in other words in ‘Pagal khana’.
Even their own Country will throw them in Pagal Khana.
Allow me to quote Santana Dharma,
‘What you desire for yourself, you should desire for others. What you do not like others to do to you; you should not do to others.” (Mahãbhãrata, Shãntiparva, 258)
These two perverts are in violation of their own scriptures.
In other words what goes around comes around. These two murderers want to exterminate the Rohingyas. They forget that same principle can be applied on them in Indonesia and Malaysia. Though I doubt it will ever happen due to strict observance of Sharia by Muslims that adhere to ethics of war that is not followed by Non-Muslims.
Did ALLAH create any sub-humans?
Surah At-Tin
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
By the Fig and the Olive, (1) And the Mount of Sinai, (2) And this City of security? (3) We have indeed created man in the best of molds, (4) Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low? (5) Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: for they shall have a reward unfailing. (6) Then what can, after this, contradict thee; as to the Judgment (to come)? (7) Is not Allah the wisest of Judges? (8)
ALLAH is swearing above by mentioning Fig and the Olives that grew in Palestine (Gospel / Jesus on whom be peace), Mount Sinai (Torah / Moses on whom be peace) and City of Security (Mecca / Qura’n / Muhammad on whom be peace) that HE made Humans in the best of MOLDS.
How that is these two murdering perverts think that Rohingyas are sub-humans that should be exterminated? Perhaps they can quote a verse from their scriptures to back such a genocide that is absolutely illegal as far as U N O is concerned.
What and who are the sub-humans?
These would be created by the satanic secret societies that are half human and half machine. Their agenda is to invent Super Soldiers that has no loyalties to families but to State or a King. At the moment NATO’s defeat is due to humanity of soldiers that has limitations and has become combat incompetent. Thus creating such Super Soldiers will solve their problem of defeat. They can try…But ALLAH has a different plan as we are at conclusion of Hijr 1433 or 2012.
Now coming to Sneha Gulal comment of July 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm where he says about CREATOR the following >>
Quote “He takes Form only to protect and teach His children. He does not send anyone to do that job”. Unquote.
So what the delusional Gulal Is saying that god took a form in Parvati who needed to take a bath but wanted to have someone guard while she is taking a bath. Why would a goddess need a guard to do the job?
Parvati then creates a boy out of Tumeric to guard her while she is bathing. This boy is Ganesha who stops Shiva (Parvati’s Husband) from entering the chambers not knowing that he is her husband. It is believed by the Hindus that god took the form of Ganesha also, so how come he does not know who Shiva is?
Shiva orders the boy out of his way and asks him who he is. How is that Shiva do not know who the boy is when he is alleged to be a god?
Ganesha tells Shiva that he is son of Parvati and refuses to give him a pass. Siva is furious and cut his head off. ……Baby killer?
Parvati is heart broken and furious at Shiva’s action and insist that he put his back. Shiva declines as it was not within his power to do so.
Why did Parvati not put his head back to his original position since it was her who created her from Turmeric to begin with?
Why did Siva not able to put back his head since he is a god?
Shiva then goes out to find the first thing that comes his way to kill it and bring back its head and put it on Ganesha.
Behold! An Elephant comes out, and Shiva kills it and severe its head. (Talk about animal abuse and Eco Sys Abuse).
He brings elephant’s head and joins it with Ganesha’s body. Question is if being a god he could put an elephant’s head on Ganesha, he could have done the same with the original head of Ganesha. Why he had to kill an innocent poor little big elephant?
Parvati is happy and so Ganesha is adopted as a son. This huge baby Ganesha now sits on a little mouse goes across the world on a race that he wins. Oh goodness what a fairy tale. An elephant sits on a meekly mouse for a race and wins it.
In short this is bakwaas or Garbage Mr. Gulal and Geederwani., your perception that god takes in any form is nothing but GARBAGE. There is absolutely no lesson to be learned from this Alice in La La land. Even your own kids of present Century reject it as GARBAGE.
Plus your GARBAGE perception is in violation of:
“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
As for calling Paradise where the resident will have two wives as perversion, would you then call the blue man ‘Krishna’ an pervert ala supreme who had 16016 wives?
I dare not call him pervert, but by your own definition, if having two wives are perversion then apply the same principle to your god Krishna.
Yes there would be intimate relations between man and wife in Paradise and lucky are the ones that will enter it.
None of the inhabitant of Paradise will have ass hole so your insinuation of young boys are for the homosexuality is nothing but GARBAGE.
They will all eat and drink and sweat in a sweet way for excretion.
But Alas! You will be burning in Hell as per Surah Rahman
The guilty will be known by their marks, and will be taken by the forelocks and the feet. (41) Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (42) This is Hell which the guilty deny. (43) They go circling round between it and fierce, boiling water. (44)
So then have a blast in boiling / burning Hell.