New authors and intellectuals have only now begus to challenge the versions of history that were doled out by the colonial powers. Millions of pages of Muslim history are still stored in Topkapi and other vaults of knowledge. Thousands of historical secrets about science and technology remain locked up in ancient libraries and museums. all over the Arab world. Israeli universities horde up many of the Naag Hamdi texts, and the Red Sea scrolls, many of which have ended up in Dead Sea Scrolls. When Bernard Lewis was given access to the Turkish warehouses where ancient books are gathering dust, he was really impressed by the amount of knowledge that has been ignored over the centuries.
Lewis initially eulogized Islam and Muslim, ’till his question “Is there a Clash of Civilizations” was hijacked by the Neocons into a policy which attempted to create that clash and are in fact manufacturing this clash. There is almost no research of intellectual and trade activity between the Mughals and the Ottomans. None of the Mughal-Ottoman symbioses has been brought to light. Where there is some discussion of the Baghdad and Cordoba interaction, it has only been presented and researched from the Christian and Jewish perspectives.
The Pakistani and Bharati elite is weaned on the Harrow-Eaton and Oxbridge and now Neocon version of history and have no clue of the facts which deflate the nonsense created by the British.
Some of intellectuals have captured some of the anomalies that exist in the fantastic tales propagated by the colonialists and the the religious zealots in and around Delhi. Dr. Naveed Tajammal, Romila Thapar, Dr. Jamil Khan, Dr. Ahmed Hasan Dani. Romila Thapar are part of the small band of extraordinary historians who have challenged the British baloney and the Mahasaba’s revisionist religious dogma passed off as history.
Recently the Bharati Supreme Court weighed in on the side of Bharat’s original inhabitants the Bhils, who were Non-Hindu and Non-Aryan. In a seminal judgment delivered on January 5, 2011 by a Supreme Court of India Bench comprising Justice Markandey Katju and Justice Gyan Sudha Misra the Supreme Court clearly defined the fact that Hindus were not the original inhabitants of South Asia–and that they were immigrants to the region, just like the others who reside there. This historical disquisition came in Criminal Appeal No. 11 of 2011, arising out of Special Leave Petition No. 10367 of 2010 in Kailas & Others versus State of Maharashtra TR. Taluka Dr. Jamil creates the case for a fake Jesus by using material from reading of Talmud/Torah/Judeo-Christianity “Jewish history, Jewish religion” by the late Professor Israel Shahak of Israel.
Dr. Jamil Khan brings in historical evidence to describe the distortions in the Bible. The Bible’s chronological list of “all” the prophets traces world history to only about 6,000 years. It is pedagogical to note that the Quran does not make that mistake though Islam does list 1 lakh twenty four thousand prophets. The Quran does not list the chronology which could have been made up by Paul etc. Several article on the Bhils need to be taken to the next level of research.
Dr. Jamil Khan quotes from his book Urdu/Hindi– an artificial divide African heritage–”. The book really exposes both Hindu and Judeo-Christian, Greeko-Roman hijack of the real history of man. And for a student of academic humanism/history, all nationalisms i e regional/geographic, racial, linguistic, religious/mythical are apologies/politics. I have tried to remain free of it as you will note in many reviews on the book including that on publisher’s website, Algora.com.
Dr. Jamil adds. Dr Israel shahak’s book is not my source regarding “Bible’s mythical prophets”–there are numerous other works. But Shahak’s 100 page book tells you ”all Jewish history, religion” that every student of history and Israeli-Palestinian politics is a MUST read.
Language classification ( 1800s), based on 3 sons of Noah had created the largest family ”Aryan-Indo-European family” of biblical japhet or BIBLICAL Aryan brother hood of Iran, Indo-Aryans, Euro Aryans had seemed like 19th cent “NATO” against TURANIANs ( then demoted from Japhetic or Yaftals to black Hamites). So one finds that most enemies of ottomans/Moghals (Turanians) drafted into this famous Indo-European family. Sunni Muslims (Albanians), Christian Armenian were also drafted into IE family, being anti ottomans. Hungarians/Bulgarian , though Christians but Pro-Ottomans were excluded. WW1 was a great success and so was the dissolution of great moghals.
The fact is that language classification ignored the grammer, syntax, structures (infection, agglutination etc) and went by few word/cognates shared among these. They even created a would have been romantic aryan family ( non existent but mythically perished) called ” PROTO-IE”. This got busted after Mesopotamian discovery and now discredited by linguist as ” romantic fiction”. All these is detailed in chapter 2, 17 of my book.
There have always been great thinkers in all regions/religions. Take Ibn Khuldun for example, who confronted Biblical 3 race theory as non scientific myth , Japhet-Whites, Semitic-Mideast, and Hametic (cursed by Noah)-blacks/enslaved. The great historian of 14th cent said that “climatic zones North/South of equator drive the human features” and added that this has been well known, and now well documented by Genetics and Mutations. It is a pleasure to see that most Muslim thinkers were critical analysts and questioned every myth including their own…there is no historical evidence for any one of them and even Jesus. This is not my position but affirmed by numerous western scholars including Jewish ones. Prof Herzog, for example of Israel institute of Archaeologist is one of many. There has been only one historically documented prophet ever and that was Muhammed (PBUH) and only one Holy book of wisdom (documented contemporarily)–the Quran. All others are either fake or legends and written much later by poets/editors ( ~ 500 Ad), Jewish/Brahman priests for “business” mainly.
Dr. Tajammal Hussain takes exception to Dr. Khan’s views on Biblical stories and says “I think it would be a very harsh thing to say on the subject that all biblical prophets are fraud,because we too are people of the book,and The Quran again gives testimony to the prophets being there in those times,as stated in the earlier 4 books,however i would certainly like to read your works but it seems that they are not available here.
Dr. Tajammal Hussain talking about Pakistan says that “India as a Mahabharata entity never existed. IVC is a separate thing, you must also keep in mind our language and ethnic aspect is distinct from rest of old British India, here we are not talking of who came first but as through evolution a state and empire came into being,and so emerged the IVC,with influx of the Turanean races from the north, hence the traces of their languages,insignia and customs. Most of older races/tribes in Pakistan,are Turkish ethnically when European powers failed Enver Pasha in post WW1 time. I was because he was uniting the Pan-Turanean races under one flag,the KIZIL ELMA CONCEPT.
“Afghanistan” is the old Khorassan, an area always part of old IVC, as it is the Basin of our main river. Yes today the Arab has re emerged as a power courtesy the oil, could you high light why their script is known as Khat e Kufa?
Kufa is post Islamic creation of name, as is Basra and Baghdad. The Chinese too were ruled by the Turks, Europeans faced them in all ages, all old Turkish geographic area’s strangely have numbers assigned to them. Mian Nur Mohammad Kalhora had a collected a library of over 600,000 books. They were given to the new creation called the house of Pir Pagara (The Rashidi family) by the new rulers–The Talburs, now called Talpurs. I have always stated that our past is now rotting in libraries of St. Petersburg, German Universities, in Paris, as well as in British libraries. The American universities in the last 30 years or so have bought out a large number of books too, the left overs. Being collector myself I am well aware of these facts however my resources cannot be matched with their purchasing powers. We must create awareness on this aspect. Only the old books can substantiate,our glorious past now hijacked by the Hindu pundit.
Dr. Khan says that “I fully agree with you that all these Dravidian, Austric-Munda, Semitic Aryan, Turanian etc are brand new names, from 1800 on and as Moin can appreciate my book (Urdu/Hindi an artificial divide)elaborates on these, exposing the European’s ulterior motives to divide and rule under Biblical race cover. I have a new language classification (ch 17), based on evolution/regions that discard Biblical/Hindu Ethno-Religious ideas. I am not selling my DAHI but please have look whenever if you can. The great politics of linguistic racism is fully exposed which had divided “India” in 4 linguistic races, and branded “Europeans+ Shia Iran+Hindu Aryan” as children of ” Japhet s/o Noah. Jews and Arabs were the enemy semitic camp from Shem,s/o Noah while Ottoman turks were demoted to from Ham, s/o of Noah who was cursed to Black-Slave nation, others in this groups are Dravidian, African /Egyptians, Chinese all “inferior” races/languages. This was a great Strategy to dismantle ottoman and Moghals. As it wedged, Arabs, Turks, Persian in 3 camps. WW1 was a success. In “India”, Dravidian vs Aryan, Aryan vs, Muslim-Semite, helped to govern India. Out of African evolution and Egyptian/Mesopotamian ( 1870s) discernible blew up this fraud/mask of NOAH and his kids/language families; Grierson/Jones/Muellers etc were the architect of this fraud and I have discovered from private papers of Jone’s (British library). Many of these frauds with quotations in the book. I gather that you perhaps have not yet seen the material on out of Africa evolutions and ancient language/cultures of the Mideast that had exposed the biblical race fraud.
Jamil On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Naveed Tajammal wrote: “On the aspect of Bhil and their language,the very term Dravidian,was coined by an Englishman, Brian Houghton Hodgson, (1800-1894) who spent his life trying to prove that a common origin had existed in languages, spoken in British “India”, he had explored central Asian, Nepal/Tibetan areas primarily,as well as central Indian and southern. Unfortunately he mixed them with Munda,which is altogether a different family,as even the term Munda, is attributed to Max Muller. From 1854 onward,who separated it from Dravidian in his famous letter sent to,Chevalier Bunsen,on the classification of Turanian Languages. However 12 years later Sir George Campbell,called Munda, as Kolarian, after the Koli’ tribe.
As to the Austric Family, I do not think that can be brought in here as we discuss the language of central India i.e Dravidian/Munda/Kolarian.etc.the works of Pater W.Schmidt published in 1906,are based on his research of native populations of Indonesia, Melanesia, Polynesia, Madgascar and New Zealand.and some parts nearer to old British empire of India.Schmidt had divided his work in two parts, AUSTRO-NESIAN and AUSTRO-ASIATIC. In the Asiatic aspect some MON AND KHMER i.e Old Burma and Indo-China, LANGUAGES. Under the present. i.e Old Burma and Indo-china,LANGUAGES.
Under the present scope of discussion it has no relationship.
In some remote time Bhili was an old language(Dravidian/munda Mix) but till the late 19th/early 20th century in areas between Ajmer/Mount ABU,but by then it was and had become a bridge between Gujarati and Rajastani,and completely overlaid by an Aryan Superstructure,hence Bhili and Khandesi ( also called Ahirani/Dhed GUJARI ) was employed as a medium by tribes such as, Naikis, Dhodias, Gamtis and Chodris.
Kindly take time out & do read the works of G.a.Grierson (1891-1921) i have the original first edition volumes.He classifies Indo-Aryan inner sub-branch as the Central and Pahari,the central group includes,WESTERN HINDI,PUNJABI,RAJASTANI,GUJRATI,BHILI AND KHANDESI,as one.
— On Thu, 1/27/11, Abdul Khan wrote:
Bhlis, being the oldest of all Indo-pak tribes;their languages (Austric family), being the mother of all south Asian, shares some cognates (words) with man’s oldest(Sumerian) and Urdu. Your view re Brahmaism/Post Islam, depends as to how one defines Brahman and Brahmanism and also when was it documented in contemporary writing;here i will disconnect language from Brahmanism. Contemporary writing is the key to “Authentic history” and in its absence, it is never accepted as real history, though may be true, but usually regarded as myth/legend/guess/fiction.And that is where my skepticism takes over me —a disease in a student of science/scientific history.
Your views regarding Turkish hordes into Persia/Pakistan/India is on the mark but writings of this area does not go prior to~3oo Bc (Asoka’s inscriptions.) and Indus valley seals are still mute, but in appearance they resemble with Elamitic seal of Iran, also undechipered. Thus most of our Persian/Hindu/Parsis accounts are after the fact history. Vedas, Avesta, ( written) are from after about 500 AD only;Sanskrit books are from 700 AD onwards.and Shahnama is after 10th cent AD. History of Buddha is made up from Chinese/Ceylonese sources by British after 1800 and those sources are from 400 AD onwards. In the script ch 16 of the book i have laid out the entire history of writing systems and emergence of Sanskrit/Hindi, Latin/Greek etc from the mother script of oldest Arabic-called Aramaic.
Asoka too had used Aramaic. Thus writing and speech as you know are two different items, unless one believes in Jewish/Hindu myths that Sanskrit/Hebrew are God’s creation, a not uncommon belief even now– driving religious nationalists.It is now well established that Sanskrit has borrowed a lot from Dravidian, and Bhil’s Munda, besides oldest Arabic–Aramaic. This is elaborated in my book off course. will give you few examples: Brahman is Dravid –Parappan, and also Manush (man), Nagar ( city) are Dravidian,. Thus the word Brahman as “priest” had existed in oldest indian language. Like wise, Armaic Ish/Aiesh (life) became Ishwar ( life giver GOD), Banana/Bania/Bani of arabic , is in Dravidian and Sanskrit. Look at Bakh ( arabic-cooking) became Pak, Pukh, Pukhtun, and in Europe we have bake, baker. In Urdu we have Baqri, Baqar, Baqar Khani. and Baqala; Sorry I just got carried away after Brahman. The modern consensus that Mideast farmers sowed languages too beside wheat and barley in Europe/India etc really stands on some solid footings.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Naveed Tajammal “Bhils listed below,in an article, yes they are older then the Hindu Rajput kings as per the tradition in present tract called Rajputana,the new king was smeared with blood on his forehead taken from the toe of the elder Bhil.
However as per my research Brahmanism is post Islam, and Rajput entity likewise so the time of the first Buddha, the Saka is around 2100 BC,it was after he had spread his faith came the Spitma/Zarthust,who died by the sword of Afraisab, the Turk Khaqan, at Balkh,the capital of the Kiani Dynasty of Zamin e Iran,this comes around 1900 BC or so,when you study the historical geography of our region IVC,you find it linked in the past with present Sinkiang,the old Altia-sher or the Six cities,the legendary Turkestan,Afraisaib was a Buddhist,the first Buddha too was a Turk, our Language of the Sind valley the hard core is based on old Dardic,or a dialect of Scythian origin, study our Lhandha script,study the script found by Ariel stein,in his quest /tour of old Turkestan,Sanskrit has rightly roots in Avesta,but Parsi language becomes Avesta in the religious transcriptions,as Pahlavi becomes Zand, in the religious transcriptions,it were the Mazdakite priests who fled the wrath of Nausherwan and took shelter at Surat, in the aftermath here now emerged a new faith in cahoots with renegade Buddhist monks called Brahmanism.the new script the hooded one is based on our old Lhanda script. Ethnically most of our old tribes in the IVC are of Turkish waves.and in no way relate to those found in what is now called India & neither linguistically.
— On Wed, 1/26/11, Abdul Khan wrote:
My personal focus right now is “Ancient most history” that bypasses the Judeo-Christian prophets as irrelevant myth and fiction, a Jewish fabrication during Babylonian captivity. I see Hindu culture/religion, springing out from Mideast/Egyptian tract. Mr Reverty, Max Muellers, Jones etc are “Biblical apologists” supporting Noah’s Divine races/languages, a priestly fraud to defend semitic claim on a real state.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Naveed Tajammal wrote:
Now as you will study Tabri you will realize that it were the viceroys of the Kiani dynasty of Iran with its capital at Balkh which had taken the Jews in captivity,first and second time, Babylon as an entity was never there,first study the chronology of the kings/emperors, western dating of world chronology differs,the Tabri which you will get from Pakistan is not detailed, for example the actual history you always find in the footnotes. For example again study’ Sikandar nama e bara by Nizami, you can get numerous translations,however it is the research of translator whose knowledge peeps out by way he explains the background to each event.have you ever studied the works of H.G Raverty?
— On Tue, 1/25/11, Abdul Khan wrote:
Yes Turks were called Yuftal means from Japhet, a son of Noah. Then Europeans downgraded them 1800 onwards as from the cursed son of Noah Ham, progenitor of black nation. They put themselves and Hindu Aryan as nation from Japhet; All this was biblical fraud and no history. Semitic race was another simultaneous fraud. This glass house was finally shattered by Mesopotamian/Egyptian discoveries in 1870s onward.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Naveed Tajammal wrote: Dear khan sb,
please take time out and do read the Tarikh of Tabari, 43 volumes do exist in English translations or maybe you can access Tabqat e Nasiri of Usmani ,even the Shah nama of Firduasi testifies the same,as well ,or the genealogies of the Turks,this all refers to the first empire builders and their area of rule, and the wars within, the clash between the Iranians and the Turks,the cradle of first civilization as per these records is in north more or less what is now Siberia,as ice age set in there is a movement to the south,the Turk is known in various transcriptions under different names,as Arab would call him Hayatal or Yaftal,and so on, Syriac/Greek/further western names differ.
— On Tue, 1/25/11, Abdul Khan wrote:
I have/had the same pursuit, western/Hindu distortion of Islam plus the bogey (western created) and praise of “Islamic art.culture/science” etc.As a student of science I had/have never believed in ” biblical/Hinduic creationism” and in past 10 years, my research has revealed that man came out of Africa, about 100,000 yrs ago, colonizing all continents by about 20,000 yrs, differentiating in various types under various climate. Language of Africa branched out every where in to modern types. The oldest civilization “Mesopotamia/Egypt” (from about 4000 BC) had fathered all, Chinese, Europe, Mideast, India., including religions. This is well accepted now by almost all Western academics. This oldest cradle was discovered in abt 1860s onwards too late and biblical creationism racism–Judeo-Christiany had grounded already. After the discovery bible has lost its status as history. Thus modern historians now regard Moses, David, Soloman , Jesus, etc as Mythical fiction non history.
My take was to research languages and my book “Urdu/Hindi an artificial divide, African heritage— –”. I found that language classification is a fraud, and based on 3 sons of Noah. State of art in this now accept Mideast as the mother of European, Indian and Mideastern languages. So you will find a new history based on out of Africa evolution. I have spoken on it at Indo-Pak-US univ, Indo-pak tv etc. Important article on Indian races is on Rupee News with some credit to the book. Building on evolution I have lecture to show that medical evolution is one single entity and breaking it into Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc is another fraud that has supporters from all religions–that is what i said at Karachi.
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Naveed Tajammal wrote:Dear khan Sb,
My manuscript of the whole work spread over 9 volumes is ready,but i am told that in the first phase it is to be reduced to one of just around 400 pages or so. Do read my critical review of Atizaz Ahsans,book ‘Indus saga’ (on Rupee News).
— On Sun, 1/23/11, Abdul Khan wrote:
Your reference to Pandit is 100% correct .I have learned this first hand from very early childhood and lately from my lectures on linguistics and medical history at universities in India and US. I see them as politically deluded dwarfs, who don’t want to listen any thing against “Hinducentric racism/creationism”, an experience narrated by Alberuni 1000 yrs ago. Dog’s tail will be great metaphor. I do notice this exactly in Jews. Their’s is a system for money/politics. While Islam to me appears as focused on human reform/value system.These are loaded topics off course we will chat on later on
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Naveed Tajammal wrote:
Just as Europe credits their Alexander with the tittle of a world conqueror, which he never was, Taimur indeed is a conqueror however,he died on his march on china.
From: Abdul Khan
Thanks, your article is convincing, but who will believe, same as who will believe the biggest concoction ” Moses, David Soloman”. Surprised to read about Pillars in China and Korea? One theory can connect all these dots. There perhaps was a West Asian or Central Asian monarch or Phase (after Aramaic scripts establishment –about 1000BC) who.which had moral and political influence in all these tracts. He had to use local dialect and used the appellation “beloved of God”. In history, an Hamurabi, a Sargon, a Asurbanipal, or a later Cyrus/Darius or even some Pharoah (Egypt had ruled up to Indus after defeating Hyksos indirectly). We see Taimur later controlling the same tract from China to West Asia. One little correction perhaps. There was no Sanskirt on any pillar. First Sanskrit writing is only from about 200 AD (at Jungarh-Rudradaman inscription).
Check this out–http://www.rupinews.com/?p=29852
The bottom line is that the moniker “Ashoka” did not exist in the Bharati and Greek lexicon ’till James Princep (1837AD) invented it on the advice of Pandit Radhakntta. Greek historians living in the town where Ashoka was supposedly born do not mention him. Many of the so called pillars predate the fraudulent timeline of “Ashoka”. Al least some of the pillars pre-date “Ashoka” so called reign–and some even pre-date Buddhism itself. Tons of information is available outside the Bharati megaphone that uses Ashoka to justify Akhand Bharat.
If you really dig, you will find that since they could not find any mention of “Ashoka” on any of the edicts or historical record–they ran after one “discovery” which mentions “Payadasa”. This pillar was “discovered” in 1915 and since then they began to brag that “Payadasa” was the same as “Ashoka”. The “Payadasa is Ashoka” thesis was rejected even by the manufacturer of “Ashoka” Sir James Princep.
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