Lajpat Rai Shuddhi movement ‘reconverted’ 1.5-3 million Muslims

Lala Lajpat Rai
Lai’s The Shuddhi movement ‘reconverted’ 1.5-3 million Muslims. Image via Wikipedia

Many modern historians try to obfuscate one of the most important events in South Asia, one that set the stage for the creation of Pakistan.

  • The Hinduruler of Kashmir  Ranbir Singh commissioned the preparation of a 21-volume encyclopaedia by the name of Ranbir Karit Prayaschit Mahanibandh ['Ranbir's Great Essay on Repentance']. This book argued the case and suggested strategies for the mass conversion of all Muslims in India to ‘Hinduism’.  This was similar to the Spanis INquisition which first targeted the Moriscoes and the Morinos (recently converted). The Inquisition then spread, and all Muslims and Jews were eliminated  from the Iberian peninsula.
  • I do not despise, let alone hate Muslim or Christian brethren, indeed even the most primitive tribes in the human race. I oppose the wickedness of individuals and groups belonging to them when I see it. It is my hope and conviction that Hindu-Muslim unity can be based on a permanent and beneficial footing only through the practice of shuddhi. (1927, Majhi janmathep or The Story of My Transportation for Life, Samagra Savarkar vangmaya, Vol.1, p. 511).
  • Once the padre and the pir (Muslim missionary) realize that even though they might provide for a Hindu today or even for ten years, he reverts to being a Hindu by simply swallowing a tulsi leaf (*the tulsi or the basil plant is considered sacred by Hindus), they will shut down their dens of corruption posthaste. (1927, Shraddhananda weekly, 25 August).
  • If shuddhi supposedly breeds hatred, then why corruption (*conversion) is not deemed to breed hatred? In fact, it is because the mullahs and missionaries first embark on a campaign of conversion that we are forced to do shuddhi. If shuddhi breeds hatred, then first shut shops of the Muslims and Christians who convert Hindus by fair or foul means and initiate hatred in the first place. Then the campaign of shuddhi shall stop automatically. If you give freedom to the mullah and missionaries to convert under the pretext of propagation of religion, then the Hindus must also have the right to their shuddhi. To claim that the homecoming of those who have strayed into a foreign religion breeds hatred whilst reserving one’s own right to convert is like a thief who guards his right to steal and claims that hatred will breed if his victims take back what he has stolen from them! (1929, Hindu samaj sanrakshak Savarkar or Savarkar, the protector of Hindu society, p. 210)

The Shuddhi and Sangatham movements led by Lala Lajpat Rai were the harbingers for much of the bloodshed that has happened in the South Asia in this century and the last. The Shuddhi and Sangatham movements converted more than 1.5 million Muslims to Hinduism. Shuddhi is Sanskrit for purification. It is part and parcel of Hinduism worship. It refers to reverting to Hinduism after converting from Hinduism to another religion.

  • In 1885, educated middle class nationals had founded the Indian National Conference (INC).
  • In 1919, the Government of India Act was introduced.
  • This introduced a national parliament with two houses for India.
  • About 5 million of the wealthiest Indians were given the right to vote (a very small percentage of the total population)
  • Within the provincial governments, ministers of education, health and public works could now be Indian nationals

If people think that Shuddhi is a thing of the past, please review this.

http://agniveer.com/6087/shuddhi/

  • Agniveer is organizing a special event in Haridwar in last week of December (Dec 23 to Dec 30, 2011) on occasion of martyrdom of legendary Swami Shradhanand who was the father of Shuddhi movement that brought millions back to Vedic aka Hindu fold. To pay our homage to this great personality, we are organizing a special program of Shuddhi (purification) Yajna for those who belong(ed) to Semitic cults like Christianity and Islam. 
  • Hindu Existence News Bureau || Shahjahanpur, UP || 2nd January 2012 :: Through a late news feed, it has been confirmed now that thousands of Muslims and Christian brothers have returned to their roots in Hindu faith through Suddhi Yajna in the fag end of the Christian calender 2011. The entire programmes of Suddhi were held by the initiation of AGNIVEER & Associates with full cooperation of Arya Samaj.
English: Viceroy Lord Canning meets Maharaja R...

English: Viceroy Lord Canning meets Maharaja Ranbir Singh of Kashmir, 9 March 1860.. Image via Wikipedia

The first census was held in the latter half of the 19th century. It was then that the Hindus found out the total number of Muslims, and thought it a good idea to eliminate them all together. Yogi Second underestimates the numbers as 1.5 million. Other historians have placed the numbers that were converted to around 5 million.

The 1920s may be regarded as a crucial watershed in the history of inter-communal conflict in northern India. Communal rioting saw a sudden upsurge in this period , playing a key role in the political dynamics that later culminated in the Partition of India.

One of the most salient developments in the 1920s was the launching of the shuddhi movement by the Arya Samaj to bring into the Hindu fold various groups considered outside the pale of what had now come to be defined as ‘Hinduism’, including untouchables and, later, Muslim, Christian and even Sikh communities.

The Arya shuddhi campaign provoked Muslim leaders and groups to respond, and this took the form of various tablighi or Islamic missionary initiatives intended to counter the Arya Samaj’s conversion drive and, going further, to attempt to spread Islam among non-Muslims as well. Yogi Sikand

Muslims would have to take the form of conversion of entire Muslim social groups if it was to really succeed.

The victims of the 1946 riots in Calcutta (now...

Calcutta rioting by Hindus massacred Muslim during the announced partition of Bengal in 1906. Image via Wikipedia

As a prelude to the actual launching of this ambitious missionary drive, towards the end of the nineteenth century Maharaja Ranbir Singh, the Hindu ruler of the largely Muslim state of Kashmir, is said to have commissioned the preparation of a 21-volume encyclopaedia by the name of Ranbir Karit Prayaschit Mahanibandh ['Ranbir's Great Essay on Repentance'], which argued the case and suggested strategies for the mass conversion of all the ‘Neo-Muslim communities’ [nau Muslim aqwam] of India to ‘Hinduism’.

This book, Muslim leaders were to later allege, had been secretly circulated among leading Hindus so that the Muslims remained unaware of the plot.

The first attempts by the Aryas at mass conversions of Muslim groups date to 1908, when Arya missionaries began touring the area around Deeg in the Bharatpur State in eastern Rajputana, calling upon Muslims there to renounce Islam, which, they alleged, had been forcibly imposed on their ancestors.

  • In 1910, shuddhi sabhas were set up in several places in these districts, and although it was claimed that they had converted some 1000 Malkana Muslims to the Hindu fold, they were wound up the following year.
  • As in the case of Deeg, the Aryas are said to have met with little success, being successfully countered by the intervention of local Muslim bodies working in association with the Anjuman Hidayat-ul Islam, a Delhi-based Muslim missionary organization.
  • The shuddhi campaign among the Malkanas, which was launched in early 1923, reached its peak by the end of 1927, by which time some 1,63,000 Malkana Muslims are said to have been brought into the Hindu fold.
  • Shuddhi emerged as a powerful mobilizational symbol and tool to consolidate Hindu ranks, helping galvanize the process of the construction of a pan-Indian Hindu community rigidly set apart from the rest. It is hardly surprising that Shradhhanand, the leading force behind the Malkana shuddhi, was also the most ardent advocate of sanghathan, the consolidation and militarization of all Hindudom.
  • As testimony to the success of the shuddhi campaign in mobilizing and consolidating the Hindus, both Aryas as well as the Sanatanis who had initially been vehemently opposed to shuddhi, as one, transcending deep-seated caste, sectarian, racial, linguistic and regional divisions, the Tribune of Lahore, in its editorial of 2 May, 1927, remarked:

‘The shuddhi… propaganda is no longer the exclusive concern of the Arya Samaj; an overwhelming majority of the Hindus are identified [with it]‘. Yogi Sikand and http://www.jstor.org/pss/4406586

HINDU ORIGINS OF THE TNT IN THE SUBCONTINENT

Contrary to the common belief that Jinnah originated the two-nation theory, actually it was Savarkar who propounded the theory years before the Muslim League embraced the idea. Savarkar had commanded all the Muslims to leave ‘Bharat’ to pave the way for the establishment of Hindu Rashtra. When Jinnah introduced his two-nation theory, Savarkar announced, “I have no quarrel with Mr. Jinnah’s two-nation theory… It is a historical fact that Hindus and Muslims are two nations.”

“His (Savarkar’s) doctrine was Hindutva, the doctrine of Hindu racial supremacy, and his dream was of rebuilding a great Hindu empire from the sources of the Indus to those of the Brahmaputra. He hated Muslims. There was no place for them in the Hindu society he envisioned.” (Freedom at Midnight, by Dominique Lapierre and Larry Collins).

So the hate campaign against Muslims was well in place even before the partition of erstwhile British India. This and many other significant factors forced Jinnah to demand a separate nation for Muslims as he believed that Muslims would not be safe in India — a prophetic declaration indeed! There is no denying the fact that Jinnah was secular to the marrow and would never have wished to cut ties with India, but circumstances compelled him to do so. However, he had not harbored grudges against India or its leaders. He had kept his house on Malabar Hill, thinking he could weekend there, while running his country from Karachi on weekdays, but destiny had something else in store for the estranged neighbors of the Asia Partition.

When Nathuram Godse pumped three bullets into Gandhi, a section of the Hindu community compared him with Judas. The writing was on the wall. The divide was evident. In some areas people mourned the death of Gandhi, and in other areas they distributed sweets, held celebrations, and demanded the release of Godse. Gandhi’s crime was that he had demanded security for Muslims.

The seeds of partition were actually sown by the stalwarts of Hindu Mahasabha, primarily the quartet of Savarkar, Gawarikar, Apte, and Nathuram Godse. Independent India’s history is testimony to the fact that in a conflict between the forces of secular nationalism and religious communalism, the latter has always ruled the roost. Secular forces have more often than not ended up playing into the hands of communal forces. Such has been the history of independent India, and it is again on display in Jammu. Syed Alvi Teheran Times
Rupee News has written several articles on the Two Nation Theory, its origins and its development. Dr. Naveed Tajammal reminds us about the RSS.

The prelude is primarily covering the background of the historical records now forgotten by our new generations. It also gives a brief background and a rebuttal to the fake map of a balkanized Pakistan floating on the net for the last over a year or so. The other objective is to revive the memory of the butchered Muslims whom we have forgotten in the present act of appeasement perpetuated to please the Indians and the powers to be.

The Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sangh,( RSSS ), was the brain child of a Dr. Keshar Rao Bali Ram Hedgewar, a doctor of Nagpur in 1925.

The ideology, was based on a belief that the whole of British Indian sub-continent,was a land of the Hindu’s,who had lived in it for the last thousands of years,and that Muslims where but a recent intruder.

This doctrine was further developed by a Madho Rao Golwalkar, who had been a lecturer of science.and had succeeded the doctor, in the leadership, in 1940.

Golwalkar propagated that it was wrong to state that the Hindu’s had migrated to the Subcontinent only 3000 years back. According to his calculations the Hindu had been here over the last 10,000.years and to substantiate the old theory of a movement from a cold zone he stated that ”The cradle of Hindu civilization, was Bihar and Orissa,and that this was the old Arctic region of the past.or the old north pole ?

Apparently, geography, had never been a subject of this man. Nor had he read anything on the movement of continental Masses.or the plates. Anyway the man was an excellent organizer,as the structure of the organization shows, each unit was composed of 50 men,under a cell leader, a branch leader controlled, a number of cells, varying in each area. a provincial controller over each.

The area of the provincial commander was based on old mythical Hindu administrative, provincial boundaries.

Sikhs too, where allowed in this setup,as they said Sikhism was an offshoot of Hinduism, the supreme commander was no other but, Golwalkar, himself.

In the British Punjab,the organization was under,”Dharam Vir”, the editor, of the newspaper, ”Hindu”.

In all the major Muslim majority, Tehsils,’’stabbing squads” had been made,Lahore alone had a 50 member squad.who had a directive to stab only solitary Muslims.

Outwardly, the RSS, claimed it was a non-violent body,and A R.B.Badri, had also issued a public,disclaimer in the ‘tribune” newspaper on 14 June 1947.the crux being that it was a peace loving set up, with no violent aims or objectives at all.

However, the British c.i.d and special branch reports and the F.I.R’s,the bomb blasts which killed and injured hundreds told a different story,as well the recoveries from the safe house’s, of RSS,which were time bombs,acids,explosives and rifles.

The congress pro government in the frontier too, was a major supplier of the weapons.to the RSS.

The general target area’s, of the RSS, used to be,fruit markets, cinema halls,running omnibuses,and the best, the Muslim congregations in the mosques.

A report of an attempt to bomb the Badshahi, Mosque on a Eid morning by chartering a plane also exists in the files of the C.I.D.naturally by the RSS.

The futuristic map of the proposed Pakistan had also been worked out to the limits.

Baluchistan and NWFP, where to be Indian satellites linked with India through the northern areas,with Kashmir.

Pakistan, according to RSS, was to be Hazara division or the CIS-Indus of NWFP,Sind Bahawalpur, and upwards through a narrow belt,Karachi, was, to be, Zahir shah’s,personal fief.

The Rechana Doaba,and the Bari Doaba,was to be excluded from Pakistan,as this was a very fertile canal irrigation area.

The 1941 census was the bench mark on which the demographic working had been done by the RSS.

The districts, of Lahore, Shiekupura, Lyallpur, Montgomery & parts of Multan, had to be engineered to fall in with India,and further more,if the above could be achieved,then the

contiguous area’s,of Gujranwala,Sialkot and part of Jhang are left out.

However not to be out witted from this prize too,it was decided to work out a new strategy so that,because of the contiguous boundaries, and the geographical features,they too could fall if a proper planning was done.

Here came the demographic, placement of a majority of Muslim population.which was a major hurdle in the plan, to circumvent this a new idea was proposed.

Shahdara, Shiekupura,Jaranwala, Lyallpur and Nankana, had a total excess Muslim population of 63,539, that is over 50 %.thus according to the RSS,if this figure could be replaced, by the same of Non-Muslims,the objective could be achieved.

Chunian, Okara, Pakpattan, in the Bari Doaba,had an excess of 148,369 Muslims.

The RSS, worked on the principle of encirclement,as they stated, that these area’s, of the Bari Doaba, adjoined proposed India and the Bikaner state.and so tighten the grip around Lahore, Kasur,Dipalpur,Tehsils,which linked Gujaranwala and Sialkot districts.and had the main canal networks.which was the root of the prosperity of the Doaba.

The third. encirclement was to squeeze out, the excess,Muslims from Narowal, Pasrur and Gujaranwala.who were 106,711. The fourth stage covered Khanewal, Kabirwala and Shorekot Tehsils.which again had a excess, of 168,343.Muslims.

The outflanks of the remaining portion of Rechana Doaba,Sumandari, Toba Tek Singh and Montgomery.drove a wedge in the Multan district.Tehsils.which left out Shujabad,lodhran mailsi,and the multan tehsil itself.

Mailsi,toba tek singh, and sumandari the most productive, and fertile had an excess muslim number of 212,885.

In other words,in the first stage, an excess Muslim number of 318,619 had to be handled.

(63,539+148,369+106,711 ).

in the second ,168,343 +212,885 = 381,228.

in the last , the excess Muslim number in, Lahore, Dipalpur, Kasur, Montgomery and daska,came to,347,681.

The answer, to all this was a massive transportation of muslims from these area’s, and an influx of non-muslim from the east.

It was proposed that;

The post war re settlement of the, to be, demobilised british indian army was to take place, the british punjab alone had provide 800,000. men.for the 2nd world war .here it was proposed that,the muslim soldiers of area’s which where to be part of india to remain in india,while the muslim soldiers of lands between chianab and beas to be settled west of chinab. or in the bahawalpur area.whereas, all non muslim soldiers be settled in the area between chinab and beas.it was, further suggested that, the state had some 150,000 acres of land in betwwen chinab and beas,under the ”baqaya” category,here a new scheme of 5 acre sink well , farm units(30,000) , be established, this way 120,000 non muslims could be adjusted. the colonization of thal and haveli area was on the table.as well establishment of new industerial area’s, to use the local raw materials.

-In the colonization of thal only, the proposed area was 2,053,096 acres.which included.an area of 380,686 acres,which were the crown lands.

however, the canal irrigated came to be only,831.000 acres,the mathematical working of rsss, was that a unit of 8 acre be made,for a family of 4 persons.in this way 415,500 persons could be fixed up. but when the full 1.2 million acres came under the canal irrigation as was expected.in the thal,the extra 369,000 acres could accomodate a further,184,500 more.a total of 600,000.

Hence it was suggested,that in the first three stage area’s, the major landowners where,

non muslims,all muslim tentants be turned out, in lieu of which on each square of land 10 non muslims be allowed to immigrate from east of sutlej regions,the land held by these land lords numbered 31,860 squares, or 796,500 acres. Hence 318,600 non muslims could be adjusted.from the various hindu and sikh states, east punjab or the united provinces. Besides this, a land grant of 78,000 acres only in the haveli project had been ear marked for the returning army men,it was requested by rsss,to the british to allow only hindu’ soldiers this grant.as in the same grant in a different catagory, 51,200 non muslims had just been granted lands in this scheme. It had been also suggested, to the british that,all muslim tentants,in nilli bar,haveli and bari doab canal colonies,be uprooted, and sent packing to,bahawalpur state in the vaccum, 150,000 non muslims could be adjusted.

As the majority of industrialist where non Muslim they too had been requested to immediately, set up colonies of 15,000 labour/workers in the new industerial zones and bring in non muslim labour,it was estimated that 100,000 men could easily come.

This was the solution to over come the one million strong Muslim majority factor in these area’s. It was hoped that only in one year all these changes could be done provided, the state cooperated with the RSSS. The point to note is, even after the ban on RSSS, the members of RSSS thrived in india. Atal Bihari Vajpayee was one of them, as were other statesmen of India, which shows in their policies and the statecraft,as well the forward policy of the indian government since 4th febuary 1948–the date RSSS was officially banned in India.

The Shuddhi, Sanghathan movements by Lala Lajpat Rai

  • [A] The aggressive Hinduism preached by the Arya Samaj was not political in its conception. That it has been strengthened by political considerations cannot, however, be denied.
  • [B] This is an appropriate place for examining the origin and bearings of the Shuddhi movement of which we have heard so much of late. The movement is as old as the Arya Samaj or even the Sikh religion. The Arya Samaj claims that the religion preached by it is universal religion, and aims at bringing the whole world under its banner. In this respect its claims are as ambitious and wide as those of Christianity and Islam. There was a time when the more orthodox section of the Arya Samaj used to proclaim from the housetops that they were non-Hindus; and that they were free to eat and drink and marry with non-Hindus; and that even Hindus should undergo a certain amount of Shuddhi before they could be admitted into the Arya Samaj.The other section, which was believed to be more political-minded, was opposed to all these claims of the Mahatma party of which Swami Shraddhanand (then Lala Munshi Ram) was the head. Shuddhi with the latter was purely the ritual of conversion, i.e., admission into their Church. It had no political significance whatsoever. For a time, Lala Munshi Ram’s party maintained this attitude, and some of them attempted to put into practice what they believed in theory. It was then that the now-famous Dharmpal was made a hero. Soon after, however, they found that by insisting on this idea and putting it into practice they were bound to lose the practical sympathy of the Hindu community. This they could not afford to do, as it was the general Hindu community that greased the various mills they [[208]] were running. So better counsels prevailed, and they changed their attitude.
  • [C] I know it as a fact, however (as I was an active member of the Arya Samaj then), that serious efforts were made even then. to bring the Malkana/21/ and other Rajputs of the United Provinces and Rajputana into the fold of the Arya Samaj. Some were actually so brought at Aligarh and in the neighbouring districts. The Malkanas, however, did not want to be “Aryas”; what they desired was to be re-admitted into their own caste, and brotherhood on equal terms. To this the orthodox Rajputs would not agree. So the matter remained in suspense for a number of years, until the orthodox Rajputs consented to take them in. What was at the back of the latter’s mind in this change of attitude, is also clear. It was the communal demands of the Muslim community, the policy of Mian Fazl-i-Husain and the Multan riots,/22/ which created the necessary atmosphere. The principle of Shuddhi has now been accepted by the Hindu Mahasabha, and I am free to confess that the idea at the back of this decision is partly political, pardy communal, and partly humanitarian, the latter element being more in evidence in the Shuddhi of the untouchables.
  • [D] It was, it must be confessed, only natural that the Muslims should be exasperated at this change in the attitude of the orthodox Hindus, because the change opens out an entirely new chapter in Indian history. The question raised by the movement is a fundamental one, and although one can understand and appreciate the Muslim point of view, one can see no way of stopping the movement as long. as non-Hindu agencies are free to carryon their proselytizing work. The movement has come to stay, and this fact should be philosophically accepted. That it has direct political bearings cannot be denied, and the only way to minimise its importance is to do away with communal representation. For the present, the decisions arrived at by the Delhi Unity Conference may be accepted as the final word in the matter./23/
  • [E] At this stage we might discuss the Sangathan [...] movements too. The Sangathan movement also (or to call it by its proper name, the Hindu Sabha movement) represents an old idea. The object was present to the mind of the founder of the Arya Samaj. But the Samaj signally failed to realise it, as it went [[209]] on developing its sectarian proclivities. I remember that when I was a student of the Lahore Government College in the early eighties, a Hindu Sabha was formed at the house of Raja Harbans Singh of Sheikhupura in Lahore. That Sabha died in its infancy. Then the movement was revived towards the end of the last century at the house of the late Lala Balmokand, Reis, Lahore. Even this organization, however, remained almost lifeless until the late R. B. Lal Chand put life into it.It has benefitted individual members, but it has done no good to the Hindu community as a whole. It had two formidable rivals: on the political side the Indian National Congress, on the socio-religious side the Arya Samaj. Fixed between these two mill-stones, it was never able to lift its head sufficiently high to be a success. The present movement is a reaction of the Hindu-Muslim situation. There is nothing in its aims and objects or its constitution that need make it anti-Muslim, but to be frank, the fact that it is anti-Muslim is the only thing that keeps it alive.The Khilafat Committees which were originally established to support the Khilafat agitation have regularly and systematically carried on a religious propaganda to which is directly traceable a part, at least, of the present bitterness between Hindus and Muslims. At Cocanada, it was given out that the Khilafat Committee would be used to organise the Indian Muslims./24/ Tanzim is its other name. It is obviously anti-Hindu.
  • [F] Personally, I would welcome both the movements, i.e., the Sanghathan and the Tanzim, if they could unite the different sections of the Hindus into one organization, in one case, and all the different sections of the Muslims, in the other; for then it would be a comparatively easy thing for the two main organizations to come to terms with each other. But the task is hopeless. In my judgment the only purpose which the two movements are likely to serve is to increase the already existing estrangement between the two communities. The Muslim movement is also intended to keep the Pan-Islamic movement going. One cannot help noticing, and noticing with regret, that while the Muslims do not open their purses for the relief of Indian sufferers from famine, floods, earthquakes, etc., and that while very little Muslim money is spent to improve the educational and economic condition of [[210]] Indian Muslims, thousands and lakhs [=hundreds of thousands] are sent abroad under one name or other. The phenomenon is confined to India. One finds no evidence of it in other Muslim nations like Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Sudan, Syria, etc., etc.
  • [G] As far as internal organization is concerned, both movements are bound to fail. The canker of sectarianism is as fatal in one case as in the other.
  • [H] In the case of Sanghathan, the Arya Samaj and the Sanatan Dharam Sabha will not allow it to flourish and succeed. They do not seem prepared to transfer any of their functions or influence to the Hindu Sabha. In the case of Tanzim, the different Muslim sects will not unite to let it be a success. Both the movements will, however, be much advertised though, to keep alive anti-Muslim feeling in one case, and the anti-Hindu feeling in the other.

 

NOTES

/21/ The Malkanas, who lived mostly in the U.P. districts of Agra, Aligarh, and Muthra, were originally Hindu Rajputs. They had accepted Islam but followed Hindu social customs. Arya Samaj missionaries made efforts to reclaim them to [the] Hindu fold, and Muslim missionaries worked in opposition to them.

/22/ Serious Hindu-Muslim riots took place at Multan in September 1922 in consequence of a dispute between the two communities arising out of the Muharram procession.

/23/ The part of the Resolution passed at the Unity Conference on 26 September 1924 dealing with Hindu-Muslim relations contained the following clause with regard to proselytising work–

‘That every individual or group is at liberty to convert or reconvert another by argument or persuasion, but most not attempt to do so, or prevent its being done, by force, fraud, or other unfair means, such as the offering of material inducement. Persons under 16 years of age should not be converted unless it be along with their parents or guardians. If any person under 16 years of age is found stranded without his parents or guardians by persons of another faith, he should be promptly handed over to persons of his own faith. There must be no secrecy about any conversion or reconversion.’

/24/ This was decided at the Khilafat Conference held at Coconada in Dec. 1923.

REF:

  • Socio-Religious Reform Movements in British India: Socio-Religious Reform Movements in British India, Volume III-I, by Kenneth W. Jones. Published by Cambridge University Press, 1987. ISBN 0521249864.
  • Shuddhi Movement in India: A Study of Its Socio-political Dimensions, by R. K. Ghai. Published by Commonwealth Publishers, 1990.
  • Hindu Nationalism: Origins, Ideologies and Modern Myths, by Chetan Bhatt. Published by Berg Publishers, 2001. ISBN 1859733484.
  • Religion in South Asia: Religious Conversion and Revival Movements in South Asia in Medieval and Modern Times, by Geoffrey A. Oddie. Published by Manohar, 1991. Chapter 10: Reconversion to Hinduism: The Shuddhi of the Arya Samaj. Page 215.
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  1. Megh Thapa · one year ago

    That’s the idea. You cowards are going to go down sooner or later. Why run away further from reality? Accept your destiny and we will be merciful to you.

  2. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    This email specimen should be saved for posterity and shown to apologists who think that this was a thing of the past!!

    Even though it is a fake name–let us save it to show the mentality.

    In the meantime–the author should read “Breaking India” and “Post-Hindu India”. Please note that Islam is the fastest growing religion in Bharat!

  3. Waqqas · one year ago

    @ Megh Thapa; To the contrary, your animalistan is going down next. Just now Afghan Mujahideen has Declared Victory: Full Formal Proclamation of Islamic Emirate’s Victory.

    Surely, they will exact full revenge from animal worshipers. Get ready for Hindu Ganga Kush. Perfect timing as per Hadith narratives.

    How it will be done? I would leave the guess work to your imagination.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  4. Valmik · one year ago

    Breaking india, freedom of baluchistan, jiye sindh, ttp, islamisation of india, blasts in mosques ,annhilation of vaziristan swat by drones, ganges hindu kush( new phrase no mountain are there plz) ,akhand bharat, pakasia, dinia any similarties? Any result? Sadly from above points applicable to pakistans are due to their own outstanding bravados and strong religious upbringing culture. Sorry if hurting any Euorpe understood what is war after two of them and formed european alliance and euro and become tourist destination also made america to nuke japan in past not germany twice . I hope South asians are treated at par in western world no distinction yes terrorism has put “my name is khan” on persona non granta . the low paid labour tag is there to stay on rear cheeks for south asians. Some and few Fare looking tall handsome pakistanis dont distinct yourself too.for western common man, hindus are dark stinking and job stealers, muslims are hijab clad beard scratching (highly educated in shanty madrassa) pilots landing in side towers and blast happy ppl As long as South asians will think of welfare of them and their neighbours in hatred manner as stated by me in beginning, this region will attract poverty penuary blood shed water bombs nuclear threats corruption arm deals kick backs inflation hatf agni azam e nau yoddha. You have no crude oil neither you produce jobs for world south asians either you fight locally or go abroad and earn dollars and flaunt once an year in your home town what else ?Indians pakistani clash and bleed, chinese smile in their tiny eyes and applaud, chinese indians pakistani bleed uncle sam laughs and sleeps in peace. And when entire earthlings are at war, aliens rellsh, rejoice Beware south asians by and large dont be part of grt games which will end in radiation.

  5. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Recipe for peace:

    So forget about Akhand Bharat, stop the terror against Pakistan, accept Afghanistan as Pakistani hinterand, liberate the enslaved Muslims and Dalits, withdraw from Kashmir, Sir Creek, Siachin, Junagarh, and Manvadar, give back Hyderabad its independence, give Pakistan the assets that were due to it in 1947, apologize for 1971 and pay reparations.

  6. Sanjeev Mishra · one year ago

    Correction Islam is not the fastest growing religion in India.

  7. Valmik · one year ago

    Let us finish it Apologise and pay compensation to hindus who were forced to come to india. arrest and handover who killed and sent corpse trains to india in 47. Apologise for all crimes killing and looting done by all mughal rulers frm aurangzeb salim babar khilji kasim ghouri to bin kasim. Hand over taxila mohenjo daro harappa vacate all sar jamin and allow all buddhist and hindus sikhs to relocate. ( An apology letter by pakistani president mentioning, we ppl of pakistan humbly request all buddhists and hindus to grant us amnesty for atrocities commited by our ancestors and we assure that we will refrain our self from doing same again we will follow our religion of aman or get Shudhi done and embrace buddhism) btw indian muslims are already short of land and have ocupied your demanded places. You can divert american donations khirapat for this noble cause.

  8. Valmik · one year ago

    All things will be settled as per shimla agreement 1971. Now ok?

  9. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    If you believe in Simla, then return Kargil and Siachin which were Pakistani territory in Simla.

    We don’t accept any Simla.

    You violated Simla by taking over Kargil and then Siachin.

    Don’t mention Simla

  10. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Dont hold your breath! All this is nonsensical propaganda.

    Taxila, Moenjodaro were never yours to begin with.

    Your ilk decimated Buddhism and Jainism in the land of its birth, destroying Abhisara’s (Kashmir’s) Buddhist monasteries. There is archaeological evidence that under Ayodha temple there are animal sacrifices and a Buddhist temple..and so on ans so forth.

    Bharat is the largest recipient of foreign aid in the world. It still gets $500 million per year from the UK. Japan is its biggest donor. Of course your temple indoctrination wont show you that.

    Indian Muslims are short of space–they will make their own space–since Islam is the fastest growing religion in Bharat….don’t worry, the Post-Hindu India is near..Read Dr. Koncha.

    YOu can’t even write English, or format it properly…forget about syntax.

  11. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    It is

  12. Valmik · one year ago

    Lahore declaration, agra summit?

  13. manish · one year ago

    you are just another zaid hamid, though in print.

  14. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Lahore Declaration was good–but Bharat didnt comply, Agra Summit was sabotaged by the fundos in Bharat and never signed.

  15. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Zaid is a disciple!!!! LOL! Just kidding!

    Why? Didn’t like the facts about what happened in the 20s? Does it burst your bubble because it is contrary to your temple indoctrination

  16. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    SHUDDHI movement got SHATTERED;
    Dear Akhbar bhai, quite informative indeed. Will only make 2 corrections –no apology.
    British godfathered the “hindu aryan enterprise” for sure you are aware. It was biblical aryans theory that wellcomed the british aryans as ” huindu’s brothers’”–towards reconversion/expusion ala spain–many references ( few in my book).
    Even before the the birth of congress ( 1885), Bankim catterji rose as the GOD FATHER of hindu nationalism;remember his VANDE MARARAM-that preaches ( in Anandmath)OPEN VIOLENCE against muslims ( my book p 244).
    Shuddhi was opposed by mainline hindus”sanatana, dharma”;Hindu must have a cast to be proper hindu; A convert cnnot be granted a caste–it is by birth;SO there is no conversion.THUS only aryan samajis joined the shudhi movement–later on shattered by the brahmins. BUT in past Brahmins would convert european/central asians ( before lsam) to chattri/warrior class. In this scheme india being home to all humans, those immigrants/invaders were accepted as ” FALLEN CHATTRIAS”–returnig/reverting hindus.
    You seem to give credit to Sarvarker whose first book ( banned by british) had preaced hindu-muslim unity and continuation of moghal rule. This book on causes of failure of mutiny ( from Holland) was banned and gradually SARVARKER was bought up by british to chnge the course; then he became an ardent hindu nationalist.

  17. Valmik · one year ago

    1)Lahore declaration. kargil mischief nawaz sharif goes to america china to and fro. Hapless pakistani dead bodies buried deep inside indian kargil as humane gesture by indian army. Indian shaheed soldiers receive full military honours with cremation/burial in native place and familys getting full dues.2)Agra summit sabotaged by indian fundamentalist hence musharaf is afraid he may have to stay at his birth place in delhi for ever. Hon akhbar navees sir ji what happened in 20s if at all should start again which is necessary to resolve your long standing issues.We indians bharatis may even allow you sir to get the shuddhi done as good will gesture. You may find it hard to digest due to your madrassa teachings but it is true so accept it.

  18. Waqqas · one year ago

    It is very amusing, Valmik is changing his tone and showing his true colors as per your say of, ‘Temple indoctrination’ and Hindu Media Brainwashing.

    Such is the power of controlled media that makes gullible blind, deaf and dumb.

    ‘Rumor’ used to have a bad reputation. In Shakespeare’s plays it is assumed that “rumors” mean artful lies and the spreading of detailed but false accounts of victory and defeat..Patric Cockburn.

    So far when Jews were running as Gazelle they survived. The Lions that hunted Gazelle also survived. The problem comes when Gazelle tried to roar like a Lion…Uri Avnery.

    This Gazelle now is not only roaring like a Lion, but has mastered the art of spreading Lies. The Hindus has become the Gazelle of modern day era.

    The end result is apparent to ponderer that has bird eye view of past and present history.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  19. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Bravo! Another product of temple indoctrination. Your Tricolored Hollywood based rendition of Kargil leaves much to be desired.

    keep singing Jan Man Gan Adhee na yak…it doesn’t change reality

    >>sir ji what happened in 20s if at all should start again which is necessary to resolve your long standing issues.We indians bharatis may even allow you sir to get the shuddhi done as good will gesture.

    ..and this is the educated Bharati speaking. …my liberal friends at Brown Pundit should take notice. Omar Ali will not believe that this is a genuine post…unfortunately it is

    Dr. Jamil–this is your average Valimik speaking. Doesn’t it blow your mantra of “peace” and shanit–when these vultures take pride in the holocaust of the Muslims in the 20s–Spielberg where is “Sehezad’s list” then now in Gujarat. How many Gujarats will show you the truth about these people.

    Maybe we should re-publish the truth about Kargil.

  20. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    I am sure mainstream Germans also opposed the holocaust, but there were not enough Germans to stop the murder of six million Jews. Today the burning of 3000 Muslims in Gujarat irks the State Department to disallow a visa to Modi–nothing else–”burq girtee hai to hum baicharay musalmannoun pur”.

    Your constant denial of facts about the Muslim holocaust is amazing and reeks of some agenda somewhere. Why dont you call a spade a spade. Modi tried the same thing in Gujarat—where millions are not allowed to return–and you make apologies for those who continue to perpetuate violence against the innocent.

    Hilter may have said some good stuff about the Jews too. Who cares. Who really gives a rats ass what Sarvarkar said in his first book. His entire body of work is Islamphobic, racist and bigoted. He caused the death of millions, and about 1.5 5o 3 million Muslims suffered torture, death and conversion…and you talk about this doggone first book.

    Those who condone th violence are complicit in it.

  21. Valmik · one year ago

    Hon. Abdul jamil khan a noted indian muslim historian is immaterial to this debate.unfortunate gujrat riots did happen as reaction to godhra carnage of burning hindu females, children in railway by sir,your followers. Sir you and your nation is state of denial lets us summarise 1)71 war you lost ,you denied to your ppl over years, now you accept and write 71 SURRENDER WHY? 2)Kargil is what world knows you deny.3)26/11 what world knows you deny,4)OBL is what world, your masters did you deny.Sir, denial of global truths is the essence and spirit of you and sadly your nation.You fear that acceptance may deny your rights to enslave and rule your own ppl. More over sir you the vultures, lion skinned hyenas aka rupee news mullahs have altogether different attitude towards peace and towards all dark brown ppl aka gazelles of india and subcontinent this shows your concept of fare skinned supremacy. To conclude the debate frm my end let me offer and old story of a farmer his son and a female beast. Female beast falls in love for farmers son and goes and asks farmer her to marry farmers son and her various demands. Farmer tells her to get rid of her claws and teeth. Female beast obliges farmer kicks her and she is driven back to cave. Female beast weeps cries begs for farmers son for years. Lastly her head finds a place as trophy in farmers hall. Assalamu alequoom khuda hafiz.

  22. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    All your questions have been answered, regurgitating the same old venom is useless

    1971 Pray tell–where did you get your information? Let us guess–from the temple indoctrination!
    Events of 1971: The only thing a temple indoctrinated Bharati can do is harp upon 1971–forgetting August 14th, 1974, when the Indian agent was killed, and his body thrown in the streets for days–the Indian Rakhi Bahni sent packing back to Delhi.
    Most Indians are extremely proud about the export of its terror to Pakistan in the 70s. Bharat’s Rakhi Bahni massacred 1 million Non-Bengalis in Bangladesh. If the Indian sponsored LTTE terrorists had been successful in creating a Hindu Tamil state in Lanka-these very same people would have been ecstatic. If the Delhi sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the Chakma Republic Indians would be overjoyed. If the Bharati sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the republic of Tibet—Delhi would be in high heaven. Bharatis are very proud of the terror tactics of the Mukti Bahni–which had recruited 80,000 Hindus (General Manekshaw’s biography). The Mukti Bhani dressed as Pakistani soldiers ravaged Muslim Bengal—blaming Pakistan. Then Bharat sent terrorists into the Chittagong Hill tracts into its former ally. Delhi cries like a baby on terror in Mumbai—but Bharatis are very proud of sending armed terrorist into a sovereign countries in Nepal, China, Lanka and Pakistan.

    In 1975 the Bangladesh leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated in a military coup. India lost a close ally and much of the strategic gains made in the 1971 war. Looking back 1971 was a catastrophe for Bharat—it ended it s hegemony in South Asia and it forced Pakistan to go Nuclear. In the late 1980s Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi thought it was possible to impose peace in Sri Lanka’s ethnic conflict under the India-Sri Lanka Accord. He sent a large military force to the island state. It did not work out as had been intended. On the contrary, the feeling was reinforced among neighbors that India was behaving like the “big brother.” (Deepak Tripathi, former BBC correspondent, is a writer on the US, great power relations, South and West Asia. His latest book “Breeding Ground: Afghanistan and the Origins of Islamist Terrorism” is published this month by Potomac Books, Incorporated, Washington, DC.)
    Bangladeshis today are slowly coming to terms with why 1971 and in time you will see the creation of greater Bangladesh or even a Bangistan.
    I can understand your anger at Pakistan afterall we tore you apart in 1947 then took half of Kashmir the following year!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPCc4XoOXs

    How many wars did India start? Well lets start with the invasion of Junagarh, and Manvadar, then the “Police Action” in Hyderabad, then threatening the 560 states with war unelss they joined the Indian Union–then the occupation of Kashmir with ostensibly at the behest of fraudulent Article of Accession which India now claims is lost (if it ever existed–then the invasion of Sikkim, and the attempt to take over Bhutan and capture Tibet. Then the attempt to absorb Nepal. Of course the 80,000 Hindu terrorists sent into Muslim Bengal in 1971 stands out as the worst act of terror in the century. The invasion of Lanka and Maldives. The attempt to invade Pakistan in 1998, 2002, 2008, 2010–should we go on?

    Bharati terrorism: The 80,000 Hindus that were sent to Muslim Bengal in 1970 weren’t singing Kambaya. The LTTE was a wholly owned subsidiary of the RAW–and it backfired ending up in the assassination fo Rajiv Gandhi. The terrorists were also sent to Tibet which ended up Bharat getting thrashed by China in 1962. Bharati terrorists also entered Hyderabad and destroyed the state even though the Razakars (joint Hindu Muslim force) put up a valiant struggle. Bharati terrorists also took over Sikkim and tried to take over Bhutan. Bahrati terrorists also tried to make trouble for the elected leadership of Nepal and is stil not allowing Prachanda to take power in Kathmandu. Bharati terrorists are also busy in Balochistan supporting the BLA–where Brhanas Bugti has a Bharati passport. He was recently evicted from Kabul

    Khrushchev had red-lined Peshawar and threatened to obliterate Peshawar and Pakistan. The old story goes that on 17th December 1971 during the bleakest period of Islamabad’s history, the Kremlin sent a viscous telegram informing the Pakistanis that those who mess with the Soviets face a horrid end. The story also gos that on 17th December 1991, the day the USSR collapsed, the Pakistanis sent a mirror image of the old telegram back to Moscow, informing them that those who mess with Pakistan face an ignominious end–the Soviet Empire disintegrated after the USSR was defeated in Afghanistan.
    Pakistani mujahideen destroyed the Soviet Union—it may take a few more years, but Bharat will face the same ignominious future.

  23. Valmik · one year ago

    Every nation religion will break new nations will evolve .stars dies to form new planets. Your my nation is no exception now or later or how bloody it is a question. In case of USSR your nation, sir did what a parrot or say a bunder says does sitting on arm of his owner or madari aka usa. Brave afghans fought and you sir were only kapde samhalo factions. Bangladesh brihot bongal is for you like tibet for indian tibetans or sindh for hindu sindhis. Just dream repent and clarify and find one million graves as you claim. A staunch widow leader you say her matahari in your culture made your knees touch grounds and nothing else. What india does did in sikkim nepal srilanka maldives bangla desh is not sinful as you cry. Sir our nations size and boundaries burdens us for this. Take chinas example. Surprisingly sir your nation of four borders terrorises world and keeps worlds most wanted jihadi in abbotabad. Are not you over ambitious. Forget about our hyderabad cry for nizam only or make him your citizen of your hyderabad. And please dont torture poor baluchis so much that they form their own. And for tibet, sir your knowledge of helping china at aksai chin will definately bring dividends at unwanted times and form for entire rejoin. Tibets issue is deadlier than kashmir sir in terms of human rights. You cry for kashmir not for tibet sir not for xinziang, uighurs sir? You are already messing there and geting gd black blue. You sir neither go for full fledged shariat or full communism only blasphemy for minorities sir. Dont do that pl follow true islam and shariat as per UAE. Then you may be true champions of islam sir. Or sir sadly u may have to bear pre hindu or buddhist tag as we remind you often as often you tell us abt our religions age and origin.

  24. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    Angered hindus/muslims;
    That is what is aparently clear from these commentaries.Historical forces though a dynamic power moves on to the next phase. This will be most likely determined by ” money/power” and not by hindu/muslim nationalists. Power equation though is imbalnced favouring pakistan not because of it being a muslim state but by its stretegic location.
    We just have to watch and see. Peace train is though is in motion and pushed by indian wall street that feels choked;trades routes have to open up to west.

  25. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    So the trade routes opened by the East India Companies of Britian, Spain, Portugal, France, and even Sweden led to peace? Trade doesn’t resovle issus, it exacerbates them. Trade and Money are irrelevant in international relations and politics. With all due respect, all emphasis on trade is called “banya” thinking. Despite $60 billion “trade” where China is essentially mining Bharat for raw materials, and then turning them around with value added labor and reselling the materials at exorbitant price–the Chinese and Bharati spheres of influence are different and cannot be reconciled in the near future.

    Trade and politics is never the same. They compete. France invaded Egypt to cut of trade routes for Britain. Britian did trade with the Mughals and sensing weakness took over Bengal.

    I really don’t get the concept of “trade will fix relations” bit.

  26. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Cant really understand what you are saying–if anyone else gets this, please translate into English or Urdu

  27. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    Politics is for making money.
    If you go back abt 3000 yrs when north indian surpluses were traded by 3 great passes via pak.afgh to mideast/europe.south india had mainely used sea routes to west;indian textiles were evident in egypt and babylon. Thus any one controlling red sea/persian gulf had the real power.In the north Iran had been able to choke off and demnded more and more.
    Tracking it from Gaznavid time, you know that Kandhari hindu horse importer ( horse was motor car then) had funded mehmood to destroy Gujrati importers using sea. Mehmood’s attacks are well known-war is for plunder and he was smart to controll pakistan area while the hindu rajas of Kanauj/delhi/ajmer etc had to pay him tribute.After his death his kids ran his great empire for 200 yrs.He had no time to convert but did fund great leaning and Alberuni and Firdausi were his jewls/noble laureate;( read abt his scholarships in Romilla thaper).
    Remember, it was NO HINDU/vs MUSLIM tussle;it was money/politics. MOney and politics brought his rival ( NOT HINDU) but muslim Mohd Gauri from west; THERE was NO HINDU VS MUSLIM war here; IT was Gauri group of invaders vs the defenders Afg/pak area by Ghaznavids army of hindu/muslimsoldiers. After Gaurids you have series of invaders from west, khiljis, tamelane, and finally Baber.In Baber vs Lodi you do have the same principle older regime vs nwe commers from west. ALL for money not ISLAMIC GLORY; Baber killed many 1000s muslim/hindu defenders. Then you examine the Mafia like IRAN, dependent on indian exports. Always twisting indian arm for more/more. Look at Humanyun who got support of Iran;s 12000 soldiers to regain north india again. Then you come to NADIR shah killing muslims/hindu civilians in panjab/delhi and taking away 70 crore cash and kohinoor along with 1000s of masons to build a replica of Chadni chowk.
    Brtish did the same by helping mughal shipping as IRAN had landblocked north india; and rest is well known history. SO pakistan in essence is like GHAZNAVID north west controlling trade ways as well as future gaslines/pipelines.railines;MOST vital for india’s future; Without peace INDIA will collapse in the long run as Mughal had collapsed by persian blockage. Pakistani army and politicians as well as indians know this for sure.
    This is the basic calculus of south asia and the rest hindu/muslim nationalism and associated self glory/pity is for public consumption.

  28. Valmik · one year ago

    To honourable abdul jamil khan saheb sorry to intervene but again, sir you chant magic mantra of demise, collapse and end of india, in every article sir strikingly you are hand cuffed or on gun point to chant it. Despite having so much knowledge of history and patience of explaining the history as frm ur perspective , sir why you dream that muslim invaders will rout india?. and now gas pipe line rail line, straight line, curve line if not available frm north west, will bust india. Sir tell me crude oil is transported via sea which we have. Gas is gd but indias end on not geting TAPI is a laughing stock. Sir you say witout peace india will collapse. Sir are you camouflaging dar ul urum and dar ul harsh.? Sir i again ask you, is end of india your dream/ your inability/ bond with mother land / your agreement with RNM/ or time machine effect of feeling of being in mughal era. Do your mantras hold ancient rishi or sadhus power? It will hurt sir to me while being rough with you sir but i hope your reply if any may unfold the truth. irshaad.

  29. Waqqas · one year ago

    @ Valmik; By virtue of India’s internal and external policy, India will self destruct. But, self-destruction is not prophesied. It will be destroyed by Muslim army coming from west.

    Dr. Jamil Khan is relating the ultimate future result of India in relation to policies that she is conducting and following as encouraged by the Zionist, as they need to neutralize Pakistan and Afghanistan (Khorasan).

    Dr. Sahib is not a Rishi, but surely he can foresee the end result of Indian calculation and ms-adventure.

    The Pakhtuns ( Lost Tribe of Israel-Jacob but now Muslims ) will join the promised one to liberate Jerusalem. Thus the preemptive attack on Afghanistan on false concocted charges. Pakhtuns have defeated the mighty nations alliance and soon will march towards Jerusalem. Before that event take place. The Muslim armies and Pakhtuns will liberate Kashmir and bring to chain the ruling Chauvinist Hindu Brahmins of India. Bye Bye 30 million animal god worshiper, female baby killer, bride burning, alcohol consumer, India.

    Am I prophesying the above…..Nope….It is prophesied in sayings of Prophet (pbuh) aka as Hadiths and the whole Muslim Ummah is aware of it. It is written by DIVINE and so shall it be done. Insha’ALLAH.

    In the mean time, have fun debating the possibilities.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  30. Valmik · one year ago

    Imported religion aka hinduism a life style has evolved over years. It has given birth to sikkhism jainism buddhism and so on. It allows other religions to co exist, the model of india where all major religion grow and co exist is a matter of pride for us and for world. India has a prophecy of bright future. Waqqas saheb your forecast tally with mayans nostradamus keiro and bhavishya purana too? It is not your fault. Sadly wrong intepretations have forced you and your alikes for such future. Western ppl have changed world for last century turning mauraders looter barbaric muslim ppl into guatanamo bay water boarders and drone receivers . this is the future which eagerly awaits you sir. Moreover india is ready for mmlenchhas as more as they try to seep. Assalam alequoom

  31. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Oops!

    Hindusism has nothing to do with Jainim and Buddhism. Buddhism is monotheistic, and Hinduism is polytheistic. Nothing in common, other than what was stolen from Buddhism

    >>Moreover india is ready for mmlenchhas as more as they try to seep

    Here is the crux of the Hindu mentality which we call temple indoctrination. Nothing can take away the bigoted hatred towards the “Malich” (everyone else)

  32. Valmik · one year ago

    Sir this is crux of hindu mentality mandir doctirination. Yes it is . for last many years i have not been to mandir but your likes throng your worship places aka anti india aqua closets. What is said is reaction to the gurgle and vomit of waqqas ji and clan. Pure reaction. None has to go to any mandir for reaction. Moreover you seem to have indepth knowledge of madir bearing and pagan jainism buddhism. Both and more such religions co exist in india. As for islam sadly certain features make it in acceptable to india and rest of world as you know and accept. You can claim vice versa. Where as for “mllenchhas” the invaders from north west any good phrase you propose? Certainly like to hear more on this . Assalam alequuom

  33. Waqqas · one year ago

    @ Valmik; India’s bright future is apparently witnessed when one land at any of toilet airport a k a Indian airport. Bad and evil smell pours in as the attendant opens the airplane exit door.

    “Waqqas saheb your forecast tally with mayans nostradamus keiro and bhavishya purana too?”….is your statement. So shall it happen, Insha’ALLAH. Not because the adulterer (Nostradamus) or Mayans predicted it. It is the saying of Final Messenger to the Universe about the worst nation on the face of earth, a k a BhaRAT.

    Western people are same as I or you. They have not change one bit. Their special interest Government, however tried to impose satanic rule over the Muslim masses, and guess what?….They are running away from the raggaty taggaty flip flop Muslim Mujjahideen in Afghanistan and NWFP of Pakistan. So far for the mighty empire that only knows how to harm innocent, captives or prisoners against all the international laws as you have delightfully mentioned of water-boarding and droning, but run, when faced with real fighters. This future is not awaiting, you bigoted FOOL, it is the past, present and future and Muslim welcomes it, until there is no more injustices anywhere in the world and every body will be treated equally regardless of religious persuasion and race unlike the caste system of barbaric BhaRAT that kills its own female babies, burn its bride for greed, do not let widows seek husband but are used as prostitutes, kills Dallit by Millions, Christians, Muslims, Sikh alike for no reason but to prove Brahamic murderous racist superiority. Thus far, as I wrote previously, you have seen allied mighty nations run in defeat from Afg / Pak, so wait then, BhaRAT is next, Insha’ALLAH.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  34. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    Dear Valmiki ji,
    It is impolite to question anyone’s bonding to motherland dear Valmikj.One major problem in many of you comments is the difference in our focuss. I am fixated for good/bad on pathetic conditionof common man of south asia and a profoud insensitivity of muslim/hindu elites “call it brahmanism”, for these poor folks are branded as ” DIVINE lower caste/class”–somewhere abt 80% plus.
    The disease is worst/rooted in brahmanic hinduism as Divinely self appointed agents of GOD have exploited them for 1000s of yrs.
    I do know i cannot change hinduism and so India will remain static socially with play of self pity/self glory and fear of western invasion–. Read Bankim chandra’s anand math/vande mataram to get a flavour of ” dread of muslim” the guy has preached in hindu mind in 1880s.
    Now Valmiki ji, as a 4-5 th grader i used to draw full undivided indian map in 1946-7 and still consider india and pak as 2 units of HINDUSTAN as i dont see any difference of culture–i will request your indulgence to my book–please;try to learn and reorient your self and see thinks differently. There is always another point of view–. SO i see the history and geography of this area from Kabul to calcutta as ONE wholesome and that is hard fact;Muslim/hindu/buddist rulers dont come into this calculus; all rulers are corrupt/exploitative.
    Here we see cycles of disintegration/reintegrations going back to 300 BC ( GREEK TIME);we have no records prior to that and what ever we know is pretty much cooked by British as has been loudly peoclaimed by Rupee news and seconded by Dr Romilla thaper, the most renowned of moderen historians.
    As said before without a united hindustan, the equation remains imbalnced; forces always arise ( read history) under one or the other pretext to balance the equation; And soon after union disintegration forces get busy; these cycles are in the order of 100 yrs or so.
    As vivekanand ji has clearly remarked, Brahmins of this land are always re4ady to cooperate with new invaders; they served as advisors translaters and teach them indian statecraft; ONe example was muslim periods ( read dr Tarachand) where Brahmins excelled in arabic/persian and dominated the administrative and educational scene and run the hindu law court; this by the way continued in british period as well.This really had been the major handicapp in defending india from foreign invaders, who had loved to maintain “HINDU WAY ” of life; Of course prior to 700 Ad foreigner became hindus ( rajputs ) but after that a new religion came for good/bad. Swami viveka nand is very explicit in this; he was a Kayastha and not a graet darling of many Brahmins–as he too hated ” GOD GIVEN” cast system/matempsychosis of manu.
    I pretty much believe what i say;distastefull to many youg pple both hindus and muslims; Muslim upper cast/class clearly are mirrior image.
    You seem to balk on accepting Pakistan’s strategic position in controll of all ways( rail,gas,road,pipe etc); you feel india will always depend on sea route; You are entitled for your opinion. BUT history repeats due to geo strategic reallities. Thing abt pakistan linked to west via fast rail track to china,mideast europe ( very likely in next 10-20 yrs). Do you think that India will continue to use airplains and sea route always ? and why ?
    NOW think abt war/terrorism; In a all out war without nuclear weapons, india will defeate pakistan and will have to place a pro indian govt there for open friend ship and trade and stop bomaby type terrorism. Let us assume pakistan wins by chance it will recapture north india again–to repeat the history. THE net result will be a demise of ” HINDU dominated ” india, a dream of british and hindu nationalist who planned and executed the partition game.
    Also look this entire area from a different perspective. If the entire area becomes 100% muslim or 100% huindu, the cycles of dis and re integration will stay on course. In 1947 we got into a distegration mode and are in motion, and you/i cannot stopit; This book ” breaking india” reflects the fear/realities of history. Read books even distaste full to your conscience–you always learn some thing from every thing.
    I certainely enjoy your comments, a reflection of hindu nationalist agenda.Hope i have not hurt the feelings of a great Brahmin ” CHITPAVAN” variety to which india’s greatest leader BG TILAK had belonged.

  35. Valmik · one year ago

    Honourable Abdul jamil khan saheb “Gustakhi muuaf par aapki khaamoshi kuuch hazam nahi ho rahi hai” kuuchh farmaiye. Tasliim.

  36. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    >>Now Valmiki ji, as a 4-5 th grader i used to draw full undivided indian map in 1946-7 and still consider india and pak as 2 units of HINDUSTAN as i >>dont see any difference of culture

    Wow! Dr. Jamil–is that you or someone writing under your name. Good thing the truth really came out!

  37. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Buddhism exists in India? Wow! This is a revaluation. By “exists” you mean survives in some slivers do you? So Hindusim is a minority religion in Abhisara and all of India? and Buddhism is a dominant religion!

    Either you are delusional, or you are deliberately obfuscating the facts. Your ecumenical equanimity would send chills up the spine of Buddha.

    >>Where as for “mllenchhas” the invaders from north west any good phrase you propose?

    Yes of course, but your blinders can never read or accept that. It is called PAKistani, the pure people–a slap in the face of those of you who think of Pakistanis as this that or the other…LOL

    In the 21st century, this mentality still exists. It was these same malichs that ruled you for a thousand years.

    You are looking down while you are typing. your may have forgotten the slums where you came from.

    [caption id="" align="alignright" width="150" caption="The Mosque domes are the shields of Muslims--Grim reminder to Hindu extremists of 1000 years of humiliation when the Muslims ruled all of Hindustan"]Jama Masjid is the largest mosque in India. De...[/caption]

    [caption id="" align="alignleft" width="150" caption="The massive Muslim minarets the the bayonets of the Musalmans--ubiquitous on the Bharati skyline"]Minaret of the Badshahi Mosque[/caption]
  38. Valmik · one year ago

    For getting rail road links with europe middle east and else pakistan’s own house should be set first. Strategic locations can be bypassed. Air embargo made india and pakistan to elude each others territories while flying. India may be intrested in af. But if pakistan blocks it, india will show no interest. Indian ppl is main power of india. Any where you wont find this much except china. If you have ever come to india on any mission you may have tried mumbai locals too waqquas saheb let them be stinky, road squatters who ever they are. They will and they are transforming. Hon. abdul jamil khan saheb, an ordinary or elite indian muslim, hindu or else will never think to slightest that india should loose war and enemy capture its mother land. The bombs and bullets of any kind dont make distinction based on religion. By chance pakistan wins war, how? Ok it can play 26 11 akshardham parliament attack ok it can say hoorahey . But for long lasting intercourse aka war, where is the manpower assets , depth,indigeneous weapons.All out nuclear war will dry up northen indian subcontinent still south left. How it may happen. Indians will keep pakistan after any nuke kiss? What is second strike capacity? We have nth times strike capacity given our patience. terrorism can make ppl stay in homes but not for long time. Sir abdul jamil khan saheb my categoric question based on bond with mother land is not impolite but is a right to ask and appeal as sir you identify yourself as from one of us. If it was not so there was no such question. And surely its not hindu nationalism. It is pure nationalism you may name it any. Sir i appreciate your knowledge of BG tilak’s roots.

  39. Valmik · one year ago

    And akhbar bhai, we can also show minarets and mosque photos built with contribution of hindus muslims and others. Dont try to become champion of islam.india has more than you can built mosques and mandirs you may break or hate. It was not islam who ruled india it was foreigeners who fled poached and set their own ghetto north west.

  40. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    Dear Akhbar bhai;
    It is very clear from my work that i regard hindustan as one culture and one unit and i dont hide my position. i also say very loudly that HINDUSTAN is not HINDU religious culture but purely secular/regional entity; HINDUS aparently have impounded it as theirs.THEY deny their origin from evolution out of ” africa/mideast”.Also i make it clear that so called ” arab mideast” is the cradle of man and currently is sold as ” islamic culture”–you have read my work; you dont have to agree with me.
    As you quote correctly that hindu nationalist pushed/succeeded in TNT/partition ; this elaborated in my work with all references.
    They really wanted an exclusive space to promote ” hindu /india glory” as unique, peaceloving highly scientific most ancient civilization– that was destroyed by ” uncultured muslim invaders”.
    See my ref of Gandhi who said ” we will resume the aryan-nation rebuilding again” after swaraj.
    BUT as said, this was all wrong boastfull. OFF course my stand irks hindu nationalist most; and indian muslims too as they too behave like their hindu ancesters–and promote hindu type vedic democracy in pakistan too.
    SO bhai, at my age i dont hide my inner voice/faith. Still when i make a map i draw a full india and then try to find the line;here i make mistake and some times even include Delhi in pakistan and at other time exlcude Lahore from pakistan;I did fail in geography and that is why i got into medicine.

  41. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    >>It is very clear from my work that i regard hindustan as one culture and one unit and i dont hide my position.

    With all due respect, we humbly disagree with that notion.

    Pakistanis and Indians are two nations. We have nothing in common with the Hindus. There is deep animosity and real or perceived wrongs between us, that continue to define the future. We dress differently, eat differently, read different languages, their heroes are our villains, our bad guys are their icons, they have harmed us for the past several centuries and continue to harm us on a daily basis, we marry differently, and mourn differently, and pray differently. Our outlook in life is different, we socialize differently, have different friends and enemies. NOTHING in common, what is common is at least at a very superficial level. Read any Indian paper and it will be full of venom about Pakistan–scratch that the you will find an Islamphobe. Those who don’t say is are hiding it–get a drink in them, or get them behind a keyboard and you will find their real intentions and their real self.

    You can continue to harp on Akhand Bahrat–your book has that theme too, but it will not change Gujarat or Kashmir.

    One of the few and rare words of sanity in the Bharati media

    http://www.tehelka.com/story_main51.asp?filename=Ws210112Asia.asp

  42. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Dont talk about…Bharat up-keeping mosques? Give me a break. You guys destroy mosques.

    Muslim ruled South Asia for a thousand years. Learn it, think about it, digest it and accept it. Living in denial wont get you anywhere.

    Case in point–look at the pictures of Badshahi Mosque and the Lahore Mosque–both built at the exact same time–the ravishes of the Sikha Shahi not withstanding. Look at the condition of the mosque is Dlehi—it is dilapidated, and a wreck, almost disintegrating…lok at the picture of the Lahori Mosque, upgraded, air conditioned, vibrant and full of

  43. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Dont understand what you said–your syntax is really bad. Use full sentences not fragments.

    A sentence has beginning and an end.

    Without formatting and punctuation, we dont get what you are saying, and wont publish gibberish in the future

  44. Valmik · one year ago

    Hon. Abdul jamil saheb, i can see what a mohajir had and is facing in pakistan. The rapport between you and likes of akhbar bhai endorses it. Sir you mention of jamir aka inner voice aka antar atma. I can feel it. Sir india needs you physically and hope you will be here.fortunately Atleast you are continents away frm these hooligans .The lines are clearly drawn between core hard line anti india , anti world sphoradic pakistani and likes of you. These will rein as much as u get on their side. They are few venomous, treacherous lineage of alamgggir jinda pir. Your knowledge and indepth history analysis is worthy for akhbar bhai clan till sadly you chant “fall of india ,fall of india, fall of india”. The moment it stops a halal shoe is thrown. Assalam alequoom gustakhi muaaf.

  45. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    We simply report the news.

    Occasionally we burst the bubble when some begin to get bigger than their shoes, and start getting a swollen head. It is only then that we cut them to their real size. The Bharati media used to have a spectrum of analysis and reporting. With the expansion of the large media houses, it is totally mired in “groupthink” and parrots the temple indoctrinated lines which dare not antagonize the BJP, RSS, VHP thugs. When we show the mirror to the chest thumping champions of the Slumdog Superpower, the cannot handle the truth, and begin screaming foul!

    Even Noam Chomsky disparaged the Bharati media complaining about the fact that it is biased and it is not fair or balanced.

    Bharat used to have a spectrum of historical points of view. Today, it is all lumped into the history of South Asia as written by the Indian National Congress or as revised by the BJP bigots. At least the INC version had some regard for other religions, as long as the belonged to the INC. Under the new version of history, all are villeins, unless they are certain color of Saffron.

    It is absolutely astounding to me that a well read person like Dr. Jamil was not aware of the excesses of the Shuddi movement–even though Yogi Shikund reported on it. He doesn’t get space in the Bharati media, and his voice gets drowned. It is amazing that the learned doctor was not aware that the Lahori Mosque had been converted into a stable of horses and all but destroyed. it took us hundreds of words and actual pictures to show him. And this is an educated man…what about the rest…they dont know.

    It is very different in Pakistan. The spectrum of the media is wider and larger and allowed to flourish. The Nation exists and gives is narration in a patriotic manner. Dawn and Daily Times are very liberal papers who espouse stories that are closer to the Hindu than anything else. This version of history is closer to what Dr. Jamil talks about. However there are other versions available in Pakistan, the JI version, the Muslim League version and the PPP version of events. Many other version run in parallel and are discussed all the time.

    If Bharat had functioned as a large Democracy instead of the Dynastic BJP defined theocracy it is deteriorating into, it would have allowed a spectrum of opinions to germinate, various versions of history would be available for people to choose from. Today the temple indoctrinated young ones have no clue–they parrot the BJP version. The older ones regurgitate the INC version. There is no space for the Dalit, Budhdist, Jamat e Islami, or Jain versions or the Muslim League version of history. Only the indoctrinated version is seen as fact, and all other narratives are rejected as false.

    This is absolutely amazing–a country of 1 billion people reject the Hussains, the the Thapars, and of course will never give any space to the Pakistani version of events.

    In other words, it is Fascist.

    More than five million readers have read the articles on our site. There must be something that we are doing right. We simply report the narrative as we see it! Our version is always well researched and our opinions are backed by facts.

  46. Dr abdul jamil khan · one year ago

    Dear Valmiki and Akhbar bhai logo;
    I really learn alot from rupee news abt many things specialy abt pakistan’s exceptional jump in education; i did not know thta they have 80 med schools while their population is even less than UP.Many hindus rufuse to believe it. But my personal focuss is on humanism/humanrights and real history based on out of africa/mideast–summary of my book; calling me a scholar is not appropriate/embrassing.
    But i see pain/anguish in valmiki–that creates more hatred in him than heal it; i feel sorry for him. But it is known that Hindus in general have been brainwashed by british cooked histories/likes of Bankim/saffron brotherhood and to some extent like many other groups are arrogant with self glory; this was pointed out in 10th century by Alberuni and quoted by Romilla thaper. ALL will agree that pakistan and india are tied up in destiny and there has to be a futuristic plan not for the glory of this/that religion but ” humanright/dignity/socuial justice” for all living in HINDUTSTAN from Kashmir to kanyakumari and Kalcutta to Kabul; this system has to be like modern day USA. This idea is hated by many pakistanis as ” disguised plan for akhand bharat” and also by hindu nationalist as ” disguised return of muslim”; A grevious error by Mr Valmiki and also many hindus is to regard muslims as foreigners.This aparently was done in 1800 cent. Can we change the perspective now based on ” out of africa” evolution of man which has discredited both biblical and hindus creationism/racism.? Can we see all desis as from Adam # 5 and eve #H ( see my book); In any war/conflagration it is a mutual slaughter–same blood is drained as has been well said by PM Mr Bajpai:
    Pakistan–Bharat ko aek sath hi rehna hai
    rusi bum ho ya amreeki khun aek hi behna hai
    Jang na honey deN gay
    Mr valmiki you aparently dont like my analyses ” collapsing/falling india” which means old undidived india;but please see this in perspective of deep history or stop reading my post as it raise your blood pressure.

  47. Valmik · one year ago

    Rupee news is a proven nahani gully or sewer trap of india. It does function in that way. India has fault lines and pakistan has craters. Despite terrorism, common man survives day to day life. Be it dalit or mohajir. Fortunately a dalit in india gets quota in govt jobs along with backward muslims as defined by govt. Maoist,dalits shudras dont go to neighbour countries to spread terror. Culture makes the difference. Fascist india if it was then by any means it would have extended bondaries. Soft hindu mentality did spare in 71, 99 pakistan un hurt. Pakistan fails to understand the logic of progress. The logic of daily violence is essence of them. The peace niks the doves are readily slaugtered by champions of islam, the myth the pakistan holds about being champion of islam is false. The prophecy of gazva e hind darul uloom darool harsh are things of past and the dreamers are part of guatanamo bay permanent residents. Akhbar bhai time has run out for you of introspection. Btw keep harping your eternal options . Sing fall of india fall of india mantra. Remember,Indias fall will crush its neighbours deep in ground. Assalam alequoom

  48. Valmik · one year ago

    Pakistan earns one thousand dollars as toll for every sortie. Abrams tanks meant for crushing afghan children will bear pakistani tarrif . This is real chanakya comimg out from bramhins who have settled in pakistan.

  49. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    It is not true–please provide proof of your claim

    Chan Akya, IF HE EVER EXISTED was a Pakistani–He had nothing to do with Bharat. He was a Jian and was born in Taxila. Look at the map. Taxila is in Pakistan and has been part of the Indus Valley for 500 years.

    Find your on Chan Akya on the Ganges.

    History has been hijacked and mutilated. Chanakya is a very popular personality in South Asia. He is said to be Godfather of Emperor Chandragupt Maurya. But there are many controversies regarding him.

    What we know about Chanakya today is through movies, and the media. The rest is all based on conjecture, innuendo, and word of mouth. The earliest written record of Chanakya is based on the 8th century Prakrit drama called Mudra Rakshas allegedly written by one Vishakhadata. The lucid drama discusses the political activities of Chanakya. It does not give any insight to the personal life of Chanakya. The drama was written after 1200 years after “Chandragupta”. There is much controversy about the so called Gupta’s and their timeline anyway. The drama Mudra Rakshas is based on a Buddhist book called Mahanamthero. As mentioned before the drama does not discuss the parentage, lineage, family, birth or death of Chanakya.

    There is an overwhelming body of evidence that suggests that Chanakya was a Jain. Chanakya is mentioned copiously in ancient Jain literature, which details account of the life of Chanakya. Per Jain documentation Chanakya was born to Chanak, a Jain. Supposedly Chanakya was born with teeth in his mouth. The story goes that a Jain monk came for alms to
    Chanak’s home predicted that the child will become a King in future. Apparently Chanak’s father did not want him to be king so he had the teeth removed. On finding out the act the monk said, “Now the child will become a kingmaker in future”. The young Chanakya was apparently not a good looking person and was unable to get a bride. He was however able to manage to marry with a poor girl Yashomati.There is another parable–Once during a family function in her father’s home, she was insulted by her rich sisters. She was in tears. Chanakya decided to tackle to do something about it to teach the offenders a lesson. This was taken as a political insult by Emperor Dhananand, who was training Chandragupt which led a war with Dhananand.

    Like Chandragupt Maurya, Chanakya also became a Jain monk after his retirement from his Ministership. Unfortunately, when he was meditating in a jungle with other monks. The jungle was set on fire by a minister of Bindusar, the son of Chandragupt, and it was the fire that killed Chanakya.

    All references to Chanakya in Jain and Buddhist literature are older than that of Mudra Rakshas, and they prove the existence of
    Chanakya. There is no references of Chanakya in Greek history and literature. Megasthenes, the ambassador of Greeks was
    in court of Chandragup Maurya for a decade, and who has written much about Chandragupt and others. He does not mentions Chanakya.

    This suggests that Chanakya did not exist at the time of Chandragupt Maurya and was probably created by some people in later period.

    Chandragupt Maurya was clever enough to plan and execute his ambitions, and he didn’t need any Godfather to teach him. But the
    content of Mudra Rakshas clearly indicates that the drama was written to attach importance to Chanakya and give secondary place to Emperor Chandragupt. The history of South Asia has been hijacked to build the so called “Hindu” civilization. Jian and Buddhist figures were incorporated into “Hinduism”–in fact there was an attempt to put in Buddha and Jain as Hindu Gods. The Buddhists and the Jains have refuted this attempt and do not accept it

  50. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Rupee News shows you the mirror. You don’t like what you see in the mirror, so you begin to disparage the mirror. Its a pathological problem which displays a deep problem with the psyche. You learn to ignore the plight of your own people, drive by and look the other way. Soon you begin to think that the slums where you come from dont exist. When we show you the proof, it bursts your bubble and you come crashing down.

    So you compare Dalits with Muhajirs? You may as well compare Rockefellers with Slum-dwellers. The New Sindhis as they prefer to call themselves are the most affluent, the most literate, and the most educated group in Pakistan. Karachi pays 60% of taxes of Pakistan.

    The 450 million Dalits are the most backward enslaved people on earth who have to face the trauma of Untouchability and who survive on less then a Dollar a day.

    See the difference? No you cant! Your temple indoctrination wont let you.

    The difference between your allegations and our quotes, is facts. We present facts, you resort to abuse.

    We are not singing anyting. Read Malhotra and Koncha–last time we checked they were Indian citizens living in India.India’s inevitable fall will return South Asia to its normal situation where there were hundreds of states in the place of this monstrosity called “Bharat”.

    Pakistan and Pakistanis dont want anything to do with Bharat. South Asia is the past for Pakistan–the ECO is the future!

  51. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Jamil bhai: Brilliant as usual–and funny too!

  52. Alansaralhaq · one year ago

    Valmik while your sincerity is without question clearly not in Pakistan’s favour you are correct.

    These tanks are not only for Afghans but for a possible incursion against Iran.

    Regarding Pakistan: 10 years ago there was no militancy, no terror inside Pakistan, Pakistan was progressive, forward and self sufficient on the road to an economic boom. Afghan Taliban have NEVER attacked Sar Zameen-e-Pakistan because they love the soil of Sar Zameen-e-Pakistan as much as the soil of Afghanistan.
    If you get your head out of the filthy ganges and sincerly look at the situation of Pakistan you will realise the terror inside Pakistan is NOT HOMEGROWN but incited, manufactured by outsiders in which India has a huge hand.

    The day American boots leave Sar Zameen-e-Afghanistan – The terror isnide Pakistan will no longer exist as the TTP will be stuck between Pakistan Army, Pakistani Qabalis and Afghan Taliban and will have to either die or give up their arms. Only weeks ago an aid to Tereek-e-Taliban confirmed being paid by India for the cold blooded murder of the great Colonel Imam Shaheed.

    When Afghanistan no longer have American and NATO boots there will be no attacks in Pakistan and this is my thinking which will be true. Pakistan will take charge of her nation, economy, it will be a new dawn for Pakistan and like 10 years ago Pakistani economy will begin from 8% and onwards. India will be singing the friendship mantra, they will make some leaps over Kashmir with no real conviction to follow through, they will push for trade and access/integration to West Asia.

    Dr, Jamil is wrong niether were we part of Hindustan through will and mutual decision and neevr will we be. We are every much part of wider Central Asia and YES we see India as unatural and see it is eventually disintegrating because history will repeat itself. I support China over Tibet but Kashmir is closer to home, it is our land as is junagarh, manvadar, we will never forget 1971, Siachen. History is a great teacher and it teaches you Hindus to be weary of the Northern Kingdoms which includes China and Central Asia. History teaches that India has always been dependent on the Northern Kingdom and have always fallen tot he Northern Kingdom. 1948, 1965 as well as the shear bravery of Pakistani forces against a conventional army 5 times it’s size is it testimony. You need an education on Kargill because militarily it was a Pakistani success, I would read up on Shaheed Capt. Sher Khan and we have many such bahadhurs. A nation born from nothing, taking charge, reclaiming their heritage, their land which was left barren, destroyed by The Hindus, the British and The Sikha Shahi fought for its survival on the first hour of since conception of its modern image – Pakistan has survived thus far and will survive for a long time to come.

    You could never break the will of Pakistanis, defeat us niether send fear in us with your Hindu Nuclear Bomb. The day you launch any such futility there will no longer be a Hindu nation but there will forever be an Islamic Central Asia for a long time to come. We can be absorbed into another Islamic wajood / body but you Hindus will no longer have the favours bestowed on you by your Aryan brethren The British. now go take your rabble elsewhere.

  53. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Whengever any Bharati wants to thump his chest—just listen to this–500,000 people were listening

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc_HXJcnILc

  54. Valmik · one year ago

    >>”Regarding Pakistan: 10 years ago there was no militancy, no terror inside Pakistan, Pakistan was progressive, forward and self sufficient on the road to an economic boom”.<<
    Dear Alansaralhaq, your acceptance of past and present is appreciable.

    If you ever try your head out of madrassa, bloodshed, terrorism, burqua sincerly look at the situation of Pakistan you will realise the terror inside Pakistan is HOMEGROWN. It because your culture has terrorism nutrional values
    From The day American boots have routed Sar Zameen-e-Afghanistan – The pakistani elites have made money and sent KIRAYE KE KATIL" world over.
    Obama came india for F35 deal, danced and went away. But before that he gifted pakistan with bundles of dollars.Surely these dollars went to likes of Zardari and gillanis. mind it.

    We sincerley wish for better ment of us and pakistan. As.rightly Mr. Shashi Tharoor says India needs peace more than pakistan with pakistan.
    But a progresive pakistan still shivers india. As the 9/11 pilots were highly educated like shazad faizal at time square N.Y.Its not your fault. The culture makes the difference sadly.

    If at all a progressive pakistan brings and sings Peace, it will be gr8 news for world.I am yet to a find a friend in rupee news comments btw.

    Leaps and bounds for kashmir solution is pakistani trick and childish demand. Surrendering entire india will not stop pakistans's childish demands.Dont side line Tibet issue. You will bear the bitter fruits at wanted time for the same. Chinese have crushed tibetan unlike indians do in Kashmir. Kashmir has article 370 and elected goverment with elections.Now theory of atrocities are as much fantastic as you make it.
    Kargil who started, who retreated, who went to US, China. is unknown to you. We are sorry for that.because DENIAL to facts is your essence of life.
    Last and least taking sahara of past, history and religion is your constraint.Acnowledge and accept it."Guatanamo bay cages, drones and US Nato Boots dont forget them."
    More over we are not intersted to break will of pakistan. We see beyond Pakistan.Our nuclear bomb is not meant for you. We want to preserve you.Dont forget it.Moraraji Bhai desai was conferred "NISHAN E PAKISTAN"
    We have more muslims around us than you have. Indians adore indian muslimaans( Mussalam Iman). Dont forget it.
    More over it is not rabble it is a bitter fact.
    Assalam Alequom.

    ested

  55. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    >>Indians adore indian muslimaans

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Anyone read the report on Indian Muslims written by Justice Sachaar!

  56. Valmik · one year ago

    Akhbar ji your comments may yield appauds frm your third class sitting audience . Keep it up.

  57. alansaralhaq · one year ago

    The times sq. Bomber was TTP and we have discussed their evolution as not homegrown and reported the Indian and American hand in this.

    Unlike real generic natural liberation struggled in India the TTP will fizzle and pop as soon as their funding via Indian consulates stop. They are armed by the foreign powers inside Afghanistan who yes will continue supporting them post Afghan-American war. However the TTp will not have an easy hand under the protection of Indian consulates and American umbrella.

    Kargill belongs to Pakistan as does Siachen STOLEN by India in the 1980s at the height of Afghan-Soviet war. India had the same intentions towards Pakistan as it has today – nothing has changed.

    Indian Muslims loved by Indians wow indeed, just like the Dalits are loved in India. India’s economic superiority depends on a ipolarised Asia to win vital trade concessions from the West and if its not West it will be another opposing force like The Soviet brand of communism. India hijacks the history, identity but also strategic importance of the region known today as Pakistan. India has always been bad news for Pakistan and has tried destroying Pakistan, Pakistani economy, Pakistani image at every opportunity. I’m glad you wish well for Pakistan ( which is your schizophrenia kicking in ) but look at the statistics and history of Indian skull duggery and cowardly acts on Pakistan which continue today. We Pakistanis vast majority exp. Azad Kashmiris and Pakthuns hate your kind and with every right. Kashmir is integral to any relationship with India as is Junagarh, Manvadar, Sit Creek and an apology for Hyderabad and 1971. Valmik I will give you free advise today and this is Stop trying to dominate, supress the Northern Kingdom as it is welcoming the destruction. Of your first historic collective Hindu Imperial voice India. All your men even on tanks or elephants will not be enough to push back wave after wave of attacks from your north. Liberation of Kashmir is integral and this is what we hold you by or there will be another war and there will be no USA to support you not The Soviets. We stand by MAD na tum raho gaye na hum rahaein gaye saleeyath issi mein hai. Kashmir month azaad Karey aur Asia month aik naiyah Europe Banaiye. Yes this means a new Andalucia and Ottoman Islamic union but it will be better for India since as you say you love Muslims and Islam. The alternative is M.A.D but remember this will be the end of a Hindu India as Dr. Jamil rightly wrote but not the end of Central Asian flavoured Islam and we will only be absorbed into the next Islamic revolution and wave after wave we will reign on you like Lodhi Babur, Zaman shah, Nadir Shah, Abdali and Ghouri of the modern age.

    Kashmir solution is integral and as it stands Pakista. Does not benefit from MFN and should NEVER give your kind access to West and Central Asia.

    Not until Indian Foreign policy cemented by Nehru and strenghthed by Indira. This is a fools policy one that will never see India at Peace. Pakistan belongs to the Islamic world naturally the powers that be will seek Islams and Islamic nations progression halted but a new Islamic union/ economic block is inevitable. There is not however an what so ever possibility of a grandeur Hindu Imperialism. Better India respects and honour her Islamic past than to divide itself again.

  58. krishna · one year ago

    Akbar Navees ji Pakistani Pagal maloom hote hai…

  59. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Spoken like a true Hindu. We do not have a caste system on this site, so all are equal–there is no first, 2nd, or third class here. More than five million visitors and counting

  60. Valmik · one year ago

    Akhbar bhai my remark is not coated with caste prejudice. Your reply is funny as ever. Funny cheap remarks are hailed by last sitters. There are dalits in you too. World recognise and acknowledge them as terrorist. To RNM ,Pl hear watch and try to understand hon. Janab Hasan mansoor saheb.it may enlighten or else. btw we indians do read, adore likes of hon abdul jamil khan saheb. But neither we will dream of india’s fall( being vatan parast) nor pakistan’s untimely demise. Our true hindu spirit teaches us. You can name it blame it, as you like. That is the difference.call it caste system.allah hafiz. Shukriya.

  61. Valmik · one year ago

    Corrigendum akhbar bhai Please read “janab hon. Hasan nisar saheb” in lieu of janab hasan nisar.

  62. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    >>There are dalits in you too. World recognise and acknowledge them as terrorist.

    Just goes to show your deep rooted thinking. So all “Dalits” are terrorists? and all Muslims too! Wowee!

    This is so wonderful about the world’s greatest Nehruistocracy.

  63. Alansaralhaq · one year ago

    Hasan Nisar, Sethi, Hoodhbhoy, Asma Jehanghir and all the rest – here we go again.

    Hasan Nisar has been consistent although has toned down knowing a sea of change as of late. by the way no one agreed with Hasan Nisar “interpretation of history”. Mohammad Bin Qasim came to Sindh wa Hindh to destroy the pirates attacking the Islamic trade ships and caravans and the rest was history to say the least. Yes Islamic Central Asian empires were expansionist but they left a profound mark, on the culture, language, dress code, moral code, penal code, architecture of the land beyond the Indus.

    Hindu Mahasabah as do many Hindus we come across on a daily basis trolling the i-net defaming and humiliating Islam and abusive to Islam are testimony of Hindu’s still following the philosophies of the Hindu Zealots be they religous, academics or political.

    Frankly could not care less because other than “our Islamic history” found across India I have no other affiliation for India. We are seek a re-created Khorasan – central asia, people to people exchange, celebrate a common history, geography, religion and work to integrate and build strong trade and defence blocks. We do not want war with India but if it is thrusted on us valmik we are more than capable and like I said na tum raho gaye na hum – appka Hindu hawaab bhikar jaye gha magar Islam to rahay gha and we Pakistanis will be absorbed into a new Islamic wajood. India has no intention of giving up her occupied lands and we have no intention of forgiving and forgetting when the lives of hundreds and thousands of innocents are at stake. Regarding trade – we really have nothing to offer India and nothing that we want from India, we wish to increase our trade with Central Asia and create trade zones with Central asia before we even look at India. We wish to be in a situation where we can supply China further and become integrated to Turkey and through Turkey access the rest of Europe. we should look at doing trade with Russia also and build on Asia Pacific and any trade with India has to be the very last point on our agenda.

    I cannot forget 1948 and continued occupation of Kashmir, you have denied us our share of wealth in 1947, you sought our destruction throught the Red Army, you stole Kargill and Siachen in the 80′s, you blamed us for some heinous black ops you yourself have instigated. You help create the TTP and were responsible for terror inside Pakistan for a decade and you were pivotal in destroying the Pakistani global image in this last decade. You tried to create unrest in xinxiang and in Iranian Baloch through Jundullah.

    I and many Pakistanis can not just forget, we can tolerate you and we can aim for amicable peaceful ties but beyond that we want nothing with India. India’s rise in the last decade was at the expense of Pakistans demise, prior to 2001 India was regarded a backwater 3rd world country. Necons propped up an indian image and helped market India to destroy Pakistan and contain India. I guarantee you a decade from now the Indian bubble will have been popped and the cracks will be visible across the Indian Union and this will not be the doing of Pakistan or China but the nature of the natural liberation struggles that exist in India since 1948.

  64. Alansaralhaq · one year ago

    apologies third line from the bottom should read;

    “Necons propped up an indian image and helped market India to destroy Pakistan and contain China”.

  65. Israr Ahmad, Attock · one year ago

    Reference to the Hadiths? please share.

  66. Rsingh · 11 months ago

    @Akhbar Navees
    Buddhisim and Jainisim are just offshoots of Hinduisims . For them Moksha becomes Nirvana.
    As far Dalits are concerned they are no longer enslaved as u might claim, till few monts back India’s most populous state U.P was ruled by a Dalit lady and so was Tamil

    Nadu. In the recent UP election 70 muslim were elected in recent state assembly polls out of the 403 seats.So stop the nonsense that muslim and dalits are still being discrimintaed.
    In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindu population has greatly dwindled. Whereas in India Muslim have increased from 10% to 18%. Hindu live as slaves in Pakistan ,their women raped and converted at will.
    Hinduisim has thing like caste sysytem but still people live peacefully amongst themselves unlike Pakistan where every week atleast 10-15 shias are killed and Ahmedis

    have been declared no muslim.
    We are not interested in Pakistan but we will not spare u if u continue exporting terror to India. Now India is getting richer we have the means punish u harshly without

    letting u inflict any signigiatant harm. And most of Gandhiwadis and leftist in goverment are getting old and retiring and this new young India will not spare yr terrorist state.
    Two very important tennets in Islam are inbreding and having a belif that animals have no soul.(so by eating animals u are not commiting any sin.) So why religon which promotes such a thing should not be looked down upon.Under Islam no minority has been able to furish. And if an attempt is being made to bring people to Hindu fold then what is wrong in such movemensttime has come to restart such movement in India.

  67. Akhbar Navees · 11 months ago

    YOur tmeple indoctrinates to believe that Buddhism is an offshoot of Hindusism.

    No self-resepecting Buddhist in beleives that. The Chinese, Korean, Thai, Laotian, Cambodian Buddhists dont call themselves Hindu. Even the Dalai Lama does not consider himself Buddhist.

    You have blinders on. Read Dr. Koncah’s “Why I am not Hindu” and “Post Hindu India”.

    Spare you?–Ha Ha ha…Bharat has not been able to cross one inch into Pakistani territory. Give your empty threats to Maldives. Pakistan has 300 nukes poointed at all your major cities. Cross and be incinerated. Pakistan will no longer be there, but Bharat will be a wasteland and we will let the Turks and the Arabs rule Bharat.

    Read the Justice Saachar Report to see the condition of Muslims in Bharat–they fare below Dalits in avery aspect of social development. Your contempt for Muslims shows in your last sentence. That contemtp translates to 150 milion Indian Muslims, 180 million Pakistanis and 180 million Bangaldeshis. Shuddhi failed in the 1940s. It created Pakistan. Try is again, and it will creae Mughalistan.

  68. ATULSRIVASTAVA · 12 hours ago

    PAKISTAN’S ALL RIVERS KNOB IS IN INDIA’S HAND. INDIA CAN DROUGHT/FLOOD PAKISTAN AT WILL.

  69. Akhbar Navees · 5 hours ago

    Delusions of grandeur create such flamebaits. So 180 million folks armed with Nukes will sit around and die of hunger?

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