As an ardent fan of the Professor Dr Ahmed Hasan Dani‘s concept of Pakistani history and a protagonist of the Indus people philosophy of Ahtizaz Ahsan, it is always a joy to hear about another book about the ‘Melluhas’ of the Pakistani Civilization.
The Melhulans were the Indus people who lived on the River Indus. They were the early ancestors of the present day Pakistanis. the DNA results from the remains of the people in the graves show a 98% congruence with the Baluch, Punjabis, Pakhtuns and Sindhis of the current era. This is why Professor Dani, Ahtizaz Ahsan and this author want to refer to the “Indus Valley Civilization” as the Pakistani Civilization. The temple education from across the border notwithstanding. the facts remain that the people of the Indus is spectacularly different than the people of the Ganges. It is the stupidity of the leaders of the Ganges to refer to themselves as Indusians or “Indians”. The could call themselves Ganians or the rural people or whatever. They were certainly not the urban people of the Pakistani Civilization.
http://www.zimbio.com/World+Politics/articles/3072/Balauchistan+join+Pakistan
The temple education in Bharat teaches them that their land extends from Kabul to Raj Kalhani (mythical island East of Hindu Bali in Indonesia). Thus this temple education prohibits them from accepting any of the countries in their borders–Tibet, Sikkim, Bhutan, Nepal, Lanka, Mayanmar, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Pakistani Mehergarh civilizition preceded Pakistani Indus Valley Civilization
Any intellectual capital that can refute this irredentist, revanchist “Akhand Bharat” type of thinking. The book is not available on Amazon.com. Here is a review by Naeem Tahir.
This maps looks like the map of Pakistan. It is. It is the map of Indu Valley 3500 years ago. This is the map of the Indus Valley Civilization which existed 5000 years ago on the banks of the Indus. This represent the Indus Pakistanis (see Indus Saga by Ahtizaz Ahsan, and Professor Dani's prolific writings). The IVC was not Hindu. They buried their dead, wrote a non-Sanskirt pictographic language, ate beef, did not know the horse, wre not vegetarian, wrote right to left, did not know the horse (No Arjun), and did not worship any of the Hindu pantheon (Arjun, Agni, Mithra, Nag). This map shows the Indus Valley Civilization which traded with the Muslim Moses in Mesopotamia. Pakistan is the latst Muslim incarnation of the IVC. The Indus people banded together to live togther as they had lived together for thousands of years. This was the contract once the Britain left. Bharat never existed as a united country--WHAT PARTITION?. This map shows the later stages of the IVC in Lothala and part sof Gujerat. The original IVC thrived only on the banks of the Indus (http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/pakistan-existed-5000-years-ago-as-ivc.gif)
Books on ancient history and research are usually read by those who are interested in the subject or those who are working on the subject themselves, but they have no attraction for the average reader. So it is a pleasant surprise to read Naeem Tahir’s book, ‘Melluhas of the Indus Valley 8000 BC — 500 BC’, which is comparatively less ‘heavy’ than the average tome on the subject. A beautifully produced book of two hundred and fifty pages, it features reproductions of the art work of that era and tells in simple, easy to understand language about the life and times of our ancestors who are part of our heritage and ancient civilization. For history lovers it provides an absorbing read of our historical and ancestral past.
In his interesting prelude, Naeem Tahir has stated that he began by wanting to know more about his own ancestors and build up a family tree, but the search for a credible lineage soon turned into a search for roots and he ended up delving deeper into the fascinating history, archaeology, anthropology and civilisations of South East Asia and in particular the Indus Valley. Thus his search developed a stronger focus, which ultimately led to the writing of the book after a decade of reading and research since his first foray into finding his lineage. He concludes with the question, “Have I reached the truth?” and answered it with a quote by Greek philosopher Xenophanes, ‘No man knows or ever will know the truth, for even if one happened by chance to say the complete truth, nevertheless one would not know it.’
The introductory note has been written by the late Professor Dr Ahmed Hasan Dani, who said, “This study for the first time, speaks about the people who were instrumental in building our great past. Full of engrossing illustrations, maps photographs and little known facts about the ancient Indus people, this book is both valuable reference material and a readable book of general interest for all those who take pride in their national heritage.”
Archaeology and Museums Department Director General Dr Fazal Dad Kakar said, “The great value of this book lies in creating a comprehensive profile of the people who developed one of the greatest civilizations of humanity. His ten years of study have ended with the production of a remarkable document.”
Professor Emeritus, Dr Anwar Dil has written a detailed review essay on the book, which will be helpful for those who want to know and understand the contents of the book to the fullest. He has taken it chapter by chapter using many references by other scholars and an updated bibliography and ends his review with the question, “Is it possible that the Melluhas that Naeem Tahir holds up in his book with such devoted affection as his ancestors had become ossified and their social and economic life weakened or was it a natural disaster like the one that struck Harappa where several hundred unburied dead bodies were discovered lying scattered in a street? A full length study is needed to approach these and related questions from the perspective of the rise and fall of civilizations.” The book has been designed and produced by Ayesha Taslim. — Ishrat Hyatt. ‘Melluhas of the Indus Valley’:An interesting addition to history books. Wednesday, September 09, 2009 By Naeem Tahir Publisher: PNCA Price: Rs2,000
Pakistani Mehergarh civilizition preceded Pakistani Indus Valley Civilization: Pakistan is the home of several Civilizations. As we navigate the corridors of time and look into the seeds of time we discover the seven thousand year old Mehergarh Civilization that encompassed much of Pakistan. After the demise of the Mehergarh Civilization the Indus Valley Civilization came to its zenith around 3500 BC.
If one looks at the map of the Indus Valley Civilization one is astonished that the civilization was within the borders of current day Pakistan. The Mehergarh and the Indus Valley Civilizations were not “Hindu“. The Indus Valley Civilization for example buried their dead, used a pictographic language, read right to left, did not use horses and did not worship the Hindu pantheon. Similarly the Mehergarh Civilization was similar in character.
4 Ancient Superpowers: China (Yangtze valley), Egypt (Nile Valley), Iraq (Tigris Valley), Pakistan (Indus Valley)
THE FOUR SUPERPOWERS OF PROTO-HISTORY: China, Egypt, Iraq and Pakistan. The Nile, the Tigris-Euphrates delta, the Yangtze Delta, and the Indus, are the wombs of all civilizations on our earth. These river valley spawned and nurtured humanity. Imagine a world with four superpowers at peace with each other. Imagine a planet where each civilization was immersed in humongous construction projects, urban edification and trade. . How did these proto-world powers interact with each other? Imagine a civilization without any implements of war. Let us look into pre-history and peek into the “seeds” of time. Let us look at the valleys of the world that engendered the Superpowers of the ancient world..
The IVC was on the banks of the Indus which is present day Pakistan
PAKISTAN 5000 YEARS AGO:-The Indus Valley Civilization of South Asia was one of the inceptive civilizations on the planet. It was contemporaneous with the Chinese, Egyptian, and Sumerian civilizations. These were the times when the Egyptians were building huge monuments to their God-kings,the pyramids and the Sphinx. These were the centuries when the Chinese were building palaces for the Shun dynasty. These were exciting eons in the Holy lands too.
These were the centuries when Moses was battling the pharaohs, Abraham was building the Kaaba, David was ruling the kingdom, and Solomon was building the Temple of Yahweh. It was during these centuries that the Indus Valley Civilization flourished and reached its zenith in South Asia.
The IVC built well planned municipalities for its citizens. While the Egyptians spent three generations of their labor force (estimated between 20,000-10000) building useless mausoleum-pyramids to bury the God-kings, the Harappans were successful in eradicating, disease, hunger, and malnutrition.
The Harappans of the IVC did not build huge commemorative, deifying, dedicatory, cenotaphs. The Harappans of Meluhha-IVC built the finest cities of the third millennium.
Mehergarh situated strategically near the Bolan Pass, is located at the foot of the Balochistan hills on the Katchi plain southeast of Quetta. A 9000 year old site of settlement, Neolithic Mehergarh consists of four mounds. Supported by the Pakistan Department of Archeology, French archeologists have been carrying out extensive excavations there for some years. These excavations, studies and research have led to pushing back these settlements to some 9000 years.
Accessibility: Mehargarh is well connected by road, air and by train with the rest of the country by Quetta
The 5000 yeard old Pakistan as it interacted with the other 3 superpwoers
The Pakistani civilization interacted with many regions of the world
The history of Baluchistan is fascinating. Mehergarh is the oldest agricultural site in the Subcontinent. The artifacts found there go back 7000 years. The people of Mehargarh have been living peacfully with the Indus Valley Civilization for tousands of years. During the British colonial rule no such province existed. It is a merger of many independent states. At the end of the colonial era the Provinces of West India decided to band together and form Pakistan.
History like religion can be distorted and be misrepresented.I have some grave questions about Islam.
1).Why do Muslims follow the pre-Islamic pagan practice of circling the Ka’aba (Tawaf)?
2).Do you think it’s strange that Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation (e.g. circling the Ka’aba) to please God, but pre-Islamic Arab Paganism and Hinduism and Buddhism (religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism”) do practice ritual circumambulation?
3).The Ka’aba was destroyed at least twice after Muhammad’s death. Why didn’t Allah send birds to protect the Ka’aba then?The Black Stone in the Ka’aba has been struck and smashed by a stone fired from a catapult, it has been smeared with excrement, stolen and ransomed by the Qarmatians, and smashed into several fragments.Why did Allah not protect this important ‘holy’ stone from desecration and damage?
Melluha,Magan,Moses.
Dear Akhbar bhai,
Thanks, dear Akhbar bhai; Yes Mesopotamia/egypt did trade with ancient IVC now called pakistan; Egytian were called MAGAN,meaning great now considered as the root for greek MAG,Mega etc.
The point that i notice is mixing of Moses with real history; only a fiction in biblical editors.
Magan is also associated with Mekan, or Mekran which may have included the UAE all the way to Somalia
Just a few days ago you were eulogizing the 180 million Muslims in India. Today you speak against their religion. Your bias cannot be hidden.
You have brought up insignificant minutia to prove nothing. Every religion has cultural aspects within it. Judaism is impacted by the Middle East, as is Chrisitnity. Sikism on the other hand has been influenced by Islam but in many ways represents PUnjabi culture. Buddhism despite being born in India reflects Asian, and Chinese cultures.
Circumbulation around the Kaba preceded Prophet Muhammad. The Kaaba was built by Prophet Abraham. In fact is your read “History of God” by Karen Armstrong you will see that she has documented Christian and Jews doing Tawaf around the Kaaba in ancient times and modern.
The Kaaba is a building like any other. It is a mosque–brick and mortar. It has been rebuilt many many times. Whats the big deal? The HIjar e Aswad is a stone. No one worships it. Who cares if it gets destroyed.
Pure monotheism does not worship any stone
The concept behind Haj was. Five times a day worship alone, once a week on Fridays worship with the vicinity, once a year on Eid worship with the entire City–and once in a lifetime prya with the world. This sort of equality impacted leaders from the world like Malcolm X and changed world history
I am Just exploring Islam finding contradictions drawbacks however I find it interesting as it has rich history but it today’s modern world it doesn’t fit.
In medieval ages Islam was modern that’s y it’s spreded but now it looks obsolete.
Ofcourse Pakistan (Punjab and Sind) was the ivc and part of Hindustan when qasim attacked the religion was Hinduism and budhism and your forefathers converted to Islam out of faith fear force or economics the people who didn’t convert are us on the other side.
I will have to say Rupee News has done great work in making Pakistanis aware about our ancient heritage and to counter slumdog propaganda. Still lot more needs to be done. Pakistani people don’t really give much consideration to history, giving temple indoctrinated bhartis a chance to hijack our civilization. These beastly hindus have also corrupted our ancient religion and made a completely new religion out it. The vedic Aryans were monotheists and denounced idol worshipping and it is written in Vedas that Prophet Muhammad is the final prophet.
It must be noted that bharti writers always write bharti history by stealing Pakistani history. All these ancient civilizations Mehrgarh, Indus valley and vedic civilization were based in Pakistan.
The land east west of beas river have always been known as outsider or foreigners to Bhartis. This land Indus valley was always different and important to the world. The indo-parthians, indo-greeks empire, indo-sassanid all these empire extended from Kashmir to Arabian sea not including Bharat. The kushan empire ruled Indus valley Pakistan for 400 years and but ruled parts of Bharat for few decades and these bhartis consider Kanishka their hero.
Temple indoctrinated bhartis always say ancient India includes Pakistan, Bharat and Bangladesh. This is the biggest distortion of history in the world. The name india was only used for the land invaded by Alexander the great. Ancient greek historians refer to the Ganges people ‘Gandaridae and Prasii’.
Father of history Herodotus mentions India as the land in the vicinity of the Indus river east of Arachosia(North Balochistan) and west of the deserts of Thar. This boundary is true to this day, Thar desert marks the natural border between Bharat and Pakistan. Pakistani press used the term Bharat instead of India when referring to bhartis after the creation of Bharat as term india has been exclusively used for indus valley but for hindus, old habits of stealing(history) to justify its existence and creation where no country with diversity was ever unified before. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,811434,00.html).
Their nigger mentality knows no limit and they will keep on asking for more land. British civilian administration extended only to Lahore, in the Punjab, near Pakistan’s eastern border with India, Rest of pakistan was either a warzone or fragmented into semi independent princely states nothing to do whatsoever with the Dravidians of Bharat. We were never subdued by the brits like the coward low-life Indians. The land which the mightiest empire was finding it hard to rule but these Dravidians with their sad history of subjugation (200 year by English and 1000 year colonisation by muslims) think they can rule it. I say even if British colony of india and 565 princely were united to form a single country in 1947 the Indus valley people would have annihilated all the hindus rather than be ruled by them.
All their rulers were Pakistani from Indus land, Dr Ahmed Dani in his book writes Chandragupta Maurya to be from the Mori tribe of Sindh,Ghiyassuddin Tughlaq was born to a multani mother and invaded Delhi with the army of Multan and Sultan and established Tughlaq Dynasty. Akbar the great again was born to a Sindhi mother. Tipu Sultan’s grandfather Fateh Muhammad migrated from Jhang, Pakistan to Deccan making Tipu Sultan a Pakistani.So you see we have ruled bhartis many times. History always repeats itself and hindus know about their own destruction from hindu scriptures
Bijon, there are stories in the mahabarata which glorify sex with a dead horse. That’s bestiality-necrophilia.
Why don’t you go reconcile that with your value system before posing questions for us.
1. Tawaaf of Kaab’ah remains a monothiest practice learn Arabic and subjectively look into the practice of Tawaaf. The practice of Tawaaf is linked to prophet Ismael (AS) and Ibrahim (AS) who were believers in the One true God – Allah Azuwajjal. The practice remained but the children of Ismael (AS) trangressee into falsehood through polytheism
Hinduism nor Bhuddism is not older than the deen-e-Ibrahimi the faith that was perfected through the final Revelation The Noble Qu’ran Al Furqaan.
2. As per above the Tawaaf was practiced by prophet Ismael and Ibrahim (AS) and the Muslim Tawaaf is a monotheist practice and perfected through the final revelation.
3. The Kaab’ah was NOT destroyed after prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and remains here today as the greatest Mimbhar direction of prayer for the largest congregation of believers all over the world. The black stone. Is not significant but a part of Arab and now Islamic history nobody prayers to it. It is a rare stone and very previous as such we believe it is from heaven therefore to be honoured. There is nothing pagan not polytheist in the honourunt of the black stone.
Please explain Bijon;
Do you honestly believe part human part elephant / monkey dieties exist/tee and Goddesses with a large mid rift and 6 to 8 arms exist / tee and you question Islam tut tut. You Bijon are a follower of a blind faith that neither has any significance nor any authentication.
Perhaps Magan were indeed egypt as is the general acceptance of the term; Magan had created MAQQAN in arabic ( egyptian much older than arabic)–meaning QUWAT, Muqqawi,etc realted to power/strength – g/q switch.Indeed Egypt was the ” superpower ‘ of mideast from 3000 BC to abt 570BC and its language had fed greek,akkadian, latin, skt etc.And its religion of Isis,osiris,horus , the holy trinity is now plagiarized in toto as ” judeo-christianity”, a fact well acclaimed.
Please visit pakhistorian.com also
Thanks for a great comment. Ifyou convert it into an article, we will publish it
It was Sindh and Hindh
The Indus Valley was a politcal unit 8000 years ago spearate from the ara to the East which was jungle at the time without a people or a civilization
@ bijon shah the RAT and others who are ill informed about Kaaba.
To start with, ever since the infancy of Islam that propagated Monotheism were faced by two enemies. Namely the Polytheist Arabs and Levy s.
The Polytheist Arabs were afraid of loss of revenue brought in by pilgrims of different nations that worship different gods that were placed in Kaaba. Worshiping ONE GOD will certainly be counterproductive financially.
The learned Jews (Levy) knew about coming of ‘The Prophet’, thus they left the green valley of Palestine and moved to Medina and Mecca.
The learned Jews due to their extensive knowledge even pin pointed the father ‘Abdullah’ hence they put a gorgeous young Jewish woman to lure Abdullah in Ill-Licit companionship. Abdullah turned her offer down as it was the night of his wedding to Amina. Next day Abdullah sought out this Jewish woman, and the woman said, “its too late”.
The Levi’s agenda was to have ‘The Prophet’ to be born to the tribe of Israel. They were already warned by Jesus on whom be peace, “Verily, ‘The Prophet’ would come from tribe of Ishmael”. Further proof of this is in their Bible:
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof” Mathew 21:43.
A Prophet like Moses
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
Having failed in their objectives the Levi s started helping the Kafirs, namely the Polytheist of Mecca to Kill Islam in its infancy. Later on as Islam spread, the Christians also jumped in the boat. At current Century, even when Judeo / Christians knows the truthful of Final Messenger and Qur’an, but have started helping and uplifting the Modern day Polytheist Quraish namely Hindus against the Muslims of Medina, namely Pakistan.
Judeo / Christians could not destroy Islam militarily, thus they adopted in Demonizing Islam through publication, false propaganda via Radio, Television and Movies. Their effort have increased many fold to stop Western Countries Islamization. They have posted many such ludicrous and nonsensical misinformation in internet. This RAT ‘bijon shah’ has copy and pasted the same from Islamophobic Christian websites.
History of Kaaba:
Before I start with what I have read and believe is that Mecca is the CENTER of EARTH.
Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Mecca time to replace GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth.
Mecca is the direction all Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.
The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Mecca, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.
One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca’s was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.
He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.
Mecca watch
A prominent cleric, Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Mecca was the true centre of the Earth; proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim “qibla” – the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.
The meeting also reviewed what has been described as a Mecca watch, the brainchild of a French Muslim.
The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.
The meeting in Qatar is part of a popular trend in some Muslim societies of seeking to find Koranic precedents for modern science.
It is called “Ijaz al-Koran”, which roughly translates as the “miraculous nature of the holy text”.
The underlying belief is that scientific truths were also revealed in the Muslim holy book, and it is the work of scholars to unearth and publicise the textual evidence.
Now coming to Kaaba:
The mountain where Adam (a.s.) landed was Nudh, in Sri Lanka formerly known as Sarandib and Eve in Jeddah. When Adam landed he said, “My Lord! Does this Earth of yours have no one but me to live and praise and sanctify YOU?”
ALLAH said, “I shall have some of your children praise and sanctify ME on it. I shall have houses raised for mentioning ME on it, houses in which MY creatures will give praise and mention MY name. I shall have one of this house singled out for MY generosity and distinguished it from all others by My name and call it MY House. I shall have it proclaimed my greatness, and it is upon it that I have placed My Majesty. Then, in addition, I, being in everything and together with everything, shall make that House a safe Sanctuary, whose Sacredness will extend to those around, those underneath, and those above it. He who makes it sacred with MY Sacredness obligates ME to be generous to him. He who frightens its inhabitants there forfeits MY protection and violates MY Sacredness. I shall have it be the First House to be founded as a blessing for mankind in the valley of Mecca. They will come to it disheveled and covered with dust upon all emaciated mounts from every deep ravine, shouting emotionally; At Your service (Labbayka!) shedding copious tears and noisily proclaiming ALLAH the Greatest (ALLAHU Akbar). He, whose exclusive intention it is to go there and nowhere else comes to ME as MY visitor and becomes MY guest. It benefits a noble person to show generosity to those who come to him and are his guest, and take care of everybody’s need. You shall dwell there, Adam (a.s) as long as you live. Then the nations, generation, and Prophets of your children shall live there, one nation after the other, one generation after the other.”
Then ALLAH commanded Adam (a.s) to go to the Sacred House which was cast down to Earth. The first Holy House came directly from Paradise, and it was a single dazzling ruby. The black stone that was brought down by Adam (a.s) per one tradition (ALLAH knows best) which was white was placed within the Holly House at Mecca. Adam was commanded by ALLAH to make ‘Tawwaf’ around the Sacred House in order that his heart and mind got peace.
It is reported that Adam wept bitterly because of his sin and he repented. Adam received words from his LORD and was forgiven. Apart from the Holy House in the form on a ruby which was sent down to earth, ALLAH commanded Adam (a.s):
“Go and build the Holy House for ME there! Then circulate around it, as you have seen MY Angels crowding around MY Throne. There I shall respond to you and all your children who are obedient to ME”.
Adam (a.s) said, “My LORD! How could I do that? I do not have the strength to do it and do not know how”. So ALLAH chose an Angel to assist him, and he went with him towards Mecca. Adam (a.s) built the House with materials from five mountains: Mt. Sinai, Mt. Olives, Mt. Lebanon, Mt. Al-Judi and he constructed its foundation from Mt. Hira. When he finished the construction, the Angel went out with him to Arafat. He showed him all the rites of pilgrimage that we perform today. Arafat is also the place where he met his wife again after separation for 100 years. In all Adam (a.s) performed 40 Hajj and taught his children likewise.
When ALLAH drowned the people of Prophet Nuh (Noah-a.s) HE lifted the ruby up in heaven, but its foundation remained to be built by Prophet Ibrahim aka Abraham (a.s) and his son Ismail aka as Ishmael (a.s) on the existing foundation.
Black Stone:
In one tradition it is reported that when Adam (a.s) was expelled from Paradise, he carried with many things, one of them being the white stone that later turned black.
In another tradition it is reported when Umar Bin Khattab kissed the black stone he said to it that he knows that it can not benefit or harm but since he saw the Prophet (pbuh) kiss it that why he is kissing it. Ali Bin Abi Talib heard what Umar uttered and said, “O Umar you don’t know why the Prophet kissed this stone” umar replied in negative. Upon this Ali told Umar when ALLAH had created all the souls of mankind, HE took covenant from them that they will worship HIM ALONE. This was affirmed by all the souls. Then ALLAH ordered this stone to go down at Kaaba, Mecca and note down the names of all those who visit the Kaaba and circumbulate thereon.
Judeo / Christians dreamt up allegation of Muslim worshiping ‘Hubal’ moon god that the RAT bijon shah copied and pasted:
What is the reason of this dreamt up and much propagated allegation that the RAT is so exited about?
The reason is the speed at which Islam is spreading. 10,000 Danish has reverted to Islam post Muhammad (pbuh) cartoon episode. They are doing their best to spread LIES to put a stop to this expansion. Thus they have revived the old oriental’s LIES of worshiping moon god Hubal.
Hubal the moon god: (astaghfirULLAH)
Allat, al-?Uzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur’an. The notable exception to this is Hubal, whom many consider to be a central figure in the Arabian hierarchy of gods. Why is Hubal, considering he was a prominent figure in the pantheon of gods and goddesses, not mentioned in the Qur’an? This question in itself has raised many more questions, causing many Orientalists to indulge themselves in unreserved speculations. Perhaps the earliest scholar to suggest that Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah in Makkah was the German orientalist Julius Wellhausen. His hypothesis was based on circumstantial evidence and argumentum e silentio. Wellhausen noted that Allah was always a proper name in the Arabic sources and not a common noun. According to him, Allah was the title used within each tribe to address its tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol. Wellhausen suggested that apart from Hubal’s known presence in the Ka?bah, there is no polemic in the Qur’an against him In other words, while the Qur’an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the “daughters of Allah”, it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal. Although such an argument can be applied to any of the pagan idols not mentioned in the Qur’an, such as Dhul-Khalasa and Dhul-Shara, the argumentum e silentio of Wellhausen became a rallying cry for the missionaries and apologists to claim that Hubal was none other than Allah This is clearly a logical fallacy. It is ironical that the Qur’an itself is ignored to address the issue of Hubal. As mentioned earlier, there were three prominent deities of ancient Arabia mentioned in the Qur’an.
“Have you then considered Allat and the ‘Uzza, and Manat, the third, the last? What! for you the males and for Him the females! This indeed is an unjust division! They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord”. [S?rah al-Najm:19-23]
The reason why Hubal is not mentioned is specifically because of his gender. There was nothing to distinguish Hubal from the other Arab divinities such as Dhul-Khalasa and Dhul-Shara whereas other divinities mentioned in the Qur’an, i.e., Allat, Manat and al-Uzza, were distinguished by being regarded as the “daughters of Allah”, as pointed out by Fahd although he did not completely elaborate this important point. Similarly, the Qur’an also criticizes the position of the “sons of Allah” attributed to Jesus and Uzayr. In S?rah al-Najm, the Qur’an is referring to the concept of “daughters of Allah”, and to mention a male deity like Hubal would be against the very argument the Qur’an is drawing attention to.
“What! for you the males and for Him the females! This indeed is an unjust division!” [S?rah al-Najm:21]
The Qur’an uses irony to drive home a point. While many of the Arabs buried their daughters alive, as well as holding the position that women were inferior to men in all aspects, they still fabricated daughters for Allah. The first point which the Qur’an mentions is that they have no evidence for their speculations:
“They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord”. [S?rah al-Najm:23]
Secondly, what is interesting is that while this verse attributes this position to conjecture, it further explains the psychological reason behind the conjecture. Conjecture is the project of an overpowering emotion and desire. A person seeks all types of justifications for his behavior, because he wants to act in a certain way. What exactly were the desires that caused the Arabs to conjecture regarding female idols Allat, al-?Uzza, and Manat? Those who take their desires as gods, end up personifying these desires in idol form, fulfilling the words of the Qur’an
Have you seen him who takes his desires as god?” [S?rah al-Jathiya:23]
The main irony in the concept of intercession of the Arabs was that the women in Arabian society did not hold any real position of influence in their society. Yet, the female deities, according to the Arabs, had the station with Allah to influence His decisions! As compared with Allat, Manat, and al-?Uzza, Hubal lacks specific connective attributes. He was a male with a golden arm – a replacement of a broken-off stone arm when Hubal came into possession of the Quraysh. Hubal’s cult associated with him involving divination and forecasting of future events. The idolaters most momentous claims were reserved for other idols which they claimed held a specific station and divine intimate connection with Allah.
Dunkin stated Hubal (read Allah) was the result of a long process of evolution from the Ba’al deities of other lands… This association would have been based upon similarities of station and function held in common by these gods in each area.
It should come as no shock that these unnamed and unknown Baal deities are never mentioned nor are the regions they came from. On only one occasion do we find Dunkin referring to a “station and function held in common”. Noting that the polytheists attributed three daughters to Allah, Dunkin saw a connection with Baal, a deity mentioned in the late Bronze Age cuneiform alphabetic texts discovered in 1928 at Ras Shamra, Syria, because he had three daughters. On the basis of this single piece of information Dunkin readily identifies Baal with Allah. Not dissimilar to his other startling claims, he posits no evidence whatsoever for this assertion, other than alluding to “some modifications and evolution” which allowed Baal to become Allah “with three daughters”. With these few words Dunkin rescues himself from properly evaluating the substance of his claim, hoping to capture an air of credibility by making a passing reference to Baal In The Ras Shamra Texts. In this book Kapelrud explains that Baal’s family consisted of father, mother, brothers, sisters and son as well as various helpers and messengers. Dunkin’s lack of critical insight extends further than the misappropriation of Baal’s family. The Ugaritist Cyrus Gordon briefly studied the geographic origin of the so-called “daughters” of Allah and concluded the names in the triad bore no resemblance with the daughters of Baal, whilst pointing out Allah and Baal Shamen were “rival deities”. Meaning they are not the same.
The hypothesis that Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah suffers from serious difficulties. In the battle of Uhud, the distinction between the followers of Allah and the followers of Hubal is made clear by the statements of Prophet Muh?ammad and Abu Sufyan. Ibn Hisham narrates in the biography of the Prophet:
When Abu Sufyan wanted to leave he went to the top of the mountain and shouted loudly saying, ‘You have done a fine work; victory in war goes by turns. Today in exchange for the day (of Badr). Show your superiority, Hubal,’ i.e. vindicate your religion. The apostle told ‘Umar to get up and answer him and say, God [Allah] is most high and most glorious. We are not equal. Our dead are in paradise; your dead are in hell.
The same incident is narrated in S?ah??h of al-Bukhari with a slightly different wording:
Abu Sufyan ascended a high place and said, “Is Muhammad present amongst the people?” The Prophet said, “Do not answer him.” Abu Sufyan said, “Is the son of Abu Quhafa present among the people?” The Prophet said, “Do not answer him.” Abu Sufyan said, “Is the son of Al-Khattab amongst the people?” He then added, “All these people have been killed, for, were they alive, they would have replied.” On that, ‘Umar could not help saying, “You are a liar, O enemy of Allah! Allah has kept what will make you unhappy.” Abu Sufyan said, “Superior may be Hubal!” On that the Prophet said (to his companions), “Reply to him.” They asked, “What may we say?” He said, “Say: Allah is More Elevated and More Majestic!” Abu Sufyan said, “We have (the idol) al-‘Uzza, whereas you have no ‘Uzza!” The Prophet said (to his companions), “Reply to him.” They said, “What may we say?” The Prophet said, “Say: Allah is our Helper and you have no helper.”
To this hadiths the Orientalist has added or interpolated few more words that at this point is irrelevant to write.
Tradition clearly refutes the missionaries’ claim that Allah and Hubal were identical. Furthermore, Abu Sufyan, the chieftain of the Quraysh, became a Muslim in 8 AH just a few days before the liberation of Makkah, after a personal council with the Prophet He swallowed his pride and admitted that:
By God, I thought that had there been any God with God, he would have continued to help me.
In other words, Hubal and al-?Uzza which Abu Sufyan had proclaimed as gods neither assisted nor helped him to defeat the Muslims. He then accepted Allah as the one, supreme God beside whom there exists no other god. Furthermore, he was also personally involved in the smashing of the idol of Allat, one of the so called daughters of Allah. It must also be added that if the idol of Hubal which occupied the Ka?bah in Makkah represented the image of Allah, then why did Muh?ammad order it to be destroyed? He could easily have left the statue as it was and justified it as the image of Allah, thus making it far easier for those transitioning from polytheism to monotheism. History records this never happened, rather Muh?ammad ordered all the idols destroyed. It is not difficult to see why this is the case if one pays attention to the Islamic sources, especially those which inform us directly about the life and times of Muh?ammad. Consider the following. The most supreme delight in the afterlife is the ability to see Allah. Anticipating this humbling and blissful moment is a source of immense joy and happiness for all the believers. We find narrated in the S?ah??h of al-Bukhari the following report:
On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?” The Prophet said, “Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?” They said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle.” He said, “Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?” They said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle.” He said, “So you will see Him, like that. Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say, ‘whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that thing),’ so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities…
The RAT, bijon shah, insulting the Deen-e-Islam by using a cuss word. He could have used other words such as saying that Islam is plagiarized from…….
I can narrate hundreds of example, suffice is just one to prove the RAT bijon shah LIED:
Where did Noah’s Arc landed? The bible says on Mt. Ararat, but Qura’n says on Mt. Judy.
“”And the word was spoken: “O earth! swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease [thy rain]!” And the water sank into the earth, and the will [of God] was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judi. And the word was spoken: “Away with these evil doing folk!” (Quran, 11:44).”
The 9th century Arab geographer Ibn Khordadbih identified the location of mount Judi as being in the land of Kurdistan (Al-Akrad), and the Abbasid historian Abu al-Hasan ‘Al? al-Mas’?d? (c. 896-956) recorded that the spot where it came to rest could be seen in his time. Masudi also said that the Ark began its voyage at Kufa in central Iraq and sailed to Mecca, where it circled the Kaaba, before finally travelling to Judi. The geographer and encyclopedist Yaqut al-Hamawi (1179–1229), also known as Al-Rumi, placed the mountain “above Jazirat ibn Umar, to the east of the Tigris” and mentioned a mosque built by Noah that could be seen in his day, and the traveller Ibn Battuta passed by the mountain in the 14th century.
It is worth to not that when the Ark lifted it was carried to Kaaba where it circumbulated 7 times, even though the Ruby was lifted up in the heaven, before water recessed and landing on Mt. Judi.
In the 1980s, adventurer and self-styled archaeologist Ron Wyatt and his colleague David Fasold claimed to have discovered Noah’s Ark at Durup?nar, some twenty miles from Mt. Ararat near a mountain locals called Cudi Da??. Fasold later vacillated on the claim. In the 1990s, Bill Crouse, another ark-researcher, claimed that the Cudi Dagh was located in southern Turkey. According to Crouse: “Cudi Dagh is located approximately 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat in southern Turkey almost within eyesight of the Syrian and Iraqi borders. The Tigris River flows at its base. The exact co-ordinates are 37°21?N 42°17?E … just east of the present Turkish city of Gizre and still within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu). The Nestorians … built several monasteries around the mountain including one on the summit called ‘The Cloister of the Ark’. It was destroyed by lightning in 766 A.D. The Muslims later built a mosque on the site. In 1910, Gertrude Bell explored the area and found a stone structure still at the summit with the shape of a ship called by the locals ‘Sefinet Nebi Nuh’ ‘The Ship of Noah’.”
If Qura’n was plagiarized from other scriptures, how it is the Qura’nic version are verified by archeology and science, while other scriptures do not stand the test.
This is not the end of demonizing Islam by the Orientalist and the RAT bijon shah to misguide humanity. They can do whatever they want Islam will conquer the hearts and mind of masses. It is the Empire of Faith.
“This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL-ISLAM” 5:3.
Assalamu-Elekum
Cotd: As for bijon shah the RAT assertion that the temple in Jerusalem was built by King Prophet Salomon (a.s) is not true. The foundation of the temple was laid down by Prophet Jacob (a.s) a k a as Israel son of Isaac (a.s) son of Prophet Abraham (a.s). Ismael (a.s) was paternal uncle to Prophet Jacob (a.s) that started building temple but was left uncompleted.
Assalamu-Elekum
IVC predates Hinduism, Bhuddism and Jainsim.
Hinduism wiped Jainsim and Bhuddism from the region that u call the nation India.
Sindh WA Hindh where Hindh is south Asian basin of India and Sindh West of Indus. When Muhammad bin Qasim came much of IVC was Muslim but Zorastrian remained – Hinduism was not the major religion.
For that matter there was no Hinduism it came with The British with the rest of your recent created history.
@ Akhbar Navees: You have posted my second comments before posting the first. If you have a problem with the first, posting the second was not necessary as it falls short to rebut bijon shah’s abuse and insult of Islam.
I was indeed shocked when you posted his Insults, knowing that he is a provocateur and stooge implant of R A W.
I put lot of effort and time to organize a response in a way that would be informative to Muslims as well. Though I wish I had done better, as there are lot more materiel that could be added to counter the Kafir,s verbal onslaught.
Know that none of my response to Dawn.com in defense of Paksitan is posted. However Dawn will post every comments that are anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan and that which favors Hindus or Bharat.
Similarly any news outlet of Bharat will not post any anti-Bharat comments.
You could have reciprocated the same by not posting the cuss words that was used against Islam by bijon shah.
If you decide to post my first comment of Sept. 17 at 4.44 am then delete this one. On the other hand if you choose not to, it does not effect my health or peace of mind.
Assalamu-Elekum
Was publishing the 1st and 2nd comment on Muslaman Times and Rupee News. You should see it now!
Dawn.com did not publish my comments either.
We should be rebutting dawn.com on fajar.com
thank you Abdallah Jan – A very well composed rebuke.
Thanks but I don’t think I can convert it into an article.
I have corrected few mistakes I made.
The land west of beas river has always been known as outsider or foreigners to Bhartis.
Bhartis used to call region of Indus valley as Bahika/vahika country and their people were called mlechas meaning foreigners or outsiders. Another name which bhartis gave us was Uttarapatha.
The supreme truth is we are masters of our destiny “there is no hell below us and above us only sky.”
I have some serious question to ask…and as per the name you know i am not influenced by super natural powers or any religious institutions.
I read this from one of the links in this website..
Hinduism was a religion invented by British…..
Partly true…If you go by the Hindu texts (NO I AM NOT A HINDU), It says Hinduism is a way of living..
SO Yes Hinduism was given a name invented as a religion by the British…..
Now people Beyond the Hindukush mountains and the from the IVC were called Indus or Indis (Which again is from your website)
Now my question is the people that you guys refer to as a “Ganians” where did they migrate from?
If they have migrated from the Indus say during the fall of the IVC they should have brought some ideas along with them which probaly later evolved in to the concept of Hinduism and the religion followed in India.
Now if the claim is that they migrated from South of India..Then why do the genetic structure of the people in North India lay in almost same lines as the ones across the border.
Now my simple explanation of why Hindu Gods are monkey faced and have 6-8 hands around their belly…
You guys have been discussing how old the civilizations are and if you look the older civilization would have Gods with an Animal trait..(Ra had a head of a Horus)and probably to entice people the Gods should something out of the ordinary to have people believe in them..and most are related to the natural things that we have on earth
Now if Christianity was perched with JESUS with 6 hands it would have made sense b’coz people started to evolve and started understanding this better(hardly 2011 years back)
Now of all the idol worship around him if Prophet (Peace be upon him)
brought another picture and claimed that the Koran was from God(Most of things said are good for Humanity)..It would have been tough for people to accept it..So let there be no new idols…
Sorry if I have mentioned anything wrong here…Sorry for the ignorance and you guys should help me understand things….
Yours Truly
HUMAN
People along the Indus were called Sindhu and East of the Ravi were called Hindu
Brother Akbar, I seriously doubt what you have just mentioned. Please help me in getting more about the “SINDHU and “HINDU”
As far as I know The Sanskrit word Sindhu means river….
The word Sindhu became Hindu in Old Persian……
The ancient Greeks referred to the Indians (present-day India beyond the Indus River) as Indoi the people of the Indus…..
Again correct me if I am wrong and please suggest articles that suggest the differences and with historical data and evidences…..
Why did Bharat name itself on a river in a different country.
Your doubts cannot be supported by facts on the ground.
Arabs called it Sindh and Hindh–
All this is in the original article.
All European power had “East-India-companies”. The Dutch called Indo-Nesia as India, the Frech called Vinetanm as Indo-China (their India). Columbus called America India…and so on and so forth. Alexander referred to himself as Macedonian, and sailed down the Indus—so he may have referred to the people of the Indus as Indios. However they had another word Indike which referred to East of Ravi. Hellenic South Asia was known as the Gandhara civlization that existed on the banks of the Indus (Taxila). “Greek” names proliferate the landscape, Paktia and Bactria even today. Qandhar is a corurption of Alexander a city which he founded.
However Homer in his Oddesy (1,22-4) referred to the erea as “Aethiopians of the East”. The first Greek author who vistied South Asia was Cyraian Scylax. He wrote a geographical account of an expedition following the Indus from its headwaters to its mouth. He was talking about the people of the Indus (“Pakistan”), not people of the Ganges (Bharat)
Not sure which “Greeks” you are referring to. Greeks even today will not allow Macedonia to call itself “Macedonia”.
Authors like Magentheus did not call it “India”. In fact, they had other words for it.
Eumenes of Kardia, Alexander’s secretary, wrote an Ephemerides.
Chares of Mitylene, wrote about Alexander’s private life.
Kallisthenes of Olynthos.
Kleitarchos (Clitarchus) of Rhodes, wrote a life of Alexander.
Androsthenes of Thasos wrote a Paraplus.
Polykleitos of Larissa, wrote a history of Alexander with geographical details.
Kyrsilos of Pharsalos.
Anaximenes of Lampsakos.
Diognetos measured and recorded the distances of Alexander’s marches.
Archelaos, a geographer.
Amyntas, wrote about Alexander’s Stathmoi, i.e. stages or halting-places.
Patrokles, a writer on geography.
Megasthenes, wrote an Indika and is probably the most valuable of these writers, followed by Strabo, Arrian, Pliny the Elder, Diodorus Siculus, Plutarch, and Justinus.
Diodotos of Erythrai, wrote an Ephemerides,
Churchill was right, “India is as much a country as the equator”.
India from SANDA:
Ancient Bushashki language( abt 3000 yrs old)of notheren pakistan had the original word for river ( cambridge encyclopedia)’Sanda’;It became skt Sinda/sindu; Pakistan’s ancient most neighbour ” Elamites”( 3000BC- 300 BC) dravidian’s cousin had problem in phonating ‘s’and useed to replace it with ‘h” So we have words, hinda,hindus,hindu,hinduism all orignating in Iran;persian language was bult absorbing all that rich Elamitic literature very recently ~ 100 BC. Elaborated in my book in ch 4th.
Dear Secular human and Akhbar bhai:
While you guys seem to be well groomed in ancients; Pl note greeks and Skt are not ancient. Skt writing dont exist prior to abt 200 Ad and greeks are only new players since abt 3-400 BC.All the modern history of india is ” biblically manufactured” by british and is ” pure racism/fraud”.
Now coming to naming any thing; you very rarely name yourself; Others name you, your country etc; The word SIND is NOT SKT as i have mentioned;it is borrowed from Brushashki of northern pakistani tribes and only means ‘any river’ similar to ‘GANGA’ a chinese word meaning ‘any river’;Rig ved mentions sapath sindhu( 7 rivers) read earlier post for details.
SO Elamites named ” hinda/hindu” etc. Muslim historian much later using biblical racism ( See Farishta’s History) wrote abt 4, sons of HAM s/o Noah,; hind, sindh,maratt,gujrat linking them to Linguistic races in hindustan. Is’n't that funny but see my book for details. It is same as ” indo-euro-aryan” of biblical Japhet had 7 sons linked to greek,latin,Skt, slovak, gothic etc.