Pakasia: The future of Pakistan

“Pakistan manzil nahin–nishan e manzil hai”

Those who are scared by the treacherous bombs or the temporary physical discomforts of the infrastructure must remember that millions gave their lives, property, and life-style to create a new country on the map of the world. We have external enemies who exploit our weaknesses and internal Mir Jaffars who take advantage of their links with the enemies of Pakistan. Pakistan is not unique in this matter, All countries of the world face such issues. The Koreans a couple of decades ago were steeped in penury and civil war. With their country still divided, they endure and some parts prosper. In the 40s China was supposed to be parsed up into small cantons with Shanghai and Manchuria going to Japan, the outlying areas surrounding Hong Kong going to Britain, Tibet coveted by Bharat (aka India), Russia eyeing Xinjiang, and other powers looking for weaknesses. It was a visionary Mao that unified the country by first eliminating the internal dissensions and then defeating the external dangers.

The Ottomans were not so lucky. In 1822 they saw their territories carved up by the European powers and parsed out to the most corrupt and despicable servants of the French and British Raj. Divorced by from their mother country, the Central Asia countries were in a limbo and were eventually gobbled up up by Lenin’s Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Levant was partitioned from mother Turkey and unable to survive as a united Arab entity –it cracked like a windshield, the parched lands splattered into small pieces, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon. Sudan was then separated from Egypt, and South Sudan separated from Sudan. Lebonon was separated from Syria, Kuwait from the truncated Iraq. From the Maghreb to the Indian Ocean Arab lands were used, abused, raped and gifted by non-owners to Europeans of one sort or another.

Colonial power have thrown philosophies to confound and confuse the Muslims. On an ideological level the new “isms” have some appeal to the English speaking wannabes–because every new “ism” that is thrown their way is profitable in a material sense for them. Obviously a lot of marketing resources are used to develop and then brainwash those that face the onslaught.

Socrates was poisoned not because he supported “democracy”, but because he opposed it. Socrates thought of democracy as “mobocracy”. His dialectic materialism defined mobocracy deteriorating into dictatorship etc. Plato considered women as community property and had no use for the masses. The Greek Republic of Athens was extinguished not because of foreign invasion, but because of the perpetual Peloponnesian wars. Athens repeatedly attacked Sparta. Athens perpetual mimic warfare extinguished “democracy” at home, and eventually led to its absorption into Sparta.

A panorama in 12 folds showing a fabulous Eid ...

A panorama in 12 folds showing a fabulous Eid ul-Fitr procession by Muslims in the Mughal Empire. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The Mughal Empire was destroyed on the alter of majoritarianism and a new word–”democracy” that had been dug up from Greek archives. Neither the Magna Carta, nor the American constitution contains the word. In fact the American Republic was created specifically rejecting “democracy–as evidenced by the discussion in the Federalist Papers. “coined” in the 40s. “Democracy” was used to dismantle the Ottoman Empire and Mughal Empire.

(Image of the delegates to the first meeting o...

(Image of the delegates to the first meeting of the Indian National Congress in Bombay, 1885. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The Union Jack had connived with the Safron Brigade and promised the Hindus a return to their past –some would argue manufactured glory, if they jilted the Mughal rulers. Enticed with a vision a Ram Raj from Kabul to Bali–they jumped. There were many vision for South Asia in the 40s. While Jinnah was concerned in struggling against majoritarianism in South Asia, he waged a single-handled battle against the twin evils of British Colonialism and Hindu Ram Raj. “Secularism” was used as a pseudonym for “Hindu Rashtra– light”.

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali had a seminal role in describing the vision and the future of the Muslims in South and Central Asia. He has not been given the credit that he deserves. His personality conflicts with Jinnah overshadowed his achievements. It was Rehmat Ali, who not only was the cartographer of Alam Iqbal’s global vision, he also choreographer of the events that led to the creation of Pakistan, and its future vision. The cross-pollination of ideas between Iqbal, Ali and Jinnah is incredible and a subject of several Phds. All three started out as “Indian nationalists”. However there is a caveat. Their “Indian nationalism” has been misread by Jaswant Singh and company who think of Jinnah as some sort of nationalist who wanted Akhand Bahrat.

In actual fact the “nationalism” of Iqbal, Ali and Jinnah–all educated in the West was a reaction to the nationalism of the West. As the Britishers, and Germans waved their flags, all three recoiled and cringed. Iqbal came up with the Hindi Tarana, and Jinnah focused on the political of the day. As Mohammad Ali Jinnah became more and more disenchanted with the Brahman Club called the Indian National Congress, he was constantly guided by the critical analysis of Chaudhry Rehmat Ali–who also was also going through a a metamorphosis. Iqbal started out singing “saray jahan main acha Hindustan hamara’ but ended up with “khanjar hilal ka hai quami nishan hamara”.

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali laid out the vision for all Muslims of South and Central Asia and the Middle East.

  1. Pakistan is our base
  2. Dinia is our field of action
  3. Pakasia is our goal

The League’s indebtedness to Ch Rahmat Ali should not be minimized. over and above what has been said above, one more example may be given.

“..the inconsiderable fact remains, in its fundaments, the clash is neither-religious, nor inter-communal, nor even economic. It is in fact an international conflict between two national ambitions–Muslem for survival and Hindu for supremacy”–Ch Rahamt Ali

“The problem in India is not of an inter-communal character, but manifestly on an international one, and must be treated as such”. M.A. Jinnah

Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Muhammad Ali Jinnah (Photo credit: yes yes hi)

The entire body politics of the Musalmans of South Asia was going through a colossal paradigm shift. After being harassed for a hundred years by the joint forces of the Hindu Mahasabah (Bad Cop) and the Indian National Congress (Good Cop), and facing the wrath of a biased referee (British Raj) the Muslims were searching for survival in a country that has been snatched from them. The loss of Bengal (Orrissa, Bihar and Bengal) to Lord Clive was a the beginning of the decline of Muslims power. The British connived with the Hindus to disenfranchise the Muslims by first imposing the Devanagri script on them–making the Muslims illiterate overnight, and then snatching their kingdoms in Bengal, Awadh and other areas. With the cultural centers in British hands, the outlier areas were left defenseless. The British made sure that they were kept tribal. Thus West Punjab was tribal, as was Balochistan and Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa. Kashmir was of course the “Hilly region of Punjab” not a separate entity.

Dr. Jamil Khan author of Urdu/Hindi an artificial divide adds the following.

  • 1786- William Jones creates Aryan/Semitic language race fraud–and tries to build the Hindu-European Aryan brother hood.
  • 1800 Ft William College makes Bengali and Hindi as Hindu languages–calls Urdu as Muslim and foreign
  • 1816 British starts ” Hindu college” the seed of Calcutta University. Muslim’s were NOT allowed to enroll. A shocking policy –that closed English education to Muslims (See p 237 in Urdu/Hindi an artificial divide).
  • By 1870s Hindus, mainly Bengali Hindus monopolized modern English education.
  • The Muslim majority of Bengal (including Bihar, Orrisa, Assam) turned into a backward illiterate have-not group.
  • 1871 census revealed Muslim majority in East and in West Bengal
  • 1884: In late 1881 William Hunter was appointed to conduct an Education Commission into the state of education in India. The Hunter Commission published its detailed report in 1884 and its focus was to explain the failure of Charles Wood’s Education Dispatch of 1854 and to recommend reform. The principal objective of Wood’s Dispatch had been to spread government and mission education to the broader population in India.
  • Pathetic condition of Bengali Muslims emerges- Hunter commission (http://www.chaf.lib.latrobe.edu.au/dcd/hunter.htm)   investigated the result of “NOT admitting Muslims in the HINDU college” so in 1871 commission revealed the following;
    — of 14 Assistant engineers ,50 accountants,and 22 other high positions THERE WAS NO Muslim.
    –of 65 over seers there were only 2 Muslims.
  • Commission initiated reforms/ reservation etc for Muslims of Bengal AND Hindu Bengalis started opposition–ending in the formation of congress
  • Muslims started some movement for education and fight for job (Sir Syed took lead) (Advanced study in the history of modern India, Volume 2 By G. S. Chhabra)

The condition of the Muslims deteriorated precipitously between 1776 and 1857 (Plassy to War of Independence). However as attested to by Jaswant Singh in his book “Jinnah”, the decline of the Muslims from 1857 onwards was even more catastrophic. The Mughal Empire even when it existed in name provided succor and comfort to the Muslims and of course was a huge employer.

Continent of Dinia and dependencies Chaudhry Rehmat Ali . This map shows the Muslim majority aras of South Asia. This was the vision for Pakistan and Bangistan. Quaid e Azam struggled and the Muslims struggles for this solution. Chaudhry Rehmat Ali described the Continent of “Dinia” and dependencies. Ch. Rehmat Ali’s map depicted Muslim rule in South Asia after the British left. The Muslim homelands would be carved out of “Dinia”. This was the struggle for independence. Rehmat Ali and the Muslims wanted the region returned to Muslim rule as it was before the British arrived

Chaudhry Rahmat Ali’s Pakistan National Movement submitted the following:

1) New interpretation of the Muslim history of the subcontinent in terms of three revolutions:

a) Sequel of the first revolution which coincides with the the later Muslim rule, which “reduced our Fraternity from the position of a mighty force to that of a medium factor in the power-politics of the world. Further it punished our Millat for the blunder of following “Dynasticism”, of fraternizing with “Indianism, and of establishing a heterogeneous state in the Continent of Dinia. Furthermore, it eclipsed our nation in Pakistan, Bangistan, and Osmanistan; extinguished our empire in Dinia; upset the equilibrium of Asia to our disadvantage as a people; and started a new cycle in the history of the world”.

b) Sequel of the second revolution after 1857:

“…among other things, it further degraded our Fraternity from a medium force to a minor factor in the power politics of the world, revived ‘Indianism’ to an amazing degree, and reducing the Millat throughout Dinai. broke up her social cohesion and turned her intelligentsia into a mass of wage-slaves and blind careerists”.

“At the end of this revolution, while most other peoples in our position were re-integrating themselves into nation, we were dissolving our Millat herself into Indian castes and communities”.

“..The crisis of Indian Federation which nearly wrote the epitaph of our Millat in 1932, when our “leaders” at the round Table Conferences, succumbing to the pressure and persuasion of the Anglo-Hindu entente, surrendered our 1200 year old national position, renounced our birth-right to distinct nationhood, and accepted the destructive and dishonorable principle of “Indianization” of our Millat throughout the Continent of Dinia.”

c) Third revolution started in 1933 with the Pak plan, “Which was to save us from the national self-destruction on the altar of “Indianism”, safeguard our right to distinct national existence, mark the appearance of de-Indianized Muslim country of nearly 35 million people, protect the heritage of the first three centuries of our history, inflict the first decisive defeat on the forces of “Indianism”, and last but by no means the least, alter for ever the course of history of the Milalt or Dinia, and I dare say Asia”

The goal was to attain sovereign freedom of the Millat and supreme fulfillment of her mission in Pakasia leading to the creation of a new world “a world with its peoples and nations remade, with its continents and countries re-mapped, with its seas and skies recharted, and with its surface and subterraneous wealth re-distributed. It will be a world inspired by new principles and purposes, helped by new developments and discoveries of science, directed by new men and methods, and pledged to new tasks and triumphs.”

2) The second scheme was the promulgation of the following sever commandments of destiny for the “seventh continent of Dinia”.

i) Avoid “Minorityism”

ii) Avow Nationalism

iii) Acquire proportional territory

iv) Consolidate the individual Nations.

v) Coordinate them under “Pak Commonwealth of Nations”

vi) Convert “India” into “dinia”

vii) Organize “Dinia” and its Dependencies into “Pakasia”

It is obvious that the clairvoyant Chaudhary Rahmat Ali had already been to the mountain and seen the other side. Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Alama Iqbal came to the same conclusion–it just came later. It was the constant pressure of Chaudhry Rahamat Ali that kept the Muslim League on “sirat ul mustqeem” and stopped it from making grave errors.

The need of the hour was a Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Bharati demonization of the man not withstanding, if Jinnah did not exist, he would have been invented. Jinnah was simply a reflection of what was going on around him. His Two Nation theory was actually a play back of the Two Nation Theories of Lai, Haldiram, Gowalkar, and Savarkar. The Hindu Mahasabah was not only bent upon expelling, converting or killing the Muslims at an intellectual level, they had actually begun to operationalize the forced conversion through Shuddi and Sangatham.

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali rose up to the challenge:

“In pursuit of that decision, I first dedicated my life to the cause of the faith, the Fraternity, and the Fatherland, and then drafted the Declaration, ‘Now or Never’ which embodied the first part of my Pak Plan.”

He proposed:

  1. Recognition of the distinct nationhood of Pakistan
  2. Creation of a Federation of Pakistan separate from the Federation of India
  3. Stress on the unlimited possibilities of Islamic Renaissance
  4. Protection of the heritage from “further Indianization”.

He had the utmost respect for Iqbal.

Sir Muhammad Iqbal that immortal poet of Islam, whose poetry served as a beacon light in the darkest period of our history, and whose message will ever help us on the way to our destiny” Chaudhary Rahmat Ali.Chaudhary Rahmat Ali

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali’s timely vision arrived at an opportune time. After being booed in the Indian National Congress by an upstart who had recently arrived in South Asia from a foreign land, Mohammad Ali Jinnah– a very senior member of the INC had left South Asia and had gone to London in disgust. What compelled him to come back.

It was Alama Iqbal?

This is where it starts getting more and more interesting. While Jinnah was waging a constitutional struggle against colonialism and hegemony, Chaudhry Rehmat Ali free of any logistical constraints was free to visualize the future of South Asia and Central Asia. While many in South Asia were stuck in the mental quagmire of “India”–Chaurdhry Rehmat Ali was looking out for a future of the Musalmans. He clearly saw that Pakistan was a beginning—he saw a new perception and clearly defined it.

“In the five Northern Provinces of India, out of a total population of about forty million, we, the Muslims constitute about thirty million. Our religion, culture, history, tradition, economic system, laws of inheritance, succession and marriage are basically and fundamentally different from those of the people living in the rest of India. The ideals which more our thirty million brethren-in-faith living in these provinces to make the highest sacrifices are fundamentally from those which inspire the Hindus. These differences are not confined to the broad basic principles far from it. They extend to the minutest details of our lives. We do not interline; we do not inter-marry. Out national customs and calendars, even our diet and dress are different.”

“Hindus and Muslims are the followers of two essentially and fundamentally different religious systems”. For Chaudhary Rahmat Ali India is a not a single country nor a home of one single nation. It is a Subcontinent where peoples of different nationalities live. India is a “a state created by the British”. This alternative of a separate Federation “will lay the foundation of a peaceful future for this great subcontinent; and should certainly allow the the highest development of each of these two peoples without one being subject to another”.

“The boundary of Pakistan are is taken up to the right bank of the Jamuna. The Muslims of Pakistan are in their national home. The Muslims in Hindustan went there are conquerors. Therefore Hindustan was the Muslim Empire, where for nine hundred years they ruled over a vast native majority. But when they lost this colonial empire, as distinct from Pakistan, the Muslims who settled in these Muslim Imperial Dominions of Hindustan became a minority community in Hindustan. At the time of the fall of their Empire, had the Muslims possessed leaders with vision and courage they could have preserved the national as well as territorial integrity of their homelands in Pakistan. In that Federation, Pakistan was made only an administrative unit of,and therefore under the Indian Federation. Thus the Pakistanis were to be reduced to a mere minority community belonging to the Hindu nation and subordinated to the supremacy of Hindustan. The Pakistan National movement aims at reintegrating of Muslims in Pakistan. We know that within Hindustan we will be a minority community but, outside it, a virile nation of forty-two million”.

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Legal India Pakistan map. Map of India. Map of Pakistan. Map of Bangladesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Conversion of South Asia into Dinia (a continent based on religion)–with several Muslim homelands. Pakistan was only one of them in the Western ramparts of South Asia. Bang-Islamistan was an independent homeland in the East, and there were others. The remaining land would be Hindustan.

2) Looking to build a millat across South and Central Asia. Ali had a vision for the future, after Pakistan had been formed

3) Just like Ghazni and Babur had looked East and South, Ali clearly looked toward Dushambe and Ferghana–Westwards towards Central Asia and the Middle East to create PakAsia.

4) PakAsia would be the future of Central Asia led by Pakistan.

Ch Rehmat Ali in a memorable speech to a meeting of the Supreme Council of the Pakistan National Movement held at Karachi on 8th March 1940. But the original plan can be traced to 1937, soon after the enactment of the 1935 Constitution, when “he announced the name of Bang-e-Islamstan for Bengal and Assam, and that of Osmanistan for Hyherabad-_Deccan and addressed a message to the Muslims in those lands through his selected men, whom he deputed to launch unofficially his plans for their political reconstruction along national line.” The justification for Bang-e-Islam, which he gave in his 1940 speech, speaks of the right of self-determination on the basis of the majority of Muslim population. But “the Anglo-Hindu entente has denied the right by reducing our numerical majority to a political minority and our national status to the position of a community. Here he urged for “the creation of a Bengal national movement”–”a national organization in every national stronglhold”, because it is “imperative that in the future reconstruction of our people which can now only be in widely separated lands, we must take care to make every unit as firm in its foundations, as strong in structure, and as self-sufficient in every respect as possible”. This strengthening of another national unit was necessary because “weakness in our national lands led to greater weakness throughout our Empire and hat in its turn caused an all embracing disaster” .

Ch Rahmat Ali justified Osmanistan on a different ground: “Osmanistan is a part of our patrimony: and as such her future is inseparably bound up with that of the Millat”.

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali was a bit ahead of the curve on separatism and independence–a few light years ahead of the League. Ali had already determined that South Asia could not be a country–so he defined it as “Dinia” refusing to call it “India”. It took the Muslim League a few more years to come to the same conclusion.

Chaudhry Rahmat Ali made his proposal of ten nations in 1940 and disapproved of any “Indianess” or “All India” anything…”I have called for the fundamental changes in the basis and in the aims of our existing “All India” institutions, changes–that would once de-Indianize and Diniaize them in spirit and outlook as well as in action and scope. Bush such is the relentless pressure and persuasion of the vested, vicious interests that these institutions have blindly continued to function along the old lines of “All Indianism” and to confine their aims to the nationhood of Pakistan and Bangistan”

In view of the impending meeting of the All India Muslim League to be held in the second half of March in 1940 at Lahore in which the famous Lahore Resolution was to be passed, Ch Rahmat Ali’s speech assumes great importance. From “separate Muslim Federation of five units in the North west” to the position “to rid ourselves of Indianism” Ch Rahmat Ali has gone far ahead in his basis for the solution of the Indian issue…his Pakistan National Movement had prepared the ground for his earlier proposal of Muslim majority (and hence national status) in the Northwest. The same principle of Muslim majority applied equally well to Bengal. The All India Muslim League, in its Lahore Resolution, also opted for the same principle and hence emphatically demanded “independent states in the North Western and Eastern Zones of India”. The League completely omitted Osmanistan because that did not come within the meaning of the principle. On the other hand the League Resolution refrained from using the word “Pakistan”, but instead added the phrase “geographically contiguous units” which later led to the partition of the territories in the “national lands” of Ch Rahmat Ali who had never though of any partition and less the “home” territory. Nay his argument of millat versus “indianism”…led to different directions.

“Again it is very same realization that now impels me to submit that, if we really wish to rid ourselves of “Indianism”, to reastablish our nationhood as distinct from “India”, and to link our national domains to on another as South Asiatic countries, we must scrap All India Muslim League as such and create instead alliances of the nations of Pakistan, Bengal and Osmanistan”.

His Millat at this time is seen…as an alliance of Pakistan Bengal…This higher concept of an international orgnaization which Ch Rahmat Ali proposed in his speech led him to be aware of the “menace of Indianism”…he saw it from the viewpoint of the Hindu jati and the Islamic Millat and advised the Muslims “to sever all ties with India”, to save the Millat from ‘Indianism’ and to server “Pax Islamica”.

 

Our maps should show Pakistan and the Muslim lands, not Pakistan and all of so called "India". We look to the West and North, not East and South

Our maps should show Pakistan and the Muslim lands, not Pakistan and all of so called “India”. We look to the West and North, not East and South

This is the Muslim perspective and our maps should depict this perspective. Our maps should show the Muslim perspective, not the Bharati or British perspective. The location of Pakistan on the regional map must show our future, not our past.

Map of Pakistan Afghan Union

Map of Pakistan Afghan Union

Maps are one of the most important instruments of presenting visions. Chaudhry Rehamt Ali did that brilliantly. He displayed how the future would look like. European maps of the world show Britain in the middle. American maps show the US in the middle.All Western maps depict “Northern” countries bigger and larger and Southern countries as smaller. Thus Greenland a small island is shown as big as Africa–and minor Canadian islands are displayed as big as several Southern countries. Pakistani maps are impoverished and nasty.

Junagarh & Manvadar are Pakistani territory

 

 

 

 

Chinese Pakistani Nexus map. The Trade between China and Pakistan consolidates a friendship as old as the Himalayas. Bharati (aka Indian) analysts are increasingly worried about the growing nexus between Pakistan and China–increasingly called as “Chipak” on the pattern of “ChiAmerica”. Many analysts are beginning to see the world divided among the two superpowers China and America (ChiAmerica) and the regional force in at least West and South Asia being ChiPak. With the US increasingly looking after the Americas and Europe, it would be natural to give China the areas in which it has the greatest influence already–Asia and Africa. Why ‘Chinusa’, Chipak will rule the world & why Chindia failed–An Indian perspective

Not only has Bharat overwhelmed the media with inaccurate maps, but Pakistani news channels still also depict the inaccurate Pakistan maps. Two years ago Rupee News started the “Global Campaign to correct Pakistani maps”. Our first target was Geo TV. After faxing dozens of letters, and emailing hundreds of notes, many of the anchors corrected the maps. Most notably Hamid Mir placed a correct map of Pakistan in the background. Geo uses many correct maps, but its news division lapses and uses Bharati maps. Aaj uses correct maps, and Dunya is the worst offender–for obvious reasons. Dunya represents the 5th column.

http://rupeenews.com/2008/02/12/global-campaign-to-correct-pakistani-maps-kashmir-northern-areas-siachin-sir-creek-junagarh-and-manvadar/

 

Central Asian Republics Tajikistan Pakistan Uzbekistan Kyrgyzistan

This is how Pakistani maps should be presented

Pakistan maps are based on the British Empire which wanted to show the British Indian Empire as a single unit. The same maps serve the purpose of the Bharati government.

Pakistan was not the product of the conduct or misconduct of the Hindus. It had always been there; only they were not conscious of it. Hindus and Muslims, though living in the same towns and villages, had never been blended into one nation; they were always to separate entities.” Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Pakistan is part of the ECO, and Pakistan maps should depict the future of Pakistan as PakAsia

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali’s vision, Iqbal’s foresight, and Jinnah’s work in not depicted in the current maps of Pakistan. If Pakistan is to look forward and move forward–the maps must begin at the 30° 00 N (longitude) parallel and move North. The latitude shown should be 70º 00 E and West of that. There is no point in showing all of Bharat in Pakistani maps. that gives a false picture to the youth. Pakistan maps should show Pakistan and the all the Central Asia Republics, the Middle East and Turkey. This is the future of Pakistan.

ECO: Iran Turkey Pakistan Afghanistan Khazakstan Uzbekstan Kyrgystan Turkenmenistan

ECO: Iran Turkey Pakistan Afghanistan Khazakstan Uzbekstan Kyrgystan Turkenmenistan

PakAsia is the future of Pakistan. Maps must reflect the future, not the past

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali described PakAsia in many publications that evolved over the ages. Ahmed Hasan Dani was prolifically described the evolution of Ali in his book “History of Pakistan”. In fact the entire body of knowledge of Ahmed hasn Dani is discovering the lost archeology and links of Pakistan to Central Asia–described as PakAsia by Chaudhry Rahmat Ali.

Chaudhry Rahmat Ali proposes the name PakAsia for the future of Pakistan. “understand that unlike the terms Arabsia, Australasia, Malaysia, and Caucasian, the term Pakasia has no racial significance; yet like them all, it has a both cultural and a eogrpahical connotation. Culturally, it connotes the part of Asia wherein our Pak culture is, actually or potentially, predominant; and geographically, it includes the Continent of Dinia and its dependencies, i.e. Alam Islands, Ameen islands, Safistan, Ceylon Nasaristan, Ashar Islands, and Balus Islands…cover every interest of he Millar–spiritual, strategic, of provinces or of states–and therby protect her whole heritage in the Continent of Dinia and its dependencies…the plan blessed by Allah and, of followed faithfully, pre-ordained to lead us within the next fifteen years to the achievement of Pakistan, or Bangistan, and of Osmanistan; before the end of the century to the creation of Siddiqistan, or Faruqistan, of Haideristran, or Muinistan, of Maplistan, of Saflistan, and or Nasaristan,; and in far less time then we took to build our present heritage, to the conversion of the Subcontinent of India into the continent of Dinia, and to the organization of the Continent of Dinia and its dependencies into the orbit of Pakasia”.

Al Ansar Al Haq says:

We should now focus on the discussion “Pak Asia” which does not necessarily mean a Pakistani Asia but certainly the principals of our founding fathers restoring the Islamice legacy of Asia.

This does not mean a Talibanisation of Asia but can also mean something as simple as a economic block, a more integrated Asia certainly for the sake of Islamic Central Asia maintaining good relationships with China, Russia and Europe linked to an Islamic Middle East and Maghreb.

Ahmed Hasan Dani says describes it is succinctly as follows:

“At the end the basic aims of the Pakistan National Movement, as defined in his book may be briefly summarized:

  1. Spiritually, the completion of the mission in Pakistan and in the rest of Pakistan
  2. Nationally, to live within Pakistan under Pak Laws, and to reintegrate this Pakistan with Iran, Afghanistan, and Turkharistan in order to recreate the original Pakistan; the recovery of all Pak treasures, and transfer to Pakistan of the remains of Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar.
  3. Manually to consolidate and integrate the Muslim nations into Pak Millat, and unite them into Pak Commonwealth of Nations.
  4. Fraternally, the creation of a Pan-Islamic world organization to bring together all Muslim nations and communities, all Muslim countries and regions in the world.
  5. Continentally, the elevation of all “communities in the country of India” “to sovereign nationhood in their respective homelands, and the conversion of the “Country of India” into the “Continent of Dinia”.
  6. Culturally, the organization of the Continent of Dinia and its dependencies into the Cultural orbit of Pakasia.;
  7. Internationally, the recognition of the equality of status of all nations and countries in the world–a recognition which is absolute pre-requisite for the peace, progress and prosperity of Mankind.

Ahmed Hasan Dani further elucidates us with the following analysis of Chaudhry Rehmat Ali and his ideas:

In this final analysis, Ch Rahmat Ali becomes a Pan-Islamist, though of a different type, in which he sees the fulfillment of his concent of Millat–a concept which he borrowed from Iqbal but took much beyond Iqbal in its application. Iqbal tried to see it in the perspective of the League of Nations after learning the lesson of nationalism from recent Turkish example. Ch. Rahmat Ali focused on Pakasia and evolved a Commonwealth of Pak Nations probably after the pattern of British Commonwealth.While Iqbal’s ideas remain to be worked out in future, Ch. Rahmat Ali has given to a complte systhesis as he understood the history…he calls for Non-Indian nations as opposed to the Indian nation of the Caste-Hindus. For all of them, he seeks territorial home and finally be visualizes an international order.

Sources and References: Ahmad Hasan Dani “History of Pakistan” published 2008 (ISBN 969-35-2020-3). Sang e Meel Publications. http://www.sang-e-meel.com

Pakistan–The Fatherland of the Pak Nation by Chaudhry Rahmat Ali. 1940

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  1. Abdallah Jan · 2 years ago

    Vision of Chaudhry Rahmat Ali is at the Horizon, Insha-ALLAH.

    It is imperative to expel ‘Biblical Harlot’ and her agencies and helpers from Pakistan.

    India is a non-issue, once Pakistan is cleansed from the impurities, foreign and domestic.

    When the task achieved, Nationalism buried, long march will start to conclude the un-concluded, with Divine Help.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  2. Shahbaz Sheikh · 2 years ago

    I am astounded with such a detail information, which we never learned from any text book when we were in Schools, Colleges or Universities. I must thank to the editor for bringing forward such mind opening topic.

    I thank Allah Azzawajal for giving us such leaders like Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal and Chaudhry Rahmat Ali. I am surprised that Ch. Rahmat Ali had such a foresight and it was truly quoted that he was at the top of the mountain to see the other side of future.

    I strongly hope his dreams and our dreams come true and myself and people like others will be a part of such major change in our geopolitical shift towards Pakasia concept. Takmeel-e-Pakistan.

    Wow, imagine AfPakBang (Iran and northern countries) and other states of Dinia (current India) will be Pakasia with its own Common Wealth Organization. This sounds and looks huge, I really pray to Allah to give us that much life so we could serve our country and be an active part towards building and reaching the goals.

    Pakistan Zindabad
    Allah aur Ous k Rasool ka naam hamesha Zinda rahay ga, aur is ke sahee ittibaa’a karnay walay hamesha Haq Ba Janib hongay…. Ameen

    Arabiyon, Kurdioyon, Turkio, Ghaznavioyon, Tipu Sultan jesay Muslamano k baad Allah abb is Pakistanioyon ko apnay deen ki sirbulandi k liyey Chunn lay….. Kash ye Khuaab Pora hojaye.

    Sab Dua Karain

  3. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Shahbaz:

    Chaudhry Rehmat Ali had the right vision—Alama Iqbal took it to the masses via poetry, and Jinnah and Liaqat (cannot really separate them) operationalized the plans. If Jinnah-Liaqat did not exist, we would have created them.

    Read Ahmed Hasan Dani’s book “History of Pakistan” in which he clearly describes Chaudhry Rehmat Ali’s the vision of PakAsia. Yes! Pakistani textbooks have reduced the contributions of Chaudhry Rehmat Ali to a “moniker”.

    Hint the “T” in Pakistan is not for BalochisTAN. It is for Tajikistan. The “A” is Pakistan is for Afghania.

    With all his faults, General Gul Hamid has this vision of Pakistan. In 2001 Afghanistan was part of Pakistan–even the phone numbers of the leaders were connected via the Pakistani international dialing code 92-51. The tin pot dictatorships of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan were teething and were ready to fall like tin-pots. It didn’t end with Central Asia, Tartaristan, Chechniya and Dagstan were in open revolt.

    The invasion of Afghanistan is an attempt to impede and stop PakAsia, nothing more and nothing less. It may have impeded PakAsia for a decade, but the determination is now stronger. Stay tuned for events as they unfold this Wednesday

  4. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Pakasia….Hmmmm…. Wat bout pakeurope or pakerica or even pakstralia and then even food pakdonalds pakizza hut … We even have a word pakao

  5. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Wait till Wednesday—and stay tuned to Astana!

    Lack of knowledge about history leads you to think of “India” as a country.

    “India is no more a country than the Equator”. Winston Churchill

    This is exactly what we call temple indoctrination. Inability to recognize history from another point of view–blockage of ability to learn, and complete ignorance of other people’s wishes. All a way of life in the world’s largest Nehruistocracy.

    To discern the reality of India as a country it would not be out of place to quote here the noted author Mr. William Dalrymple, who has done much work on the area and authored many books.
    “In the world’s media, never has the contrast between the two countries appeared so stark: one is widely perceived as the next great superpower; the other written off as a failed state ….He further adds, On the ground, of course, the reality is different and first-time visitors to Pakistan are almost always surprised by the country’s visible prosperity. There is far less poverty on show in Pakistan than in India, fewer beggars, and much less desperation. In many ways the infrastructure of Pakistan is much more advanced: there are better roads and airports, and more reliable electricity. Middle-class Pakistani houses are often bigger and better appointed than their equivalents in India. Moreover, the Pakistani economy is undergoing a construction and consumer boom similar to India’s, with growth rates of 7%, and what is currently the fastest-rising stock market in Asia”.

    Anyone with common sense can see the direction towards which India is headed. Far from being the next superpower or the sole ruler of the entire Indian Ocean, India is a country at the brink of disintegration. The reason for that is not only because she has earned enemies due to its hostile foreign policy towards neighboring countries, and its desire to create hegemony in the region with the hope to expand her boundaries to include countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Ceylon, Burma, Nepal and more to create a huge Indian empire, or Vishal Bharat. Most importantly, It’s her internal fractures that are most likely to drive India towards a fate similar to that of Soviet Union.

  6. Finan · 2 years ago

    Boy oh boy Pakistan has undoubtedly proved a resilient country and have survived and handled all the hostilities of axis of evil for the last thirty years and the outcome is simply ” UNBELIEVABLE “.

    I doubt India will survive such an assault with all the cracks widened and about to explode. The same powers will return to undo India into smaller countries according to the wishes of the people of India.Wait to see all happening shortly.

  7. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Abdallah Jan,

    Absolutely while India is the greatest pain there is zero fear against India or Hindus rather we all wherever we are will flock to defend Pakistan against any Indian misadventure.

    India is not an issue for us and has never been an issue they are incapable of subduing Pakistan the child of the IVC and Mughal Empire. Our greatest cancer is the filth we call our political elites, the day they are silenced and our historic revolution regains it’s momentum we will rise like the legendary phoenix.

    Pakistan ability to return to stability and progression is a dedication to the people of Pakistan, their tenacity, their unity, their resiliuence and faith in Pakistan and Islam. Our enemies have thrown many thorns on our tracks and at times we had to divert our attrention to deal with these external threats but we have always found ourselves on the road of revolution continuing to better ourselves and progress.

    We never loose faith in Pakistan and the same Jazbah, Ishq and Junoon exists within us like fire in our bellies. This land this matti (soil) has given birth tto many great warriors, visionaries, philosophers and leaders and has always “influenced” not just West and Central Asia but South Asia also. The modern equivalence of a Mughal state Mughalistan will re-emerge, economically strong, military strong a unified nation with great support from her friends and the envy of her enemy.

    Have patience, maintain your resolve and hold your political elite accountable never allow Pakistan to be lost to the politics of wolves. We are not sheep and still live by the vision, philosophy of our great forefathers.

    Pakistan is just the beginning to a cohesive, integrated, rich vibrant Central Asia united with M.E, N.Africa / Africa trading with Europe and SE Asia and Far East.

    Pakistan Manzil Nehin – Nishan-e-Manzil hain, until you do not look beyond towards the greater goal you will never truly appreciate the role of Pakistan.

    We love you Pakistan.

  8. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Bijon

    Hindus live by a false premise and thus a false hope and a false vision and pine for a false future. We know who we are, where we came from and if we are able to reclaim our land, identity and honour form the British Empire then we surely can reclaim our wider influence across Asia.

    After all before the British came from this region known as Pakistan and Afghanistan we ruled voer a third of the Sub Continent which you recognise as India today. we do not live in illusion, we do not live by illusion we know who we are and we know where we are going. History is testimony, our resilience is testimony, we will recreate a modern Khorasan the very Northern Kingdoms your kind trembled in theoor boots by theor mere mention.

    PAK-ASIA free of Hindu treachery, a PAK (Pure) Asia West and Central Asia will be the recreation of a modern Khorasan.

  9. Abdallah Jan · 2 years ago

    @ Bijon Shah: Keep on humming until Khans meet you at your door and make you yelp.

    “Wat bout pakeurope”……….By 2050, Germany, France will be an Islamic Republic. There are more mosques in southern France than Churches. Eat your heart out, or rather give it to your rat god, so he can eat it.

    At the same time England will be Majority Muslims. The pace is much faster in whole of Russia.

    “even pakstralia”…..Australia is kicking you rat worshipers out. Just as elsewhere Australian are reverting to Islam as it the only natural Deen, not Judaism, Christianity and certainly not rat, snake, elephant, cow, monkey, dog, pig, man, women, phallus worshiper Hindu religion that is absurd, ridiculous, and perverse, challenging the human intellect.

    “pakerica”….North and Central Africa is already Muslim and due to European Cabal repetition of re-colonizing Africa for its resources, non-Muslims have rejected their oppressive believe system and will revert to Islam, as it preaches equality, integrity and justice to all regardless of ethnic, racial or class background.

    “pakdonalds”……Donalds or Mc has a Hebrew background, therefore not of Islamic taste. Those Muslim Countries that do have them, will be given a farewell bid in near future.

    “pakao” Indeed we do have this word, don’t we? and we do pakao your cow god Biryani/Pala’o, Nihari, Haleem, Pa’ay etc and it taste good.

    Why don’t you try your god cow Nihari, Haleem and Pa’ay, perhaps it will open up your intellect and increase your mini non object manhood so condom won’t slip.

  10. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Britishers enslaved the Islamic caliphate destroyed Mughal rule gave Hindus India on a platter ….. Didn’t you’ll( Muslims) lose a trick.and now in 21st century the only ull can fight crusaders and zionists is by blowing urself up.
    Today U.S. Changes regimes in Arab world conquered Iraq afghanistan governing Pakistan thru remote control .. Saudis can’t even go too loo without their permission. It’s been nearly 3 centuries Islamic countries have been virtually enslaved but they can’t even liberate Palestine

  11. Imran · 2 years ago

    Bijon Shah,

    The reason you Indian’s feel the need to side with westerners is because by yourself you Indians/Hindu’s are nothing and nobody!
    Throughout history you have been nothing other then coathanger’s of first Muslim people and then the British. Today, similarly you’re being used by the Israelis and Americans who have nothing incommon with you!

    You talk about the Islamic caliphate being destroyed but let me tell you that Hinduism…this Indian centric Brahmin racist cult of animal worship died during the dinsaur era never to recover again, good riddance! Islam today is the fastest growing and most practised faith worldwide where as no one gives a rats ass about stupid Hindu rituals based on superstition, that must make your face red with envy!!!!

    Things are gradually changing on the global chessboard as the USA gets deeper into fighting the invisible enemy ultimately leading to it’s demise! It has been unable to implement it’s agenda in the Middle East or Afghanistan where a few tribal’s are forcing them out!

    I can understand your fascinations with “loo’s” afterall you Indian’s need plenty more of them so goodluck on that, hope you don’t do your business in public like many smelly Bharati’s! Three centuries is nothing considering this planet is billon’s of years old where Muslim’s have ruled fairly for ten centuries,nation’s like Turkey bear witness that wherever Islam makes it mark it does so permenantly…you Hindu’s can only dream about such diversity!

    The Mughal’s ruled India for centuries when your forefather’s sat at the feet of our ancestor’s for their bread and butter…see the movie Mughal-e-Azam for further details.The million’s of Masjid’s in India are a constant reminder to you urine drinking Hindu’s that Islam is still the cultural force of the region and always will be!

    In a few years time when we conquer India i’ll give you the job of cleaning my back garden, there will be no British or American’s to save you from the coming humilation!

  12. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Imrna–where have you been all my life!!! Bravo!

  13. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    HINDU SUPREMACY,a NATURAL urge:
    AND is tied up with HINDU creation myth.ITS major ingradients: Man was created in india in 4 casts –india being the site of oldest civilization; others being the daughter civilizatins–europe,arab,chinese etc got going by hindu immigrants from india–with SKT language being the MOM of all others.
    REMOVE the myth Hinduiem falls apart. Obviously history and arcealogy now accepts ” out of africa and Babylon” as man’s root. India is relegated to a secondary phenonmenon. BUT in 1770s-1900 French/german/british had played up ” mother india ” and had accepted india as their “LOST HOME”. They posited that we are now back to our ancesteral home to ” save our hindu brothers from” Muslims tyrrany. Rest is history . Modern hindus are challenged to preserve thrir hindu supremacy card as much jews are; Jewish bible too believe in the same hokus pokus that they were the ones who created the civilization. Obviously both are wrong but evjoy the political milage that we know of.

  14. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    The Caliphate was destroyed in 1924 and it is from that date Islamic resistance was replaced by nationalism, socialist movements and thd is a mere 90 years ago. A Century later you will see that force united and a modern economic block emerge in the Islamic world, joint defence linked at every level of human co existence.

    Your kind The Hindus live to maintain the colonial legacy in the sun continent creating false histories and goals we seek to restore our honour free from colonial and imperial overtones. Ours is a just cause yours is the continuation of brown nosed brown sahibs.

  15. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    lol…..im sure u r smarter than this why do pakistanis always resort to personal attacks when we highlight facts.
    anyways im not a hindu.and employ more muslims than u do.i could actually give u a better job than what u currently do.
    anyways getting back to ur comments
    U agree that brits enslaved mughals and ottoman turks too? or is there a different version of history.
    indians are nothing…hmmm….gr8.. i really wish ull especially armed forces underestimate us .
    u dont seem to agree that US is playing around middle east and afpak?…
    i sense ull seem to think u guys have outsmarted US?
    and can any person on this forum enlighten me how can ull will conquer india in few years?…
    so ull fire your 100 nukes and then conquer india.? and we indians and world will do nothing.lol

  16. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    im not hindu …. well yes youll used to rule now youll dont and ull are living in illusion that some day ull will rule….and ull too were hindus or buddhists before converting to islam through force…actually can anyone tell what religion was practised in pakistan region before islam came?

  17. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    shias ahmadiyas sindhis mohoajirs pakhtoons punjabis baluchis so we create a rift and break pakistan in current chaos..take punjab and sind give northern areas to china north west to afghans and baloch to iran…

  18. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    inshallah..lol

  19. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    I guess when the British ruled South Asia, Hindus were the rulers!!! You are not a Hindu –Yeah Right!

  20. Abdallah Jan · 2 years ago

    Bijon or bejan is a (Persian) Parsi word, with Shah added. He hates Muslims due to their expulsion from Iran by the Islamic Revolution as they took part with foreigners in bringing down M. Masadegh. The Iranians sought out these traitors and punished, expelled them, or they escaped.

    There is no difference if he is not Hindu, their belief and customs are corrupted and is similar to Hinduism, though their Prophet may have been rightly guided one.

    Out here in U S A they are very active in Anti-Islamic and Anti-Iranian propaganda.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  21. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    I’m a Jain it’s an atheistic religion

  22. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Our kind is just interested in improving our standards of living

  23. Dr khan · 2 years ago

    asalaamu alaikum

    really interesting piece revisionist history, although quite easy to argue for and against! its a matter of hook or by crook or an easy fit for the glove, if you understand my gist? anyway more to the point, absolute proof that central Asia, Pakistan have a shared history heritage including the indus valley civilisation can be found in genetics and the fact Pakistanis are a race apart from there non fellow Indians, im surprised that rupee news has not written something to this regard! here some leads to Lactose tolerance genetics and distribution and why pakistan was the indus valley civilisation and India was the jungle, we have more in common with the Berbers of north africa than with bharatis!

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2007/08/lactase-persistance-in-eurasia-different-departure-same-destination/

    AND

    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:ObjX_RfsYsQJ:www.ucl.ac.uk/mace-lab/publications/articles/2009/Ingram_HumGen09_LCT_Review.pdf+Lactose+digestion+and+the+evolutionary+genetics&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjBgqxkYo68j5XUkLw5nsWHlguWfkJFaPDfK9Swot0dM_tXFlnZzlxFfnQnc2PeQgbjSVuU9fGOc4L80QccMJe68ejXVf_dTWpW8qUgickJYs5uSEWWJEqSRH4hYK7F3ER1OBIL&sig=AHIEtbTJF-mpj6dBl8nIMG2994Q9iAQQ5w

    hope these reviews are helpful and really hope you can write an article around this subject

    regards

    Dr Khan Kashmiri

    salaam

  24. kimi001 · 2 years ago

    East India company first came to India…set up their base kingdom after battle of plassy.They defeated Sirajudullah.I think he was not hindu,nonetheless he might have been a good ruler….but the more interesting character of the battle was MIRJAFFER..guess you heard his name- the one who sold his country for coins… but then you would say he was hindu…right??

  25. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Bijon

    Lol you will day you are a humanist a term associate with irks like you defining Hinduism through some bizarre contemporary form with full empathy for Hindu-ism.

    Before Islam came to the region I come from they were Bhuddist, Zorastrian and forcefully converted to Hinduism no doubt in some parts.

    We too can speculate as you do maybe not as colourful as you.
    If Islam is so bad why are we showing utter disgust for polytheist Hindu Vedic nonsense and advocates of Islam.

    Grow up and take your school boy tantrums elsewhere.

  26. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Bijon a man championing the Hindu cause and Indian cause always making a distinction between a Muslim and an Indian bearing in mind the number of Muslims in India.

    His almost childish spurts and constant diatribe against Muslims and Pakistan. Here is a disturbed India behaving very compulsive denouncing this blog but always here week in week out.

    Something has our “old” ghulam spooked his cage rattled so fired up with this fear in mind – he reminds us just how much we hate their kind.

    India will implode I guarantee you this Kashmir will become free as will all Himalayan kingdoms. There will be Dalitstan with the Naxalite victorious that will create a free Assam. Bengal will eventually become part of greater Bangladesh and the Tamils and Telangu speakers will also be free. Punjab will also break away and we will always stand by Hyderabad.

    Bijon if you want details I will post for you the number of lberation struggled active in India and post the names of groups active in this struggle.

    Pakistans terror is manufactured the tap easily turned off India struggle is rampant and overflowing and soon the pipe will burst.

  27. Imran · 2 years ago

    Bijon Shah,

    I think you are a Hindu but too ashamed to admit it nevertheless i have not said anything personal rather pointed out the FACTS! Hindu’s do worship animals and drink cow urine moreover you do lack toilet’s in Bharat so what previous comment of mine do you dispute??

    Well you see history is full of enslavements and invasions so yes the Mughal’s were eventually defeated because nothing lasts forever!!. Just like the Muslim’s conquered Spain, Turkey, Morocco and parts of Eastern Europe and the Mughal’s enslaved India for centuries!

    Do you not see that the USA economy is on it’s knee’s ready to implode….that they’re being forced out of Afghanistan like they were in Vietnam??. The ultimate aim was surely to seize our nukes that are still safe and sound!

    India has a history of being conquered afterall the Mughals and the British both ruled as a minority so history will repeat itself! The prophecy of Ghazwa-e-Hind tells us that Bharat will be invaded and conquered by China, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan with Pakistan being the base nation, Deccan Hyderabad and many Muslim’s of India will also support these people.

    Yes you will be rendered powerless like after the Mumbai falseflag when you were unable to take any action against the perceived enemy! Just like after Kargil where you again didn’t have the balls to cross the border but hey feel free to prove me wrong!

    How do you know what i currently do that you’re offering me better employment!!? You Infian’s run to the Muslim Middle East for better jobs and quality of life afterall who wants to live in a country where 400 million defect in the open! Where there is the largest number of AIDS victims, prostitution and homelessness so let’s talk sense and not make fools of ourselves!

  28. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    I will look at what you have recommended

    Surely you jest–several articles have been written about the genetic makeup of Pakistan

  29. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Spoken like true banya

  30. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    ….and Islam believes it’s the true religion and it’s Allah is true god and other religion has to be destroyed . It doesn’t believe in idol worship but in worshipping a stone Kaaba and superstition of animals sacrifice is a ritual, it’s divided into Shias and Sunni and furthermore to ahmadiyas.it encourages violence thru jihad and discourages Education.women are made to live as 2nd class people wearring ghost like robe,
    Lol….

  31. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Your kind lives to impose itself through maintaining the colonial legacy, occupying many nations and lands that are not even part of the sub continent.

    Our kind were the real victims of colonial rule while yours became the ever faithful foot soldiers of the British Empire.
    India can exist with her neighbours and flourish but only when she discards herself from the grandeur illusions left incubated by the outgoing British.

    An India seeking to overpower her neighbours and not honour her non upper caste Hindus is a India headed towards a brickwall at 100 miles per hour. Indian foreign policy is built around subjugatimg and over powering her neighbours. At the street level the ordinary Hindu non Dalit is indoctrined on Hindu Imperial dreams based on a non existence Hindu mythological empire.

    Question is what to do? For India.

    If she continues her failed foreign policy she is fuelling the Hindu radical thoughts that will divide India and push her to the brink of war. A war she can not win and will end up in the end of the Hindu dream of grandeur imperial overtones. India will have to concede land she occupies and risks a backlash against minorities that will leave her further isolated or even causing her implosion.

    If she makes amends with her neighbours she “must” give up land she inherited wrongfully from her colonial masters. This may spark a bloody civil war leading to the implosion of India on religious and ethnic lines.
    E

  32. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Your kind lives to impose itself through maintaining the colonial legacy, occupying many nations and lands that are not even part of the sub continent.

    Our kind were the real victims of colonial rule while yours became the ever faithful foot soldiers of the British Empire.
    India can exist with her neighbours and flourish but only when she discards herself from the grandeur illusions left incubated by the outgoing British.

    An India seeking to overpower her neighbours and not honour her non upper caste Hindus is a India headed towards a brick wall at 100 miles per hour. Indian foreign policy is built around subjugatimg and over powering her neighbours. At the street level the ordinary Hindu non Dalits is indoctrined on Hindu Imperial dreams based on a non existence Hindu mythological empire.

    Question is what to do? For India.

    If she continues her failed foreign policy she is fuelling the Hindu radical thoughts that will divide India and push her to the brink of war. A war she can not win and will end up in the end of the Hindu dream of grandeur imperial overtones. India will have to concede land she occupies and risks a backlash against minorities that will leave her further isolated or even causing her implosion.

    If she makes amends with her neighbours she “must” give up land she inherited wrongfully from her colonial masters. This may spark a bloody civil war leading to the implosion of India on religious and ethnic lines.

    …………………

    Either way the future of India will end up in restoring the sub continent to its former self a plethora of autonomous stated and nations. Therefore India will try to stall and slow down the inevitable by diverting focus on Pakistan. India will always be someone’s blunt instrument and finding it hard to control her destiny because she already has chosen to go against her destiny by pursuing an artificial idea based on an artificial history. The thing about plastic is, it is bad for the environment and as artificial it is, its disposal is slow and messy. But every virus eventually becomes is eventually discarded as shall this one.

  33. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    There are many people (Abdullah Jan,imran,alalsanslhaqetc) who wanna know who I am my religion etc
    I am Jain , my name Bijon is a Bengali name and surname is shah a common Gujarati Jain surname and yes I am a ‘vaniya’.
    Jainism is an atheist religion from 600 bc … We neither bend our head to anyone but almighty , for us moon star is called as moksha , we wear white robes similar to haj pilgrims at religious places our Rojas are eight days long with absolutely no food at all . We have no castes or biases anyone anytime can become a Jain. We believe in complete ahimsa meaning every life is respected so to not kill animals , insects etc today also our monks travel on bear feet to travel cities to towns don’t use any luxury that is available try to live as austere as possible.they are not allowed to have any worldly possessions nor be political.
    We have no gods we believe every human can become perfect by conquering internal evil(anger, hatred , fear etc) something similar to internal
    jihad .
    The reason why Jainism didn’t flourish like others is because it is tough and full of austerity etc anyways Our history well chandragpta maurya was Jain and most treasurers in Mughal courts were Jains today per capita wise we are highest tax payers very philanthropical least political hard working people .
    To sum it up we don’t pray animals drink cow piss neither do we kill animal humans or pray stones from heaven Jain means conquerer not people or lands but internally .
    Walikum Salam

  34. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Most people who deface in open in Mumbai are migrants probably bangladeshis who live in slums illegally after 1972 war.
    Ofcourse subcontinent including pakistan afghanistan has been conquered throughout it’s history but unlike others we preserved our heritage .
    And last I remember India conquered Pakistan in 1972 war and gave it’s 90000 POWs and land as a goodwill
    And you’ll are proud of Kargil where ull sneaked in the dark and when we attacked you pm ran to Clinton for cover?
    And proud of 10 cowards who kill unarmed people on 26/11 ?
    And Wat u r saying is there is no prostitution aids poverty and slums in pakistan? Or are u based in London not knowing facts in ur country?

  35. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    The reason Jainism didn’t flourish was because Brahmans decimated and destroyed it just like the eliminated Buddhism in the place of its birth.

    Now you talk and think just like a Hindu–no difference.

  36. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    1971 Pray tell–where did you get your information? Let us guess–from the temple indoctrination!

    Events of 1971: The only thing a temple indoctrinated Bharati can do is harp upon 1971–forgetting August 14th, 1974, when the Indian agent was killed, and his body thrown in the streets for days–the Indian Rakhi Bahni sent packing back to Delhi.

    Most Indians are extremely proud about the export of its terror to Pakistan in the 70s. Bharat’s Rakhi Bahni massacred 1 million Non-Bengalis in Bangladesh.

    If the Indian sponsored LTTE terrorists had been successful in creating a Hindu Tamil state in Lanka-these very same people would have been ecstatic. If the Delhi sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the Chakma Republic Indians would be overjoyed. If the Bharati sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the republic of Tibet—Delhi would be in high heaven. Bharatis are very proud of the terror tactics of the Mukti Bahni–which had recruited 80,000 Hindus (General Manekshaw’s biography). The Mukti Bhani dressed as Pakistani soldiers ravaged Muslim Bengal—blaming Pakistan. Then Bharat sent terrorists into the Chittagong Hill tracts into its former ally. Delhi cries like a baby on terror in Mumbai—but Bharatis are very proud of sending armed terrorist into a sovereign countries in Nepal, China, Lanka and Pakistan.

    In 1975 the Bangladesh leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated in a military coup. India lost a close ally and much of the strategic gains made in the 1971 war. Looking back 1971 was Pakistan has a catastrophe for Bharat. In the late 1980s Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi thought it was possible to impose peace in Sri Lanka’s ethnic conflict under the India-Sri Lanka Accord. He sent a large military force to the island state. It did not work out as had been intended. On the contrary, the feeling was reinforced among neighbors that India was behaving like the “big brother.” (Deepak Tripathi, former BBC correspondent, is a writer on the US, great power relations, South and West Asia. His latest book “Breeding Ground: Afghanistan and the Origins of Islamist Terrorism” is published this month by Potomac Books, Incorporated, Washington, DC.)

  37. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    60% of Mumbai live in slums like the one shown in Slumdog–sure weren’t any Bengalis there!!

  38. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    How Brahmins killed Buddhism in India?

    Dr. R.P.HARSH

    We do not find the word “Hindu” in any ancient Hindu (Aryan) literature. Even then the Hindu Nazis propagate the falsehood that 85% of the Indians are the Hindus and India is a Hindu nation.

    When a lie is repeated 99 times, it becomes truth at the 100th time. But the history of India says the Hindus have no history. They have only manipulated the history to suit their sinister designs.

    Whenever the question is asked who are the Hindus, the familiar reply is the Hindus are none other than the Aryans. If asked what is the evidence to claim that they are Aryans, then they will produce their Rigveda to prove that they are Aryans.

    FALSE CLAIM ON RIGVEDA

    But what is the evidence to prove that the Rigveda is anterior to Buddhism? Do they have any archeological evidences of Aryans? Do they have any literary evidence that Sanskrit is anterior to Buddhism? Do they have any writings of any foreigners anterior to Buddhism? The answer to these questions is in the negative. Then what is the basis for calling the Rigveda the oldest document in the world?

    A noted Hindu historian, Dr. Majumdar, says:

    “Seventy-five percent culture (contents) of the Hindu culture belongs to Dravidian culture.” (Hindu samaj Ke Pathbrastak Tulsi Das.P.205)

    The Brahminical Social Order (BSO) comprises the Brahmins, the Kshatriyas, the Vaishyas and the Sudras. This is Chaturvarna. According to Brahminical literature, all the Kshatriyas were exterminated by the Brahmin leader, Parasuram. The Brahmin sacred text, the Gita, says the Vaishyas, Sudras and women belong to papyoni (Gita 9/32). That means the Vaishyas, Sudras and women (including Brahmin women) also automatically become non-Hindus.

    Even the famous Muslim historian of the 11th century AD Alberuni says that up to the Muslim Period, the Vaishyas had no right of hearing and reciting the Vedas. If charges were proved against them they were liable to capital punishment as the Sudras were, He writes:

    The Brahmins teach the Vedas to the Kshatriyas. The latter learn it but are not allowed to teach it, even to the Brahmins. The Vaishyas and Sudras are allowed to hear it, much less to pronounce and recite it. If such a thing can be proved against one of them, the Brahmin may drag him before the magistrate and get him punished by having his tongue cut off. (History of Sikhs, Vol.1.p 22, Hari Ram Gupta).

    VAIDIKS AS MYTH-MAKERS

    Keeping in view the above evidence we can safely conclude that only the Brahmins are Hindus, since they are the descendants of Brahma and Brahma himself is an illusion. Therefore, Brahmin is a person who creates illusion.

    The Vaidik Brahmins create a myth in the society to appear as a majority in the name of Hinduism. If we go through the Brahminical literature we find nothing except myths and illusions all through.

    The Hindus, therefore,have no history.The Muslim historian Alberuni rightly comments:

    The Hindu historians do not care about the historical sequence of incidents. They are careless in producing date-wise chronological order of historical evidences. Whenever they are forced to produce evidences they become confused and do not know what to say. Then they start telling the stories (MBD History BA-II, KU,p. 39.)

    The question is how the propaganda gained currency without any archeological and literary evidence that the Rigveda and the Hindu culture are anterior to Buddhism. Do they have any carbon dating of the Rigveda? The Rigveda is written in Sanskrit. Do they have any archeological and literary evidence that Sanskrit is anterior to Buddhism?

    PRAKRIT, MOTHER OF SANSKRIT

    In spite of having no archeological and literary evidence, Vaidik historians inserted “Aryan civilization” and “Vedic period” in historical sequence anterior to Buddhism while the truth is that there is nothing like Aryan civilisation and Vedic period in Indian history anterior to Buddhism. Prakrit was the language of the indigenous people. In ancient times it was associated with Buddhism.

    Sanskrit is the language of the Vaidiks. It was synthesized from Prakrit by Panini who was the contemporary of Patanjali. Patanjali was the Guru of Pushya Mitra Sung who killed the Buddhist (Mayuran) emperor in 185 BC in broad day-light while taking the salute of a parade.

    The Indus Valley Civilisation is the oldest civilization of the indigenous people (Dravidians). The famous English historian, Cunningham, says that the Brahmi inscriptions, in which the great Buddhist emperor, Ashoka, propagated his message to the people, were derived from the language of the Harappan people. So, the Buddhist language is associated with the Harappan culture.

    RIGVEDA MANUFACTURED AFTER BUDDHISM

    According to the myth the insertion of the “Aryan culture” and the “Vedic period” in the historial sequence anterior to Buddhism is a part of the Vaidik racist designs. The Vaidiks who occupied the apex of the social pyramid could not tolerate their historical inferiority because they knew that if the people came to know that the Brahminical culture came after Buddhism, their Vedas, gods and goddesses would become a bundle of lies.

    Even Ayurveda, the science of medicine, was not written by the Aryans, because medical profession was a dirty profession to the Vaidiks. It was a profession of the Sudras.

    Charak (1st century AD) who wrote the Charak Samhita was the father of Ayurveda. (Biology NCERT Class XI. p. 160, 1997 Education).

    Charak was a Buddhist and was the physician of the Buddhist emperor Kanishka.

    The Hindu Nazis usually boast that their Rigveda is the oldest literature in the whole world. They say it is a treasure house of morality, knowledge and science. But the Rigveda itself is the best evidence to contradict all that is claimed above.

    (1) It contains references to Prakrit language:

    In ancient time the Prakrit language was associated with Buddhism. (MBD History Class XI, P. A-15, 1997).

    (2) It contains the Vaidik prayer to their god Indra to kill Dasas and destroy their property:

    According to Dr.Ambedkar, Dasas and Nagas were the one and same people. (Untouchables, p, 66, Dr.B.R.Ambedkar).

    (3) In the Rigveda, we find the names of some Rishis like Bharadwaj, Vasistha, Bhrigu, Viswamitra etc. (History Sr.Sec.Courses, Open School Class XI, Neeraj Publication p, 29).

    According to the Buddhist literature Bharadwaj, Bhrigu and Vasistha were contemporary to Buddha. (Buddha and His Dhamma, Dr.Ambedkar).

    (4) The Hindu Nazis boast that their Vedas are the treasure house of all knowledge and sciences. Dr.Ambedkar during a debate on the Draft Indian Constitution asked the Brahmin intellectuals to produce any mantra which could produce gold if their Vedas are treasure houses of sciences. But none came forward. (Twenty years with Ambedkar, Hindi, Sohanlal Shastri).

    NO MORALITY IN RIGVEDA

    The above evidences from the Vedas prove that:

    (1) Dasas (Nagas) were the rulers of this country when the Rigveda was written.

    (2) Prakrit was the language of the people which was associated with Buddhism. That means Prakrit was Buddhist.

    (3) Vedic rishis like Bharadwaj, Bhrigu etc. were the contemporaries of Buddha. Thus the Rigveda could not be the oldest document of the world.

    (4) The Rigveda is written in Sanskrit. But Prakrit is the mother of Sanskrit.

    From this we can safely conclude that:

    (i) There was no “Hindu civilization” before Buddhism.

    (ii) There was nothing like “Vedic period” before Buddhism because Sanskrit developed after Buddhism.

    (iii) The Vedas were manufacatured after the Buddhist period.

    What type of knowledge the Rigveda contains is proved by the following reference. In the Rigveda there is a reference to Yama and Yami, the brother and sister.

    “…According to this episode Yami, the sister, invites her brother, Yama, to cohabit with her and becomes angry when he refuses to do so.” (W & S Vol. III, p. 165).

    Babasaheb devotes several pages in Vol.3 to discuss the sexual immorality, drinking bouts and gambling habits of ancient Aryans.

    To justify their claims that the Vedas are the oldest document they create confusion by saying that the Vedas were not in the written form during the ancient times. They have been passed on from generation to generation in the form of shruties (oral scriptures). This explanation of Vaidiks is again false:-

    (i) The shruties of the Harappan culture are anterior to Hinduism. When that is the fact why are they not called the Vedas?

    (ii) When there was no Sanskrit before Buddhism which language did they pass on from generation to generation? Without Sanskrit their claim does not prove correct.

    HINDU HISTORY IS ONLY 2055 YEARS OLD

    Even the name of the famous Vaidik leader, Kautilya, who wrote the book, Arthashastra, in Sanskrit is not mentioned in the writings of Magasthanese, a Greek Ambassador in the court of Chandra Gupta Maurya. This clearly proves that up to Magasthnese, the Brahminical Social Order (BSO) was not formed. But we find the BSO in the Purush Sukta of the Rigveda. That is why we do not find any archeological evidence of Aryans anterior to Buddhism. The word “Aryan” is a distorted version of the word “Iranian”.

    The history of all religions start from their respective supermen. Buddhist Era, Christian Era, and Sikh Era are all associated with the Buddha, Christ, Prophet Mohammed and Guru Nanak respectively. Similarly, the “Hindu Era” begins from Vikrami Samvat and also associated with Shaka Samvat which are 2055 and 1922 years old respectively. The Hindus say that the Vikram Era starts from their Hindu King Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya. In ancient history, Chandra Gupta-II of Gupta dynasty (380-413 AD) is named Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya. So historiacally Shaka Era is anterior to Vikram Era.

    We do not want to criticise the Hindu views and accept Vikram Era and Shaka Era as 2055 and 1922 years old respectively.

    The question is why the Hindus have two Eras? This needs research and investigation. I think these Eras are not only important but are very significant because they are related to the sabotage of the Buddhist history.

    (i) The Shaka Era started from 78 AD related with Kanishka, a Buddhist emperor of the Kushan dynasty. During the Kanishka period, the Hindu Nazis succeeded in their evil designs. To kill the Spirit of Buddhism they divided it on linguistic and racial lines into Hinyan and Mahayan. The Mahayanists were the Brahmins and followers of Sanskrit. It was a fight between Maurya and the Brahmins, Brahminism and Buddhism and finally between Sanskrit and Pali. Therefore, the Shaka Era is associated with the killing of Buddhist spirit. The Mahayanists were infidels. But in the Spirit of Buddhism there is no place for infidels.

    (2) The Vikram Era is associated with Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya, a king of the Gupta dynasty. This was the “Golden Period of Hinduism.” It is called so because Sanskrit was made the state language in place of Pali, the language of the Buddhists. So, the Vikram Era is associated with the extermination of Pali.

    Thus the process of Brahminisation which began with the Shaka Era was completed during the Vikram Era.

    That means the Hindu history is nothing but the manipulation and patch up from other cultures.

    RELATIONSHIP OF GUPTAS AND SHAKAS WITH HINDUS

    The riddle which is to be solved yet is:

    (i) The Shaka Era starts from Kanishka, a Buddhist emperor of Kushan dynasty. In reality it should be called Kushan Era. Why was it called Shaka Era rather than Kushan Era?

    (ii) Why Vikram Era which was associated with Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya (Chandra Gupta-II) was made anterior to Shaka Era?

    (iii) What is the relationship of the Hindus with the Shakas and Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya?

    The reply to question no. (i) and (ii) is very simple. It appears to be racial. The Shaka Era is related to the killing of the Spirit of Buddhism by dividing it into Mahayan and Hinyan. The Vikram Era is related to extermination of Pali, the language of the Buddhists.

    Kanishka was associated with Budhism while Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya was associated with Hinduism (Brahminism). So, to make Buddhism inferior to Hinduism was probably the reason for making the Vikram Era anterior to Shaka Era. Both are called Hindu Eras. Why did they make the Kushan Era? The association of Shaka with Vikramaditya must be examined.

    The two are closely related with each other is proved by the following facts:-

    (a) No archaeological evidence of Aryans is found anterior to Buddhism.

    (b) The first archaeological evidence of Sanskrit, the language of the Brahmins, (Hinduism) called Rudra Danam inscription belongs to the Shaka period.

    (c) Mathura, Nasik and Ujjain were the capital of Shaka rulers. They were also the important religious places of the Hindus.

    (d) Four branches of Shakas came to India. The number of the Vedas are also four.

    (e) That the Shakas and the Guptas were both votaries of Sanskrit is evident from archaeological evidences of Sanskrit.

    CONCLUSION

    Keeping in view the above historial evidences, it is clearly proved that the Hindu history is just 2055 years old. It was manipulated to kill the “Spirit of Buddhism,” to exterminate Pali, and to destroy the cultural and religious identity of Buddhism.

  39. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    http://www.timesofbombay.com/?p=448

    Adi Shankara was the real founder of Hinduism in the 8th Century

  40. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    http://bit.ly/cZvjOp

    THE IMPALEMENT OF THE JAINS

    After the cure of the king, his wife and minister, and Sambandar, went to the temple of Siva, and rendering him praise, besought his permission that the Jains and their faith might be destroyed. The god replied to Sambandar, “What you have is well pleasing to me; and therefore to what you agree, I agree” (playing on the name Sambandar, or agreement).

    The Jains were much chagrined and envenomed by what had occurred; and agreed upon an ordeal by fire, as the means of bringing about a change. But as they were about proceeding to the king on this errand, they met with great opposition from their wives. These represented the reverse already sustained; and stated, that in their dreams of the past night, they had seen a cow (emblematic of the Hindu faith) pushing with its horns in every direction; they had also seen bodies pierced through, and beasts and birds feeding on the dead carcasses; while the town appeared full of persons with ashes on their foreheads (denoting the Saiva religion). These remonstrance’s were however unavailing. Like devoted men, they were angry with their wives; and these latter finding they could not prevail, became incensed in turn, and pronounced on them a curse, wishing that they might perish. The learned Jains proceeded to the king; represented that he had done them injustice; and requested that themselves, and the young Saiva, might be directed to write each one a chant on palm leaves, all of which should be subjected to the trial of fire; and the production that should remain unconsumed, should be considered as belonging to the true faith. To this proposal all parties assented; and on a set day they proceeded to some little distance, when the homa (or sacrifice by fire) was prepared The Jains depended on their employment of the Agni-kattu (or charm against fire); nevertheless, their writings were all consumed, amounting to eight thousand; and that of Sambandar alone remained uninjured. This ordeal did not give them satisfaction; and they proposed that the books should be written again, and the whole cast into the river Vaigai, when that one which should ascend against the stream should b declared to belong to the true faith. This challenge was also accepted; but the condition was now attached that whichever of the parties should be conquered, should abjure his or their faith, and embrace the opposite one, or else be impaled alive. The trial was fixed for the following day, and a public procession having gone forth to the banks of the river Vygai, the ordeal by water proceeded; when every book of the Jains was carried down with the stream, and that of the Saiva alone ascended. The trial being decisive, he now appealed to them exhorting them not to perish, but to embrace the Saiva faith. The eight thousand learned men who had written the palm leaves refused; and with obstinate prejudice put themselves on the impaling stakes. But the unlearned multitude, being afraid, snatched up the ashes emblematic of the Saiva faith, and rubbed them on their foreheads; and others, not being able to get ashes, smeared themselves with the unburnt cow-dung itself to escape death.

    Afterwards, the king, with Sambandar, went westward ten miles in search of the book which had ascended the stream until they came to a place where the god was seated, in the form of an aged Brahmin, of whom they asked, ‘If anything particular had occurred?” who replied,” We know not.” But on some stanzas being sung in his praise, he put some ashes on the forehead of Sambandar, and indicated the place where the book was to be found. The king built on that spot a pagoda, together with a town called Tiruyedagam (the place of the sacred-writing) and adoring Siva, remained there some time; by which means he cleared himself of the crime of having joined with the Jains; and then returned with Sambandamurti to Madura. He there brought the Saiva sect into open day. And subsequently, when Sambandar wished to go and visit other Siva temples, he out of great regard, accompanied him to some distance, and then returned. Since the time when his fever was cured, he had changed the name Kun Pandian to Savuntara Pandian (i.e., hump-back, to beautiful). He ruled according to the law of Manu; built temples with choultries, and instituted festivals to the Madura god; and in harmonious cooperation with his wife Mangayarkarasi, and his minister Kulachirai, ruled prosperously for a length of time.

  41. Imran · 2 years ago

    Bijon Shah,

    I guess you’re trying to hide your silly comments but constantly saying “lol”…good try but we can see through it!

    Now your comments on Islam are based on complete ignorance yet if i were to say anying on Jainism you’ll accuse me of discrimination so i’ll ignore your immature remarks for now.

    A religion is judged by it’s scripture more then action of the believers but you sure need to be enlightened! FACT is that Islam grew because Allah wanted it too….people around the world accepted Islam in high numbers to the degree that the original inheritor’s became the minority! By contrast the Arabs, Africans, Persians, Europeans all rejected Indian religions including your Jainism! It’s a tough one to swallow but that you have to do!

    Islam certainlly does not believe that other religions are to be destroyed otherwise so many non-Muslim’s mainly you Indian’s would not be flocking to the Middle East for jobs or living in places Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia! Deep down you’re just a jealous Jain who can’t see things for what they are!

    Killing an animal at Eid is “qurbani” ie sacrafice where the meat is distributed mainly to the poor but a grass eater like you won’t understand the concept behind it!. The ka’aba is simply a direction all Muslim’s prostrate towards that creates unity and not a stone that we worship you Indian retard! Most Muslim’s have never seen the Ka’aba and don’t even have a picture of it in their homes!

    You havn’t read the Qur’an so have no understanding of the Sunni/Shi’ite division that is a man made one where as jihad means to “strive” not war or anything as such!. You should know all about women’s rights seeing how your women from various ism’s walk around naked in wet sari’s showing their fat waist’s to everyone especially Muslim men who they secretly lust over,by contrast robes and hijab are wonderful and so feminine! It’s far better to be dressed up then down, Indian women in reality are ashamed of Hinduism and Jainism hence they’ve abandoned their own culture favouring complete westernisation as seen in your pornywood movies, your own culture is dead!

  42. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Your kind stones women and parades them naked …. Read news shame

  43. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    GREAT review of VEDIC MYTH:
    The two great myths, BIBLICAL and Vedic age have no foundation at all, There is no written RV prior to abt 700 AD; Shruti/memorization are political claimes never acceptable as ” real history”;Same is valid for Bible and Talmud.For good/bad, both these myths had laid the foundation of ” Modern racism” and its well known consequences, likes of Holocausts, birth of israel and fall of mughal indiaand creation of ” hindu-british aryan brother hood” and hindu nationalism its reaction muslim nationalism—partition.
    I will just add the following to your detailed comments,
    -Panini, Patanjali, kautalya chanak etc are ghosts, presumed authors.
    – Pkt is india’s oldest written language–and not skt. Sir william jones 1786) did accept this ( see my book).
    – Skt like all indian languages came from MIdeast; Skt seems to be the indian stream of ancient most Arabic ( 3000BC) called Akkadian as aslo detailed by Dr Malati shingde of JNU.
    – After PkT Tamil is oldest language ( 150BC) written.
    – All indian and european writtings are derived from Mideast as well accalimed by all scholrs and detailed in my book also.
    NOW the linguitics of BHARAT,HINDUSTAN/INDIA.
    The word Bharat for india is from Kali das fiction novel Shkuntala,( abt 500 AD). The word’s oldest written form is from 1600 BC in syria in hittite-hurrian-mitanni era. In a horse training mannual written in cunieform MR KIKKULI wrote aek Vartan,do vartan meaning one revolution/circle etc; The word VARTAN /VARAT > barat ( v/b-switch) > bharat means REVOLUTION. Thus Maha ( sumerian word mean: great)Bharat simly means ” Great revolution” now metaphorized as ” Great war” as the revolution came via a war. Off course it is regarded as mythical fiction. The word Hindu is from Sindhu ( in Bruzaski languge had meant a river –a loan in skt); Elamites of iran a dravidian type linguitic cousins, had no s phoneme and had to replace s by h; thus hindu/hindustan–land of river;hinduism–religion of river worship–RV mentions sapat sindhu–7 rivers ( 5 of punjab plus kabul and gomal ); Greeks replaced h with I > india.
    By the way word Ganga/Ganges too means a river in austric and chinese-tibetan language. Interestingly both names of HOLIEST of HOLY rivers are loans from non indian sources.
    AS correctly pointed by you ARYAN is a great fraud ( see Romilla thaper ) perpetuated by Europeans to plunder india. Thay derive it from BILLICAL 3 race myth, SEMIC,ARYAN,HAMETIC linguistic nation from NOAH ( NON HISTORY) the flood survival; story plagiarized from SUMERIAN FLOOD myth. ONE must note here that it has become an organic part of HINDUISM like SEMIISM of jews. BOTH are NON HISTORIC
    myths.

  44. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Islam is the oldest religion “perfected monotheism” – organised monotheism however is attributed to our spiritual father the prophet Abraham (pbuh).

    Islam has never destroyed an entire civilisation like the Vedic barbarians responsible for the destruction of Bhuddism and Jainism. Every religion when attacked advocates defence and to take up arms it is ingrained inside you as a person even Bhuddist monks. Our faith gave rights to women to vote, inheritance and even work while your kind saw them as sacrificial lambs / virgin brides killed at the altar. We treated women with the utmost respect while your women walked around semi naked and were used as an object to barter, often as gifts to victorious generals.

    Islam was a religion that have modern science, medicine, arts, philosophy, great architecture to the world. The very word college comes from the Arabic collete and great universities of today modelled themselves on Islamic universities. If you were to look closely at the architecture of Oxford university their is a distinct resemblance to andalucian architecture.

    Bijon next time you make a scathing attack read up first. Even today the glorious architectural wonders in India are Islamic. If you ask any tourist to name their favourite sight or monument it will be the Taj Mahal reminiscent of a golden age in the sub continent before it was India it was a rich vibrant and powerful region under the glorious Mughal era.

  45. subbu · 2 years ago

    It’s true that ‘hindu’ is only an identity that not many indians identify with, and if they do, it’s only after their caste. Also in India, political representations are based on caste, and not based on religion (that is reserved constituencies for dalits et al.). So your assumption that India is a ‘hindu’ country is atleast false because no important leader in our country has made that claim.

    Thank you for opening several people’s eyes about ‘hinduism’. Perhaps it’s time to treat muslims around me with the respect they deserve and not worry about ‘secularism’. And to work towards improving the living standards of my caste. Thankfully, my caste has survived islamic hegemony for several centuries, imposed both by delhi sultanate and the mughals. I’m proud of not knowing many muslims, and the ones I do, I can exploit to my gain. They are mostly dumb.

  46. anand · 2 years ago

    Imran my freind…welcome to india…oh sorry….pakasia….you will be welcomed by…
    1)Hindus
    2)Americans
    3)Israelis

    oops..sorry about this…i think you forgot to mention about your freind CHINA..your views about china being converted into Islamic Republic of China…welcome pak-china-asia

  47. Amrit rao · 2 years ago

    I lived in uk for 8 years,I have got permanent resisdency in uk and eligible for a British passport.
    Yeti returned to India because there is hope in India,non of my Pakistani colleagues living in Birmingham or Leeds dared to return back to pakistan ,and they have now got British passport.

    The fact of the matter is musalmans in uk live in ghettos unlike Hindus who have integrated well with the Brits.

    Pakistanis run Indian curry shops , most of them don’t use Pakistani names, live in ghettos and drive taxis.

    These pakistanis are illiterate and uneducated and a survey conducted in London a few years ago showed that the poorest immigrants are bangladeshis and pakistanis.

  48. Amrit rao · 2 years ago

    Your Muslim fore fathers cut each others throat.
    Eg – Mir jaffer cut siraj ud daulah, then Mir quasim conspired against Mir
    Jaffer.

    Then your Muslim forefathers whom you are proud of gave the whole power t o. The British.

    Like a coward.

    Hindus and Sikhs fought gallantly. Against the British.
    Bhagat Singh, sub has Bose, man gal pandey , laxmi bai
    Then came the coward Jinnah begging for Pakistan.

    Read your own Muslim history , ummah ?
    Stop this bull shit.
    Brothers killing each other from Aurangzeb to bahadur shah gaffer.

    Do u Muslims have any aceivement in the modern science , other than talking of past glory.
    Pakistan will slowly disintegrate and merge with Afghanistan.

    ====================
    RESPONSE TO THIS NOTE:

    Before the British came the adherents of 33 million Gods worshiped different Gods ever few miles with no connection to each other. Hinduism itself was a construct of the British, who manufactured history for you and came up with names like “Ashoka”. There is no written record of anyone named Ashoka either in Greek or contemporary Bharati history narratives. Some of his pillars in fact pre-date Buddhism itself, and none have Sanskrit on them.

    Hindus sold their souls to the invaders and the British sided with them. Per Dr. Jamil Hindu college would not even allow Muslim to attend, ’till the first census.

    You are absolutely right–the Sikhs were the most loyal of the British subjects–and the Sikh regiments were used to crush the war of independence of 1857. The Gorkhas are still loyal of the British flag, and these Sikhs and Hindus were used colonize Africa, the Caribbean and East Asia.

    They don’t teach you this in your history books, but West of the Indus was not even part of the British Indian EMpire. THey could never subjugate the Pakhtuns and the Baloch–and they called it “Tribal Areas” where there was not writ of the crown. Peshawar, Abbottabad, and even Nowshera was no-mans land for the British. West Punjab was Tribal till about 1873. Bhawalpur, Swat, Dir were quasi independent and the rest of Pakistan was a constant cause of problems for the British.

    Bharat was complaint and obsequious.

    It was the Rajputs and the Marhattas who aligned with the British to defeat Tipu Sultan. The Mirs were present because the Muslims owned all of Bharat–so there were a couple of bad apples. Two Muslims–ALL Hindus had sold out to the British–all of them. You actually had to create fake figures like “Mangal Panday” because you had no heroes who resisted the British.

    Sergent Major Mohandas Gandhi (of the British Army) used to call himself “Recruiter in Chief” for the Viceroy, and was a loyal member of the British Army in South Africa. He fought the Boers. He supported ever British war there was.

  49. Hijazi · 2 years ago

    @ Bijon Shah, Islam is a monolithic religion. We have only one Allah Karim who is creator of all that we see and do not see. Our source of information is Quran and Sunnah – where have you heard that Islam believes the other religion to e destroyed? Please quote your sources not your thoughts …… Muslims do not worship Kaaba, it is a holy place and was created upon order of Allah Karim by Prophet Abraham to bring in focus and centralization in “Ibadah” prayers.

    Christians and Jews also believe the sacrifice of Abraham – and Muslims are the only Ummah who re-freshes that sacrifice every year in submission to our Allah.

    There are divides and different school of thoughts are in every religion but Muslims do not declare other untouchables.

    For your information which you will never be able to accept – Islam has given more rights to women than anyother law in the universe.

    By the way if Islam is so much against eradicating other religions then your name should have been “Bilal Shah” today. It is our compassion and humanity that even after 1000 years of rule we did not force you to convert.

    You have no face to tell us that we are superstitious and our women look like ghost in wearing robes ….. remember your family also used to wear the same ghost like robes for 1000 years …. Being superstitious it is your nation who adds Ks and As and Ls in their name to gather more success, our success is from Allah Karim only. And on top of that we muslims do not like our mothers, sisters and daughters to hang-out their body parts and act like sluts the way you and your western masters like. We respect and protect them.

  50. Hijazi · 2 years ago

    To add more to your pain, in US Islam is the fastest growing religion and 63% of acceptance is by “modern western enlightened women”.

    Akhbar or brother – please feel free to correct if my statistics are not at par.

  51. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    talking about religions ISLAM has wars with israel balkans russia us india mabe thailand only china needs to be added to the list some how if uighur muslims bomb beijing that may be accomplished.after 9/11 every non muslim infidel or kafir loathes muslims.
    so the war of clash of civilisation has begun.
    before we were alone fighting islamic militants in kashmir and getting bombed by terrorists.but then us russia also got added and now pakistan too.we cant send saffron brigade to pakistan to bomb so why not pay ur brothers to bomb pakistan.
    some how script is in indias favour.i doubt now even if kashmiris wanna join pakistan.

  52. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    DEAR MR SHAH,
    Your 14th ‘s comments are of interest to me as being very popular among Hindus; YOU do have valid observation of what is in practice. BUT, these are not from QORAN, animal sacrifices, worship of stone,shia/sunnism , jihadism,talabanism, saudi kingship,etc. If you are not scoring against islam but trying to learn abt islam you need to study Qoran, only book promoting human rights,independence of women,social justice and equality of all, no aryan,semite,black,white bussiness, 4-caste varana-ashrama-dharma etc.
    Books of all other religions, hindus,jews,christians are the ROOTS of RACISM that was needed to be cleansed; SO we had to have Qoran via GOD’s mercy and Mohammad’s agency.
    Whatever your own faith is, please dont change stick to it as it came from ALLAH too BUT get rid of PRIESRLY fraud, racism , and mythical history, like vedic age and indo centric creationism–go for real history ” out of africa/babylon”.

  53. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    All of these are a result of colonialisms and its aftermath.

    The same can be said about Hindusim. Bharat has wars and conflicts with each and EVERY one of its neighbors. Delhi has been unable to resolve its boundary disputes with Lanka, Pakistan, China, Bhutan, Sikkim, Burma and even Bangladesh. Every country that borders Bharat hates it–and every country is South Asia loves China and is building links with China.

    You guays have been sending Saffron brigades all over the world, to Hyderabad (police Action), to Junagarh, and Manvadar, to Tibet, to Muslim Bengal (Manekshaw admits that he recruited 80,000 Hindus and infiltrated them into Muslim Bengal in 1970) to Lanka, to Sikkim, to tiny Maldives, to Burma.

    Bharat supported the USSR when it invaded Afghanistan and then supported the US invasion of Afghanistan—it has always been on the wrong side of history.

    There is no morality in Bharat’s foreign policy—and no long term thinking. Bharat is the kalaban of South Asia, hated by all and loved by none. Forget world power, Bharat is not even a regional power–and cannot even influence events in Lanak which is allowing China to build a naval base in Humbolta–right under your noses. Colombo rebuffed Bharati plans for Tamils just this week.

    Once the Americans leave Afghanistan–the inevitable union of the two countries will create the Muslim Union in Central Asia–Pakasia is the future.

  54. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Hijazi–Also Three fourths of the converts are women

    Even TOny Balir’s sister in law converted to Islam. Diane was murdered because she had converted and was going to marry Dodhi Fayed.

  55. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Actually before the advent of Islam, the Hindus were running around naked. Muslims taught them to wear clothes. Stitched cloth is a Muslim invention.

    Look at the depiction of women in the temples–always naked.

    Bharati holy men still go around naked. In fact those who have visited Bharat will attest to the fact that this is the only country in the planet where grown men will be walking naked in the cities without any shyness or harassment by the population. These are called “Sadus’ or Hindu holy men.

  56. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    We have heard you nonsensical anecdotal evidence based on bigotry and racism so endemic in your society and in your brains. Ever heard of Baroness Warsi–she runs the Conservative Party. Pakistanis are billionaires and poppers like any society.

    You can never see any good in Pakistanis because of the diseased called “temple indoctrination”. There is no cure for it. It only ends when you are burnt on the pyre.

  57. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Before the British came the adherents of 33 million Gods worshiped different Gods ever few miles with no connection to each other. Hinduism itself was a construct of the British, who manufactured history for you and came up with names like “Ashoka”. There is no written record of anyone named Ashoka either in Greek or contemporary Bharati history narratives. Some of his pillars in fact pre-date Buddhism itself, and none have Sanskrit on them.

    Hindus sold their souls to the invaders and the British sided with them. Per Dr. Jamil Hindu college would not even allow Muslim to attend, ’till the first census.

    You are absolutely right–the Sikhs were the most loyal of the British subjects–and the Sikh regiments were used to crush the war of independence of 1857. The Gorkhas are still loyal of the British flag, and these Sikhs and Hindus were used colonize Africa, the Caribbean and East Asia.

    They don’t teach you this in your history books, but West of the Indus was not even part of the British Indian EMpire. THey could never subjugate the Pakhtuns and the Baloch–and they called it “Tribal Areas” where there was not writ of the crown. Peshawar, Abbottabad, and even Nowshera was no-mans land for the British. West Punjab was Tribal till about 1873. Bhawalpur, Swat, Dir were quasi independent and the rest of Pakistan was a constant cause of problems for the British.

    Bharat was complaint and obsequious.

    It was the Rajputs and the Marhattas who aligned with the British to defeat Tipu Sultan. The Mirs were present because the Muslims owned all of Bharat–so there were a couple of bad apples. Two Muslims–ALL Hindus had sold out to the British–all of them. You actually had to create fake figures like “Mangal Panday” because you had no heroes who resisted the British.

    Sergent Major Mohandas Gandhi (of the British Army) used to call himself “Recruiter in Chief” for the Viceroy, and was a loyal member of the British Army in South Africa. He fought the Boers. He supported ever British war there was.

  58. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Jinnah demanded Pakistan and got it–he ran a constitutional battle, he didn’t do drama like running to the sea-shore and doing fake fasts

  59. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Not sure what the comment is supposed to say or mean

    You mean that Bharat is run by Americans and Israelis? Oh! OK!

  60. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    You were all naked before Islam came to Bharat. Your religion tells you to burn widows and you have 450 million Untouchables.

  61. Rahul Aggarwal · 2 years ago

    Wow…Pakistan future is in the hands of these masjid jihais. I am so happy. Reading the book of tribals(quran) has really helped you to come a long way…keep on reading it. Keep on praying allah..allah..allah…I am so happy that these kind of illeterate and stupid people exist on our enemy land. We don’t need to even blink our eyes. they will destroy themselves…ha ha ha

  62. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Of course not–keep reading the scientific books that tell you to continue drinking cow urine, rat worship, untouchabilty and widow burning–books that will continue to balkanize your so called country “India”.

    http://www.amazon.com/Post-Hindu-India-Dalit-Bahujan-Socio-Spiritual-Scientific/dp/817829902X

    One book that you may want to read is Dr. Ilaiah, Kancha’s Post-Hindu India—which is very revealing in the sense that he talks about the Dalits converting to Christianity, Islam and Budhdism leaving behind only 150 million Brahmans in a sea of Muslims, Buddhists and Christians. How sill this Non-Hindu Bharat look like?—a bunch of states in the pre-1947 era which is the norm for it.

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=25239

    Dr. Ilaiah’s critical analysis for the reason of “India’s” backwardness and his honest and blunt discussion about the bleak future of Hinduism is an eye opener. Dr. Ilaiah sees no future for the country–and openly espouses violent rebellion to overthrow the curse of caste slavery. He eulogizes Islam which provided emancipation to the lower castes in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and favors the mass conversion to Dalits and Shudras to any of the egalitarian religions, Christianity, Islam or Buddhism. Himself a Christian, he leaves the doors open to any of these options for the conversion. There will be an open forum to save and convert 450 million souls as they break out of the straight-jacket of Brahmanic slavery. All three religions will make a case, and the Dalits and Shudras will probably be swayed in all three directions. “Hinduism” will go the way of Jainism–existing as only a small minority religion in the land of its birth.

    PS: Your contempt of Islam and your bigoted racism against Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular do show your mentality. It is important for Pakistanis to know and understand this mentality–and it important for Muslims to know that people like you exist.

  63. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    JAIN’s AJEEVIKA Upanishad and TANTRIC sex perversion:
    MR shah’s,religion is perhaps oldest indian system; They had imported the idea of KUNDALINI 2 serpent Chara theory,from Babylon. It posits that soul resides in brain and invisible energy/serpent channels are let out on male genital as ” semen”; LOSS of semen=loss of soul. Tantric sex in open with opposit sex had meant to trasfer some soul/semen to soulless women. HERODOTUS had seen indians copulating like snakes in the open. The other extreme is Celbacy/Brahamcharya–save the soul.
    Greek Socrate had the same idea that he had gotten from ancient Babylon. Thomas Mcvelly in evolution of ancient thooughts has laid it out clearly. Indian YOGA is an import from Mideast; I have presented this in several medical mtgs in USA and in AKU at karachi few moths ago. IDEA of snake,health,immortality and medical emblem with 2 serpents originated in the cradle ” babylon”. Indians dont creat but do enjoy imports, part of evolution.

  64. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Amrit,

    One of thd businesses I owned was a successful recruitment agencies and I had many illegal Indian immigrants running away from India seeking work. You the names given to these Indian migrants – foujis because they think it is India lining themselves up in asian shopping areas seeking prospective employers come and pick them up.

    Evidently they were denied many wept and cried telling me of the squallow ransack life they came from. I even had doctors unable to find work in India were working in warehouses for a mere 6 pounds an hour.

    So what nonsense are you talking about.

  65. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Akhbar,

    The pinnacle of Hindu textile and fashion pre -and post islam and British was a vest and dhothi / lunghi.

    It still is in fashion in the south of the sub continent.

    Just to respond to a Hindu earlier he said Mir Jaffer a ethnic dravid convert was somehow my forefather. Wrong my forefathers were , Babur, Mahmood Ghaznavid, Ghori and the wave after wave of greater warriors who conquered Delhi.

    When these dravids and our inbreds talk with such overtones we do like to keep Delhi well within our sights.

  66. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Rahul,

    This Kitab UL Haq refreshed the them known world arming an ordinary Bedouin, sheep cattle herders of N. Africa and Asia with thd ability to rule and influence the then known world.

    The Arabic language even today found in .any literature both philosophical and academia. It excelled man to a new age from which the modern industrial and for that matter technological era owes much.

    Islam was liberating souls and minds while your kind were looking where to get their next meal as you swing semi clad in the jungles along the Ganges plains.

    We ruled over most of humanity justly and the adherents to the noble book lovingly remember our glory and contributions to the world. The Islamic state was dismantled a mere 90 years ago and remember a Sultan Salahuddin was born and raised an army against Western rule a century after the first crusade.

    You are ecstatic by your gift and theft of what belonged to others and you misuse your gift from the British. You will cry one day while the majority of the Sub Continent will rejoice that it is free of Brahmin rule.

    We say Allahu Akhbar because victorious is he who maketh us from dust and gave us autonomy over out life and control off our destiny. We live to fulfil our destiny and will make Tayyib-e-Madinah a bastion for the revival of Al Islam. Just so you know the term tayyib-e-madinah is Arabic for Pakistan. This will unite the modern Islamic Hijaz just like the Madinah of Arabia. In Arabic our Hijaz is Khuraysan or Khorasan. You can steal a persons history, you can steal a persons geography but you can not cheat fate or hijack another’s destiny.

    The rise of Khorasan is inevitable and the union of the Islamic world too is inevitable. This is prophecy and it shall come to pass just remember what happened when the Muslims united and were one. So that you know “we ruled the known world” and we will do so again.

    I will not insult your religion because if I begin there is sooo much to write and since I find it so abhorrent I will not even attempt to delve into the nonsense you call a faith.

  67. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Nonsense there is no Such thing in Jainism I challenge u for source

  68. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Jainism has no racism nor do we have bias against kafirs

  69. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Ain’t stoning women parading them naked cutting hands executing them through swords sharia law ?

  70. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    U missed nepal,Burma Maldives thailand (andaman Nicobar border),the only border dispute is with Pakistan and china ,
    Lanka is was and will always b our ally and so is Bhutan and Nepal
    Bangladesh well we are waiting for it to turn secular .

  71. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    I don’t see US leaving afpak for next 50 years .foreign policies are based on security not morality .

  72. Anshuman · 2 years ago

    But Prior to that all we have seen the trailer ………. 1971 and bangladesh ……………

  73. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    If wishes were horses angels would fly

    Fifty years?

    Foreign policy is also based on the economy and what you can afford.

    Lets see. In ten years the US spent $3 Trillion on the war and nearly went bankrupt.

    So does it have another $15 Trillion to throw away on the Angrez Kush and the Hindu Kush.

    I think not.

    The SCO will kick them out

  74. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    1971 Pray tell–where did you get your information? Let us guess–from the temple indoctrination!

    Events of 1971: The only thing a temple indoctrinated Bharati can do is harp upon 1971–forgetting August 14th, 1974, when the Indian agent was killed, and his body thrown in the streets for days–the Indian Rakhi Bahni sent packing back to Delhi.

    Most Indians are extremely proud about the export of its terror to Pakistan in the 70s. Bharat’s Rakhi Bahni massacred 1 million Non-Bengalis in Bangladesh. If the Indian sponsored LTTE terrorists had been successful in creating a Hindu Tamil state in Lanka-these very same people would have been ecstatic. If the Delhi sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the Chakma Republic Indians would be overjoyed. If the Bharati sponsored terrorists had been successful in creating the republic of Tibet—Delhi would be in high heaven. Bharatis are very proud of the terror tactics of the Mukti Bahni–which had recruited 80,000 Hindus (General Manekshaw’s biography). The Mukti Bhani dressed as Pakistani soldiers ravaged Muslim Bengal—blaming Pakistan. Then Bharat sent terrorists into the Chittagong Hill tracts into its former ally. Delhi cries like a baby on terror in Mumbai—but Bharatis are very proud of sending armed terrorist into a sovereign countries in Nepal, China, Lanka and Pakistan.

    In 1975 the Bangladesh leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated in a military coup. India lost a close ally and much of the strategic gains made in the 1971 war. Looking back 1971 was Pakistan has a catastrophe for Bharat. In the late 1980s Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi thought it was possible to impose peace in Sri Lanka’s ethnic conflict under the India-Sri Lanka Accord. He sent a large military force to the island state. It did not work out as had been intended. On the contrary, the feeling was reinforced among neighbors that India was behaving like the “big brother.” (Deepak Tripathi, former BBC correspondent, is a writer on the US, great power relations, South and West Asia. His latest book “Breeding Ground: Afghanistan and the Origins of Islamist Terrorism” is published this month by Potomac Books, Incorporated, Washington, DC.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPCc4XoOXs

  75. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    You will have to hold your breath for a very long time before BD turns secular.

    Bharat has boundary issues with Nepal and Lanka–Colomobo threw out Bharat’s suggestions on Tamils last week

  76. Imran · 2 years ago

    There are plenty of illiterate Indian’s living in the UK including many illegaly who i know personally. They mostly reside in poor are’a of London and slums of Leicester amongst many other places! Many Sikh asylum seekers in Glasgow too running from the Indian hellhole so perhaps you’re confusing the UAE from the UK!!

    You must be blind to have missed the many Indian takeaway’s and restaurants where your kind work sixty hours a week to make ends meet whilst constantly being threatened with deportation so they look to marry white girls who tell them where to go! Again i am speaking from experience…

    Most Indian’s don’t use their true names either…Gurpreet becomes Gary…Seeta becomes Seety…Joginder becomes Jog and so forth because they suffer from a inferiority complex! Whilst on this subject lets not forget how much the Australians hate lieing, smelly and cheating fake Bharati students who are regularly abused and get their ass kicked yet still refuse to leave so then claim to be Pakistanis!.

    The hindus have no history instead side with whoever is on top so nothing changes in this regard because they themselves are a sorry waste of space! The pathetic Baniya sits at the feet of whoever is in the position of power be it the Muslims, Jews, Christians or anyone else! Why don’t you tell us about the greatness of piss drinking Hindu Indians and the last time they had any power, must be centuries before 400 million ended on the streets ???

    FACT: Most popular Britisher from the subcontinent is boxer Amir Khan who is of Pakistani ethnicity, no British Indian even comes close to him interms of popularity! His fights are shown on pay per view on Sky!!

    More players of Pakistani ethnicity have represented the English cricket side then Indian’s including the first from the entire subcontinent being Aftab Habib!. Others include Owais Shah, Sajid Mehmood, Adil Rashid, Usman Afzal, Ajmal Shehzad, Kabir Ali to name a few, get my point??

    The only player from the subcontinent to ever represent England at snooker is Shaukat Ali, Pakistani ethnicity again!. There are plenty of millionaires of Pak ethnicity just that we don’t like to make a song and dance about it like you Indians! The highest number of Muslim doctors in the west are also of Pakistani ethnicity not Arabs! I can understand your anger at Pakistan afterall we tore you apart in 1947 then took half of Kashmir the following year!

  77. Imran · 2 years ago

    That’s why Jainsim has million’s of followers and a fascinating history or glory and coexistence! I think you should cover your mouth like your coreligionists, i can smell the bad breath from here!!!

  78. Imran · 2 years ago

    ..where do you get your information from??. Make quotations from Qur’an or hadith to debate further on this issue.

  79. Imran · 2 years ago

    Face facts!! No any gives $hit about Jainism because it’s a challenge to no one!

  80. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    The Hindu internet hit squad is out in full force today..

    Loving it.

    Mr ArsyMan,

    Militarily 1971 was a stalemate testimony to the fearless Pakistani army who had the strategic disadvantage. Bangladesh is always part of us as it is an Islamic brother nation. Bangladeshis today are slowly coking to terms with why 1971 and in time you will see the creation of greater Bangladesh or even a Bangistan.

    The Awami League will be drowned in the Bay of Bengal also.. The Awami LEague and her treacherous leader live off leased time.

    India knows the ienvitable therefore tries to buy time neither can you absorb / colonise Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka nor will you maintain your occupation of land belonging to Bhutan, Nepal, China and Pakistan. You are living on borrowed time, the only solution to maintaining an kind of India will be to return land that is not yours – annexed by the British and inherited by you. Should yu continue your misadventures you will loose more than you bargained for.

    I guarantee you, if I were a betting man I would put all my chips in that there will be a re-emergence of a new Islamic union of states existing as a economic block, military block linked and tied to China and even Russia with good relationships. This will either be the re-emergence of a Turkic centric union or a Pakistan centric union either way it will unify Central Asia.

    I hope your alive in 50 years and as a oild frail man breathing his last breath you will come two terms with two things I will leave you.

    1) Lailaha Illallah as you close your eyes and meet your maker.
    2) Just before I hope you close your eyes you will see the emergence of a new Islamic union of states that will dwarf India.

    :)

  81. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Its ok Bijon I too would be ashamed if I were a Hindu – infact I would never be as I find it abhorrent.

    I can understand your denial – you keep telling yourself you are special and important.

    :——————————)

  82. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Israel Occupies Muslim Lands
    The Balkans was akin tot he war in Afghanistan so that Russia is denied a monopoly over the Oil and Gas rich Caspian Basin and not in a position to suffocate the flow of oil and gas to Europe. Today oil and gas flows to Europe via Kosovo. Just so you know it was the Serbs who attacked the Bosnian Muslims. Russian attrocities in Dagestan, Chechnya is all available and if you wish to browse through amnesty International documents you will realise why they struggle.

    There is no conflict with China since Pakistan & Turkey have helped resolve the issues in the Xing Xiang. Just so you you know the hostility was manufactured by India and USA seeking to destabilise China. Since 9/11 there has been an upsurge in revertion to Islam and no more so than in the United States of America, South America and Europe – Fact!.

    I am Kashmiri and to be called an Indian is abhorrent absolutely disgusts me and to associate my people with the civilisation of short dark semi naked pygmies that crawled from under a rock along the Ganges plains is so not acceptable. I think you are deaf like all Indians tot he plight of Kashmiris and their daily protests.

    You will “always” be alone because no nation, no culture, no ethnicity wishes to be associated with your kind. The Afghanistan war will end and the focus will be on Kashmir, Himanchal Pardesh, Assam, Seven Sister States. You will always be alone as you will always be outsiders, blunt tools, loyal foot soldiers.

    A people who do not even know their real past will always be confused about their future – you are such a people. Yes Pakistan and Afghanistan will merge they were never indifferent we have never recognised the durand line. Your kind can only “dream” about ruling us while we can say;

    Been there, Done that and have the t-shirt to show for it.

    I think you just got owned.

    :)

  83. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    All isms are shisms like a brain tumour they will bury their adherents in Bijons case is charcoal them :).

    Islam is no ism as it was not created by The British.

  84. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    No it ain’t but you will not believe this will you.

    Aint drinking cow urine subscribed for Hindus, or bathe in Cow Urine subscribed for you practiced by your spiritual sadhos who are nothing but narcotic fools.

  85. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    The only factual thing in your above comment, to paraphrase you is “I don’t see”…

    Thats right you don’t see jack just rely on conjecture cocktailed with utter garbage. Hey why not make an outlandish claim and say India will be landing her boots on Afghanistan…oh say it so, say it so.

    Your a fool and should spend your past time elsewhere and stop hijacking perfectly good blog topics here.

  86. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Just to add the biggest breakthrough was when South Asian Dravids diversified from white lunghis essentially a piece of cloth tied around their legs and white vests to….. wait for it….. red vests, blue vests….

    Also a popular fashion icon by native Indian ancestors in the South was to tie a sack around your waste tied by a rope or cloth.

    Unlike the taseful Salwar Kameez, Sherwanis from central asia or the British tailored suits.

  87. Alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Imran,

    We are still awaiting a response from Bijon to tell us what his thoughts are of the wretched Vedic barbarians who annihilated his supposedly jain civilisation.

    What are his thought…

  88. Khalid bin Waleed II · 2 years ago

    @Bijon I think you are living in a fantasy land.You need to wake up from your Kamasutra dreams before leaving a comment on Sharia law. You mean to say that your great hindu culture is humane where you burn your dead and throw them in the water and then drink and eat your dead from the water. For your information on the earth we live in and in your racket western democracy their is death penalty by electrocution , lethal injection, life imprisonment. In reality the same Sharia law you hate saved you hindus from being executed and being accepted as part of community, where you were given equal rights by the same Muslims living in Pakistan you hate today.
    That is why you are same as Bani Israel two ungrateful greedy nations well known for being Banias.

  89. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Anand,

    When our creator have out brains you asked for onions.

    1). Hindus have never overpowered Islam and neither are they capable without support as they are nothing but orcs – trolls – foot soldiers in the greater game.

    Should India ever be in a position to wage war on Islam and Pakistan given her geography she will be overwhelmed and overrun by the faithful.

    2). Israel is struggling for survival unable to sustain itself without financial aid from the West. Israel IQ nothing but a bastion of Western hegemonic designs in the Middle East. Even after the displacement and genocide of The Palestinians – it is Israel that is insecure. Israel is another artificial state that hijacks another peoples religion, identity, legacy, geography but she v.similar to India cannot cheat fate and the inevitable.

    3). America flourished after WW 2 on Nazi gold and later Arab oil money very much reliant on commodity and resource. As long as nations are overpowered and subjugated and engaged in conflict she as in America will take advantage. Again benefiting from Chaos and divides. The world is a lot different since the end of the British Empire, as it is from WW2, as it is since the end of the cold war. The American manufactured global war on terror a facade has failed and is bringing half the worlds population together under economic / trading blocks and defence pacts.

  90. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Well they didn’t annihilate us they Ofcourse must have affected us by taking away our granths etc , however Jains are fastest growing community in India today .
    But Islamic invaders destroyed our temples , so now we have naturally allied with Hindus like Jews did with Christians. However indian Muslims are integrating well being good citizens paying taxes helping India grow . I believe indian Muslim have a good role in fight against Pakistan .
    Indian Muslims are key to pakistans disintegration.
    Pakistan in future will be unlivable that they will have to migrate to India .

  91. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Jainism had already been destroyed by the Brahmans–way before Islam came to South Asia. We have published several articles on this subject.

    The Non-Hindu India is the future of Bharat—

    Why migrate to “India”–why not to Tajikistan?

  92. Abdallah Jan · 2 years ago

    @ Bijon Shah: Before I write about your name origin, let me introduce you to one of your own, his name is Dr. Radhakrishnan.

    Glimpses Of Islam:
    In View Of Rationalism And Tolerance (1)

    by Duli Chandra Jain

    Introduction:

    During an informal discussion at a meeting of the Jain Study Circle, a participant pointed out that all religions have essentially the same code of ethics. On hearing this, another participant remarked: what about Islam and forgiveness? This is similar to questioning the teaching of non-possessiveness (APARIGRAH) of the Jain religion by looking at the activities of Jain individuals and institutions. Siddhantacharya Pt. Phool Chandra Shastri has observed, (2) “The community of self-reliants (SHRAMAN SANGH) has discarded the concept of non-possessiveness (APARIGRAHA). … If the self-reliant (SHRAMAN) monks and their disciples realize that promoting improper practices does not constitute religion and that religion involves discarding such practices, then it will be possible to reverse this trend.”

    Religious tolerance is rooted in the Jain concept of rationalism. However, the comment about Islam and forgiveness implies a total disregard for rationalism and tolerance.

    Jain scriptures teach us to be pragmatic. SUTRAKRITAANG, the second earliest Jain scripture (second century B.C.), states: (3)

    SAYAM SAYAM PASAMSAMTA, GARAHANTA PARAM VAYAM |

    JE U TATTH VIYUSSANTI, SAMSAARAM TE VIYUSSIYA |

    Those who praise their own faith, disparage their opponents’, and possess malice against them will remain confined to the cycle of birth and death.

    Rationalism entails rational perception, rational knowledge and rational conduct. Ascertaining reality through study and observation without any preconceived notions is rational perception. This is the way to acquire rational knowledge. Actions guided by rational perception and rational knowledge constitute rational conduct. We need to adopt such rational approach to discern the true spirit of any religion. In this context, it is important to remember the following:

    “As is usual, a mantle of aberrations, myths and legends envelops the fundamental tenets of Jainism. For this reason, an individual has to look deep to get a glimpse of the pristine spirit of Jainism. Further, an individual has the liberty to select what conforms to his/her experience and common sense.”(4)

    Such insightful study will lead us to believe that the virtues taught by all religions are similar in essence. Dr. Radhakrishnan writes, (5) “When we take our stand on the ‘experience’ side of religion, we realize that the truly religious men of all faiths are nearer each other than they imagine.”

    We should adopt such approach to appraise the tenets of Islam and all other religions.

    Teachings of Islam: (6)

    Like all religions, Islam is a religion that emphasizes truth and virtuous conduct. Dr. Radhakrishnan states, (7) “With him (Mohammad), religion was an effort to know the truth and live it. … Mohammad … lays down no restrictions likely to keep enchained the conscience of advancing humanity.” Dr. Radhakrishnan continues, (8) “The Prophet did not inculcate the subjection of human reason to blind authority. A religion which is so strictly limited by common sense on all sides cannot be made to support the inhuman practices of today.” This concept is akin to the Jain concept of rationalism.

    Islam, the religion founded by Prophet Mohammed, means submission to the will of God. It is a religion of self-surrender, acceptance of the revelations and following the commands of God. Islam establishes a universal brotherhood of man. Islam teaches that “No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. God will not be affectionate to that man who is not affectionate to God’s creatures. He is the most favored of God from whom the greatest good comes to His creatures.”

    In Islam, abuse, anger, avarice, back-biting, blood-shedding, bribery, dishonesty, drinking, envy, flattery, greed, hypocrisy, lying, miserliness, pride, suicide, violence, wickedness, warfare, etc., are deprecated and virtues such as brotherhood, charity, cleanliness, chastity, forgiveness, friendship, gratitude, humility, justice, kindness, love, mercy, moderation, modesty, purity of heart, righteousness, truth and trust are enjoined. (9)

    The Qur’an states: (10) Those who abstain from vanities and the indulgence of their passions, give alms, offer prayers, and tend well their trusts and their covenants, they shall be the heirs of eternal happiness.

    Forced Conversions and Islam:

    Dr. Radhakrishnan has stated, (11) “It is not possible for a thinker like Mohammad to advocate forced conversions. We cannot compel men to change their beliefs.” The following Ayat from the Qur’an supports this fact:

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” (Surah II, Ayat 256)

    Further, the following Surah CIX, entitled ‘The Unbelievers’ presents the crescendo of religious tolerance:

    1. Say: O unbelievers!

    2. I do not serve that which you serve,

    3. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:

    4. Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,

    5. Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:

    6. You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

    Forgiveness and Islam:

    The Qur’an contains the following Ayats on forgiveness among others:

    Take to forgiveness and enjoin good and turn aside from the ignorant.

    (Surah VII, Ayat 199)

    And those who shun the great sins and indecencies, and whenever they are angry they forgive.

    And the recompense of evil is punishment like it, but whoever forgives and amends, he shall have his reward from Allah; surely He does not love the unjust.

    And whoever is patient and forgiving, these most surely are actions due to courage.

    (Surah XLII, Ayats 37, 40, 43)

    One is responsible for one’s deeds:

    The following Ayat from the Qur’an emphasizes the fact that one is responsible for one’s thoughts and actions:

    Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord, therefore whoever goes aright, he goes aright for the good of his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and I am not a custodian over you. (Surah X, Ayats 108)

    Genuine Religious Tolerance:

    Dr. Radhakrishnan summarizes, (12) “We must also learn to democratize our institutions and do away with the wrangling creeds, unintelligible dogmas and oppressive institutions under which the soul of man is literally crushed. Both Islam and Hinduism at their best teach that true religion is to serve God in truth and purity and obey His laws reverently in all the affairs of life.”

    We Jains should follow the advice of this great Indian thinker of modern times.

    My comments:

    Dr. Radhakrishnan observation that Islam was founded by Muhammad is not correct,

    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” Qura’n.

    His statement, “We need to adopt such rational approach to discern the true spirit of any religion” give clue to Jainism as man made religion and not of Divine nature.

    His statement, “an individual has to look deep to get a glimpse of the pristine spirit of Jainism. Further, an individual has the liberty to select what conforms to his/her experience and common sense.”

    This means he or she can make her own sets of belief or religion that he or she thinks suits him or her, therefore Jain is not a Divine religion.

    Jain religion has gone through successive changes as time progressed.
    There is no Prophet or Rishi that can be credited as founder of Jainism.

    Universal history of Jainism

    * No Founder…

    Jainism doesn’t have a single founder. The truth has been revealed at different times by a tirthankara, which means a teacher who ‘makes a ford’ i.e. shows the way. Other religions call such a person a “prophet”.

    As great omniscient teachers, Tirthankaras accomplished the highest spiritual goal of existence and then teach others how to achieve it.

    In what Jains call the “present age” there have been 24 tirthankaras – although there is little evidence for the existence of most of these.

    Tirthankaras

    A tirthankara appears in the world to teach the way to moksha, or liberation.

    A Tirthankar is not an incarnation of the God. He is an ordinary soul that is born as a human and attains the states of a Tirthankar as a result of intense practices of penance, equanimity and meditation. As such, the Tirthankar is not defined as an Avatar (god-incarnate) but is the ultimate pure developed state of the soul.

    Tirthankaras were not founders of any religion, but great omniscient teachers who lived at various times in man’s cultural history. They accomplished the highest spiritual goal of existence and then taught their contemporaries the way to reach it by crossing over to the safe shores of spiritual purity.

    Each new tirthankara preaches the same basic Jain philosophy, but they give the Jain way of life subtly different forms in order to suit the age and the culture in which they teach.

    The 24 tirthankaras during this present age are:
    Adinatha, Ajita, Sambhava, Abhinandana, Sumati, Padmaprabha, Suparshva, Chandraprabha, Suvidhi, Shital, Shreyansa, Vasupujya, Vimala, Ananta, Dharma, Shanti, Kunthu, Ara, Malli, Muni Suvrata, Nami, Nemi, Parshva and Mahavira.

    Svetambara Jains believe that tirthankaras can be men or women, and say that Malli began her life as a Princess; but Digamber Jains believe that women can’t be tirthankaras and that Malli was a man.

    * Parshva

    There is some historical evidence for the earthly existence of the 23rd tirthankara, Parshva, who lived about 250 years before Mahavira.

    In his time four of the five Jain principles of non-violence, truthfulness, not stealing, and not owning things were part of Jainism. Chastity was added by the next tirthankara, Mahavira.

    * Mahavira

    Mahavira is regarded as the man who gave Jainism its present-day form; although this is true only in the widest sense. He is sometimes wrongly called “the founder of Jainism”.

    Mahavira is only this world’s most recent tirthankara (and will be the last one in this age). It may be more useful to think of him as a reformer and populariser of an ancient way of life rather than as the founder of a faith.

    Early life of Mahavira

    Mahavira was originally born as Vardhamana in north east India in 599 BCE (that’s the traditional date but some modern scholars prefer 540 BCE, or even later).

    He was a prince, the son of King Siddhartha and Queen Trishala, who were members of the kshatriya (warrior) caste and followers of the teachings of Parshva.

    My Comments: Vardhamana is wrongly attributed as Mahavira. Just as Buddha prophesied the advent of Maha Buddha (Muhammad) or Kalki Avatar in Hindu Scriptures, Mahavira is none other than Muhammad (pbuh).

    Mahavira becomes an ascetic

    When Prince Vardhamana reached thirty years of age, not long after the death of both his parents, he left the royal palace to live the life of an ascetic, or a sadhana (one who renounces all worldly pleasures and comforts).

    He spent twelve and a half years subjecting himself to extremely long, arduous periods of fasting and meditation.
    Eventually his efforts bore fruit, and Vardhamana attained Kevalnyan, enlightenment, and therefore was later called Mahavira, (the name means great hero: maha =great, vira = hero).

    Mahavira the teacher

    From that day forward Mahavira taught the path he had discovered to other seekers. His teaching career lasted until his physical death in 527 BCE (according to Svetambara texts), when he was 72 years old. After a final period of intensive fasting he attained moksha, the final liberation from all rebirth.

    Mahavira added the principle of chastity to the four Jain principles already given by Parshva (no violence, no lying, no stealing, no possessions).

    According to tradition Mahavira is said to have established a community of 14,000 monks and 36,000 nuns before he died.

    My Comments: 36,000 nuns for what purposes? Do some research on Buddhist nuns or Catholic nuns, and see how they were used for gratifications.

    But he certainly did create a large and loyal monastic/ascetic/mendicant community inspired by his teaching. One of his immediate disciples, Jambu, was the last person in this age to achieve enlightenment.

    Over the next centuries the Jain community grew and spread to central and western parts of India.

    Jainism began to lose strength as Hinduism grew in the early part of the last millennium, and by the middle of the 19th century it was seriously weakened.

    Jainism was revived in the 19th century by a number of Svetambara reformers, most notably Atmaramji (1837-96). In the 20th century the Digambara movement was revitalised through the work of Acarya Shantisagar.

    If Vardhamana was born on 599 BC or 540 BC,

    539 B.C.: political events

    Persian forces defeat the Babylonian king Nabonidus, who has returned after 11 years’ exile. The city of Babylon falls October 12 to Cyrus II’s general Gobyras, who captures Nabonidus and exiles him to Carmania. Cyrus the Great enters the city October 30 amidst wild rejoicing by the populace.

    538 B.C.: religion

    The Babylonian prince Belshazzar (Balthasar, or Baltasar) tries to expel the forces of Cyrus II but suffers a crushing defeat and is killed (year approximate). He has (by biblical account) held a great feast in which he saw a hand writing the Aramaic words “mene, mene, tekel, upharsin” on a wall, words that are interpreted to mean the destruction of the city by the will of God. Cyrus the Great destroys the city of Babylon and permits its Jews to return to Jerusalem after their 49-year exile. They will rebuild the Great Temple begun by Solomon in 961 B.C

    530 B.C.: political events

    Persia’s Cyrus II (the Great) leads a military expedition against the Massagetai, accompanied by Parsa’s king Hystaspes

    529 B.C.: political events

    Persia’s Cyrus II (the Great) is killed fighting the nomadic Massagetai tribe east of the Caspian Sea. Dead at age 71 after a 2l-year reign that has extended his empire from the Caucasus to the Indian Ocean and from the Indus to the Mediterranean, he is succeeded by his son, who will reign until 522 B.C. as Cambyses II.

    My Comments: please note here that Cyrus II ruled from Caspian sea to Indian ocean, that means India was under his rule.

    528 B.C.: religion

    Buddhism has its beginnings in India, where Siddhartha Gautama, 35, has found enlightenment after a long and severe penance at Buddh Gaya, near Benares. Born at Lumbini in Nepal, Siddhartha is a prince who renounced the luxury of palace life 5 years ago, went into the wilderness wearing sackcloth, but found the ascetic life futile. In the next 45 years he will travel up and down the Ganges River; he will be called the Buddha (Enlightened One) and will found monastic orders of a religion that will become dominant in China, Japan, and some other Asian countries.

    After Cyrus, Cambyses II becomes King in 525 BC and after him Darius I becomes King of this huge empire.

    As their religion was Zoroaster persuasion, it did a huge impact on Jainism and Buddhism.

    Since Dr. Radhakrishnan has stated “We need to adopt such rational approach to discern the true spirit of any religion”

    Gives a proof that Jain adaptation, addition and subtraction. Impacted the people of Hind in various ways including the culture and names given to children at birth.

    Therefore Bijon is actually Be-jan and Shah is Persion last name and is not of Bengali Origin.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  93. Anshuman · 2 years ago

    “1971–forgetting August 14th, 1974, when the Indian agent was killed”………………… and pak got united again ………….. forgive me ………… i have never heard any such thing.

    Again Mr. Bhutto the great Pak Patriot was hanged on a electrical on a public street and that too in his own country………. so what difference does it really make……. and such barbaric state act not even terrorist act is common to Pak And may be your Mosque indroctrine teaches you so.

  94. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Mr abd(slave or servant) what if u realise there is no god or allah there is no heaven or hell, all your life has been a waste thinking bout jannat and doing namaz?

    Now According to Islamic belief, Allah is the proper name of God, and humble submission to His Will, Divine Ordinances and Commandments is the pivot of the Muslim faith. “He is the only God, creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind. “He is unique (wahid) and inherently one (ahad), all-merciful and omnipotent.” The Qur’an declares “the reality of Allah, His inaccessible mystery, His various names, and His actions on behalf of His creatures.”

    now i will give you logical argument as to why the concept of allah has flaws.please be calm and not get emotional since its about faith. lets have a fair debate.
    first ill discuss from the belief he is “omnipotent”.
    If allah can perform any action, then it should be able to create a task it is unable to perform, and hence, it cannot perform all actions. Yet, on the other hand, if it cannot create a task it is unable to perform, then there exists something it cannot do.
    in short Could allah create a stone so heavy that even that allah himself could not lift it?” If so, then it seems that allah could cease to be omnipotent; if not, it seems that allah was not omnipotent to begin with.

  95. Amrit rao · 2 years ago

    Baroness wars is just 1 out of 1 million pakistanis, you must visit Leeds and Bradford to see the true picture of the pakistanis.

    With regards to Indians all the immigrants in a high rank and the second generation too have been doing well.

  96. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    contd
    regarding allah being all merciful and judge of humankind
    The concept of hell is immoral and the punishment is disproportionate to any crimes that could be committed, an overkill. Because human beings have a finite lifespan, they can commit only a finite number of sins, yet hell is an infinite punishment. Allah’s infinite dignity requires that any transgression against him warrants an infinite punishment. On this view, the correct punishment for a crime is proportional to the status of the wronged individual.but shouldnt the severity of a crime be determined by the amount of harm done to the victim, not by their lifespan or scope of being?. An omnipotent being, by definition, cannot be harmed. Therefore, by condemning souls to an eternal damnation, God would be punishing souls for actions that had no effect on him.

  97. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    lastly regarding allah created universe .
    Quran says allah (the first cause) created universe(2nd cause) now this means if universe has a creator than allah should too so who created allah .chiken and egg problem meaning things cannot exist without creators and applies it to God, setting up an infinite regress.why the First Cause(allah) be unique in that it does not require a cause?
    i know these logics are totally off topic but i had to reply to personal attacks .

  98. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    power of sword has has become nil after invention of bullets and guns.of course men from north from mountains were physically stronger then men from plains.
    but now is the time of banias…. money is the power,holy books dont give food ,businessmen rule the world .
    remember it was a company that destroyed mughals.
    oil is the only reason why islam still exists…

  99. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    i cover my mouth and nose to avoid getting burning fumes from my neighbourhood (pakistan)…any blasts today?..however i feel colonels coup against kayani is imminent.
    todays pakistan is a lesson for future generations and other nations about karma theory and newtons 3rd law…..also”eet kaa jawaab pathar”…

  100. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Jainis sikhis budhists bahai shias bohris ahmadiyas christians sufis hindus jews all exist in india today and will together make india prosperous.

  101. vijay · 2 years ago

    Islam is worst religion known to mankind. there are 109 verses in Quaran which justifies violence and killing innocent people called unbelievers.

    What u muslims r forgetting is, you can enforce islam on every individual. Mohammed killed innocent people under name of Allah.

    Allah or no god asks for killing innocent people. Its a shame that muslims justified killing innocent people in the name of their religion and allah.

    If quaran tells u to kill non believers then why muslim militants are attacking Mosque and killing innocent people gathered for prayers.

    WHich islam is this? or which Quran is this?

  102. vijay · 2 years ago

    you cant enforce islam on everyone.

  103. subbu · 2 years ago

    Who says Shudras are converting en masse? They have formed powerful groups to take advantage of reservations offered by govt of India. Perhaps, if religious reservation comes into effect, then mass conversions may take place. Or may be even riots. No one can predict that.

    The thing about Hindus is that they form smaller groups, more manageable, unlike muslims who are part of humongous sea of people conflicted about the hierarchical primacy of their ethnic and religious identity. So even though some hindu groups may be impoverished, they have an opportunity to come up, either by converting to christianity or any other religion, or by lobbying for reservations and political representation. I’d say, its advantage Hindus as of now, unless the world gets back to medieval warring ways where barbarians like muslims may have an upper hand. What’s to say that groups which converted to christianity won’t relinquish their faith in the future?

  104. alamsaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Abdallah Jan,

    Absolutely Shah is not a Bengoli name and its origins are Persian yet there are many Hindus with the name Shah.

    His denial of Vedic barbarians decimating Jain temples and destroying an entire civilisation is testimony that he is not who he says he is.
    The Jain temples and civilisation was long gone before the Muslims came.

    Hinduism owes so much to Persia as in saris, tilaks, tikkas and offcourse names.

  105. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    GREAT review MR abdullah jaan,Thanks.
    Very informative comments for me re Jainism. BUT your high academic views cannot convince an average hindu indian imbibed with hindu nationalism;For him hinduism and indian nationalism are synonymous, though cloaked as ” secular india”.MR Shah perhaps will remain immune to it.
    WE really find two streams, real religion of man ( call it islam or God’s religion) and political priescrafts of Various modern labells, hindism judauism,chritianity islam etc. Politics is for money and not soul or humanism/human rights etc.
    Thanks again for a very nice educational piece. I always try to remember SURA 41:43 , There is nothing new i am telling thee, that i have not sent earlier.
    QORAN remains most modern final commentary of GOD, for all mankind. This is so very clear from writings of Radha krishnan too.

  106. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Jainism was long gone before Islam came to South Asia–and way before the 12th century.

  107. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Please read the book called “Post-Hindu India”. Take your beef up with the Indian author.

  108. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Vijay: Your information is wrong and incorrect. There is no incitement to violence in the Quran. Your perceptions of Islam are based on your “temple indoctrination”–which is a mentla disease which disallows most Bharatis to see anything good in Islam or Pakistan.

    Should we quote from the Gita etc? Do you wants us to discuss Dasyas? or is a hint enough?

  109. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Why are you covering your mouth–something going in there? I wonder what it reminds you of?

    Only hyenas laugh at death. Your kind doesn’t have a human soul. You are banyas to the core–and your thinking will always remain the same. Your comments are reminders on how right our forefathers were.

    This guy writing under different names has been assigned by RAW to intervene in our site. You can tell from his writing style when he poses as different folks, usually Muslim names. He has been persisnt and been on our site for years.

    Its really a waste of time—his immature gibberish is just like throwing brick-bats. There is no substance behind it.

  110. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Only banyas think so!

    It was not the “company” it was the guns behind the company that defeated Tipu Sultan–and it was the guns that defeated the 1857 war of independence. The Company was thrown out in 1857 because they could not handle it

  111. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    The problem with you “tmeple indoctrinated” bots is that you have the inability to read anything that is good about Pakistan and Pakistanis

    Baroness Warsi is not the only one. All major political parties now have Pakistanis in prominent positions of power.

    Have you not heard of Lord Nazir, Lord Ahmed

    This may impress the banya in you.

    Have you not heard of Scottish Millionaire Ibrahim? or
    Multi-millionaire Sir Anwar Pervez or
    Shaf Rasul – One of the richest men in Scotland
    Sir Anwar Pervez – is a Pakistan-born businessman and ranks as the 6th richest Asian in Great Britain. Founder of the Bestway Group

    Sajjad Karim is a Member of the European Parliament.
    Rehman Chishti became the new Conservative Party MP for Gillingham and Rainham
    Scottish Nnational Party candidate Bashir Ahmad was elected to the Scottish Parliament to represent Glasgow at the 2007 election
    Salma Yaqoob is the leader of the left wing Respect Party.
    Qassim Afzal is the most senior Liberal Democrat politician of Pakistani origin

    Read this and weep
    http://rupeenews.com/?p=33316

    List of Prominent Pakistani British:

    Science
    Dr. Naveed Zaidi – developed the world’s first workable plastic magnet at room temperature [1] [2] [3].
    Dr. Kalbe Razi Naqvi – derived the Razi Naqvi Kinetic Law.

    Business and industry
    Shami Ahmed – is a British millionaire founder of the Joe Bloggs clothing brand
    Tahir Mohsan – is the founder of the TIME brand and currently manages several investment companies from his base in Dubai
    Sir Anwar Pervez – is a Pakistan-born businessman and ranks as the 6th richest Asian in Great Britain. Founder of the Bestway Group.[4]
    James Caan – a millionaire businessman that is currently starring in Dragons’ Denalongside with other investors.
    Ilyas Khan – Chairman of Crosby Capital Partners and TechPacific.
    Ausaf Abbas – Managing Director, Morgan Stanely, former MD Merril Lynch Global Wealth Management.

    Entertainment
    Hajaz Akram – is a British actor
    Mina Anwar – is a British actress who is best known for playing Police Constable Maggie Habib in the sitcom The Thin Blue Line
    Ali Khalid – is a Pakistani born British actor and producer, appearing in both Pakistani and British TV Serials such as “Sard Aag” and Coronation Street
    Nigel Le Vaillant – is a British actor, born in Karachi
    Shazia Mirza – is a comedian from Birmingham, England, whose act revolves around her Muslim faith
    Suleman Mirza, lead dancer of Signature; runner-up on Britain’s Got Talent 2008.

    Journalism and media
    Ali Abbasi – Scottish TV Presenter .
    Tazeen Ahmad – a British television and radio presenter and reporter
    Martin Bashir – is a British journalist of Pakistani descent, currently with ABC’s 20/20
    Mishal Husain – is currently an anchor for BBC World
    Saira Khan – was the runner-up on the first series of The Apprentice, and now a TV presenter on BBC’s Temper Your Temper and Desi DNA
    Waheed Khan – is a documentary television director working in British television
    Ayub Khan-Din – is a playwright and actor
    Mazher Mahmood – is an undercover reporter for the British newspaper News of the World
    Javed Malik – is a British journalist and political analyst, with Pakistani-news channelARY ONE World
    Sarfraz Manzoor – is a British writer, journalist, documentary maker, and broadcaster. He writes regularly for The Guardian, presents documentaries on BBC Radio 4.
    Shereen Nanjiani – is a radio journalist with BBC Radio Scotland
    Adil Ray – is a British radio and television presenter, for BBC Asian Network
    Riz Lateef – is a news reader and the BBC Deputy News Manager 8 pm

    Literature
    Tariq Ali – is a British historian and novelist
    Moniza Alvi – is a British poet and writer
    Nadeem Aslam – is a British novelist
    Imtiaz Dharker – is a Pakistani-British poet and documentary filmmaker
    Hanif Kureishi – is an English playwright, screenwriter and filmmaker, novelist and short story writer
    Ziauddin Sardar – is scholar, writer and cultural-critic

    Military & Police
    Muhammed Akbar Khan – served as a British recruit in the First World War and an officer in Second World War. Khan was the first Muslim to become a General in British Army.
    Tarique Ghaffur – was a high-ranking British police officer in London’s Metropolitan Police Service. He served as Assistant Commissioner–Central Operations
    Mohsin Khan – is a former Royal Air Force airman.
    Superintendent Makhdum Ali Chishty QPM – is a high ranking police officer in Warwickshire Police. He was recently honoured with the Queen’s Police Medal by The Queen

    Music
    Aziz Ibrahim – is a Manchester-based guitarist with Asia, Simply Red and formally withThe Stone Roses
    Natasha Khan – a Brighton-based songwriter and currently the only member of Bat for Lashes
    Aki Nawaz
    Tariq Khan
    Deeyah
    Jinx[citation needed]
    Imran Khan Bhangra Vocalist
    Zeekay R&B Singer

    Politics
    Bashir Ahmad – a member of the Scottish National Party
    Nazir Ahmed, Baron Ahmed – is a Labour member of the House of Lords
    Mohammad Asghar – is a Welsh politician, representing Plaid Cymru
    Khalid Mahmood – is a Labour MP from Birmingham
    Rehman chisti is MP from Rochester
    Shahid Malik – is a politician from Labour Party and former Minister
    Bashir Maan – is a Pakistani-Scottish politician, businessman and writer
    Mohammad Sarwar – is a politician in the United Kingdom, and former member of Parliament for Glasgow Central
    Sayeeda Hussain Warsi, Baroness Warsi – is Cabinet Minister/MP and Chairperson of Conservative Party.
    Yasmin Qureshi is Labour MP from Bolton
    Shabana Mahmood is Labour MP from Lady Wood, Birmingham
    Sadiq Khan, Labout MP from Tooting, London.

    Salma Yaqoob – is the vice-chair of Respect – The Unity Coalition and a Birmingham City Councillor.
    Imran Ahmad Khan – is the President of the Transnational Crisis Project and an internationally recognised expert on transnational security[5] [6]

    Sport
    Atif Bashir, footballer (British Pakistani father and a Turkish German mother)
    Amir Khan- British Lightweight Boxer, 2004 Olympics Silver Medalist
    Amjad Khan – Cricketer England International and youngest to play for Danish national team
    Usman Afzaal – is an English cricketer who has played three Test matches for England
    Adnan Ahmed – is an English-Pakistani footballer who is currently playing for Tranmere Rovers
    Kabir Ali – is an English cricketer, playing for Worcestershire
    Shahroze Khan- first Pakistani to score a hat-trick on his first game (English Premier League)
    Kadeer Ali – is an English cricketer, playing for Worcestershire
    Moeen Ali – is an English cricketer, playing for Warwickshire
    Adam Docker – is an English-Pakistani footballer, playing for Porthmadog F.C.
    Amjad Iqbal – is an English-Pakistani footballer, playing for Farsley Celtic F.C.
    Sajid Mahmood – an English cricketer who plays international cricket for England and county cricket for Lancashire
    Imran Majid – is a professional British pool player
    Adil Rashid – is an English cricketer who plays for Yorkshire and England Under-19s
    Zeeshan Rehman – is a British-Pakistani football defender for Queens Park Rangers F.C.. Was the first Pakistani and British Asian to play in the Premiership with Fulham F.C.
    Bilal Shafayat – is an English cricketer
    Owais Shah – is a cricketer who plays for Middlesex and has appeared for England in a number of One Day Internationals and two Test matches
    Ikram Butt- former rugby league player. First south Asian to play either code of international rugby for England in 1995. Founder of the British Asian Rugby Association and the British Pakistani rugby league team.
    Adam Khan Racing driver from Bridlington, Yorkshire, who represents Pakistan in the A1 Grand Prix series. He is currently the demonstration driver for the Renault F1 racing team
    Nadeem Siddique British welterweight boxer
    Adil Anwar British light-welterweight boxer
    Haroon Khan British amateur fighter winner of national boxing

    Other
    Vilayat Inayat Khan – was the eldest son of Sufi Murshid Hazrat Inayat Khan, head of the Sufi Order International
    Mohammad Naseem – is a former GP and the chairman of the Birmingham Mosque Trust
    Michael Nazir-Ali – is the 106th and current Bishop of Rochester in the Church of England. He holds dual Pakistani and British citizenship
    Robina Qureshi – is a Scottish human rights campaigner
    Jawed Siddiqi is British Muslim academic and political activist
    Ghayasuddin Siddiqui – is an academic and political activist
    Mona Siddiqui – is a British Muslim academic, currently is a University of Glasgow’s Professor of Islamic Studies and Public Understanding, as well a regular contributor to BBC Radio 4, The Times, Scotsman, The Guardian, The Herald
    Nosheen Idrees Represented Pakistan in the Miss Earth pageant. Nosheen was crowned the third runner up for the Miss Pakistan World Pageant in 2008.
    Sahil Saeed – is a young boy kidnapped in Pakistan on March 3, 2010

    Dr. Naveed Zaidi – developed the world’s first workable plastic magnet at room temperature

  112. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Are you in 4th grade?This sort of inane nonsense is based on a per-pubscent mentality

  113. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Mr. Bhutto was tried and hanged by the courts–colossal difference. Yu won’t get it!

    If you had the ability to read, you would have read Zulfi by Stanley Wolpert. You will see the reference to Khondakar Mushtaque’s announcement. Also mentioned in MB Munshi’s book “India Doctrine”. I heard it on the radio, saw it on TV and read the newspaper myself. It was on the BBC.

  114. Hijazi · 2 years ago

    @ Vijay – Every time you guys open your mouth a barrage of garbage comes out. Perhaps this is due to extra level of Uric Acid in your blood caused by excessive piss drinking.

    You have Mahabharat – a complete manual of exterminating others, not to forget Gita and other books for your reference. You guys worship “Kali” the so called goddess of destruction and still find Islam as worst religion.

    Buniya always had grudge against muslims Maharaja Jaypal did pre-emptive strike (Cold Start Strategy) against Ghazna Empire and started the war and resulted seventeen attacks, the reason Sultan Mehmood Ghaznavi Rehmatullah destroyed Soumnath because the Raja of that place had wowed to Destroy Afghanistan and then go all the way up to Makkah and Medina and annihilate everything.

    You guys are only good for slavery – beware we are coming back soon, so enjoy your time or whatever is left of it !!!!

  115. Hijazi · 2 years ago

    Yap yap yap —- so you should stop worshiping Phallus, and Rats and stop eating Cow Dungs and other 30 Million other bull crap ….. You guys create your own gods with your own hands and then worship them, what a level of intellect.

    Remember we dragged your Manat equal to 100 powerful Manats (Sau-Manat) all the way to Afghanistan …. the day is coming back again.

  116. Hijazi · 2 years ago

    Side with true god will prevail ….. ohhhh sorry you don’t believe in God — same way you should also not believe in cold because it is absence of heat.

    Your glorious science does not believe in anything which cannot be proved by Touch, Smell, Sense, Taste. Hence proved you have no brains becuase it cannot be scientifically proved. Plus you also donot have a proof that your ancesters actually existed.

    So you are a nobody – with no brains ….

  117. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    You need to think really hard I know it will take time for faithful to think otherwise but give it a try may be you’ll b able to see light in the dark tunnel

  118. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    We have no upanishads or tantric things .know your facts else it is disinformation and propaganda or is this what this site gonna be

  119. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    US presence will be in the form of CIA secret service Afghanistan is definitely permanent base do u know they still have presence in japan Korea …even Vietnam

  120. vijay · 2 years ago

    @akhbar: Your so called obsession with Temple indoctrination is wrong and incorrect. In india,there are no religious schools like Madarassa in pakistan. Neither we send our children to such schools to learn religion.

    If Quaran asks u to kill non-believers, innocent people ithen why TTP is attacking n mosques? How u justify this act of TTP, attacking people in mosque? How islam or quaran allows this?

  121. Imran · 2 years ago

    No religion can ever be enforced, it’s a stupid thing to even believe in such fantasies! There are some 150 million Muslim’s in India living as a minority who are often subjected to discrimination due to their faith. The majority community has had over sixty years to “reconvert” them back to Hinduism yet have failed!

    No Muslim army ever invaded Malaysia, Morocco or Indonesia etc!. Ancient scriptures of Hinduism support the opression of women ie the sati system that is still practised in mainly rural India. Hinduism looks upon women as sexual objects where “devdasis”..Hindu temple prostitutes are for the pleasure of men! Indeed many Hindu “god’s” had multiple wives who worshipped their private parts as “forms of God”. We see nude paintings on almost every temple in India that is celebrated as liberalism….why be surpised when the father of the nation Mahathma Gandhi himself walked around half naked, drank his own piss and slept with his neices thereby putting himself to some sick test!

    Gandhi should have converted to Islam, the holy month of Ramadan would have given him all the opportunity to dicipline himself in all forms without making his poor wife suffer permenantly!!! What do Hindu’s and Jain’s for that matter say about many westerners who convert to Islam????….some prominent names are……

    Muhammad Ali,
    Jermaine Jackson,
    Yvonne Ridley,
    Yusuf Islam,
    Peter Sanders,
    Nicolas Anelka,
    Frank Ribery,
    Kristiane Backer.

    Why do we never hear of anyone especially a celebrity or intellectual embracing Hinduism or Jainism if they are so great!!!? Probably because Hinduism in particular is retarded with ignorant practises where animals are worshipped as “forms of God”. The filthy kumbh mela where million’s wash in the dirty waters of the contaminted “holy Ganges” makes entire humanity bow it’s head in shame!!! Indeed Hinduism is a curse…it’s a cancer that must be eradicated from the conscience of man before any further damage!

    Hindu’s are idolaters…the Holy Prophet(saw) told us that they’re eternal enemies of Islam so we are to expect this attitude from them otherwise they’d prove Islam to be wrong!. They can never be our brothers so put an end to this “Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai” banter instead sing “baghal mein choori gali mein ram ram”. I much prefer the humble Sikh’s and spiritual Buddhists then these animals who are a complete disgrace on the entire universe and civilisation.

  122. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    Vijay,

    Provide me each verse in context prescribing killing, if your going to do the typical Hindu thing and cherry pick then you insensitive two bit for nothing are a slanderer.

    Should you want a debate based on context and definition I am happy to educate you. I will tolerate you backward vedics to a degree but I can not tolerate slander and if that is your intention I too will not be able to hold back on the nonsense that you collectively recognise as Hinduism defined by The British.

    Regarding “enforcing” Islam please explain who forced White caucasian, African American and Latin reverts to Islam all over America north and south. The largest upsurge came post 9 11 and please explain who forced the Europeans to Islam. Also explain how our beloved sister Yvvone Ridley a great ambassador of Islam became Muslim – remember she was held captive by the Taliban. Explain who enforced Islam on that wretched man Tony Blairs sister in law.

    Explain…..

    Islam is spiritual, intellectual and offers the alternative to the man made corrupt ideologies. Vijay you are nothing but a. Itter shallow Hindu desperate to glorify your mythological nonsense of a faith and the only way to do so is to attempt to ridicule Islam. The reality is you Hindus “wish” you were part of a glorious heritage one that influenced mankind. You Vijay represent everything that is wrong with the circus known as Hinduism and represent a radical intolerant force that hopefully will destroy India.

    Now onto Bijon, your challenge has exceeded every boundary of absurdity typical of you Hindus oh sorry your a Jain. You question based on total irrelevance the world of what ifs and uncertainties and expect a practical answer. Ours is a practical faith that has influenced the modern world, ours is a faith offering logical expression in faith not the stuff of Jackanories. Our faith is embraced the world over and even after the negative publicity nothing has removed it from the title “The Fastest Growing Religion In The World”. A religion that organised communities have them freedom, education, embraced art and philosophy made leaps in every science known to man.

    Vijay give me one such verse in the noble Qu’ran Al Furqaan that advocates injustice through violence and read the entire chapter where you find any verse that advocates your accusation. I will happily educate you. I take accusations made against Qu’ran seriously and of the prophet pbuh a gentle soul, a nation builder, a diplomat, a visionary a just and honourable commander and chief of the faithful, a revolutionary, a guiding light, a guide, a teacher. No other man has accomplished single handedly what out beloved Sayyid achieved pbuh. All this greatness from a simple humble soul who seldom raised his voice, never looked anyone in the eye, softly spoken. He exhubes the qualities men seeking greatness could only dream off yet he left this world without a penny to his name, no monument, other than the legacy of the final testament Al Qu’ran Al Furqaan. To be spoken about with absolutely no source or knowledge about him is unacceptable. I am happy to educate you if you have the ability to apply reason and logic but if your intentions are dishonourable then we too have some questions on Hinduism that need addressing. Only out questions are well researched and not taken out of context.

  123. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Temple Indoctrination: It is a virus, a state of mind, a blind-fold, an abominable set of ideas that are drilled into your brain right from childhood. It is the inability to accept the existence of Pakistan. It is the brain tumor that thinks of Pakistan as a temporary phase in the history which considers Pakistna a result of “partition” of the ephemeral and bogus image of Mother India (which has never existed in 5000 years). It is your unique robotic like thought-patters which is labeled as temple-indoctrinated thinking that is so perverse that it does not allow any other idea to seep through. Your temple indoctrination tells you that only your version of events are true and anybody’ else’s interpretation of history is wrong. Diversity of opinion and thought and freedom of expression of the press are the foundations of a democratic society. None of this exists in the Bharati media which is a reflection of Bharati bigotry that is pervasive in its society.

    Most of this stems for Bharat’s 60 year old socialist past where the history of the Indian National Congress was described as the history of the world. No other point of view was accepted in the world’s largest Nehruistocracy. Noam Chomsky finds the Bharati pres not free. That does not come as a surprise to anyone. The Bharati media is incapable of presenting any other point of view –other than the one generated by the temple indoctrinated bots

    I challenge you to send me a POSITIVE article about Pakistan published in any major Bharati journal. If you can find “one” it will be an anomaly. The inabaility to find anything good in Pakistani society is a pathological trauma that cannot be overcome by “Aman Ki Asha” type of nonsense.

    This is the disease that afflicts Bharati socieity–this disease is called “Temple indoctrination”.

    The experiment to create India (aka Bharat) by force is as much a failure as the USSR and Yugoslavia: Bharat was formed using terror against 560 states, and it uses terror to keep them together. The aggressive “Police Action” against Hyderabad, the occupation of Kashmir, the take-over of Sikkim, and the attempted occupation of Tibet are just a few examples of this forced experimentation at country building. It has failed. In fact hundreds of states were coerced and forcibly incorporated into the so called “Indian Union”. At least fifty want nothing to do with Delhi, and Mumbai wants the Hindu Maharashtra Republic and Gujarat wants Ram Raj in the Republic of Gujarat. Bharat will implode like the USSR or explode like Yugoslavia. The shrapnel will be as potent as Bosnia and Kosovo.

  124. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    The US will try—but China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran are opposed to this

  125. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Read your own religion–tantric stuff is part of your religion. This tells us that you are not what you claim to be

  126. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    You do know there are Indians living in Bradford and Leeds or you just never bumped into them.

    The Pakistani community is on par to the Indian community in Leeds Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham and London.
    Further they are in a better economic position then most white caucasian and the greatest entrepreneurs haul from the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community.

    Further it was the British who called it an Indian curry and came up with the various names. This is because the word India was synonymous with the British Empire a region known as the sub continent colonised. You will notice they do not refer to it as Bharati curry.
    The dishes served are influenced by Mughal cuisine and not the putrid dishes served up in the South of India by non Muslims

    You need to be reminded of Lord Ahmed and Lord Hussain also both are of Kashmiri stock championing the Kashmiri cause.

    Amrit did you not come across the illegal Indians inside the UK, who I had to deal with on a daily basis “begging” for work and praying not to be caught and sent back to as one put it the hell hole that is India. All these Indians were impressed at the way they were received by Pakistanis as opposed to the Indians.

  127. subbu · 2 years ago

    That indian author also belongs to one of the shudra castes (although he may have converted to Islam), and he bashes brahmins, but he’s no friend of dalits. Just like Pakistan’s politics and social structures are complicated, India’s is too. Hindus have no immediate danger in India, unless politically suppressed. Since you decided to pick that book to draw castles in the air about ‘post hindu India’, I had to point out some inconsistencies in the idea of the book.

  128. subbu · 2 years ago

    I meant that he doesn’t mention shudra castes subjucation of dalits, which is much worse than brahmins’. He’s being mostly dishonest and delusional.

  129. Abdallah Jan · 2 years ago

    @ vijay: When you accuse Islam in negative way, back it up with a verse of Qura’n and or Hadith. But there is none of the sort which you squealed. That makes you either ignorant or a LIAR.

    Here is some examples of justice and consideration towards people that were under occupation by Muslims.

    When ‘Umar ibn ‘Abdul ‘Aziz came to the office of caliphate, a delegation of men from Samarkand met him and complained that the general of the Islamic armies, Qutaibah, had unjustifiably stationed his army men in the town in their midst.

    ‘Umar ibn ‘Abdul ‘Aziz wrote to the governor of Samarqand that he should appoint a tribunal to judge and settle the dispute between Qutaibah and the people of Samarqand. If the judgement of the tribunal goes against the army chief and his men are asked to vacate they must do so at once. The governor appointed Jami’ ibn Hadhir Albaji as judge for inquiry. After the inquiry was over, he, though himself a Muslim, passed the judgement that the Muslim army must vacate the town. He also remarked that the commander of the Muslim forces ought to have served an ultimatum of war to the city, and according to the Islamic Law relating to war, he ought to have cancelled all the treaties with them so that the people of Samarqand could get time to prepare for the war. “Sudden attack on them without warning was unlawful.”

    When the people of Samarqand witnessed the state of affairs, they were convinced that this was an unparalleled case in the history of mankind… the state keeping its Commander-in-Chief and the armies under such strict discipline and control, bound by lofty moral principles. And consequently they decided that fighting against such a people would be futile. Rather, they came to regard it as mercy and a blessing from God. Therefore they agreed to live with the Islamic army in Samarqand.

    Just imagine. An army conquers a city and enters it. The inhabitants of that city complain to the victorious government and the judges of that government decide the case against the victorious army, and order the deportation, saying that they could not live there without the consent of the people of that city. Can either the ancient or modern history of mankind point out any war in which the fighting men kept themselves so strictly bound by the moral code, and followed such lofty principles of truth and justice, as demonstrated by the sons of our civilization? In so far as my own knowledge is concerned, not one among the nations of the world can be pointed out which demonstrated such lofty morals.

    Compare the above with Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and other places and justify your rhetoric.

    Read Qura’n before you slander.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  130. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    The subtle and not too subtle racism comes out

  131. subbu · 2 years ago

    ok. you win.

  132. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    WHY Paksia is so revered/feared/commented ?
    This brings out the nostalgia of islamic india among muslims; They perhaps see a history interupted by British to repeate in future.Hindu nationalistic comments look at scare of Muslims return to rule again; see a glimps of India’s demise as a hindu nation.
    ONe of your most commented article; 135 comments ?

  133. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    You are right, it does create euphoria among the faithful and paranoiah among the enemies. Why revered? It is part of the basic psyche of Pakistan and the region. The Pakistani nationalists, the ECO lovers, the Maoist pro-Chinese leftists, The Pro-Russian Surkhas, those who are history buffs, The Turanis, the Neo-Ottomans, the religious right, the Hizb e Tahrir, IMU, Al-Qeeda all want the Central Asian Republics to merge. How can anyone fight that feeling? There is a yearning that cannot be denied.

    The funny thing is that this article was republished. If you notice we published it the first time—and you made some important comments which are now part of the article. It is always a popular article! we will publish another version next year—see how many comments we get then.

    Surely the Bharatis get very upset with it–even though it has nothing to do with them.

    The reason behind that is their temple indoctrination–which tell them that Pak (as they call it)–the cant even use the full name, cannot grow. Their mind goes numb and they cannot fathom it.

  134. Bijon shah · 2 years ago

    Proof source ?

  135. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Chaudhry Rehmat Ali

  136. Khalid bin Waleed II · 2 years ago

    Mr. Shah there are 1.8 billion Muslims and only 50 mil Brahmans and 16 million Bani Israel. Wake up.! You will live to see same holy man of Islam rule again in your backyard, coming soon.

  137. vijay · 2 years ago

    @Akhbar: I asked you to justify the act of TTP of attacking mosques. help me understand how Quaran or Islam supports attacking Mosques.

    Below are articles published in India
    http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/pak-prez-to-be-father-to-unknown-parentage-kids_712943.html

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/thanks-to-pak-indian-sailors-gain-freedom_712709.html

    Recent articles published in indian newspaper.

    You might need to read your own newspaper and tell us how many POSITIVE news you see happening in pakistan.

    There are news of bomb blast, suicide blast, militant attacks, mosque attacks in pakistan.

    All sports related news are reported in india regardless of country.

    If india is not accepting your views, then why your pakistanis are coming to india for better future? most pakistani actors,musicians are working in bollywood. I also gave u names of successful muslims in india but can u give me name of Successful Hindu in Pakistan who has made global impact?

    Either there is internal voilence in karachi or militant attacks in FATA, NWFP or blasts in peshawar or islamabad. Do u want all these to be reported.

    There is instability in pakistani govt. Military has been running the country since independance. Pakistan should look inwards n root out the militancy from its soil.

    Every leader of pakistan has used anti-india sentiments n religious extremism to come to power in country.

    Americans are attacking n killing people in ur country. What u doing against them? Neither u puppet govt can stop them nor ur coward army.
    Remember, After Irq, Afghanistan its pakistan for western forces to attack and destroy.

  138. Amrit rao · 2 years ago

    Absolutely right the Indian cuisine is a mughlai cuisine.
    Brits used the name Indian curry , I am not complaining about it, but what I am saying is pakistanis are so afraid to use the word Pakistan in the shops.

    They write Lahore inn – famous indian curry shop, why can’t they say famous Pakistani take away, they do it simply because they want to hide there Pakistani identity

  139. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    clear example of madarassa teachings.with you guys, pakistan is bound to fail.actually i thought muslims excelled in science too….i guess there were more muslim scientists then anywhere in medieval times.

  140. Amrit rao · 2 years ago

    Kashmir was a land of the Hindu bramhin pandits.Land occupied by Arab invaders
    Islam is a religion of the middle east just like chritianity and judaisim.
    Muslims, chritians and Jews fought with each other for 1000 years, this is in sharp contest to the religions of the east (Hinduism,Jainism,Buddhism,Sikhism)who have lived peacefully for centuries ,

    Kashmiri Muslims should leave Kashmir and go and live in Arabia or Persia the country to which there forefathers came from , if they can’t leave peacefully with secular and broadminded Indians.

  141. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    so you give me a source of a muslim guy who knows more about jainism than a jain .?
    its like swami xyz saying islam is a religion of satan.
    bravo…the key to propoganda or disinformation is it should sound true..

  142. Zachary Latif · 2 years ago

    I cross-posted in this link; http://rupeenews.com/?p=63#comment-22183

    but I think its more suitable here.

    Salaam,

    I like the idea of PakAsia

    http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/06/16/bengali-muslims-are-new/#comment-10181

    however I think the right steps is Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Maldives & Pakistan confederating into a Greater Federal Union.

    It would be the precursor to the Ummah..

    Afghanistan is the Gateway to Central Asia, Maldives to the Indian Ocean and Bangladesh to South East Asia while Pakistan is a core state.

  143. Dr khan · 2 years ago

    don’t be so stupid you imbecile, if thats your logic of a breakup, then bharat has a larger geographical area and is massively ethnically divided, the majority of what you mention is geographical rather than dogmatic religious divide, your temple indoctrination has taught you this logic which is alien to us Muslims. We are Muslims first everything else comes later, remember our Empires, one of which kept your folk for 1000 years and give you gifts of language and stitched clothing or is 60 odd years enough to forget? while you dwell on your breakup scenarios 600 million subcontinent Muslims are eyeing India as there prize! oh yes our numbers are just that and in the not so distant future we’ll have you more than panicked!

  144. vijay · 2 years ago

    @Akhbar: The world knows what Islam is. The recent example of burning quaran is well known. I am not interested to defame ur religion, but people like you are root cause of extremism n intolerance prevalent in society today.

    WHat hinduism is beyond your capacity to understand. You are only told n brain washed to see anything other than islam as kafirs.
    You have no respect for other religions. And this hate n extremism in your society is enough to destroy u one day.

  145. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 years ago

    DMR–Dread of muslim return- drives the policy; British too had DMR paranoia;solved it with DURAND line and SIR syed.Indian policy is DMR driven. YOU are right–they cannot see that the pak can merg west wards and can make tremendous stride in education.
    I feel sympathetic to their real religous nationalistic feeling and their DMR real/percieved. OFF course it is regional economics and not a religion behind the paranoa. We are now almost on the same page;GREAT !

  146. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Those who face defeat and retreat in Afghanistan may pull a few stunts, and kill more innocent folks, the destiny is written—cut and run!

    Sorry to bust your bubble–but Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and the fastest growing religion in India, the fastest growing religion in Europe, the fastest growing religion in America—most through conversion (reversion), and three fourth of the reverts are women.

    I know this frustrates you a lot!

    Burning paper means nothing. The Quran lives in the hearts and minds of a billion people–the only book that has been memorized by millions. Children when they reach the age of 14 already know the Quran by heart. The same cannot be said of any other religious book—or any other book in the history of mankind.

    So burn away–we will continue to recite from the heart.

  147. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Thank you Zacharey—see our article on The Maldives.

    Muslim Maldives should accede to Pakistan
    http://rupeenews.com/?p=23471

    South Asia is the past–Central Asia is the future of Pakistan.

    PS: Mr. Omar Ali is getting personal. Kindly remove personal information about authors from your site

  148. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    You sir have been disparaging Islam for weeks–this is your 64th comment under this name and you are not a Muslim.

    You don’t know anything about Jainism

  149. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    You Sir are a victim of “temple indoctrination”.

    Kashmir was a land of monotheistic Buddhism. It was called Abhisahra.

    Brhamanism went into Kashmir and destroyed Buddhism and tried to annihilate it. It survives in Ladakh. Please read Hindu writer Kalhani who describes the ruthlessness with which Brahamnsim decimated Buddhists in Kashmir.

    Read some history sir http://rupeenews.com/?p=34959
    Long before the Crescent and Star flew atop Islamabad, long before Mohammed Bin Qasim invaded Sind, long before the Mughals spread prosperity in all the nooks and corners of the subcontinent, long before the Sikh dynasty got Kashmir from the British, long before the Chundra Gupta Vikramadatya ruled India, the people of Kashmir were tied to the people of Pakistan.

    Prior to Hinduism in the subcontinent, the Kashmir Valley (called Abhasrsa) traded with the Indus Valley Civilisation. In pre-Vedic times the people who lived in the Indus Valley lived in absolute harmony. There is some confusion as to who were the original inhabitants of the subcontinent. Many feel that there was a civilisation BEFORE the Dravidians landed in South Asia. Some have ventured to claim that based on the fact that all of Indias neighbours are Oriental, perhaps the original inhabitants of ancient India were Oriental in ethnic origin. The Dravidians either defeated the original peoples of India or totally assimilated with them. The Dravidians came to the subcontinent and made it their home. This is known: The Dravidians were not Hindu, the Dravidians preceded the Hindu era in the Subcontinent. The peaceful Dravidians were an enlightened and cultured peoples and they formed the Indus Valley Civilisation.

    The Kashmir valley was mostly inhabited by many people that included sun worshippers, Zorastarians, and Buddhists. Kashmir became an important centre of Brahman learning. Brahaman art, literature and philosophy flourished unhindered, on the backs of the untouchables, and the lower caste Hindus. After the 8th century the clear and loud message of Islam was heard in the Valley. It was the Sufis who carried the message of Mohamamd to Kashmir. The caste system of the Hindus, the Brahman cruelty, and the practices of Sati, and human sacrifices were fertile grounds for Islam in Kashmir. Slowly but surely, people converted to the message that accorded the Untouchables INSTANT equality among the Muslim brotherhood.

    From 1326 to 1819, Muslims improved the lot of the Kashmiris and ruled the Kashmir valley with compassion and honour. The Mughals not only ruled Kashmir, they also brought it art, culture, music, paintings, and architecture that the people had never seen. Wherever the Moghuls lived they brought life with them. The Shalimar Gardens and the Mosques built in the Valley are a testament to the affluence of India in the 16th century. Jahangir was the wealthiest man on the planet and he spent his money to create luxury for his people. Kashmir benefited too. Hindu temples built in the sixteenth century were subsidised, and today they remain in the valley.

    Hindus thrived in the Valley. The forefathers of the Nehrus lived and prospered in Kashmir during the Muslim rule. During the regimes of chaos during the Afghan rule (1752-1819) many Muslims lost their lives due to Patel persecution.

    Kashmir was sold to the Sikhs following the defeat of Sikhs at the hands of the British in 1846, Gulab Singh, the cruel and dim-witted Dogra ruler of Jammu, acquired Kashmir from the British and ruthlessly tired to rule the state of Jammu & Kashmir.

    The period of the Dogra rulers was the darkest in the history of the state. Gulab Singh was a ruthless ruler. He ruled by edict only, the edict of the Kirpan. Thus Jammu & Kashmir became a Princely State and remained so till 1947 until India occupied it.

    Read what Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru says about the destruction of Buddhism by Brahman hordes in Kashmir.

    Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says Skandagupta, the fifth of the Gupta line had to face this Hun invasion…gradually they spread all over Gandhara and the greater part of Northern India. THEY TORTURED THE BUDDHISTS AND COMMITTED ALL MANNER OF FRIGHTFULNESS….There must have been continuous warfare against them, but the Guptas could not drive them away. Fresh waves of Huns came

    HINDU SAVAGERY

    Jawaharlal Nehru says the following about the Hindu Huns …Torman installed himself king . He was bad enough, but after him came his son Miharagula, who was an unmitigated savage and fiendishly cruel. Kalhana in his history of Kashmir–the Rajatrangini–tells us that one of his Miharagulas amusements was to have elephants thrown over the great precipices into the valley below.

    The treatment of men was sometimes worse then that of animals (some of the animals like cows were actually revered because they were Gods). Lower caste Hindus had a miserable life. Other historians have commented that the treatment of women was even worse, specially women of lower castes, they were considered the property of the upper caste Hindus, to be molested and/or raped at will. In many cases the new bride had to stay a night with the village Brahman before she was married off. Kashmir converted to Islam during this time period. It was cruelty like this that led to the whole sale conversion to Islam. The new religion offered them equality and saved them from the Brahmans.

    Nehru continues, Soon however the Hun power weakened in India… the Huns have been defeated and driven back, but many remain in odd corners. The Great Gupta dynasty fades away after Balditya.

    The next great event for Kashmir was the birth of Harshavardhana (606-647 AD). There are references to Harshas expeditions to Kashmir. According to the Chinese traveller Hiuen Tsang Kashmir was an independent state at the time. Harshas ancestors were sun worshippers, however he himself was attracted towards the Mahayana form of Buddhism. The Brahmans were very displeased with him and even conspired to kill him. Harsha spent time and money on arts and literature, and drama, and was probably the last great Buddhist emperor of India.

    THE RAJPUT HINDU ERA IN INDIA

    The death of Harsha ushered in an era of anarchy again. The Rajputs were the invaders this time. This era is called the Rajput era. According to Tod The Rajputs were the descendants of Sakas,Huns, Ushans, Gujaaras etc.

    According to Rajatarangini of Kalhana which forms the chief source of our history on Kashmir, Duralabhavardhana founded a new royal dynasty in Kashmir about the middle of the 7th century. Lalitaditya ascended the throne in 724 AD and he conquered large areas of India and brought it under Kashmiri rule. After him (750 AD) the power of Kashmir receded.

    Jiyapida, the grandson of Lalitaditya tried to revive the reputation of the Karkota dynasty. The Karkota dynasty in Kashmir was replaced by the Utpala dynasty about the middle of the 9th century. The Rajputs were true Hindus and patronised Hindu religion and culture in all of India.

  150. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Either you live in a bubble, or you dont’ have any information about anything.

    The whole world knows where LAHORE is. If they wanted to hide anything they would have called it Delhi House. Your logic is inane and faulty

    There are plenty of Pakistan restaurants in England. A google search yiled 6,330,000 results.

    http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=pakistani+restaurents+in+Britian&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=opera&hs=cBa&rls=en&channel=suggest&source=hp&q=pakistani+restaurants+in+england&aq=0lv&aqi=g-lv1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c2a1d14778acbfc4&biw=1566&bih=760

    A search on “Lahore inn restaurant england” yielded 1,660,000 results

    The top search said Lahore Kebab House London – Pakistani Restaurant Review. Lahore Kabab House lists itself as a Pakistani restaurant.

    Actually there is no “Lahore Inn”. It yileded zero results

    Top Rated Pakistani Restaurants, Leeds
    http://uk.nomao.com/leeds/eating/restaurant,pakistani.html

    Its also marketing you dumb person. They want to grab the grand-chldren of those who served in “India”–

    Technically they are right–Lahore is the heart of the Indus Valley

    We also have Indian reservations in Oklahoma—-it doesn’t say from Delhi!

    You guys named your country on a river that flows in Pakistan. You should call yourself Ganghia (from land of Ganges) or Bhanghai (from Bharat).

  151. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Not sure what you are saying here—Bharati newspapers are full of Anit-Pakistanism, and never publish any positive story about Pakistan. Pakistani newspapers are full of positive and negative stories.

    The fact that Pakistani artists go to Bollywood is proof that they are not bigoted. Why don’t Indian actors come and work for Pakistani dramas. They are bigoted

    Did you have the ability to read Michael Sheuer? See what he says about the future of Afghanistan

  152. Zachary Latif · 2 years ago

    Salaam I very rarely moderate; I hope you and Mr. Omar Ali resolve all issues & find common ground to improve and work for the better future of the people of Pakistan & Asia.

  153. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    WAS:

    We are all moderates here on this site.

    I have nothing personal against him. He is the most hated Abdalian out there.

    We have nothing in common. He is secular and wants Pakistan to amalgamated with India. I am a Pakistani patriot. He hates everything that is Pakistan and I love everything that is Pakistani.

    You can visit our site, and find a plethora of comments.

    Kindly remove my personal information from his comments–.I want it listed as “Editor Rupee News”. I would appreciate it. Thanks

  154. bijon shah · 2 years ago

    have u ever been to maldives ,its the most beautiful place on earth the beaches the water the sea life,please dont pollute it with suicide bombers.

  155. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Kashmir is a beautiful Buddhist valley, the monotheistic Indus Valley was the most civilized place on the planet–when Arjun and his followers brought the Bharata wars and the Kora panda wars to the entire area–according to your scripture it killed 330 million people.

    Lanka was a paradise til the Hindu Tamil LTTE brought their suicide bombers supported by RAW and Delhi.

    Tibet was a nice place till Bharati terrorists destroyed it

    Assam and the seven sisters were good places to live till Nehru’s gendarmes brought occupation to it

    Hyderabad was the richest place on the planet till Patel’s “Police Action” took it over and threw it into penury

    Junagarh Manvadar, Bhopal, and UP were rich areas when they were run by Muslims–and you guys destroyed them

  156. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=23471
    Muslim Maldives should accede to Pakistan

  157. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Even the name of your country Bharat means WAR

  158. imran · 2 years ago

    101pakistanis.com is a great site that showcases British-Pakistani talent!

  159. ObjectiveReader · 2 years ago

    Please see the book:

    “Divide Pakistan to Eliminate Terrorism” by Syed Jamaluddin, a Pakistani Muslim. The book gives the right picture for the future of Pakistan.

  160. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    On his blog he looks like an Indian to me–an an ugly one at that.

    He has written 59 so called sorry excuses for “articles”, and only 4 in 2011.

    I am sure there is a lot of credibility to this blog.

    Here is the clincher–his audio book doesn’t work!!!

    You sir have lost all credibility on this site. Time to change your name again.

  161. ObjectiveReader · 2 years ago

    The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is already a failed state.
    “More Islam” will surely lead to an even brighter “brighter” future !

  162. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Nothing intellectual about these flame baits. You can contineu the mantra which stems from your “temple indoctrination”

    Bharat is a failed state: Bharat is a failed state with 40% of the landmass under the control of the Naxals, the seven sisters of Assam almost independent with no central control, Kashmir in open and 75% of the population living under $2 per day. Bharat has dropped precipitously in the Prosperity Index in the past few years. The Seven Sister states of Assam want complete independence and the Center has little control over them. Maharashtra wants its own religious laws. Gujarat openly defies secularism. Kashmir is total rebellion. The Naxals, mainly made up of Dalits want to rule Delhi and have promised to conquer it in a decade. Their land is called “no-man’s land”. Arundhoti Roy in a recent article went there, and the security forces referred to it as “Pakistan”–where security forces dare not go.
    Aid to Shining India: The Bharati economy equals the economy of the Benelux countries.. India is one of the largest recipient of aid in the world. Bharat is the largest recipient of aid from the UK (500 million Pound Sterling per annum). Japan is Bharat’s biggest aid donor. Bharat is one of the largest debtor nations on the planet with debt totally $250 Billion to $3 Trillion (public and private debt). Bharat has had a growth rate of 3%–derisively called the Hindu growth rate for fifty of the past sixty years—the last decade being an anomaly (rising tide lifts all boats).
    http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2010/07/20/india-could-use-pakistans-infrastructure/
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/14/poverty-india-africa-

  163. Anshuman · 2 years ago

    And now read

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/20/for-pakistan-time-to-try-india-as-a-friend.html

    Its Your news paper and supposed to be the voice of your own people.

    R

  164. Akhbar Navees · 2 years ago

    Not really–there are 80 TV news channels in Pakistan and hundreds of newspapers—Pakisan has a free press

    We don’t subscribe to an opinion published in dawn. Who cares?

  165. stranger · 2 years ago

    all i can say is u guys are sick and even allah cant help u…

    better do something abt a country which is in tatters and and in pain rather than critizing others..

    first be a normal humans and thn try to be muslims…

    plz dont spoil the name of such awesome religion.

  166. alansaralhaq · 2 years ago

    We are sick and your spineless HIndu cohorts are undoubtedly honourable.

    Dont start worrying about Pakistan – its time will come. I love my fellow Pakistanis but pity the fool who believes in the tricolor but lacks the spectre of homeless, hungry destitute on your streets. Lacks the opression suffered under India that did not begin with 911 but began in 1948 with the borth of the greatest nehruostracy.

  167. aftab · one year ago

    I believe all you people who are so anti Hindu and pro pakistani must come to India and see that much more Muslims are living in India than Pakistan and that too in a much better way. Please stop this extreme fundamendalistic approach. This has ruined Pakistan. Pakistan is nothing but part of a great nation called Bharat. existence of pakistan is only of 50years, and we all have seen how much successful is pakistan. if Mr Jinnah could come back he would cry and feel ashamed of what he has done. There is only one way pakistani can be saved that is merger with Bharat, but god knows what will happen to Bharat then. Dont mind but this is the reality which both Pakistanis and indian must understand and should start dialogue for their merger.

  168. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    South Asia is Pakistan’s past–Central, North and West Asia is the future.

    This is reality–live with it

  169. amrit rao · one year ago

    this is an ISI propaganda.
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  170. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    If you had the abilty to read or the gumption ot understand history–PakAsia is the vision of Chaudhry Rehmat Ali and the founders of Pakistan. “Pakistan” was named after the other “Tans” of Central Asia…the future of PakAsia

  171. Waqqas · one year ago

    Then you are a RAW bum sniffer.

  172. amrit rao · one year ago

    PakAsia is the vision of Chaudhry Rehmat Ali and the founders of Pakistan – [] idea .

    What was the fate of Chaudhury Rehmat Ali ?

    He was kicked out of his great country Pakistan , and where did he die ? in London.

    Pakistan will become a part of Afghanistan , baluchistan a part of Iran .the rest will be history

    If you want your comments published, please use proper language

  173. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Amrit Rao, or whatever your name is this week. Everything Pakistani is bad for you. That is part and parcel of your temple indoctrination. Simply shows your frustration at the rising power in the East.

    Then an now, its not just Ali, it was also many political parties and Iqbal. Iqbal said it best “mashriq seh ubhartay huway suraj ko dekh”.

    If his idea was so bad, how come there are millions of Muslims in the ECO states that are struggling for it. Gandhi was assassinated and killed by his own people too, Bose a great freedom fighter was killed by Nehru and Gandhi, so was Martin Luther and many other great leaders.

    The fact that Rehmat Ali’s vision inspires millions around the world is a testament to his greatness.

    He will continue to inspire generations. The original visionaries of the European Union were also ridiculed and berated. The fact that a very large spectrum of Muslim society wants this–guarantees that it will happen. From the militants, to the intelligentsia, to the students, to the scholars, to the youth and to the political parties–all want PakAsia under different names like ECO etc. Erdogan, and Ahmedinijad are all Pan-Turkists. After the US withdrawal of its forces, the next step is the inevitable union of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then the emphasis on the economic union of the Central Asia Republics combined with the political union in the next decade or so. There is no stopping this vision from coming into being.

    Now you can go back to spamming this site under different names.

  174. alansaralhaq · one year ago

    Pak Asia or greater Iran or greater Afghanistan or greater Pakistan or greater Uzbekistan or greater Tajikistan that is kool with me.

    Our beloved Rasul Allah (SAW) has already prophesised the unity of Central Asian states, you can call it whatever we call it Khorasan.

    Their unity is linked to another hadith Ghazwa tul Hind and liberation of Al Quds.

    What’s in a name we Muslims are one the world over

  175. amrit rao · one year ago

    if i write true facts , editors says ” flame baits” or “if you want your comments published use proper language”

    what was the fate of Chaudhury Rehmat Ali ? please can you tell me.

    islamic ummah ?

    who was responsible for the chaos in Iraq ?
    who conspired against Saddam first ?
    no it was not US. It was ayatollah khomeini responsible for the Iran and Iraq war to start with, it was Kuwait who drilled oil from Iraq and this led to the war, no one ever talks about this.

    Islamic ummah is a non sense.
    this is 21st century one will have to integrate with each other in order to survive.
    dont spread the message of religion.

    RELIGION AND ASSOCIATED FANATISISM , AND POLITICAL POWER PLAY ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE HUMAN CIVILISATION.
    try to integrate with each other and spread the message of peace.

  176. Akhbar Navees · one year ago

    Chuadhry Rehmat Ali lives in the hearts and minds of millions. His vision is the driving force behind the ECO. His description of Pakistan in his book “Now or Never” inspires millions. A large spectrum of society in Pakistan, and neighboring countries are galvanized by the efforts to unify the “tans”. This is the future of Central Asia. South Asia is the past.

    The US invasion was responsible for the chaos in Iraq.
    Bharat was very friednly with Iraq. Kuwait is an artificial entity created by a colonial power which was withdrawing the region. The border dispute was inevitable. Kuwait was like Hong Kong.

    What is nonsense and what is not, is not up to you to dictate. The European Union came into existence because the Europeans wanted to live together. The Muslims of the world want to live together and integrate. We dont want to trade or integrate with Bharat. Get that loud and clear.

    Now you can go back to spamming our site under fake names.

  177. alansaralhaq · one year ago

    Amrit,

    Economists and think tanks already have made the prediction of the rise of a new modern Ottoman Empire which as you put it will be an “integrated” union of powerful Islamic nations and blocks in control of their resources and internal politics.

    The Ottoman Model still exists on many levels calls the United States of America and the EU.

    Remember at the heart of Indian political, military and civil institutes is a Hindu drive and stance so what nonsense so you write.

    The Islamic Maghrib linked to the lower Nile (Sudan) and Somalia to Middle East Turkiye and the Islamic Northern Crescent of Khorasan can once again become a huge trading and economic block.

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  179. Reddy pln · 7 months ago

    Dear Brothers both from India and Pakistan You all seem to be highly educated and well informed of the facts of History. But please realize that more than 50% of our brothern are below poverty line and the socalled freedom has not brought any thing to them owing purely to corruption of Politicians, beaurocrats, Landlords and corporates of our two countries who have plundered our wealth and stashed away in countries and swiss. Pl apply ur wisdom and knowledge to improve the lot of our people be they are Musalmans or Hindus or of any other caste/religion. The poorest of the poor have gained either becase of Gandhi or Jinnah. Pl thnk in terms of doing some good to them. Wher Islam or any other religion be a matter of spiritual interest and feel good for each other. with best regards to all of you. pln

  180. sameer_hindustani · 6 months ago

    i’m stunned to see such colossal..HISTORIC REVISIONISM…bbangistan..osmanistan????…go these **** are delusional people..hahahaha..whenever i need some entertainment..i watch vidoes of Zaid hamid or read **** columns which are anti india/hindu…rofl..from which planet is this chaudhary rehmat ali..or the writer of this article..haha..besides chaudharies were Gujjars in india..Hindu jats forcibly converted to muslims..and there was no such a thing as Dinia..India has benevolent rules such as akbar.., rajputs and marathas..the sount india had Hindu kings..such as Rajendra chola….Ancient India was ruled by ASOKA..a hindu emperor who ruled whole of the indian sub continent from Afghanistan to burma and from kashmir to Kanyakumari ..300 bc to 153 bc india was ruled by buddhist and hindu kings/emperors..the Turkic and iranian kings invaded india much later..needless to say..most of these punks were evil and had an anti hindu propaganda..forcefull converting hindus to islam..But in India’s history..only one mughal king is revered as a tolerant.Jalauddin Mohammad AKBAR..under whose regin india flourished..Hindus ..Muslims lived in harmony….Why do u pakis indulge in demographic aggression..why do u wanna convert hindus into muslims.. why can’t Hinduism and Islam lvie in peace and harmony??..Why do u guys have to cheat ur younger generation with fairy tales and anti india propaganda..u guys are helbent in destroying future of ur own country..don’t tempt us.. don’t try our patience..pakis are hated even in the middle east..mend ur ways..u can’t handle balochistan..Sindh..Khyber Pakhtunwa and u wanna rule the entire continent.. how laughable is that???

  181. sameer_hindustani · 6 months ago

    i’m stunned to see such colossal..HISTORIC REVISIONISM…bbangistan..osmanistan????…go these pakis are delusional people..hahahaha..whenever i need some entertainment..i watch vidoes of Zaid hamid or read paki columns which are anti india/hindu…rofl..from which planet is this chaudhary rehmat ali..or the writer of this article..haha..besides chaudharies were Gujjars in india..Hindu jats forcibly converted to muslims..and there was no such a thing as Dinia..India has benevolent rules such as akbar.., rajputs and marathas..the sount india had Hindu kings..such as Rajendra chola….Ancient India was ruled by ASOKA..a hindu emperor who ruled whole of the indian sub continent from Afghanistan to burma and from kashmir to Kanyakumari ..300 bc to 153 bc india was ruled by buddhist and hindu kings/emperors..the Turkic and iranian kings invaded india much later..needless to say..most of these punks were evil and had an anti hindu propaganda..forcefull converting hindus to islam..But in India’s history..only one mughal king is revered as a tolerant.Jalauddin Mohammad AKBAR..under whose reign india flourished..Hindus ..Muslims lived in harmony….Why do u pakis indulge in demographic aggression..why do u wanna convert hindus into muslims.. why can’t Hinduism and Islam lvie in peace and harmony??..Why do u guys have to cheat ur younger generation with fairy tales and anti india propaganda..u guys are helbent in destroying future of ur own country..don’t tempt us.. don’t try our patience..pakis are hated even in the middle east..mend ur ways..u can’t handle balochistan..Sindh..Khyber Pakhtunwa and u wanna rule the entire continent.. how laughable is that???

  182. vinipoonawala · 6 months ago

    This site has far stretched Nostalgic euphoria.
    Gobels (Natzi) in hell might have been pleased that his work is carried by you people.
    But there is no cry on your psychological war fair technique.
    But I really advice you to read some editorial of The Dawn Newspaper or something of that caliber in Pakistan.
    1. Almost 45 percent of children don’t go to school
    2. Majority of Population does not have clean drinking water.
    3. Corruption in high offices of Pakistan is urgent problem which need at most attention.
    4. India has old Macaulay type ( bit old fashioned but scientific and secular ) education system.
    But Pakistan has Madrasa type education system .
    5. Plagiarism : you are digging 50,s and 60,s social problem and pasting it into 21 st century

  183. Akhbar Navees · 6 months ago

    vina–please read statistics about Bharat. 70% of the world’s poor in Bharat where 70% of the poplation lives under $2 per day

  184. Akhbar Navees · 6 months ago

    So it is obvious that you have never read history and never read Chaudhry Rehmat Ali’s publications which have been around since the 1940s.

    Asoka never existed, he is a figment of the imagination of Lord James Princep and Pandit Randhakantta. No contemporary Bharati or Greek writer ever mentioned him, not even those who lived in his town.

    Pakistan is the successor state to the Indus Valley Civilization. Bharat has nothing to do with the IVC. the IVC did not know horses, buried their dead, did not write or speak Sanskrit, ate beef, wrote right to left, did not worship any of the Hindu pantheon (Ganesh, Arjun, Sira, Ram, Arjun).

    The Ganges Valley did not exist till much later on

    You are looking down at your keyboard. Muslims ruled South Asia for a thousand years. If you want look up–go out and look up–see the minarets and the domes, and it will remind you that you were ruled for a thousand years.

    40% of Bharat is in the hands of the Naxalbaris, Kashmir wants out, Assam and the seven sisters are literally independent–and you think “India” exists!!!

  185. proud hindu · 6 months ago

    I read the article and the comments and lol’d at them, seriously, pakasia? Well, I’d suggest you first make your country worth living and then try to steal others, which is your greatest hobby, and what islam teaches you(anyone who isn’t a muslim should be converted to one, non muslims will burn in hell and muslims will get 72 virgins in their afterlife) and yeah, for the PakiFags, i have a suprise for you, check these out- http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.se/islam

    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.se/offended

  186. Akhbar Navees · 6 months ago

    Your islamaophobia is reflected in what you read.

    We are not bound by your temple indoctrination to read garbage from those hate filled web sites.

    Bharatis have jumped on the Islampphobic bandwagon with glee. Its amazing how they dump 10% of their population

  187. proud hindu · 6 months ago

    lol, look who’s talking about hate filled websites. And for your info, most students in India, whether they’re hindu or muslim or christian, study in well maintained schools, unlike in Pak where the mullahs in the madarsas teach about hating anyone who isn’t a muslim.

  188. Akhbar Navees · 6 months ago

    Hmmm. A temple indoctronated “proud Hindu”–what a surprise.

    Bharati perceptions of Pakistan may not be accurate.

    Tell me something–70% of the world’s poor reside in the heaven called Bahrat and half of Delhi, Bombay, Benaras, Lucknow, Kolkota etc sleep on the sidewalk. What type of proper schools do these millions who live, procreate, sleep on and die on the sidewalk go to

  189. Nagendra · 5 months ago

    Al-Qaeda, not India, preparing to destroy Pakistan. Failing states such as Iraq, Somalia and Yemen were already becoming comparable with Pakistan and Afghanistan, but now Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and many African states with Muslim communities are also becoming vulnerable.

  190. Akhbar Navees · 5 months ago

    Hello Raj: Time to change names again!!!

    OK!

    It is ironic that the US and NATO support Al-Qaeda to defeat Pro-Assad and Pro-Qaddafi forces

  191. Alansaralhaq · 5 months ago

    Nagendra:

    Every morning when we Kashmiris visit the toilet we compare that to India…

    Rather die a Muslim defending our land, faith and honour in Iraq, Egypt, Syria and Pakistan than a filthy son of the ganges plains who is insignificant as the rock from under which he/she crawled out from.

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  193. Anthony Pereira · 4 months ago

    Pakistani ultra-nationalist morons can only dream on about India being returned to Islamic rule as it was during the Mughals. It will never happen. Your country has lost three wars to India, and is an epic failure in every aspect, be it militarily, economically, socially, or even morally. India is pretty bad as well, but at least we are progressing at a rapid pace. We uplift our poor out of poverty at the rate of one percent a year. Pakistan, on the other hand, is only sinking deeper into chaos and poverty. You guys realize this, and this makes you even more fundamentalist. Losers! LOL.

    @ Akhbar Navees: It’s not just the Hindus who hate Islam. Most Indians do, be they Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, or Christian like me. Heck, the whole world hates Islam for obvious reasons. It’s a backward intolerant supremacist ideology. This article and the behaviour of Muslims in general are testament to that. It is seen worldwide as third rate and inferior. As for Pakistan being better than India, one only has to read the 2012 Human Development Report for this. India – 134; Pakistan – 145. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!

    @ Alansaralhaq: If India is a toilet, then Kashmir is the comode where we flush down our wastes. LOL. It’s not the place of brainless madrassa educated smelly neanderthals like you to tell my fellow brothers of the Ganges plains who they are.

  194. Akhbar Navees · 4 months ago

    >>Your country has lost three wars to India

    So if Pakistan lost all three wars, where did Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir come from? Opps we just burst the temple indoctrinated bubble! Didn’t Bharat get its butt kicked in 1962 by China? Didn’t Bharat lose Khem Karan to Pakistani troops in 1965? Wasn’t Bahrat using terrorism when it sent 80,000 terrorists into East Pakistan to exacerbate a civil war? in 1971? Wasn’t Bharat and the Rakhi Bahni kicked out of Bangladesh on August 14th, 1975? Wasnt Bharat unable to cross the Pakistani borders in 2002, 2008 and 2010 and of course o 26/11–except for all the huffing and puffing.

  195. Waqqas · 4 months ago

    Anthony Pereira

    Your comments are very amusing and based on ignorance. I will not touch on Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist hatred of Islam, but just Christianity as you claim to be Christian.

    Why Christians hate Islam?

    Muslims ridicule your nonsensical PAGAN faith that is invented by Saul of Tarsus aka Apostle Paul which is directly opposite to the Faith that Jesus on whom be peace professed. In other words, Jesus (pbuh) followed the LAW of Moses (pbuh) and DID NOT BRING NEW LAW, while Paul trashed the LAW of MOSES that Jesus followed.

    Matthew 5:17-20

    New International Version (NIV)
    The Fulfillment of the Law

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Verse # 17 clearly states that He DID NOT come to abolish the LAW of the Prophets, but to follow or fulfill the LAW of Moses and Prophets. And the LAW is the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

    Verse # 18 is a warning to all the Jews and Christians.

    Verse # 19 is also warning to those who change the LAW as Paul did and will not be called in the Kingdom of Heaven. And glad tiding to those who follow the LAW (most of the Muslims) that will be called in the Kingdom of Heaven. As Muslims are the only people on the face of the Earth that says, ” My LORD I hear THEE and follow THEE “.

    Verse # 20 is advise to JEWS to not follow the Pharisees and Teachers but to surpass them in virtues and good deeds.

    Why did Saul of Tarsus abrogated the LAW?

    Saul of Tarsus (Paul) lost his love. Popea daughter of High Priest of Temple in Jerusalem was promised to him, but instead she landed in the bed of Emperor Nero.

    Judaism like Christianity is a man made religion. Moses (pbuh) never called his people as Jews or Judaist. He called them by ‘O people of Israel’. Israel being name given to Prophet Jacob (pbuh) 2nd son of Prophet Isaac (pbuh) and not territory. Likewise Jesus (pbuh) never called his people as Christians, but called them ‘Helpers’ in way of Allah. He did not preach new religion, for he himself followed the Law of Moses (pbuh).

    He never asked the Helpers to preach to non-Jews. He said ‘go not the way of Gentiles, but to the house of lost sheep of Israel’. So what happened that Jews rejected Jesus? The Jews were expecting two (2) Messiahs. One priestly, and other, with Law in one hand and, sword in other, to defeat the Romans and free Jews from Captivity.

    When the Rabbis and Pharisee asked him, ‘are you the Messiah?’ Jesus replied in the negative because he knew they are asking for kingly Messiah or ‘The Prophet’ or ‘That Prophet’ that will enforce the law of GOD.. Upon hearing the reply, they asked, ‘Pray tell us master, if you are not ‘The Messiah’ from what tribe he’d come?’ Jesus replied; “If I tell, you would not believe me, but verily the Praise Worthy (Muhammad) would come from the tribe of Ishmael”.

    The Jews started rebuking and pelting Jesus and accused him of false prophet, since to them, every Prophet has to come from tribe of Isaac. The Essenes, Nazerenes, Maccabees, Pithon and Afghana tribes (Helpers) at once came to Jesus rescue and pushed back the angry Jewish crowd. The above tribes (Helpers) later migrated to Khorasan after Jesus ascension, rather to live in captivity and named their new home as ‘Afghanistan’.

    Saul of Tarsus aka apostle Paul (The founder of trinity version of Christianity) hated the Helpers and did his utmost to persecute the early followers. He was very loyal to chief Rabbi of the Temple. They thought unless the Jews adapted the puritanical Judaism, they would never be able build the Empire the likes of Solomon Empire ruled by an Israelite Prophet, which they lost due to rebellious nature of Jews.

    They classified Jesus and his followers as rebellious. But when the Chief Rabbi daughter Popea, who was promised to Paul, ended up in Nero’s bed, he made a U turn and concocted a new religion by mixing some Torah and lots of Ancient Mystery Egyptian Pagan Religion that became the Modern Christianity. His target was the Mediterranean people, who had no objection in replacing their god-head Zeus with the god-head of Jesus provided the Sabbath is changed to Sunday.

    This new doctrine called Jews as Christ Killers.
    Rabbi daughter a learned Jewess, now queen, put Nero against the Pauline Christianity. Nero burned his City and blamed it on Christians. Later on when Constantine took hold of Christianity, he took his wrath on Jews. So Paul was instrumental in putting Jews against Christians and vice verse. Until Islam took hold of Palestine and brought peace in the region.

    Why did Jesus say to not follow the Pharisees and the Teachers?

    Jews had to assimilate with Romans to prosper financially. Thereby they compromised the puritanical form of Judaism and assimilated some of Pagan belief in its system hence the term ‘Hellenization’. The Romans took Zeus as their god that in turn was plagiarized from the god-head of Osiris of Ancient Egyptian Pagan religion (3000 B.C.). Where all these mythical god-heads (Osiris/Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, Zeus, Bacchus, Mithras, Krishna, and Aztec to name few), had similar bibliography, as that of, Jesus of Mystery (MODERN CHRISTIANITY). They were all born on 25th Dec. of Virgin birth. Died on cross, buried for three days and arose from the dead to ascend to heaven. Their returned is expected to save humankind. They all walked on water, fed thousands of people with a loaf of bread, healed sick and blind and turned water into wine. They all called him son of god and by some as god himself in flesh. They all believed he died for the sins of mankind, and who so ever believe would be saved from Hell.

    There was a mass migration after Jesus ascension towards every direction including the subcontinent, as is evident among Pashtun tribes and elsewhere. This is the reason Disciple of Jesus ‘Anthony’ migrated to teach to the ‘house of lost sheep of Israel’.

    Conclusion:

    Muslims ridicule all the nonsense about Plurality (polytheism) of Divine Being. They affirm ONE GOD only as per all the Prophets and Muhammad (pbuh). There is none worthy of worship but ONE GOD. This affirmation is confronting your Pagan belief and poses a Challenge to your Faith. Thus, you and other Polytheist who are loosing ground, as 65,000 non-Muslims revert to Islam on daily basis, despite all the negative mass media propaganda, hate Islam.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  196. Waqqas · 4 months ago

    CORRECTION:

    ‘This is the reason Disciple of Jesus ‘Anthony’ migrated to teach to the ‘house of lost sheep of Israel’. Is an error.

    The disciple that migrated to sub-continent was ‘St. Thomas’.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  197. Alansaralhhaq · 4 months ago

    Anthony,

    Yet anothe pseudonymn come on you surely can do better than this.
    You evolved from a sub bacterium under a rock along the Ganges and you forever will be acellular.

    Kashmir is janat, ther is no comparison to it in Your India.

    Your dirty black faced aboriginal brethren only dirty the purity and beauty of Kashmir.

    Your an inferior people, you quoted the HDR 2012, what is India’s excuse considering Pakistan is in the midst of a war.

    You are the bi-product of everything discarded, history discards you because you Hindus have no RECORDED history but live by mythology, Geography discards you because pre-1947 you were incapable of running a unified nation, ethnicity discards you as you glorify the people of a certain ethnicity hailing from what you term North India – namely those who were part of The Indus.

    We Muslims globally live without an empire for a mere 2hundred years. In the history of mankind you people remain insignificant but tools, loyal foot soldiers, a proxy.

    We are the Indus, we were part of every great Islamic Empire and the Last was The Mughal Empire. Our civilisation is known and laid bare before the world, our achievements and contributions to the modern world recorded in history while you were once our chappal.

    You talk of the commode but as a Christian who should be impartial fail to appreciate the beauty and grace of Kashmir and compare it to the dirty water of The Ganges.

    The Ganges is a real life Commode where you Hindus urinate and abthe out off, and you treat as a commode yet you bathe and drink from it.

    Dont be comparison dirt water with the purity and grace of the Himalayas.

    You are filth and we were the very people who influenced your existence and history recognises you Hindus were influenced from your West and North to the extent we told your women to cover up and showed you what to wear other wise you would still be swinging from the trees.. backward pygmies.

    Dont compare to a Civilisation that influenced mankind IVC its modern name is Pakistan. The religion today is Islam and Islam too has influenced the world over and shall continue to.

  198. Akhbar Navees · 3 months ago

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  199. Venus · 3 months ago

    Some guys here are just busy in barking against Hindus for more than a year. What a pathetic mind abused ones, either they don’t live in Pakistan or are blind. They advocating Islam too. But they not yet realized that Islam means animalism ,Muslims are the most unproductive useless creatures in the entire world? They are worst than a pig in a live stock. What the contribution of Muslims? See the latest PTMT shocking report, Muslims with a big 1.6 billion population produces just half of technology patents that of India. You are a bunch of most brainless unintelligent savages, better at nothing than killing and torturing innocent Kaffirs. Jews with just 8 million produced patents 7 times more than these brainless Muhamedans. Look, they proudly say their prophet was illiterate, and these imbeciles is working proof of that claim, 1.6 billion Muslims or 1.6 billion Muhammeds. These brainless pagan worshipers are even less productive to world than a moth in a tree. Atleast moths helps in plant reproduction, what these Saudi fealting Arab valets given to this world other than bomb blasts in markes, trains, temples, mosques? And these guys are very proud of their brethrens for not using brains even like a kid yet they fight each other, kill and torture minorities, kill Ahmadiya sufis shias in their so called holy lands.
    And the surprise is, these Muhammeds in Pak even don’t realize how the whole world recognise them, that is the utmost level of retardency.
    Saudi, Turkey, Japs, Afgan, Bangladesh hates them so much than hell. Their so called friend China tired of this terror spawning Arab slaves.
    These Madrassa masters think that Pakistan’s history start with Islam, everything they have is given by Islam. They should first look at Indonesian Muslims, they are very proud of their Hindu ancestory, they associate themself with their hindu forefather’s heritage. And they have no problem in that. But look at these nuclear Islamic hell hole, they deny their Hindu ancestory and their heritage, instead associate themselves with Arab culture in which they hadn’t any links before 10 AD.
    Come out from delusion Pakis and Muslims.

    “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody. They deceive the Arabs under the guise of Islamic nuclear power, saying that they are defending Islam and Islamic countries. They milk America and Europe in the alliance against terrorism, and they have been deceiving Pakistani and other Muslims around the world in the name of Kashmir jihad. But behind the curtain, they have been betraying everyone. Their Islam and their jihad were to destroy their neighbouring Islamic country together with the infidels. They handed over their airports to the Americans so they could kill Muslims and destroy an Islamic country. Their loyalty to the Arabs is so great that they sold diplomats, journalists and mujahideen for dollars. Like animals. God knows whether they will ever use their nuclear bombs to defend Muslims and Islam. They might use their weapons- as they have used everything else- against Muslims ” Mullah Zaeef

  200. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Venus

    Fire erupted and Lava coming out from the Volcano-us mouth of Pagan Roman goddess of love and beauty aka Venus.

    Why not, because she is not Roman but 330 million nonsense god worshiper and a cow pee cola drinker Hindu. Indoctrinated by Temple LIES that believe Sun is pulled by seven horses around the static earth and sky is held by a Bull on its two horn.

    And she asks what has Islam contributed to the world?

    If she had read the unbiased history and not Bharati concocted TV spawned history, she would know the massive contribution of Muslims in uplifting the world in sciences and technology.

    Perhaps she should visit the Libraries in London and Washington to know the contribution.

    Kumba Mela reflects as animal-ism where by poor innocent Hindu girls get raped.

    Islam is derived from Salaam, which means peace. But due to stupid temple indoctrination she miss-translated the word. Typical Kafir and typical Hindu behavior. Always alters, changes, adds, subtracts as required to suit their purpose as they have done to their own Holy Scriptures that instructs them to worship ONE GOD ONLY.

    Stop insulting Roman Pantheon and have a nice hot lava and become a red devi, instead of kali devi.

    Even then I would say Assalamu-Elekum

  201. Venus · 3 months ago

    Waqqas

    Cow pee cola drinker? That shows his level of ignorance. He would have never ridiculed on this if he had taken trouble to read his Hadiths first. It is not at all a concern to him if his prophet prescribed holy camel piss to drink under bad circumstances of life, but he much concerned abt our cows, what a hipocrisy.

    “Temple Indoctrination” That’s a joke. Either he should shut up if he doesn’t know anything abt Hindu philosophy. He is the guy who believes in a book which doctrines mud setting sun, and 7th sky picnic of prophet by means of a Monkey!

    First of all, he should explain to us what he meant by ‘unbiased history’. Is that a history with tag ‘made by pak madrassa’? I am an Indian, i know better than him abt British made Indian history. This is just a delirious rambling of a typical madrassa graduate.

    Then he asks me to visit British and US libraries to know Islamic contribution. So Islamic contributions are dumped as waste in western libraries? Kudos to them for bearing such nonsense that no one needs. So far these guys managed to not have proper libraries to dump their works, western help needed even in the case of a library. So much of contribution

    Islam means peace. I don’t agree, Islam means not peace but submission, submitting your virginity to a unseen thing without questioning.
    Koran indoctrination is the main reason of this high population of muslims. They are indoctrinated bias and prejudice of mullahas even at an age they don’t understand what is a father, what is a God etc. Yet they are being taught Islam is the only truth, Allah is the only God etc. This level of mind abusement leads to complete blindness of their conscience, and they starts to show animal instincts when religion comes in the picture, they completely forgets to live in this real world rather live dreaming for a unending life in a fantasy brothel called jannat. Illiteracy, oppression of women and minorities, slavery, child sex, polygamy, are the born traits of Muslims.
    Ps:I am not a women. So address me with ‘he’ next time

  202. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Venus

    Still spouting hot lava from her mouth. Sorry Roman Venus is a She.

    >Camel urine;Cow Urinemud setting sun;7th sky picnic of prophet by means of a Monkey! i know better than him abt British made Indian history. madrassa graduatewestern help needed even in the case of a librarysubmitting your virginity to a unseen thing without questioninghigh population of muslims what is a father, what is a God etc blindness of their conscience fantasy brothel called jannat Illiteracy, oppression of women and minorities, slavery, child sex polygamy <

    Majority of Muslim men has one wife. Though, if reason arises, they could have up to four. Only Sheiks in Arabia and others in Europe and Americas has more than one woman. The western men boast of sleeping with hundreds of women.

    The Prophets had multiple wives. Abraham 4. Jacob 4. David 99. Salomon 1000. Final Messenger 13. And guess who had 16016 wives?…That would be Krishna. I am sure you know who Krishna is. May ALLAH'S peace be on all of them.

    Your turn for more hot LAVA.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  203. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Akhbar

    Please delete the above comment of Dec 6 at 7:53 PM. It is incomplete. The comment I posted was 7 pages. I would appreciate it.

    I will try again to post the correct one.

    Assalmu-Elekum

  204. Akhbar Navees · 3 months ago

    Maybe you can post half a page at a time! 7 pages makes it an article!

  205. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Venus

    Still spouting hot lava from her mouth. Sorry Roman Venus is a She.

    >Camel urine ;Cow Urinemud setting sun ;7th sky picnic of prophet by means of a Monkey! i know better than him about British made Indian history. madrassa graduatewestern help needed even in the case of a librarysubmitting your virginity to a unseen thing without questioninghigh population of Muslims what is a father, what is a God etc blindness of their conscience fantasy brothel called jannat Illiteracy, oppression of women and minorities, slavery, child sex polygamy <

    Majority of Muslim men has one wife. Though, if reason arises, they could have up to four under certain criteria. Only Sheiks in Arabia and others in Europe and Americas has more than one woman. The western men boast of sleeping with hundreds of women.

    The Prophets had multiple wives. Abraham 4. Jacob 4. David 99. Salomon 1000. Final Messenger 13. And guess who had 16016 wives?…That would be Krishna. I am sure you know who Krishna is. May ALLAH'S peace be on all of them. Ameen.

    Conclusion: You are looking at mirror and you see yourself and your own guilty soul but as a usual habit throw the same perversion on Muslims for cannibalistic agenda. Nice try….

    Your turn for more hot LAVA.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  206. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Akhbar

    Same thing happened again. I got your message late. Delete the second one too. Thanks.

    I will not try again.

    Assalmu-Elekum

  207. Venus · 3 months ago

    Is there a man here to dealt with? I’m not interested to beat drum for some burqa repressed she-male rantings. God, may some man reply to me not a she male that babbles ‘Lava’ every time.
    Alhamdulillah !!

  208. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Venus

    I had posted a 7 or 8 pages rebuttal to your Blasphemy that was messed up by Akhbar to make me look bad.

    What Akhbar do not know is that it does not effect me at all. By messing up my rebuttal Akhbar has made itself look bad as he/she is now accomplice with you for posting the Blasphemy.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  209. Amardeep SIngh · 3 months ago

    Waqqas:

    We respect your opinions and value your comments. You are loyal and long time reader. We enjoy your comments look forward to your deep insight and knowledge.

    We searched for your missing article too. Unfortunately we have no record of it. Maybe our spam filters caught it and then proceeded to delete all spam. Did you keep a copy or did you forget to hit the send button?

    We do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

    Please understand that — we would be willing to publish you 8 paged comment as an article. We have done in the past and will continue to do this in the future.

    Once again thank you for your patronage.

  210. Alansaralhaq · 3 months ago

    Venus, Raj, Amrit – tom dick and harry,

    Islam’s achievements are recorded in history through every page of that history book. Islam as a promoter of philosophy, promoter of science, medicine, architecture, art, langauge, welfare and other istitutes.

    You bacterium of the Ganges plains have nothing RECORDED & VERIFIED beyond your myths and live by a spurious history concocted by The British.

    You were “our” dependents not visa vi, you became “the dependents” of The British not visa vi and today you continue to live the legacy of The British and serve the interest of “that” history.

    As of 2014 The Afghanistan War ends and with the retreating Americans so will end the American sponsored marketing of a “shining India”.

    I guarantee you will not excel but balance will once again be restored and we will await your fragmentation.

    Remember all the kings horses and men could not put humpty together again and that will be the case of a fragemented, broken, shattered India decades to come.

    Pakistan has been broken, bombed, isolated decade after decade but we are a true nation, with a historic background living in the strategic cross roads heirs to the IVC and Mighty Mughal Empire – we have shown you Han’ud that we are a united and tenacious people.

    We reclaimed our lands, liberated and its been a mere 64 years and in each decade we have faced threat and ovecome our achievement does not start 64 years ago but since the dawn of mankind.

    Had it nt been for us you people would still be swinging through the jungles across the dirty filthy Ganges Plains with your women folk right behind you baring all.

  211. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Amardeep SIngh

    >”We respect your opinions and value your comments”<

    If so why didn't you delete the above two comments when I requested you to do so; as it was messed up by Akhbar and its not my full response to Hindu Venus?

    I had tackled Venus Blasphemy line by line with scientific and scriptural evidences. As up to now, you still not have deleted the messed up response.

    I care not if you make it into an article. That is your prerogative not mine. When I rebut a comment, I have read what is not written and writers mind all thanks to ALLAH SUBHANA-WA-TA'ALAH. All commentators has to do is write a Paragraph and I with the Help of ALLAH will tell what is his back ground and who his friends are, all Praise to ALLAH.

    When I cant figure out ones background, I provoke him / her to open up.

    What you printed thus far from me was nothing but pure information so at-least cultural Muslims may benefit. I have yet not given you or any other websites my good articles that lay buried in my head.

    At times my comment might upset readers including Akhbar. They can rebut me. Al-Hamdu-Lillah I already know whats response is coming my way and have already formatted counter rebuttal in advance.

    Again please delete the above two comments that I had requested you earlier. Then I will post my 8 page response to Blasphemy posted by Hindu Venus.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  212. Venus · 3 months ago

    They time and again corroborated my previous statement that majority of Muslims are just carbon copy of that 7th century illiterate. Muhammed was such a ignorant that he thought there are no world beyond pagan Arabia or had no clue. And these guys here just sounds like him, ego centric with much self indulgance, frogs in well.

    Oh yeah, Neolithic peoples once visited Pakistan so you are heirs to them too, oh yeah even palelithic settler’s, or even Dinosures once roared and lived there, you can also claim their heritage. On top of that, Saudis too can claim the inheritance and heirship to the Pagans of pre Islamic Arabia?

    “you continue to live the legacy of of The British and serve” Neither me or say Indians do what he said. This is what we can expect from Pakis that mixed with both dragon blood and wahabi blood?
    I am quite aware about Pak madrassa’s anti India study classes. And he seems to be a sad weak product of that mega hit industry, sorry about that. Never mind, go and attend some more classes and try to hate India and Hindus oh sorry the whole kaffirs more harshly. Innovate madrassas into more appealing institutions so that you can pawn more Arab puppets and be loyal to Arabs ever.

    These guy’s replies are absolutely dump as dump as the various articles in this site. And they are supposed to be the authors of those articles too as it is evident in comment of ‘Amardeep’, not much surprising. To be honest, their thoughts are highly effected with extreme inferiority complex. That is apparent in their every single article on India. Their main problem is that they think they are closeted in the international scenario, no one recognise them. So they are craving for getting their own voice heard on every corner of earth. Because of why they keep harping on and on the same Indus Valley heirship stories and some delusional pakasia, pakurope and something which the world never heard of. They need their own history to be accepted by world, by that way they thinks of getting a suitable position in world. May be some Kasmiri separists are running this site and yes as we all know they are fighting for recognition. Added with some Paki masala(madrassa) flavour these guys seems to be exremely happy in their own little world. Let them enjoy in their fantasies.

    Conclusion: Along with inferiority complex they are also effected with Stockholm syndrome.

  213. Akhbar Navees · 3 months ago

    Typical Indian though patterns. Should be published as as article title “Why Indians hate Pakistan”

    >>no world beyond pagan Arabia or had no clue

    If they didn’t know the geography — how come — during the same time period the Muslim Empire extended from Morocco to Indonesia. They charted all the maps!

    So the rest of the rhetoric is just as nonsensical!

  214. Amardeep Singh · 3 months ago

    Waqqas:

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    4) Lets move on!

  215. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Venus

    Still spouting hot lava from her mouth. Sorry Roman Venus is a She.

    >Camel urine ;Cow Urinemud setting sun ;7th sky picnic of prophet by means of a Monkey! i know better than him about British made Indian history. madrassa graduatewestern help needed even in the case of a librarysubmitting your virginity to a unseen thing without questioninghigh population of Muslims what is a father, what is a God etc blindness of their conscience fantasy brothel called jannat Illiteracy, oppression of women and minorities, slavery, child sex polygamy <

    Majority of Muslim men has one wife. Though, if reason arises, they could have up to four under certain criteria. Only Sheiks in Arabia and others in Europe and Americas has more than one woman. The western men boast of sleeping with hundreds of women.

    The Prophets had multiple wives. Abraham 4. Jacob 4. David 99. Salomon 1000. Final Messenger 13. And guess who had 16016 wives?…That would be Krishna. I am sure you know who Krishna is. Seeing all the Hindu gods indulging in manifold multiple partners, you are crying about Polygamy, when Islam says ONE is better. May ALLAH'S peace be on all of the Prophets. Ameen.

    Your turn for more hot LAVA.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  216. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Amardeep Singh

    I did not ask for apology. I did ask to remove the partial reply to Venus which you did not.

    Again I tried the third time with same result.

    Now I am asking you to remove all the three partial responses. It seems that either mine or your computer is hacked.

    Please do me a favor and remove all the three responses I made to Hindu Venus. I’ll appreciate it.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  217. Akhbar Navees · 3 months ago

    >>Camel urine

    Can you clarify the accusation he continues to make!

  218. Waqqas · 3 months ago

    Akhbar Navees

    Very nice of you to ask me clarification. I did post a 9 page response to Venus that got messed up the third time. How can I respond to your request when it gets messed up into partial response.

    I requested you to delete the three messed up response. You did not.
    No thank you, I will not respond again.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  219. Akhbar Navees · 3 months ago

    Waqqas:

    Not sure what you want

    I found two or three of your comments in spam and already approved them. You can see them–but you will have to dig through a lot of comments. I did find one long one too.

    We are not paid administrators. We have a large workload. We have all tried to explain that we cannot do all these admin things due to lack or resources.

    Really not sure how to accommodate your unique requests? No one in the past decade has ever asked us to delete a comment buried in the archives.

    Your “large” response was lost–we have repeatedly explained that your large response was lost. Now you expect me to dig up about 500 comments, find yours and then do something to them? Those comments are now buried in the thousands of others. Sorry, I dont have the time for this effort.

    We get thousands of visitors. We get hundreds of comments. We sift, sort and delete the bad one, and sort out the spam and bad others.

    Not sure what you want –but your requests are not understood.

    We have tried to accommodate you. Dont know what else to do.

  220. Ahmed · 2 months ago

    My friends from across the border.I will not indulge in this usual and fruitless debate regarding Hinduism and Islam,guided solely by the HOLIER THAN THOU attitude(for that matter,I am an Indian and then a Muslim).All I would say is that India’s best interests lay in a safe,secure and stable Pakistan.You have people who hate India and we too have people who hate Pakistan.Unfortunately,it is these people who have risen to power in your land.

    We never started Kargil,we had accepted Siachen as no man’s land and we were too tired to battle you after losing out to China.Nothing needs to be elaborated on how many innocents have been killed by terrorists born and bred on your soil.I know,I know,you will retaliate by citing killings in Kashmir,the Samjhauta blasts etc.But then,I have a simple question.Our men killed your innocent people and then your men from across the border come and kill our people,motivated by revenge(the sequence is vice-versa,actually).How does that make you better than us?Us who are the lowly,racist,inferior thieves and murderers in your eyes.Kashmir is certainly a bone of contention between us.But that apart,we don’t want even an inch of your land.If India were of an expansionist mentality then perhaps Bollywood movies would have been shot in LAHORE today.This is something from the Wikipedia (I MEAN….GIVEN THE AFFINITY YOU RESERVE FOR FACTS)
    ” The Battle of Lahore (Urdu: ????? ?? ?????, Hindi: ????? ?? ????? L?haur k? la?.??) or the Lahore Front were a series of battles in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 fought in around Lahore. The battle ended with an Indian tactical victory. However Indian forces stopped their assault on Lahore once they had reached outskirts of the city having captured Burki.The rationale for this was that a ceasefire was to be signed soon, and had India captured Lahore it would likely have been returned in ceasefire negotiations.”
    Insha-allah,you will not write off Wikipedia as a biased,Western web site.If you are the one pointing finger,make sure that you have an open mind and sound knowledge of the fact that four of your own fingers point inwards.Talking of ‘INDIA AS A NATION ON THE BRINK OF DISINTEGRATION’,you are probably right when you say that we have a lot of serious internal problems to deal with.Naxalites,north-east extremists etc.We will talk them into agreement and live like the one nation,we are meant to.Meanwhile,I will pray that you also manage to come at good terms with your disappointed Baluchi brothers and the Taliban who trains 12 year olds to tote AK-47s and shoots unarmed little girls through their heads.Still,I would say,that it is quite easy to reckon that which country has managed to to keep it’s integrity fool-proof.I mean,didn’t your eastern brothers break away from you in the 70s?Ah,I see….must be a GRAND INDIAN CONSPIRACY!!I wonder,when it isn’t!

    Now talking of Democracy,World peace and Pakistan.Ahem,ahem……developed a little itch in my throat.Sorry!If I am not wrong and if all goes well,next year,Pakistan will see any DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT complete it’s term for the first time since independence.And talking of peace and your commitment to fight terrorism,Bin Laden was cosy in his pad right under the army’s nose and Islamabad’s backyard until your nightmarish white villains came with their helicopters.

    Sorry for all the meant sarcasm above.I just couldn’t help it,with the sarcastic atmosphere I encountered here.NO,I wouldn’t say that PAKISTAN IS A FAILED NATION.Not with all the dictators and the terrorism laden political history behind you.Yours is a great nation and I respect the people there.I respect you all.Considering all the lofty dreams that you are fantasizing….Pakasia,Pakstralia,Pakeurope (what about Pakantarctica….too cold to settle there?)I couldn’t resist the Indian in me and tried to search for a square inch of soil where my lowly nation could thrive amongst all things PAK.

    As an Indian,I will not shy away from the mistakes we made.Riots,poverty,pathetic state of woman in rural areas.Yet,we cherish our achievements too.And most importantly,WE ARE NOT A NATION OF ANY ONE RELIGION.Not long ago,we had a Muslim President,a Sikh Prime Minister and the leader of the ruling party who owes her origins to Roman Catholics.Quite proud of that.

    So my request to you is…stop being a hypocritic.If Pak was bombed and broken,it was all bloody your fault.God,you accuse us of being arrogant,snobbish and always ready to blame others.Look whose whining here!!!You allowed bandits to govern your nation.They have fed on your support by spoon feeding you things anti-India.

    And finally,if all of you here(BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS)have least respect for that simple and basic value of TOLERANCE,that every religion teaches,be it Prophet Muhammad,Jesus or Krishna,then stop this buffoonery and learn to respect and be tolerant of each other’s presence.

  221. Ahmed · 2 months ago

    My friends from across the border.I will not indulge in this usual and fruitless debate regarding Hinduism and Islam,guided solely by the HOLIER THAN THOU attitude(for that matter,I am an Indian and then a Muslim).All I would say is that India’s best interests lay in a safe,secure and stable Pakistan.You have people who hate India and we too have people who hate Pakistan.Unfortunately,it is these people who have risen to power in your land.

    We never started Kargil,we had accepted Siachen as no man’s land and we were too tired to battle you after losing out to China.Nothing needs to be elaborated on how many innocents have been killed by terrorists born and bred on your soil.I know,I know,you will retaliate by citing killings in Kashmir,the Samjhauta blasts etc.But then,I have a simple question.Our men killed your innocent people and then your men from across the border come and kill our people,motivated by revenge(the sequence is vice-versa,actually).How does that make you better than us?Us who are the lowly,racist,inferior thieves and murderers in your eyes.Kashmir is certainly a bone of contention between us.But that apart,we don’t want even an inch of your land.If India were of an expansionist mentality then perhaps Bollywood movies would have been shot in LAHORE today.This is something from the Wikipedia (I MEAN….GIVEN THE AFFINITY YOU RESERVE FOR FACTS)
    ” The Battle of Lahore (Urdu: ????? ?? ?????, Hindi: ????? ?? ????? L?haur k? la?.??) or the Lahore Front were a series of battles in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 fought in around Lahore. The battle ended with an Indian tactical victory. However Indian forces stopped their assault on Lahore once they had reached outskirts of the city having captured Burki.The rationale for this was that a ceasefire was to be signed soon, and had India captured Lahore it would likely have been returned in ceasefire negotiations.”
    Insha-allah,you will not write off Wikipedia as a biased,Western web site.If you are the one pointing finger,make sure that you have an open mind and sound knowledge of the fact that four of your own fingers point inwards.Talking of ‘INDIA AS A NATION ON THE BRINK OF DISINTEGRATION’,you are probably right when you say that we have a lot of serious internal problems to deal with.Naxalites,north-east extremists etc.We will talk them into agreement and live like the one nation,we are meant to.Meanwhile,I will pray that you also manage to come at good terms with your disappointed Baluchi brothers and the Taliban who trains 12 year olds to tote AK-47s and shoots unarmed little girls through their heads.Still,I would say,that it is quite easy to reckon that which country has managed to to keep it’s integrity fool-proof.I mean,didn’t your eastern brothers break away from you in the 70s?Ah,I see….must be a GRAND INDIAN CONSPIRACY!!I wonder,when it isn’t!

    Now talking of Democracy,World peace and Pakistan.Ahem,ahem……developed a little itch in my throat.Sorry!If I am not wrong and if all goes well,next year,Pakistan will see any DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT complete it’s term for the first time since independence.And talking of peace and your commitment to fight terrorism,Bin Laden was cosy in his pad right under the army’s nose and Islamabad’s backyard until your nightmarish white villains came with their helicopters.

    Sorry for all the meant sarcasm above.I just couldn’t help it,with the sarcastic atmosphere I encountered here.NO,I wouldn’t say that PAKISTAN IS A FAILED NATION.Not with all the dictators and the terrorism laden political history behind you.Yours is a great nation and I respect the people there.I respect you all.Considering all the lofty dreams that you are fantasizing….Pakasia,Pakstralia,Pakeurope (what about Pakantarctica….too cold to settle there?)I couldn’t resist the Indian in me and tried to search for a square inch of soil where my lowly nation could thrive amongst all things PAK.

    As an Indian,I will not shy away from the mistakes we made.Riots,poverty,pathetic state of woman in rural areas.Yet,we cherish our achievements too.And most importantly,WE ARE NOT A NATION OF ANY ONE RELIGION.Not long ago,we had a Muslim President,a Sikh Prime Minister and the leader of the ruling party who owes her origins to Roman Catholics.Quite proud of that.

    So my request to you is…stop being a hypocritic.If Pak was bombed and broken,it was all bloody your fault.God,you accuse us of being arrogant,snobbish and always ready to blame others.Look whose whining here!!!You allowed bandits to govern your nation.They have fed on your support by spoon feeding you things anti-India.

    And finally,if all of you here(BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS)have least respect for that simple and basic value of TOLERANCE,that every religion teaches,be it Prophet Muhammad,Jesus or Krishna,then stop this buffoonery and learn to respect and be tolerant of each other’s presence.

  222. Ahmed · 2 months ago

    My friends from across the border.I will not indulge in this usual and fruitless debate regarding Hinduism and Islam,guided solely by the HOLIER THAN THOU attitude(for that matter,I am an Indian and then a Muslim).All I would say is that India’s best interests lay in a safe,secure and stable Pakistan.You have people who hate India and we too have people who hate Pakistan.Unfortunately,it is these people who have risen to power in your land.

    We never started Kargil,we had accepted Siachen as no man’s land and we were too tired to battle you after losing out to China.Nothing needs to be elaborated on how many innocents have been killed by terrorists born and bred on your soil.I know,I know,you will retaliate by citing killings in Kashmir,the Samjhauta blasts etc.But then,I have a simple question.Our men killed your innocent people and then your men from across the border come and kill our people,motivated by revenge(the sequence is vice-versa,actually).How does that make you better than us?Us who are the lowly,racist,inferior thieves and murderers in your eyes.Kashmir is certainly a bone of contention between us.But that apart,we don’t want even an inch of your land.If India were of an expansionist mentality then perhaps Bollywood movies would have been shot in LAHORE today.This is something from the Wikipedia (I MEAN….GIVEN THE AFFINITY YOU RESERVE FOR FACTS)
    ” The Battle of Lahore (Urdu: ????? ?? ?????, Hindi: ????? ?? ????? L?haur k? la?.??) or the Lahore Front were a series of battles in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 fought in around Lahore. The battle ended with an Indian tactical victory. However Indian forces stopped their assault on Lahore once they had reached outskirts of the city having captured Burki.The rationale for this was that a ceasefire was to be signed soon, and had India captured Lahore it would likely have been returned in ceasefire negotiations.”
    Insha-allah,you will not write off Wikipedia as a biased,Western web site.If you are the one pointing finger,make sure that you have an open mind and sound knowledge of the fact that four of your own fingers point inwards.Talking of ‘INDIA AS A NATION ON THE BRINK OF DISINTEGRATION’,you are probably right when you say that we have a lot of serious internal problems to deal with.Naxalites,north-east extremists etc.We will talk them into agreement and live like the one nation,we are meant to.Meanwhile,I will pray that you also manage to come at good terms with your disappointed Baluchi brothers and the Taliban who trains 12 year olds to tote AK-47s and shoots unarmed little girls through their heads.Still,I would say,that it is quite easy to reckon that which country has managed to to keep it’s integrity fool-proof.I mean,didn’t your eastern brothers break away from you in the 70s?Ah,I see….must be a GRAND INDIAN CONSPIRACY!!I wonder,when it isn’t!

    Now talking of Democracy,World peace and Pakistan.Ahem,ahem……developed a little itch in my throat.Sorry!If I am not wrong and if all goes well,next year,Pakistan will see any DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT complete it’s term for the first time since independence.And talking of peace and your commitment to fight terrorism,Bin Laden was cosy in his pad right under the army’s nose and Islamabad’s backyard until your nightmarish white villains came with their helicopters.

    Sorry for all the meant sarcasm above.I just couldn’t help it,with the sarcastic atmosphere I encountered here.NO,I wouldn’t say that PAKISTAN IS A FAILED NATION.Not with all the dictators and the terrorism laden political history behind you.Yours is a great nation and I respect the people there.I respect you all.Considering all the lofty dreams that you are fantasizing….Pakasia,Pakstralia,Pakeurope (what about Pakantarctica….too cold to settle there?)I couldn’t resist the Indian in me and tried to search for a square inch of soil where my lowly nation could thrive amongst all things PAK.

    As an Indian,I will not shy away from the mistakes we made.Riots,poverty,pathetic state of woman in rural areas.Yet,we cherish our achievements too.And most importantly,WE ARE NOT A NATION OF ANY ONE RELIGION.Not long ago,we had a Muslim President,a Sikh Prime Minister and the leader of the ruling party who owes her origins to Roman Catholics.Quite proud of that.

    So my request to you is…stop being a hypocritic.If Pak was bombed and broken,it was all bloody your fault.God,you accuse us of being arrogant,snobbish and always ready to blame others.Look whose whining here!!!You allowed bandits to govern your nation.They have fed on your support by spoon feeding you things anti-India.

    And finally,if all of you here(BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS)have least respect for that simple and basic value of TOLERANCE,that every religion teaches,be it Prophet Muhammad,Jesus or Krishna,then stop this buffoonery and learn to respect and be tolerant of each other’s presence.

  223. Rajesh Gindwani · 2 months ago

    I came upon this thread after a post by Amardeep, no doubt a Muslim pretending to be a Sikh.
    My response will be on the misconceptions of Hinduism and Pakistan, but not on Islam as I refrain from commenting on other faiths.
    Re Lord Krishna’s wives : while He had many wives, mr Baqwas failed to mention that He also had many friends and mothers. Those wives, mothers and cowherd friends were all great souls who requested relationship with the Lord before their ultimate liberation, which was granted by our merciful Lord. These souls have waited for a very long time for this Avatara of the Lord. Devki, Lord Krishna’s biological mother, is the highest of these souls, and this was her third and final birth as the Avatar’s mother.

    Re Kali: Kali and Durga are both manifestations of the Lord according to our deeds. The sinful ones will be punished by Kali Maa and the pious rewarded by maa Durga. But Hindusim doesn’t believe in eternal condemnation nor eternal happiness. Both pain and pleasure are temporary, and merger with the Lord is one’s ultimate goal.
    I was impressed with Bijon Shah’s wisdom : we as finite beings with finite number of sins made over a finite period of time, how can we be punished for infinity ? Is this fair ? This has not been able to answer by the Muslim posters here.
    Re : temple indoctrination : we Hindus do not have religious schools, so pls tell how do we get “indoctrined” ? We do not have madrasahs. God is something personal, not a subject to be taught in schools hence we don’t have Hindu religious schools. You may stop repeating things that do not exist otherwise make fools of yourselves.

    Re : HDR 2012, India despite having a larger population, still manages to have better HDR rating than Pakistan. Baqwas makes an excuse saying that Pakistan is in a war. What war ? LOL
    Read this from your own country’s website http://www.pakistantoyour day.com.pk/2011/11/04/news/national/pakistan-among-most-poor-countries-per-undp-human-development-report/
    “Pakistan is among the largest group of multi-dimensionally poor countries in the world, according to the Human development Report 2011 of the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).
    Among the low human development countries, Pakistan is at number 145, whereas Bhutan, Sri Lanka, India and China are among the medium development countries.”
    Do you see where your pathetic country stands among other South Asian states ? See the words LOW for you and MEDIUM for us ? Does your schools teach you the meanings of LOW and MEDIUM ? Does the website makes an excuse about war? What does all this tell you ? Or you’ll make another reason ? FOOL !

    This has been my response for Hindusim and Pakistan. As for non Hindu religions, my friend Sneha will give response. At least by posting together on the same article on different issues , you ll guys will be convinced we are two diff individuals. But if you are not convinced then we don’t care either.

    Lastly just as the world waits for the possible ” apocalypse” on 20th Dec, we are faced by a possible website “apocalypse” when Waqqas’ 8 page baqwas will be found and posted :) Baqwas reminds me of another poster Abdallah Jan, who used to wail and weep over such gliches. Could they be the same loosers ?

  224. suv · 2 months ago

    Such a long article. But it fails to mention one critical detail. Paksitan’s founders : Liaqat Ali Khan and Jinnah themselves considered these plans purely impractical. Rehmat Ali was heartbroken by what he got, even Jinnah said he got a “moth-eaten” Pakistan but he accepted that this is the best he could do under the circumstances. When Remat Ali criticized founders too much, his property was seized and he was sent packing to England penniless where he is still buried. It will be better for Pakistan to hold on whatever territory it has.It has already lost lost half of it due to right wingers like you

  225. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    Quail e Azam accepted the moniker “Pakistan” and hence the philosophy!

    PakAsia = Palistan = ECO

  226. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    PakAsia has nothing to do with Bharat

  227. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    Here it is again “temple indoctrinated” stories that have little to do with reality.

    Afpak was Mahmud’s sojourn, Babur’s relaity, Humayun’s empire Akbar’s domain, Iqbal’s dream, carried on by the next generation, ALi’s vision, led by Jinnah and Liaqat. What the standard Bharati propaganda doled out to the ignorant and the bigoted –doesn’t seem to catch, was the fact that the geographical entity in the Indus Valley has existed as a separate unit for five thousand years. Call it Meluhalla, IVC or Pakistan, it is the same thing.

    ECO: Jinnah in various interviews talked about the geographic reality of Pakistan. Chaudhry Rehmat Ali has inspired an entire generation. Liaqat Ali Khan was to announce the Aghan-Pakistan Union, minutes before he was shot down by an assassin’s bullet. The beginning was RCD, which later became the ECO. AfPak was recognized by the Americans –and all others are recognizing the future. That is why Bharat doesn’t want to get involved, and that is why it is containing itself to arts and craft Peace Corp activities. Pakistan will lead this area, and this is what irks those who are bigoted and cannot fathom the future. This article is representative of the yearnings of all the Tans, from the militants, to the poets, to the intellectuals, to the elite to the masses.

    On August 14th, 1947, the IVC was resurrected, as Pakistan, no to remain as part of South Asia –but to join the other TANs of Central and West Asia.

    The smart Bharatis get it. Too bad our site is saddled with those who don’t and cannot.

    Pakistanis want nothing to do with the Subcontinent. The future of Pakistan is PakAsia!

  228. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    Amardeep

  229. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    Raj writing as “Ahmed”.

    Shows dishonesty and nothing else.

    Rally couldn’t understand most of it –seemed like “temple indoctrinated” gobbledygook.

    Same old same old.

    Pakistan is at par in almost every human endeavor with Bharat. For a couple of things, in which Bharat is better, it is only slightly better –but not consistently better. Pakistan of course was way behind in 1947 and caught up in the next four decades while Bharat languished at what is derisively called the Hindu Growth rate of 2.2%. Despite the anomaly of a good growth of the past decade, Bharat has been unable to pull folks out of penury and improve the HDI statistics. Depite all the issues, Pakistan doubled its GPD in the past fifteen years, and is now on track to its traditional 5%-7% growth rate.

    Your notions of clichés are as hollow as Nehru’s dreams “they will come back begging to join us within 30 days”. His letters document this grand fallacies, now carried on by the temple indoctrinated out there.

  230. Waqqas · 2 months ago

    Rajesh Gindwani

    It seems you have missed me and Abdallah Jan. Thank you. I miss Abdallah Jan too.

    16016 wives of Krishna was mentioned in response to Venus aka Raj aka Ahmed snorting about non-exist (almost) polygamy in Islam. By no way I was d-generating your Rishi or Prophet. We as Muslims do not accept or reject him.

    Multiple wives?….surely possible.
    Multiple friends?..surely possible.
    Multiple mothers?..absolutely impossible.
    Multiple fathers?..absolutely impossible.

    Krishna had no biological father as per your scriptures mythology.
    So did Osiris as per the Mythology of old.
    And Dionysus, Odin, Zeus, Mithra, Bacchus, Aztec and many others. These mythical figures has same bibliography. Who is plagiarizing these mythical personalities is not an easy task to figure out.

    The only Lady who is most elevated is the Mother of Jesus (peace be upon both) and certainly not Devki. If Devki is the most elevated soul, then one could easily say, so is the mothers of Osiris, Odin, Zeus, Mithra, Bacchus, Aztec to name a few.

    Muslims recognize Jesus (as) as born without the male intervention and others are just Myths and not factual.

    Kali punishing sinful?…..Fairy tales to scare the children.
    Durga rewarding the pious?…..Ask this 18 hand lady to avoid hell fire first.

    The above mythical personalizes has absolutely no powers of Divine. Its ALLAH ALONE WHO shall reward or punish.

    Bijon Shah’s wisdom

    Ask the RAT (Bijon Shah) to explain to Hindus the Durga Mumta who loves every child as her own and yet allows them to be punished by Kali. Ask the RAT what happens to Durgas unending love of children when the devotees murder / kill 1 million female babies at or after birth annually.

    Madrasahs is an Arabic word translated as School or University in English. The oldest of them is in Morocco and then Al-Azhar in Egypt. Teaching of Qura’n is a must. It is Qura’n that instructs the pupil to get knowledge or Ilm. Therefore the word Alumni comes from Arabic word Ilm. So does the word Illuminati. Jews also names their schools likewise in Hebrew. Its your nightmare I understand. As it will break hold of greedy and powerful that wants to enslave humanity into slavery. Every body is equal as per Qura’n.

    Indoctrination

    There are several ways of Indoctrination. Besides the Temple, Main Stream Media plays a very crucial role of brainwashing and indoctrinating the stupid masses.

    HDR rating

    Large democratic statistics

    A survey by Trustlaw earlier this year of the G20 countries found, unsurprisingly that India, is the worst country to live in of the glorious top 20 if you happen to be incarnated in a female form, beating Saudi Arabia to the relegation spot. This damning statistic is compounded by an earlier study that placed India fourth (behind Afghanistan, Democratic Republic of Congo and Pakistan – all incidentally regarded as war zones) worst place on the planet to be a woman, it is The Guardian 15/6/11 report “ranked as extremely hazardous because of the subcontinent’s high level of female infanticide and sex trafficking.” In 2009, Home Secretary at the time Madhukar Gupta estimated 100 million people, mostly women and girls were trafficked that year, nobody knows the true figure probably it was and remains higher. Source ‘Counterpunch’.

    China a medium developed?

    Keep on dreaming. The strength of Country lies in Gold reserves. It will pass U S A in few years. It has passed all countries except U S A. At current level China is supposed to have 6000 tons of Gold as compare to 8000 tons by U S A.

    China is every where in Africa and South and North America. Every Industry except Ford are / have moved to China. Have a nice night mare.

    apocalypse” on 20th Dec

    Christianity and other man made religion died on 21st Dec 2012. Mayan and Nostradamus Garbage vanished from the face of the Earth. Say HELLO to ISLAM. Insha’ALLAH.

    website “apocalypse” when Waqqas’ 8 page baqwas will be found and posted :

    Rajesh Gindwani Sahib I take the above quote as a Honor. But be assured that there is no apocalypse even if I do post that 9 page response to ‘Venus’ again.

    Losers?

    As per Muslim’s perspective, any body that enters Paradise is a winner. And those who enters Hellfire is a LOOSER. Knowing that you worship 330 Million gods in VIOLATION of your own scriptures that instructs to worship ONE GOD ALONE, it seems to me that you are the LOSER.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  231. Sneha Gulal · 2 months ago

    Waqqas, let me response on behalf of Rajesh. It is not upto you to decide Devki’s status. She is indeed an elevated soul and achieved liberation at the end of her birth. As for other mothers, such as Iris etc, their history has been distorted by Muslims so can’t say much about them.
    As for Lord Krishna’s mother and father: our scriptures mention Lord Krishna as the Lord who entered the womb of Devki when she was married to Vasudev. Which makes Vasudev as the Avatars’s father and Devki the mother. Lord Rama too entered the womb of Kaushalya the same manner, and today no questions are asked if Dasaratha is the father of Rama or not. Your statement saying Lord Krishna has no father is baseless.
    I know where you are getting at. All you are doing is trying to compare mata Devki with Mary. Unlike Mata Devki, Mary was not married to Joseph at the conception of Jesus, which makes her ” the virgin mother”
    We have a name for such mothers, we call them whores. In India we know them as “rendis”. You can call her ” mother of god” we don’t care LOL !
    Re Durga and Kali : what was mentioned is according to our scriptures. If you don’t believe them, we don’t really care.
    Yes I am aware of your hell and heaven. You have a place you call paradise aka brothel where men will be rewarded with big eyed virgins. No thank you, as a woman I SPIT upon such “paradise” and the Allah who hands out such places.

    I have written another post before this, it was never posted. Why ?

  232. Waqqas · 2 months ago

    Sneha Gulal needs to read and inform himself / herself of the world Mythology and similarities of different fraudulent godheads of stupid naive and superstitious dumb followers. Your response about them were absolutely unlearned.

    “Iris etc, their history has been distorted by Muslims so can’t say much about them”.

    There is no Ancient Egyptian godhead viz ‘Iris’ but ‘Osiris’. Vast majority of Muslims are unaware of these fraudulent god-heads therefore has nothing to do with their history makeup. It is the western theologians that caught up with similar Bibliography of Osiris, Dionysus, Zeus, Odin, Adonis, Mithra, Bacchus, Krishna, Aztec to name but few, and claimed them as non-factual mythical figures. Perhaps Dr. Jamil Khan can enlighten you on these hokus pokus non-existence delusions.

    “You can call her ” mother of god” we don’t care LOL !”

    Again your response was unlearned. Beside being absolutely arrogant and abusive for the lady that is elevated and honored above all the women of the world.

    Muslims do not call any women as mother of god. It is you who call some of your women as mother of fraudulent god. Even Christian of today are in doubt to call Mary as mother of god. They are following the line of Muslims and calling her as mother of a Mighty Messenger.

    I could have called Devki, Kaushalya same as you abused the pious Mary, but will not. Reasons? benefit of doubt, further more they are, if factual, also Makhluk of THE CREATOR.

    What do you call a child who is born through sperms of other than the husband of their mothers? as in case of Devki / Krishna and Kausshlya / Rama. How would you classify a character of a woman who walks away with her brother-in-law as in case of Parvati? Since these are unproven figures therefore merely a fairy tales to put children to yawn and sleep and therefore waste of time to comment on.

    Lady Mary had no husband, period. Joseph is a concoction of Jews and Christians. Blessed Lady Mary stayed Virgin and will be raised as Virgin.

    This abusive arrogance is only apparent in Jews and Hindus. ALLAH will deal with you and all at the day of Judgement, Insha’ALLAH.

    ” as a woman I SPIT upon such “paradise”

    Paradise is what Paradise is. Start Spitting at today’s India that besides being the world # one Whorehouse is also # one world biggest Toilet. You do love Randis don’t you? Your Temples are full of Dev Dasi aka Temple prostitutes or Randis.

    Your porno films are full of Randis and Randas. Every young Hindus girls dream of becoming these randis in Bollywood or get exported to Middle east or far east to work as Randis. Isn’t that true. India like Thailand main source of income is through these Randis, isn’t that true? So no wonder you love Randi’ism as propagated by your Temple.

    Hope you make lot of money as a Randi and help your Country with foreign exchange.

    As far as Muslims are concerned. They are not suppose to curse Randis as they are the oppressed ones and the State is liable for their lively hoods and daily needs. Muslims do curse the Polytheist and Kaffirs for their rebelliousness as in your case. Creator is known by different names by different people. I am surprised at Akhbar Navees that let you post and Blaspheme ALLAH.

    I hope Akhbar Navees reads people comments before posting it.

    Assalamu-elekum

  233. Sneha Gulal · 2 months ago

    @Waqqas : you fit the proverb” eating 100 mice, the cat goes to hajj”. After abusing our religion left and right, now he has a problem with my post when I say something about yours. It is this double standard that the world loathes about you, and you still remain oblivious to it.

    My post regarding Mary was not made up by me, and Waqqas knows it. This coward is faking his emotion for sympathy. Unification church and many other Christian historian themselves have questioned Mary’s affairs. The fact remains, Mary was unmarried at the time of child birth and therefore her status will forever be in question. You can’t raise the same for mata Devki and mata Kaushalya as both were legally married during the birth of the Avataras. Mata Devki was even locked up in jail for years with Vasudev so the question of abusing them has no base here.
    Additional reasons include confusion of Jesus’ birth date and place ( Bethlehem or Nazareth) which further adds to the accusations that Jesus’s out of wedlock birth was kept as a secret. Another reason is that Mary continued to be called a virgin despite giving births to other children. All this over glorification of her virginity puts questions regarding her so called virginity itself. And all this is raised not by me, but by Christian scholars themselves, both in the past as well as the present.
    Please don’t quote any of Jesus’s life out of the Quran, since with the exception of Muslims, no one takes such records from Quran seriously. Let us stick to the Bible.

    This question about Mary’s virginity was started when Waqqas mentioned in spite about Lord Krishna’s wives without any understanding about them. If you point your dirty finger at us, don’t yelp and whine when few fingers are pointed at you back.

    And what about this Parvati ? How did discussion of mothers of divinity turn into rape cases of modern times ? Stay focused on the subject.

    Thank you for calling me a prostitute and suggesting I follow this line for the benefit of my country. This statement reflects your family background and I wish the same career path for the ladies in your family.

    Re : Bollywood : you are aware that the “randa and randis” of our film industry has won awards even Oscars. Today both Bollywood and Hollywood co-produce films and many of our stars like Sridevi, Aishwarya and Anil Kapoor have starred in Hollywood productions.
    And you do realize that your own Pak film industry is in tatters. Read this article :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8023072/Bollywood-is-killing-our-film-industry-say-Pakistans-actors.html

    Re devadasi : this was started to preserve the purity of original Indian dances, against the Muslims who brought with them the tawaifs to India. This is the opinion of Dr Kanak Rele in http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-09/news-and-interviews/29400193_1_kathak-mohiniattam-dance-form

    Re Muslims not cursing randis : yes you don’t curse them, only worse, you stone them do death as per your sharia law.

    You say “Muslims do curse the Polytheist and Kaffirs for their rebelliousness as in your case” this is amusing. You find us rebellious because we don’t share your belief ? :) Your filthy but true nature in on full display here. Keep on cursing then my friend !

  234. Akhbar Navees · 2 months ago

    Your rejection of Islam and Christianity reeks of basic prejudices endemic in your ilk. Hence all your political analysis comes out of your temple indoctrination. It is impossible to talk about politics or history with your ilk–because everything revolves around your temple indoctrination. When discussing the IVC, you delve into religion within a nano-second. When discussing geography, your guys own the word, because they told you so in the temple. When discussing politics, your temples lead the schedule and narrative.

    Almost no one at your end of the spectrum, can have a discussion without religion.

    Sharia Laws are drown out of the Talmud and part and parcel of the Jewish-Christian-Muslim confluence as identified by Dr. Bulliet

    There is no Hollywood-Bollyood commonality. A couple of film put together every ten years displays no commonality.

    In fact Hollywood is the antithesis of Bollywood porn. Hollywood separates itself from porn, and has redeeming features when it comes up with grand movies like Ben Hur and Kramer vs. Karamer.

    Bollywood is all soft-porn, and does not have a rating system. There are very few “Indies” in Bombay. Its all formula.

    The only movies that are in Hindi/Urdu that are great were created in Canada (movies which are banned in Bharat–Earth, Wind, Fire).

  235. Waqqas · 2 months ago

    Sneha Gula

    You should read and understand the subject before you response. If you do not understand, then ask a question to writer that will broaden your horizon and give you more options to research and put an appropriate response together.

    The proverb of bili do not fit in this epilog. Neither you are aware of my inner thoughts and I of you. Neither of us has a magical bowl to speculate or know each other deeds. Therefore the proverb falls flat.

    Religion:

    Traditions lay major emphasis that the first man landed in Sri Lanka and his son (2nd prophet-Seth) buried in Ayodhya. 3rd Prophet Idris (Anoch) was born 100 years later after death of Adam in Hind. Idris was given 50 books and taught by Arch Angel Gabriel knowledge of Astrology, writing, agriculture and other. Idris got frustrated with locals, and despite warnings they kept on worshiping Idols. Prophet Idris (pbuh) moved to Nile where he constructed 83 cities and taught monotheism.

    The reason of writing above is to acknowledge that Santna Dharma is genuine, but got adulterated later, with fairy tales and nonsense due to racist forces. Qura’n is the Last Testament that testifies to 124,000 previous Prophets that gave the message of Monotheism, that is, ONENESS of CREATOR, and HE made different people HIMSELF, and they would be equally judged on basis of their belief and DEEDS. No one person is superior to other in eyes of CREATOR, except in deeds, belief and not blood, caste, class or wealth lean-age.

    Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism is man made Religion that keep changing with time progression as needed. Therefore their writings are corrupted and not a trust-able source for accuracy.

    Mary

    Adam (as) was created without father and mother. Eve (Hawa) was created without mother. Jesus (as) was created without father. Khidr was created without father and mother and lives the life eternity until ALLAH wishes. Mary (as) had no other children but one Might Messenger aka as Jesus on whom be peace. The reason for his rejection by Pharisee and scribes was purely RACIST. Jesus (as) had proclaimed the LAST MESSENGER MUHAMMAD will come from the tribe of ISMAEL and not ISAC (as). Therefore all the abusive language in Talmud against the Pious Mary and her son Jesus (as). Talmud is word of Satan invented in Babylon by perverted Jews. If you agree with them in their perversion you are one of them.

    All other Mythical god-heads are fantasy of their followers.

    You abused the MOST PIOUS lady among womanhood ever, whom, ALLAH HIMSELF chose to give her a glad tiding of Jesus (as) by HIS WORD ‘BE’ and it was.

    As far as I is concerned. Many thanks to ALLAH the GREAT, HE has well taken care of me. One of my sister owns, and is running 5 Medressah with 1500 pupils. Other one is a senior Judge that drives to work without bodyguard for protection due to her honesty, correctness, Unbiased judgement and thorough knowledge of Islam. My daughter is married to chief of Nero-science in a VA Hospital and teaches in an medical University. My son is married to an Lady MD. All these ladies I mentioned are Hijabis and Hajis and practice Islam to letter and spirit. Their work are highly appreciated by non-Muslims including Hindus.

    Krishna

    Muslims has no objection in Krishna having 16016 wives. This subject is brought to remind Hindus of their past and present practices so they can avoid subject of Polygamy.

    Qura’n

    The only valid, preserved and DIVINE document is QURA’N. Its other name is REMINDER. True to its name it does remind people of past nations and their prophets that taught monotheism and not polytheism. It forbids evil and encourages good deeds- Therefore

    Movies and their workers no matter how beautiful or ugly acting on a make believe situation is absolutely prohibited. Awards or no awards for these unfortunate workers are same. Hellfire.

    Hope to receive an intelligent response next time

    Assalamu-elekum

  236. Alansaralhaq · a month ago

    Sneha,

    Can you enlighten me on this:

    The Asvamedha yajna was a celebrated sacrifice in which many ancient Hindu queens & ksatriya women in various provinces had sex with a dead horse, and Lord Rama’s mom (Kaushalya) & co-mom’s were no exception. Lord Rama’s mom spends a whole night having sex with a dead horse for the purpose of ‘righteousness & cleansing of sins’:

    Please elaborate.

  237. Sneha Gulal · a month ago

    @waqqas :
    You say ” Neither of us has a magical bowl to speculate ”
    Calling names and openly critisizing us for not following your religion clarifies your true intentions. I feel blessed for not being born to parents following Islam.

    You say ” the first man landed in Sri Lanka”
    This theory has no base at all. Adam is a myth. Mr Khan will surely agree. To think that all human race started from one human is not only scientifically impossible, it is also disgusting. Why ? Because it has to involve incest relationships, in which Adam’s children have to intermarry.
    Hinduism on the other hand states that the human race started from many rishis, and today we all keep track of our ancestral saints, knows as Gotro saint.

    Re Talmund the word of satan.
    Not intentionally, but you seem to glorify this satan. Each and every discussion we have, you seem to raise the standard of this creature more and more. Last time you had mentioned Satan influencing Judaism and Christianity. And now he has his own holy book, the Talmund.
    I have another question. Last time I was talking about the Torah, you critisized the Talmund. The post above I spoke about the Bible, again you critisized the Talmund. May I know why you keep bringing Talmund up even though its not part of the discussion ?

    124.000 prophets : we had gone through this before. I had asked you if the Quran states any prophets outside the Mideast Area. For which you mentioned Moses and Ibn Khatir (if am not mistaken). Those two can’t be seperated from Mideast and you know it as they preached in the same area. Earth is very large, not only confined to Mid East area. As a supposedly final revelation, not only Quran has failed to mentioned the 124.000 prophets in all parts of this wide world, it is ridiculous that Quran does not mention the first revelation of God ( by scientific dating should be the Vedas) If Quran states that it is the final revelation of “god” by all means the first revelation should be mentioned.
    The Earth’s population is not evenly distributed, and its strange that “god” should send his best prophets, including the” last and the best of them” to Arabian peninsula, the least populated area of Earth at that time.

    You say “The reason of writing above is to acknowledge that Santna Dharma is genuine, but got adulterated later ”
    What is genuine about Sanathana Dharma and what is adulterated ? This has been asked again and again, but there is no Muslim can ever answer this question.

    You say” Hinduism is man made Religion”
    Here you contradict yourself . You had said above post that Sanathana Dharma to be genuine, now you say its man made.

    You say “Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism is man made Religion”
    The followers of these religion is followed by 80 %of the world population. Bad job Allah and his 124.000 mysterious prophets did, didn’t they ?

    Re : Mary : I had revealed my sources and doubts on the virginity of Mary. You can forward your doubts with them.
    And you can’t compare the birth of Jesus with the birth of Adam and Eve, although filled with fantasy but leaves no room for doubting their morality. There is nothing scandolous about giving birth from your ribs. But childbirth by an unmarried lady is something else altogether. Kunti gave birth to her son Karna the same fashion. It was a virgin birth by Lord Surya. But because she was unmarried, she hid her baby in shame. Later after marrying to Pandu, she had her 5 children in the same “virgin birth”manner and no questions were asked. But then perhaps the standard of morality in India was much higher than in the Mideast.
    Oh yes Mary did give birth to her to other children according to the Bible, and the Christians are still in doubt whether the child is of virgin birth or belonging to Joseph. But I guess Quran has erased all that. I must admire your “erasing” capabilities ! This is how your religion was formed.

    You say “This subject is brought to remind Hindus of their past and present practices so they can avoid subject of Polygamy.”
    Seriously ? A Muslim reminding a Hindu about polygamy ? The list of your prophets wives includes an older woman, then a 6 year old then his step sons’ wife ? And you Muslim men follow his “glorious” example by having many wives, 4 at a one time, not counting the divorced ones.
    Lord Krishna’s many wives have been explained in my earlier post, and it does not form a basis for a pattern to be followed by the devotees. No Hindu would ever have many wives stating Lord Krishna as an example. That is difference between your faith and my faith in regard to polygamy.

    Thank you for sharing your family history. I do hope to communicate with them someday and inform them that the head of their family has a habit of name calling to ladies and I would love to hear their responses.

  238. Alansaralhaq · a month ago

    Sneha,

    Accusations without proof is accusation.
    Circumvented argument to disprove the virgin birth but it is ultimately down to belief.

    The irony is the a person who adheres to flying half men half elephant Gods and half mena nd half monkey gods, or lingam Gods have the audacity to question.

    I find it quite comical that your kind the stone worshippers with the most bizarre Gods – ALL UNPROVEN, NEVER WITNESSED, never existed and as bizarre as an obese lady with six hands in blue with a black tongue that hangs out of her mouth would go to great lengths to disprove other faiths.

    Going back to my earlier question since you began the profanities as per usual;

    Sneha,

    Can you enlighten me on this:

    The Asvamedha yajna was a celebrated sacrifice in which many ancient Hindu queens & ksatriya women in various provinces had sex with a dead horse, and Lord Rama’s mom (Kaushalya) & co-mom’s were no exception. Lord Rama’s mom spends a whole night having sex with a dead horse for the purpose of ‘righteousness & cleansing of sins’:

    Please elaborate

    I really want to know you defend this and which you will because ultimately it is about faith and belief. However like I said Sneha apply the arguments to your own faith there is much to disagree here, that you will not though.

    However for soeone to come from such a bizarre cult to question the Abrahamamtic faiths is always quite bizarre for me.

  239. Alansaralhaq · a month ago

    Sneha,

    Accusations without proof is accusation.
    Circumvented argument to disprove the virgin birth but it is ultimately down to belief.

    The irony is the a person who adheres to flying half men half elephant Gods and half mena nd half monkey gods, or lingam Gods have the audacity to question.

    I find it quite comical that your kind the stone worshippers with the most bizarre Gods – ALL UNPROVEN, NEVER WITNESSED, never existed and as bizarre as an obese lady with six hands in blue with a black tongue that hangs out of her mouth would go to great lengths to disprove other faiths.

    Going back to my earlier question since you began the profanities as per usual;

    Sneha,

    Can you enlighten me on this:

    The Asvamedha yajna was a celebrated sacrifice in which many ancient Hindu queens & ksatriya women in various provinces had sex with a dead horse, and Lord Rama’s mom (Kaushalya) & co-mom’s were no exception. Lord Rama’s mom spends a whole night having sex with a dead horse for the purpose of ‘righteousness & cleansing of sins’:

    Please elaborate

    I really want to know you defend this and which you will because ultimately it is about faith and belief. However like I said Sneha apply the arguments to your own faith there is much to disagree here, that you will not though.

    However for soeone to come from such a bizarre cult to question the Abrahammatic faiths is always quite bizarre for me.

  240. Dr abdul jamil khan · a month ago

    Dear Sneh Gulal
    You vs Waqqas is entertaing; ” Blind leading the Blind” is what i see if u guys are really serious.
    You have certainely made great points responding to dear Waqqas sahab.history of religions is myth based which is blind faith.We in 21st cent use current ” better scientific”knowledge than than what existed in prophets ‘s or older times. As a student of science following ideas are relevant in judging the myths and prophet’ practices like marriagess.
    – recorded history-the oldest is from egypt/mideast( 3000BC)
    – religious ideas of mideast farmers ( ~ 10,000 yrs) drove all religiouns/cultures–including Hinduism–Words Seth is egyptian, brother of isis/osiris.
    – ancients believed that ” women’s menses” creat babies mixed with semns-this was the science during prophets’ time too. Female child’s marriage ” prepubertal or before meses” was normal all over as ” they could save” the precious first ” vital flow” for the first baby.( loss of meses was unacceptable)
    – With advent of micrioscope and new knowlede about ” embrology” has led to true nature of menstrual bld.
    – Things changed but in india still ” traditions’ of child marriage is in vogue; Gandhi’s wife was child.
    – prophet’s marriage with a 6 or 9 yr old be seen in context.
    – polygamy , norm of the time was/is related to women’s excess, came into practice aftr ” farming stage” 10,000 yrs but slowly.
    – before this in hunting/gathering stage ( before 10000 yrs) man had shortage of women; some times just one or two in tribe; So man had made women a ” Goddess”–every where including jewish Ashira( parvati) of God Yahweh( shiva);also plyandry and incest was ” normal/necessary”–se we still have polyandry in Darupadi story as well as left over practice even now in Tibet and Laddakh–accepted as ” Religious” In south india a maternal uncle has first right to mary his sister ‘s daughter and i have such friends as couple. Thus incest had continued untill 100BC in Elamite Iran( see my book on urdu/hindi).
    Muslim and Hindu ” literalists/fundamentalists” are entilted for their blind faith.BUT judgments on other faith ” mine is better ” syndrome is oxymoronic hyperbole.But for students of science we need to go back to ancient man in africa and his ideas of GOD and cultures. For good/bad Islam’s prophets is the only ” first and last” prophet of modrn recorded history and others incding Hinduic and judeo-christian are ” NON HISTORIC MYTHS” ascribed to ” magical hokus pokus” etc, AShva-medh yag linking Ram’s mother pregnany and Jesus coming off with no father and MOses surviving in ” river” as Krishna did as well.
    Discussion of ” myth vs myth” is blind leading the blind. A poet form india Akbar Allahabadi had said:
    Mazhabi bahes hum ne ki hi nahieN
    Fuzool aqel mujh meiN thi hi NahieN.
    I think Rupee news is a great stage for this past time ” blind vs blind” beside being a resource for education.

  241. Waqqas · a month ago

    Sneha Gulal

    Ignorance has no bound in your case. What ever question you asked were already dealt with, by me, and Abdallah Jan previously. I guess you are late comer in this forum, otherwise you would have abstained like Mr. Rajesh in pursuing the subject.

    You volunteered to answer on behalf of Rajesh. Though he is more learned than you, as evident by the materiel that comes out from you.

    You must read thoroughly first, before you response. That you have not done. For instance, you stated >>

    “As for other mothers, such as Iris etc, their history has been distorted by Muslims so can’t say much about them”.

    Here you just shot an arrow in the dark without doing any research. That shows your ignorance. There is no god-head known as ‘Iris’ in the world’s mythology. Further more ‘Iris’ is a feminine gender therefore can not be termed as ‘god’ but ‘goddess’ (AstaghfirULLAH).

    ‘Osiris’ is an Ancient Pagan Egyptian mythical god 3000 BCE(AoudhobILLAH-meaning I seek refuge with ALLAH) who has similar Bibliography as that of other god-heads including Krishna. Therefore these are just invented myths created by Satan to deviate the naive followers.

    Your next unthoughtful proverb >>

    “eating 100 mice, the cat goes to hajj”

    This is absolutely misplaced. It just shows you have heard of such a proverb, but did not know where and how to use it. This proverb is used when a known corrupted person finally goes to Hajj. For instance, if Zardari goes to Hajj, it would be appropriate to use this proverb. Or if MQM Leader Ulta Hu goes to Hajj, it would be appropriate to use this proverb.

    This is where I wrote, ” The proverb of bili do not fit in this epilog. Neither you are aware of my inner thoughts and I of you. Neither of us has a magical bowl to speculate or know each other deeds. Therefore the proverb falls flat”.

    Yet you did not understand and jumped of the rail by writing, “You say ” Neither of us has a magical bowl to speculate ”—”Calling names and openly criticizing us for not following your religion clarifies your true intentions. I feel blessed for not being born to parents following Islam”.

    Do you see the problem?

    >>Adam is a myth. Mr Khan will surely agree<> all human race started from one human is not only scientifically impossible <>

    This is not the first world, nor is it the first universe. There have been and will be many more worlds and universes than there are drops of water in the holy river Ganges. The universes are made by Lord Brahma the Creator, maintained by Lord Vishnu the Preserver and destroyed by Lord Shiva. Since the universes must be destroyed before they can be recreated, Lord Shiva is called the Destroyer and Re-creator. These three gods are all forms of Supreme One and part of the Supreme One. The Supreme One is behind and beyond all.
    After each old universe is destroyed nothing is left but a vast ocean. Floating on this ocean, resting on the great snake Ananta, is Lord Vishnu. Some say that a lotus flower springs from his navel and from this comes Lord Brahma. And it is from Lord Brahma that all creation comes.
    How did Lord Brahma create? Some tell of how he grows lonely and splits himself in two to create male and female. Then he becomes one again and human beings are created. In the same way he creates all the other living things, from the great animals to the tiniest insects. Others say that everything comes from different parts of Lord Brahma’s body. All the different animals and all the people come from his mouth, arms, thighs and feet. Everything comes from one – Lord Brahma, who is part of the Supreme One – so everything is part of the Supreme One. For this universe, this world and this Lord Brahma, like all those before and all those to come, will be destroyed by Lord Shiva.
    How long is the life of a universe? Its length is beyond imagination. One day to Lord Brahma is longer than four thousand million of the years that we know. Every night when Lord Brahma sleeps the world is destroyed. Every morning when he awakes it is created again. When the Lord Brahma of this universe has lived a lifetime of such days the universe is completely destroyed by Lord Shiva.
    Everything disappears into the Supreme One. For an unimaginable period of time chaos and water alone exist. Then once again Lord Vishnu appears, floating on the vast ocean. From Lord Vishnu comes forth Lord Brahma of the new universe and the cycle continues for ever.

    We Muslims reject the above Fairy Tales. There is only ONE GOD whom we call ALLAH (SWT).

    You are calling Adam as Brahma that got lonely and split himself in two. Adam and his wife Eve.
    This is the same story with different name plus wrongfully interjecting divinity on Adam or Brahma.

    Incest relation were abrogated after the advent of 4th Prophet.
    Like wise marrying two sisters at the same time were abrogated during the final Messenger (pbuh). Please do not touch on this subject as I have humongous archives on this abrogated practices. I am well aware off all the people that still practice incest among other things in this 21st Century. I will not feel happy to indulge in this subject. ALLAH forbid.

    In one of my previous post to you I had quoted few verses of Talmud. Did you think those were the verses from GOD?–

    During destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and later by Romans all the Biblical Scriptures (Torah) and Temple was destroyed. During the Babylonian captivity the Jews invented the ‘Talmud’. Therefore the present day Bible is the perverted concoction of Jews and Christians, though it may have some truth, as far as ONENESS of GOD is concerned. Trinity is absolutely rejected by Muslims.

    Here is some quote of Old Testament. See if you think its words of GOD?

    God of the Bible orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelite s can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

    The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

    This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists or Muslims.

    Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: “For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

    The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.

    And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear: “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    >> if the Quran states any prophets outside the Mideast Area <<

    I was hoping you avoid this subject. Nevertheless I would have to give you partial information hoping you do your own research into this matter and broaden your horizon and intellect.

    Prophets outside Mideast-

    Adam–Sri Lanka (Hind)
    Seth–Hind–buried in Ayodhya along with Ayoub.
    Idris aka Enoch–Hind
    Ayoub aka Job—Hind buried in Ayodhya.
    Moses aka Musa–Egypt.
    Dhul Kifl aka Buddha by some tradition–Hind

    Idris (as) was given 50 books and knowledge of Astronomy/Astrology, agriculture, and other sciences besides learning writing.

    When you meet ALLAH on the day of judgement, ask HIM why HE did not mention 'Vedas' in Qura'n.

    Santana Dharma is not same as Hinduism. Hinduism is a misnomer. Hind is mention by final Messenger in Ahadiths. Hind was also the name of wife of Abu Sufian. The Arabs still call people of Hind as Hindi regardless of their religious persuasion. Hinduism is a concoction of British Colonialism.

    Muslims are growing at a fast rate. Its current population is 2 Billion. The rest will become Muslims soon Insha'ALLAH, that will take care of disbelief, Polytheism and Paganism. Its Muslim's job to spread Monotheism and we will succeed Insha'ALLAH.

    Most of Bible is Garbage. Lady Mary had only one son and his name is Essa Elaihislaam aka Jesus Christ (pbuh). His return is expected by Muslims, who will kill Ad-Dajjal, Koka and Vikoka (Ajud & Majud) and revert all Nations to Islam.

    Hindus are the expert in erasing culture and history besides Holy Scriptures. We Muslims dare not touch Qura'n with that intention. Take the first Qura'n, that is in in Turkey Library Museum and compare it with the most recent published one—SAME. You L I E D. This shows your inadequate knowledge of Qura'n. Sheik Yasin Khalid (American preacher turned Muslim) gave a challenge to all. "throw away all the religious books, including Qura'n in the ocean. In one week or so there will be a Qura'n published. Because there are Millions of Muslims that has memorized Qura'n". So changing 'WORD' of 'ALLAH' is inviting 'Death'. As happened to Khilaf Rashida that tried to abrogate two last verses of chapter 'Tauba'. His own student killed him in California. This student was a Hafiz (Memorized Qura'n).

    Age of Aisha at consummating her Marriage was 17 and not 6 or 9. Abdallah Jan have already dealt with this subject previously.

    Islam does not recognize adoption. Therefore his divorcee wife is legitimate for the Messenger (pbuh). He was not Messenger Step Son. You L I E D.

    like I wrote earlier. do not give me a reason to write the unethical, deviated, immoral and porno practices of your Rishis. Our women do not worship 'Lingum' you do.

    Pre-Islamic culture in Arabia buried their new born baby girls alive. Final Messenger stopped this brutal practice and uplifted women. He said "Best is the Nations that has the most women". But this practice is still followed in India, in the past and present.

    One Million baby girls are murdered annually at or before birth in India.

    40 Million widows are not allowed to seek a new husband. But, are used as prostitutes.

    30,000 young female brides are burnt annually for greed of dowry in Hindu Culture.

    Every 45 seconds a female child is kidnapped by Hindus to be sold as a child bride to much older man. Sometimes to multiple men of same family. Man rapes her. Brother rapes her. Father rapes her.

    Every 2 minutes a young girl or woman is raped by Hindus in India. Follow your own news and smile.

    1 out of 3 women in Delhi is raped.

    Poor Hindus sell their daughter to any buyer for 20 dollars.

    Sometime they leave their daughter as Dev Dassi in Temples. Where she is sold to top bidder to pop her cherry. Later used as Temple Prostitute, eventually dies of AIDS. May ALLAH grant these oppressed children Paradise and Hellfire for the oppressor.

    This makes India as a worse nation on the face of Earth.

    Lastly, Muslims though allowed, do not practice Polygamy. ALLAH says in Qura'n, marry 4, 3, 2 but ONE is BETTER. This is the only revealed book that says ONE is better. Thus abrogating the previous practice of 16016, 1000, 99, 13, 4 to ONE as best choice.

    Be careful in your next response. As Akbar Navees knows I am able to shatter the response of the most learned. That I have not done so far thinking that you are a Lady. May ALLAH guide and bless you.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  242. Waqqas · a month ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan theories are changing at much faster pace currently with new technologies and discoveries. Your statement

    “– recorded history-the oldest is from egypt/mideast( 3000BC)”

    Needs modification or re-learning. One must look at the Pyramids which is not a MYTH but a living proof of its existence, as I myself has been there twice, and why it was built, that will negate the recorded history ( his-story or her-story) and will conclude that we need to look for answer to solve the puzzle.

    The # 3000 BCE does not fit the puzzle. If the Patriarch and their descendent lived for 1000 years each except Enoch. Enoch was taught writing and Astronomy/Astrology, agriculture, metallurgy and other sciences. There are humongous evidences and writings un-coded and/or concealed.

    Archeologist will not touch the Arzarian Temple because they can not explain the Tetrahedron Sphere. This Temple which is 50 ft below the ground is the place where Osiris was revived by Isis. And that is about 9000 BCE and not 3000 BCE.

    Set, brother of Osiris is not the same person viz Seth son of Adam. Because the calender year differences by almost 180,000 yrs approx BCE therefore not true.

    There are lot of information withheld from public for a sole reason to promote Atheism.

    Enoch was given 50 books. Some of those still survive and has been translated in German and English. He moved from Hind / Babylon to Egypt and constructed 80+ cities along the Nile along with the Pyramids. He had a Help from ALLAH Who gave him a anti-gravity chest which later became to be known as arc of the covenant, to lift 2 million 3 hundred thousands stone slab over 13+ acre each weighing 200+ tons.

    This chest also was a source for mobile power generation and provided electricity to mobile lamps without electrical wires and was stored in the Pyramid of Giza.

    Fast forward at time of Moses (pbuh) when allowed to go with tribes. He took with him this chest. This was the red line for Pharaoh who invaded the fleeing tribes and got sunk in the sea of Aqaba. Moses had used this miracle chest to defy the gravity of sea as per recent theories and not because he raised his both hands with a staff as per Hebrew brain programming movie ‘Moses’.

    BTW Dr. Zahi Hawass the Egyptian Archeologist for the Egyptian Iniquities has lost his job and is in jail for concealing the truth or lying about a chamber in Giza Pyramid.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  243. Dr abdul jamil khan · 4 weeks ago

    Alif laila of hindus and Abrahamics:
    Dear WAqqas sahab,
    Yes, egypt still needs reasearch and may be some day they will find ” Moses garment” that he wore in egypt and Hebrew script under some pyramid.
    Same is true about our ancesteral ‘ Hanuman’ who had antigravity power propelling him to Lanka and Himalayas and Ashwamedh yaga provided the necessary vital material to provide ‘SONS’ to a beleagured king Dashratha unable to father as he had killed a Brahmin who was making love with his wife under guise of swan. There is certainely ‘ 1001′ stories ala ” alif laila”, opium of Abrahamic faithfulls as well as ‘ our ancesteral brothers’ Hindus.Your faith that SOME GREAT SATAN wants Athaeism to prevail is another piece of blind faith that i duely respect as much as ‘ all that alif lailas/leelas’ of all faiths.
    The question that ” mine myth is truer than yours” remains under debate. Please do address this if you will; Thank u and wish u a happy new year–if u believe in Jan 1 as the day of new year.

  244. Akhbar Navees · 4 weeks ago

    From a secular perspective, what were Prophet Muhammad’s political responses for supporting Moses….

  245. Waqqas · 4 weeks ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan

    I did not write about 1001 fairy tales of Arabian Knights. Therefore sweeping what I wrote under the carpet was a shortcut, or you are tired of doing any further research, on premise, that you know it all and no further research is required.

    I read 8 to 12 hours a day, every day, on any given subject. I ponder what I have read and keep on learning every day and some time I am amazed what I learn. The more I learn, the more I appreciate the Creator ALLAH and thank HIM for what HE taught me.

    Moses (as) did not live in the Pyramid therefore finding his garment is impossible. Pyramid was not a living quarters or tomb for any mummy. Neither did he write in Egyptian or Hebrew script on the walls of Pyramid.

    As far as Hindu gods or Hanuman is concerned. The Hindus have adulterated their names and I would not give the pleasure to Hindus to write about the actual story behind it and what Mt. Miru means and where its location is. This I have done because of my extensive reading and research.

    Dr. Sahib you have enclosed yourself in the box of ‘out of Africa theory’ that is withholding you of doing any further research. Please come out of it and keep on looking, that will help yourself and others when you write.

    I do not rely on Myth or his or her story (history) written or concocted by agenda eccentric people. My strength is Qura’n, Sunnah and Logic.

    Akhbar Navees has asked you a question, ” From a secular perspective, what were Prophet Muhammad’s political responses for supporting Moses….” Please respond to it and my question, to add, is, what do you think of The Final Messenger’s ‘splitting of Moon’? Is this an ‘Alif Laila’ story?

    Jesus (as) was born in 4 BCE therefore the Christianity Calender falls to dust and has absolutely no meaning.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  246. Dr abdul jamil khan · 4 weeks ago

    Mohammad(pbuh),and Moses story.
    Our dear prophet,is the only HISTORICAL prophet of record.It is accepted in academia. He lived in 7th cent and his wife was a christian and the entire mideast was buzzed by Biblical stories as ” true history” ;the latter was lost to be re discovered later in 18-19 th cent AD and biblical myth reigned supreme. NONE knew that there were great kings, Sargon, Hamurabi, ashurbanipal and other great thinkers. Jewish story of Adam/eve.Noah’s flood and then Abrahim moses, David etc were thought of as ” real historicals.
    Mohammad (pbuh), a radical thinker humanist of his time had very negative idea of ” chosen race” ie Abrahamic family or chosen faith of Christ who had to be borne in “David’s” family.
    Sura baqar 2:111 rejects ” both type of RACISMs-ie ONLY jews will go th heaven and rest of Humans are ” subhumans/animals” ( read Talmud) and blind faith in ” son of GOd ” only implies Heaven.
    This sura challenges the Chosens “‘ ask them to prove it” and it follows 2:112, saying only ” good deeds/umliats” will decide the after live. Qoran opens up heaven to all humans equally.
    So what he thought of MOses is through Hadiths and Qoran; I and many believe these were allegorical stories–teaching Moral lessons for self improvements. BUT as 1000s of new muslims were ‘judeo-christians ‘ converts, 100s of new hidiths got manufactured ” linking Prophet” to Ishmael’s story–defining his genes–making Syeds and 12 Imaams etc. THE great religion of prophet a movements against racism prietcraft, temple hokus pokus etc soon after him got infilterrated; SO now muslims and jews think alike and buz word is ” abrahamic family” euphemism for RACISM.
    I dont remember Qoranic ayaats abt Moses etc. But Waqqas sahab can help to focuss on the issues; He has a blind faith in these myths that itself is admirable.We look around and see ” biblical racism” alive and healthy among blind faithfulls ” ABRAMICS”.
    Blind faith is ” most dangerous thing”-wether true/false as it has/is source of greatest human messacres. Holocaust is unique and must not be forgotten; reason was ” aryan-semitism” of biblical creationism.

  247. Akhbar Navees · 4 weeks ago

    If memory serves me right, Moses is mentioned 80 times in the Quran, more than any other prophet. Prophet Mohammad is mentioned only twice

  248. Akhbar Navees · 4 weeks ago

    A teacher of mine once told me, Islam is all rational and little conjecture. It takes a lot of faith to believe in Christianity–death, resurrection, holy ghost, God and son. Islam is easy to believe in because one has only one decision to make, “Is there is God” or “there is not God”. If one traverses that bridge of non-belief, the proposition to believe in Islam is easy–because one doesn’t have to believe in miracles to believe in the unity of the one unknown God.

    So–I always look for the rational and the rationale.

    In my mind–incorporating Moses as a prophet of Islam was an attempt to divorce the populace from Judaism, and absorb skeptical Jews into the fold. It a brilliant move which worked–it also attracted the vast sea of monotheist in Christianity known as the Arians–who had rejected trinity. Christianity had been prosecuting them for two centuries, so these folks all over the Middle East and Africa joined Islam. How else could 10,000 able men conquer lands from “Behr e Zulmat” to the Indonesian Sea in a matter of decades?!

  249. Alansaralhaq · 4 weeks ago

    Well said Akhbar.

    Through Qu’ran Al Furqan we are made aware of all key prophets, their life and struggles.

    However Dr. Khan is more inclinded to Historic accounts, Archaeology and science than the divine writ.

    We all know History can be re-written and we know how those defining a particular history can deny the truth from surfacing referring to Ismail (AS) v Ishaq (AS) the Judaeo – Islamic argument.

    Most great prophets were insignificant outside the people they came to as a warning therefore their historic account may well have been insignificant in comparison to Muhammad (SAW) who came as a mercy to All mankind and has come to be known the world over. Prophet Jesus has come to be known the world over because the Romans hijacked the Israelite faith and spread the name of porphet Jesus across the then known world.

    Prophet Abraham is known by all because he is titled Father of monotheism and Moses for the Pharoah connection and parting of the sea miracle.

    Both Prophet Moses and Abraham remain insiginificant outside the commuinities they came to as a warner, as a messenger and prophet therefore little was written and little significance was applied to them. In an era where man trusted magic and many made extraordinary claims these great prophets were seen insignifcant until the message from our carried continued through the ages and they too were placed into context.

  250. Dr abdul jamil khan · 4 weeks ago

    You got that right Akhbar bhai sahab. In the mideast islam’s spread was also accelerated as ‘ romans/greeks’ languages and they themself were considered as ” foreign language/spaekers”. Language called arabic has been the oldest ” glue” of entire mideast inclusive of india upto Delhi/Gujrat( since 3000 BC) Ashoke pillars have aramaic/arabic.
    Thus the ” most rationalistic” of all religion is islam, a revolution against priescraft, racism,subversion of human rights etc.
    Hindu’s idea- SKT came from GOD, Jewish idea- GOD and ADAM spoke Hebrew. Islam says the language is ” carriers of ideas” all are equal and Allah has sent messages in all.
    Islam is the perfect religion;no question about it.BUT i will not mock any one elss ” mythical history”–it is because of ignorance/circumstances/ecology and exploitation by priescraft.

  251. Sneha Gulal · 4 weeks ago

    @ Waqqas :
    Re the proverb : I understand that proverb doesn’t mean one actually going to the hajj, it means that after comitting crime, a person tries to show the world that he is sinless of that very crime. I referred that to you since you have insulted us and our religion and now pretending to be hurt when we question your religion.
    If you have a different understanding of the proverb, then good for you and there is no need for us to debate about it.

    Re : Iris : so big deal, I made a spelling error, Isis I wrote as Iris, but that’s no reason for you to behave like a 7 year old school girl and taunt me about it,that too in two posts continuously! Grow up sir. The spelling mistake is not the issue here. I had mentioned Iris (Isis), in relation to Mary. Even Isis gave a virgin birth, and this is stated by many Muslim websites to insult Mary. Rupee news is no different, when they thoughtlessly published the article on Christmas Day itself citing many virgin births in history. The double standard is so obvious here, how some of you defend Mary’s virginity yet some of you write articles to defame her virgin status, or in Navees’s words …”simply report” . But I will not join the Muslim bandwagon and still stick to my principles. Anything I quote on Mary or Jesus, pleasant or unpleasant, I will quote it from Christian sources, not Muslim as I believe Muslim sources are corrupted and biased. When did I mention Isis to be a god ? She is a female therefore English language dictates us to refer her a goddess. Not only you LIED but you had to istifagar to justify this lie.

    Erasing the scriptures : please read again, I had mentioned in my post about you Muslims erasing history related to Judaism and Christianity, including parts of the Bible and Torah. This is how the Quran was created. Of course there is no reason for you to alter the Quran now, it serves your Mohammedan religion perfectly.

    Quran being memorized : you are telling us Hindus about memorizing our scriptures. Didn’t you know the Vedas was transferred from generation to generation through memory before the invention of writing. When there were no writing that’s when memory was needed. In today’s technology of writing and typing and computer, memorizing something is useless. Besides we Hindus neednt worry, even in the Vedas were erased from the Earth, our Lord, as promised, would come down as Avatar and teach the eternal Vedas again. Your Allah wouldn’t do the same as he has ran out of his quota of prophets with “the last and best of all” Muhammad.

    Re : the student killing his teacher :
    Teachers are highly honoured in Hindu traditions. Who has appointed the student as “protector” of the Quran only the devil knows, but that doesn’t justify the killing. But it does justify my point of Islam being violent. Salman Rushide, Asia Bibi, Asma binti Marwan are proofs of the past and present opposers of Islam.

    Re Adam sent to Hind :
    Yes of course he was sent to India. Now I can tell my Indonesian Muslim friends to stop their beliefs that Adam and Eve was banished to the Safa and Marwah hills.
    Can you elaborate which part of Hind was Adam sent to ?

    Adam being a myth : you have not answered my question ” how can the entire humanity come from one single father and mother ?” Instead you quoted Hindu theories. I understand this question is not taught in Madrasahs. You can go to a real school and ask a biology teacher if such a thing is possible. I ll give you a clue : genetic study.
    And no Adam is not Brahma. I never said that. L I A R.
    Through genetic study, you ll agree with the Hindu theory that humans did not originate from a single person but from multiple persons.

    Adam and incest : so u admit that Islam says humanity began from incest relationship and it was approved during the time of Adam till the 3rd prophet ! Hindus reject this disgusting theory. Doesn’t matter if the 4 th prophet forbade it. Its already done. If incest was forbidden it should not have been enforced in the first place. What a ridiculously fickle minded your Allah is. 1st Prophet Okay for incest. 4 th prophet NO for incest. First face Jerusalem to pray after sometime.. face to Mecca! :)
    We’ re talking about ancient characters here please don’t go to the 21st century to find cases of incest and waste time.

    Re Lingum : it is not only worshipped by women but men alike. Don’t LIE. There is a yoni like structure attached to the Kabah which you kiss when you circle it without fully understanding why.

    Sanathana Dharma and Hindusim : it is not for you to decide which one is which. Hindusim is an English term for Sanathana Dharma. All of us follow the eternal / Sanathana Vedas therefore we are followers of Sanathana Dharma.
    On the other hand, you Muslims do not belief in the same concept. To be a Muslim, one must accept Muhammad as a final messenger. Simply believing in Quran and Allah is not enough, as evident by the fate of the Ahmadiyahs. Western scholars therefore have correctly renamed your religion as Mohammedan.

    Vedas not mentioned in Quran : I asked you this question, I did not ask Allah. If you can’t answer simply say so. I am afraid won’t have the pleasure of meeting Allah as I believe I ll go to heaven, not the brothel of big eyed virgins.

    Violence in the Torah VS violence in the Quran : don’t try to justify your Quranic violent verses with that of the Torah. Read again,most of the violent verses of Torah signifies things of the past. Events that have happened. While Quran’s verses is open ended. It encourages battle with non Muslims than can be used continuously till the present. Muslims often justify their violent verses with the “merciful” ones. But that mercy comes with a price, accept Islam or pay tax. That for me is not mercy, that’s blackmail. And Muslim terrorist today indentify their terror with those Quranic verses. You yourself have referred to me as “rebellious” simply because I am not a Muslim. What will you do next..slay me whenever you find me ? Exact words of your Quran, isn’t it ? Well I am attacking your beliefs, am I not ? As per Quran that justifies you to kill me right ? :)

    Re Prophets out of Mid East : there we go again. You have again stated Adam to be sent to Hind with no proof. And now more prophets have sent to Hind, again based on your Madrasah fantasies ! Hind seems to be full of Muslims propehts, but strangely Sanathan Dharma with its idols of Gods triumphed. Ck Ck Ck what a tragedy !
    Moses although born in Egypt, did not stay to preach in Africa, he was a prophet of Israel, a Mid East nation, and is confirmed in Deutronomy 34:10 “There has never been another prophet in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face” Do you see Africa here Waqqas ?

    Re : Dhul Fikl : you have stated him to be Lord Buddha ( now its my turn…Astaghfirullah) whereas authors like Ibn Khatr and other Muslims have doubted that he is even a prophet, and yet some say he might be Ezekiel. Your imaginations and lies have gone too wild Waqqas. The teachings of Lord Buddha is far from Dhul’s teachings. I have mentioned in a post of a different topic about Lord Buddha’s teachings of Karma and Reincarnation, which Muslims can’t even fanthom as your “prophets” never taught you this. You had responded with LIES that reincarnation doesn’t exist in Buddhism which I replied with proofs.
    Buddhist prefer to call reincarnation as “rebirth” or in Pali, Punnabhava.
    Another of Lord Buddha’s teaching is to achieve peace by observing meditation in silence. We Hindus do that, and now the whole world does it during yoga. Muslims on the other hand begin their prayer with ear deafening sounds. Thank goodness Indonesia will soon make laws to regulate the those loud noises. Hope other nations will join soon. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/in-indonesia-mosque-cacophony-under-scrutiny/534346

    Re : Aisha
    Muslim apologetics are doing their best to “increase” the age of Aisha by connecting several incidents. We have a word for that in English language, its called “manipulation”. Your own history books state the facts very clearly yet you out of shame for the deeds of your prophet try to hide it.
    Aisha reported: “Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.”
    Sahih Muslim 8:3310
    Which part of this verse didn’t you understand ?

    I have a PDF file of Shahi Bukhari stored my phone which states the following :
    Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
    Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151

    It makes my stomach churn just to imagine the incident in the above verse.
    I don’t have to tell you what Shahi means. If you do not agree with the above verses, then the entire Hadiths should be abandoned. Some Muslims aren’t willing to do that. They wouldn’t sacrifice their religion to save the face of their prophet. They are rightfully called Muslims as opposed to people like you, the Mohammedans, who blindly hold Mohammad above everything else.

    Re : adoption.
    You have horrible adoption laws. Even if you adopt a female child, doesn’t automatically make her your muhrim which allows you to marry your own adopted daughter! Just because for you its allright doesn’t make it right for us. The whole non Muslim world condemns Mohammad marrying his daughter in law, irrespective of your adoption laws. No wonder you are so concerned with female babies buried alive. Why bury them when you can marry them ?:)
    Pre Islamic Arabia burying their female babies are products of fantasies of the fat Imams of Mecca. This has been refuted by Arab scholars themselves.
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/10/187514.html

    @Alanhaq : from where did you get such fantasy material in regard to horse sacrifice ? What is the purpose of the queens sleeping with the horse ? State the proper verses if such things are found in the books.
    Don’t concern with our flying Gods, your propehts midnight adventure with a flying horse to negotiate number of shalats is a laughing matter to us as well. If you start with me Alan, on topic of Gods, then I will give you fitting reply each time.

  252. Akhbar Navees · 4 weeks ago

    >> Ashoke pillars have aramaic/arabic.

    This is fascinating.

    Please elucidate and show us pics/proof or pillar numbers etc.

  253. Waqqas · 4 weeks ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan

    Lady Khadija was not a Christian, but her cousin Warraka was. This notion of her being Christian, is orientalist concoction to allege that the Final Messenger plagiarized the Qura’n from Bible.

    The Quraish during pre-Islamic era cared less of buzzed Biblical stories coming in during Pilgrimage seasons. They were more interested in revenues rather than hear-say, noting that, there was no Church or Synagogue in Mecca.

    Warraka was a Unitarian, was blind and had no Bible. His knowledge came from, when he traveled to Syria, and heard the monks speak of Biblical Prophets. He had also heard of Final Messenger approaching event, thus he recognized the claimant to be true.

    Sargon was known in Arabia

    Sargon made his daughter Enheduanna high priestess of Nanna, Ur’s moon god. His sons Rimush and then Manishtushu succeeded him.

    Some of the Arabic tribes did worship moon god. For this reason, the Orientalist still maintain this fairy stories of Arabs worshiping moon god at present times. They provide proof of crescent symbol, on Masajids.

    Nimrod mentioned in the Scriptures, could be Hammurabi, since they both had similar military exploits, and because the name “Hammurabi” could be interpreted “Ham the Great”. According to the Scriptures, Nimrod was Ham’s (the son of Noah) grandson.

    “According to Genesis 26 ‘God had revealed a legal code to someone, for Abraham lived under it; because that Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.’ Originally Abraham lived in Babylonia. God called him out of that heathen environment and brought him into the kingdom of Melchizedek, whose capitol was Salem, the ancient name of Jerusalem. Melchizedek was king and ‘priest of God Most High.’ Since he was sovereign of the Kingdom of God on earth, as it existed at that time, the laws and statutes enforced were probably the laws mentioned in Genesis 26:5. ‘It is reasonable to suppose that Hammurabi was aquatinted with this primitive revelation and saw the value of certain laws. These he copied and incorporated into his code.

    One of the major differences, however, between Melchizedek’s law and the Code of Hammurabi is that Hammurabi based his on human wisdom (and perhaps a demon’s influence: note his reference to Marduk in the introduction of his code of law) while Melchizedek based his law on love and the worship and honor of God. Although each of these is only a speculation, they do help set the stage for Hammurabi’s life and reign and draw some conclusions worth digging deeper.

    Ashurbanipal is also known as ‘Shahrezar’ in Muslim world.

    All the above personalities along with the other great thinkers are absolutely irrelevant as they left no significant mark or changes on human behavior as Last Messenger (pbuh) did, therefore insignificant to be mentioned in Qura’n.

    Moses (pbuh)

    The scientific uncertainty about ‘Moses’ (pbuh) precise place in history of Egypt results mainly from the lack of fixed points concerning the time and place of many crucial occurrences in a remote culture, thousands of years ago.

    The oldest physically preserved manuscripts exist only in fragments that are no more than 2,100 years old. The occurrences related in the accounts of Moses happened almost 3,500 years ago.

    Egyptologist support numerous arguments against Moses living in the time of Ramses II who lived in 13 Century BCE.

    Moses refuge in Sinai occurred during Hatshepsut’s time that is the period of 200-300 years before Ramses II. Further more Moses came from Egyptian Royal Family and was not a ‘Hebrew’ and was envisioned to be a candidate for the Royal Throne.

    Like I wrote earlier, lot is unfolding. Thanks to technology and mass and fast communication. Why was ‘Moses’ deleted by the Egyptian Royalties? Some other time I will tackle with the subject, Insha’ALLAH.

    Waqqas blind belief in Myth.

    It seems that I write after I do research. On the other hand you Dr. Sahib keep on singing the same old beat up hokus pokus song of irrelevant personalities.

    Moses is mentioned 136 times in Qura’n.
    Jesus is mentioned 25 times in Qura’n.
    Muhammad is mentioned 4 times in Qura’n.
    Ahmad is mentioned once in Qura’n.
    May ALLAH’S Peace be on all three of them.

    Human Massacre?

    Devil worshipers has caused Human Massacre. Devil worshipers has changed the earlier scriptures. Further more Holocaust is a ‘Myth’ that you think is real. So now may I ask. Who has the blind faith in ‘Myth’.

    Atheist Khazars killed mostly Muslims, Christians and some Jews. So highlighting a Myth of holocaust is ironical and is a result of ‘predictive programming’ by the MSNBC.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  254. Alansaralhaq · 4 weeks ago

    Sneha Bull aka Raj;

    Memorized tradition in the absence of authentic verified scripture is referred to as Conjecture, folklore, myth and legends. You have proven your Vedas were derived in the absence of scripture therefore proving your oldest scriptures have little authenticity but then pen of many legends and myths.

    REGARDING Kashaulya having sex with a dead horse I refer to;

    Valmiki Ramayana (ref. Ramayana 1:13:24-33.). Bestiality depictions have also been found at the Khajuraho temple-complex in Hindustan.

    Now onto other questions, feel free to explain the gibberish;

    Rama is the central character to the Epic RAMAYAN (whose author was Valmiki) Rama is the son of Dasharath, the king of Banaras. Dasharath had three wives, kaushalya, kaikeyi and Smitra besides several hundreds concubines.According to the Ramayana, Rama spent most of his life trying to save his wife, Sita from the clutches of Ravan At the same time Rama was enjoying life to the full at every opportunity.

    How Rama was Fooled by Sukrievan.

    How Rama was Fooled by SukrievanWhen god Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, sukrievan appeared as deer and fooled god Rama. Although Rama was a “god”, he was not able to see through Sukreivan’s disguise!12 Years for Rama, but One day to RavanTo retrieve his wife from Devil Ravan, god Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey god. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that god Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.I took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri lanka in just one day’s time Where is the bridge that Rama built?? Who is more powerful – God Rama or Devil Ravan ? Would a god seek the help of another god to murder a third god?If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown god Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita. Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only “devilish” things!Before helping god Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help god Rama How can a “god” indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?

    Beef Eating RamaWhen God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to is mother: “if has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty, MEAT DISHES. (Ayodha Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).Rama’s Many WivesMr. C.R. Sreenivasa lyengar’s translation of Valmiki Ramayana says: ” Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodha Kandam 8th Chapter, page 28). (The term “Rama’s wives” as been used in many places in Ramayan).Rama’s Disrespect for his FatherRama called his father ” A FOOL, AN IDIOT” (Ayodhya Kandam, 53rd Chapter).Rama’s Contempt for Women and Low CastesRama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off her noses, breasts, ears etc., and tortured them (Soorpanaki, Ayomuki).Rama said, “Women should not be trusted” and that “Secrets should not be confided to the wife” (Ayodhya kandam, Chapter 100).Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a “Shudra” (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).Looking at is hand Rama said the Sanskirt slogan “O right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy.”Rama’s DeathRama , like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and was DROWNED. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a “god die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world?What Leaders say about Lord Rama“My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana”. Mahatma Gandhi“The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights Story” Jawaharlal Nehru“Rama is not a god; but he is a hero” Rajagopalachari, First Governor-General of India and a great Brahmin leader.“Ramayan is not a divine story; it is only a literature” (Kaliyuga Kamban, T.K. Chidambaranatha Mudaliar). Babri Masjid was demolished by Rama Bhatkas claiming that it was his birth place.Lord Krishna/KrsnaLord Krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at naked women?The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to god? Is this God capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? Will Hindu mothers tolerate their son imitating god Krishna??The Riddle of Krishna and RamaThe “Times of India” reported on 12-11-87 that the Education Department, Government of Maharashtra, had published a book called “The Riddles of Hinduism” by Dr. Ambedkar.The report said that various statements contained in the book aroused the ire of some Brahmins, particularly the author’s observation on Rama & Dasharth’s many wives and also Krishna’s moral character. (The Riddles of Rama and Krishna is available from Dalit Saithya Academy, Bangalore-3).God Shiva, Lord Ganesh & Goddess ParvathiAccording to Hinduism, god Shiva’s head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located (if this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon)According to Puranas, goddess Parvathi, wife of God Shiva, sought Shivas’s permission to have a baby When Shiva refused, Paravathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Preiyar used to call this god a “bundle fo dirt”).Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son’s head. How could a god make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make them more complicated?To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of baby elephant and transplanted in onto his son who then become known as the Elephant headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! (There is a different version to this story which, for decency’s sake, cannot be printed here).Kali Goddess of ViolenceA recent report by the press trust of India stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess kali in India An AFP’s recent reports say: Hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi becuase Godess Kali had told him he woudl come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloot-thirsy kali is worshipped opnely in te length and breadth of India.Kali’s statue stands naked aside the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Siva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in manifestations.Pornography in RamayanaRamanaya also recounts the story of king Dasaratha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yagam) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the king. By this means, the king was able to have three sons-Ram, Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yagam, refer to the book “Gnana Surian”, published by the kudi Arasu Press.)Does it mean Rama was born to a Brahmin?The Ramayana tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do not feel it appropriate or decent for ut to go in details (Please refer to Aranya Kandam, chapter 45 verses 122, 123, 124, & 125).The following Aryan practices will reveal how immorality and indecency are sanctified in the name of Hinduism.Lingam and YouniLingam and Yoni in Sanskrit means the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are allowed to worship anything – including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them to name their children as Shiva Lingam (God Shiva’s sexual organ) or Rama Lingam (God Rama’s sexual organ), (in some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male and females to pray naked together).Devadasi (Religious Prostistution)The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report (10-11-87), as a result of conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins). The latter, with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a means that gave prostitution their religious sanction. Poor low-caste Hindu girls, initially sold at private auctions, were later “dedicated” to the temples. They were then initiated in to prostitution Even to this day this religious prostitution blessed by Hindu religion is still alive in Karnataka and Maharashtra.The KamasutraBrahmins has also created Kamasutra – a set of instructions on how to have sexual intercourse. Some of the postures detailed in Kamasutra are so complex that they can only be performed with the help of one or more ASSISTANTS!Some Hindu temples have stone carvings of Kamasutra sexual poses and Hindus worship them.The Devadasi System ThrivesUNI. – TIMES OF INDIA – 10th Nov 1987: confirms that the practice of dedication young Harijan (Hindu) girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organization.The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins) who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanctions. They noted in their study on – “Devadasis” – “the link between religious culture and child prostitution”.The study revealed that girls from poor Hindu families were sold after puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from 500 to Rs. 5,000.The study, made during health camps organized by the World Health Organization (WHO) in the Devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.Lord Rama says do not trust WomenLord Rama is in harmonious agreement with Manusmrti 7:145-153. While lecturing his brother Bharata on how to govern the kingdom, Lord Rama says women are not trustworthy creatures:“[Rama:] ‘Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them.’ ” — Ramayana 2:100.Hinduism and CasteCaste (varna):Brahmin = Priest Caste;Ksatriya = Rajanya/Ruler/Warrior Caste;Vaisya = Commoner Caste;Sudra = Servant/Slave Caste; andAvarna = Outcaste/Untouchable/Dalit/Candala/Dog-eater.There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born (twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted by any of their holy books. Is that really so? Let’s find out:“By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter.” — Manusmrti 11:85.“People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman.” — Chandogya Upanisad 5:10:7.“If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot iron nail ten-fingerslong should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot oil poured into his mouth and ears.” — Manusmrti 8:270-272.“If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or have his buttocks cut off.” — Manusmrti 8:281.“If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.“If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women, children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth.” — Manusmrti 9:229-230.“The Sudra’s duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of ‘I’, and always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the next life).” — Manusmrti 9:334-335.“A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them, for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins.” — Manusmrti 9:317-320.“His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12.In comparison, Sudras are as low as feet & Outcastes (avarna) are even below that status of course.Women in Hinduism“Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence.” — Manusmrti 9:2-4.“Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” — Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.“Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ” — Rig Veda 8:33:17.“A thirty-year-old man should marry a twelve-year-old girl who charms his heart, and a man of twenty-four an eight-year-old girl; and if duty is threatened, (he should marry) in haste.” — Manusmrti 9:94.“A discarded wife is one who has no son. … For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” — Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.“A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father’s house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong.” — Visnusmrti 24:41.Hinduism & Polygamy/PolygynyAlthough there is nothing explicitly wrong with polygyny, some Hindus have a delusion that Hinduism exclusively teaches monogamy. Let’s find out in the following scriptural quotes:Hinduism knows the duties of a maharaja. However, some Hindus would say that the harem-concubines are not necessarily the king’s wives so this is not really polygyny & it is only allowed for the raja (king). To further clarify this issue:“Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes.” — Visnusmrti 24:1. “One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says.” — Manusmrti 8:203-4. Manu’s decrees are regarded as inspired by God.Also, Lord Krsna had 16,000 wives, Lord Visnu & Brahma also had multiple consorts and Ksatriyas are recorded in the itihasas (Mahabharata/Ramayana/etc.) as having as many as thousands of wives & thousands of progeny. However, the immoral news is that Hinduism also sanctions polyandry, not only conventional polygamy. In the epic, the Mahabharata (of which one book is the Bhagavad-Gita), which is a true istory of Hindustan (Bharat/India) according to traditional Hindus, the five renowned Pandava brothers were told by their mom Kunti to divide the prize they won equally among all brothers. Good advice…..but the prize they won turned out to be their wife, Draupadi — five brothers sharing one wife. Pathetic.Hinduism vs IdolatryWhich religion states that idolators will “fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time” ? Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN……. Yeah, Hinduism – once again the holy Vedas speak:“They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti — the material cause of the world — in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.” — Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:“The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE.” — Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism’s sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. “but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti”) are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. “No material representation”, i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in “hell”!!Yet approximately 90% of practicing Hindus commit idolatry & defend it as an authorized & integral practice for Hinduism. In fact, Hindu priests world-wide provide prayers, offerings & even bathe miniature idols in milk regularly; pious Hindus across the globe pray to & bow-down before suchidols of Krsna, Ram/Sita, Linga (Phallus), Siva, Elephants (Ganesa), Monkeys (Hanuman), Cows (Nandi/etc.), Brahma, Yoni (Vagina), Nude Kali (Naked Dravidian-looking Goddess with a protruding blood-thirsty tongue), Snakes(Nag), Hogs (Varaha – Boar Avatar), Turtles (Kurma – Turtle Avatar), Fish (Matsya – Fish Avatar), Goats (Agni – Sacrificial Goat w/Flames — the Fire-God), Fire-God (Agni), Sun-God (Surya/etc.), Moon-God (Candresvara), etc. Some remote sects & tribes of Hinduism even worship crocodiles, camels, donkeys, dogs, rats, toys, frogs, insects and other absurdities.Hinduism says bestiality is not that bad a crimeHinduism states that sex with animals is not nearly as bad as sex with a (human) outcaste; for sex with a cow or some other animal, it’s pardonable, but for sex with a (human) outcaste, a twice-born Hindu should be executed:“An adulterer shall be made to pay the highest amercement if he has had connection with a woman of his own caste; for adultery with women of a lower caste, the second amercement; the same (fine is ordained) for a bestial crime committed with a cow. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death. For a bestial crime committed withcattle (other than cows) he shall be fined a hundred Karshapanas.” — Visnusmrti 5:40-44.Just as incest is not an infrequent theme in Hindu scripture, sex withanimals is also not an uncommon motif in Hinduism. Indeed, great rishis (sages) have been born through bestiality (ref. Manusmrti 10:69-72.). The rishi Rsyasrnga had a deer for a mom. Furthermore, Pandu (the dad of the five famous Pandava princes) had accidentally killed a rishi who was in animal form having sex with a deer (ref. Mahabharata Adiparvan 95.). Hindu queens and other Aryan women of diverse provinces in ancient Hindustan used to have sex with dead horses during the Asvamedha sacrifice, and Lord Rama’s mom Kausalya spent an entire night having sex with a carcass of a sacrificial horse in Valmiki Ramayana (ref. Ramayana 1:13:24-33.). Bestiality depictions have also been found at the Khajuraho temple-complex in Hindustan.Lord Siva & Lord VisnuMohini ['The Enchantress'] is a famous apsaras (celestial nymph) of Lord Indra’s harem. Although usually the apsarases are real and usually created by the gods for the purpose of distracting enemies or ascetics, Lord Visnu himself sometimes takes a form to look like the nymph Mohini to delude the demons during battle:“Visnu took the form of the apsaras Mohini in order to beguile the demons and to steal the Soma back from them. Having accomplished this, Visnu was approached by Siva and Parvati, and Siva asked him to display the seductive form which he had assumed for the demons. Visnu became Mohini, and Siva immediately ran after her, abandoning Parvati who stood with her head lowered in shame. Siva embraced Mohini by force, and his seed fell upon the ground. Mohini disappeared and Siva returned to Parvati.” — Brahmanda Purana 4:10:41-77.How Lord Hanuman (the Monkey – God) was Born“One day Siva saw the Mohini form of Visnu. He was struck by Kama’s arrows and let fall his seed. The Seven Sages put the seed in a pot and they infused it into the daughter of Gautama through her ear. In time, Hanuman, the monkey-god, was born from it.” — Siva Purana 3:20:3-7.How Lord Ganesa was Born“When Siva and Parvati were making love together, Visnu took the form of a Brahmin with matted locks, oppressed by thirst, and he went to the bedroom door and said, ‘What are you doing, Siva? Arise and give me food and water, for I am an old man oppressed by thirst.’ Siva arose, and his seed fell on the bed instead of in the womb of his wife. Then Siva and Parvati offered the Brahmin food and water, and he vanished and took the form of a child and went to Parvati’s bed. There he became mixed with the seed of Siva that was on the bed, and he was born like an engendered child. Parvati found the child and nursed him, naming him Ganesa.” — Brahmavaivarta Purana 3:8:19-33, 83-8, 3:9:1-26.Lord Ganesa lost his head one day, so Lord Siva chopped-off an elephant’s head and attached it to Ganesa’s body. This is how Lord Ganesa became an Elephant-headed God.Origin of Holy Shiv LingaLord Siva seduces the Pine Forest sages’ wives and is cursed for this immoral behavior. Origin of the holy Linga which is commonly worshipped in Hindu temples:“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. In another version, the sages in the forest quote the legal texts regarding the penalty for seducing a guru’s wife when they punish Siva:”You false ascetic, let your (Siva’s) linga fall to earth here. A shameless and evil man who has seduced another man’s wife should be castrated; there is no other punishment ever. A man who has seduced his guru’s wife should cut off the linga and testicles himself and hold them in his hands and walk until he dies.” — Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 10:187-90; cf. B. K. Sarkar, pp.234-5.More on Origin of Holy Shiv LingaHere is another origin of the holy Linga: “… He (Siva) agreed to this and laughed, for he was secretly amused, and he said to Brahma, ‘There is no good use for this linga except for the creation of progeny.’ And as he said this he broke it off and threw it upon the surface of the earth. The linga broke through the earth down to the subterranean hell and went to the very sky. Visnu sought the end of it below, and Brahma flew upwards, but they did not find the end of it, for all their vital effort. Then a voice arose out of the sky as the two of them sat there, and it said, ‘If the linga of the god with braided hair is worshipped, it will certainly grant all desires that are longed for in the heart.’ When Brahma and Visnu heard this, they and all the divinities worshipped the linga with devotion, with their hearts set upon Rudra (Siva).” — Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 49:23b-46, 74-86.Lord Brahma Lust Siva’s Wife & Thousands of Yogis are BornBrahma instantly becomes the dad of thousands of ascetics; the following takes place at Lord Siva’s wedding: “Brahma saw the beautiful face (or feet) of Parvati at the wedding, and he became excited and shed his seed upon the ground. In fear of Siva, he began to make the seed barren, but Siva said, ‘Brahma, you should not kill Brahmins, and these are great sages.’ Then 88,000 tapasvins were born from the seed, and they ran around Brahma calling him ‘Daddy, daddy!’ ” — Brahma Purana 72:18; Vamana Purana 27:56-9; cf. Siva Purana, Jnanasamhita 18:62-8; Siva Purana 2:3:49:3-10; Skanda Purana 1:1:26:15-22.Lord Brahma’s Incest“Brahma desired Sarasvati and went to her, asking her to stay with him. She, being his daughter, was furious at this and said, ‘Your mouth speaks inauspiciously and so you will always speak in a contrary way.’ From that day, Brahma’s fifth head always spoke evilly and coarsely. Therefore one day when Siva was wandering about with Parvati and came to see Brahma, Brahma’s four heads praised Siva but the fifth made an evil sound. Siva, displeased with the fifth head, cut it off. The skull remained stuck fast to Siva’s hand, and though he was capable of burning it up, Siva wandered the earth with it for the sake of all people, until he came to Benares.” — Siva Purana, Jnanasamhita 49:65-80.Another version:“Brahma desired his daughter and took the form of a stag to pursue her as a doe. The Brahmins called him to shame, and Rudra shot him with an arrow. The deer’s head came away from Brahma’s body and became a constellation in the sky. But then Gayatri and Sarasvati [the wives of Brahma] had no husband. They performed tapas for Siva, and he agreed to revive their husband, giving Brahma the four heads of Nandin and others of his hosts. Brahma arose and praised Siva.” — Skanda Purana 3:40:1-59.More of Lord Brahma’s (Prajapati’s) incest:“Prajapati desired his daughter and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less2 than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.

  255. alansaralhaq · 4 weeks ago

    Snail Bull,

    For the record it is you who on all accounts has resorted to defamatory and derogatory remarks – fact.

    The fact of the matter is Pak Asia is essentially defining a new potential Mughal empire more of a reality than the Akhand Bharat Hindu empire.

    The reality is there is more chance of an integrated Islamic Central Asia influencing south and South East Asia as witnessed in a not to distant past of central and south Asia than there is of mythological Hindu Gods surfacing.

    Regarding Kashaulya having sex with a dead horse all night please look at;

    Valmiki Ramayana (ref. Ramayana 1:13:24-33.). Bestiality depictions have also been found at the Khajuraho temple-complex in Hindustan.

  256. Waqqas · 4 weeks ago

    Sneha Gulal regardless of your understanding of the Bili proverb, you are misqualified of its use.

    RE “pretending to be hurt”

    You are delusion-ed of self gratification. You do not have material or know how to annoy me. Rajesh and Bijon Shah does a better job than you and yet I shatter their garbage, by grace of ALLAH the MIGHTY.

    RE Attacking your nonsensical Religion

    You yourself are attacking your religion by adding stupid fairy tales and monkeys, donkeys, dogs, elephants, pigs, snakes, rats, lizards, 16 or 18 hand woman, men, phallus, rivers, fish, scorpion as gods, thus making it absolutely foolish and perverted religion. This is to the contrary to Monotheist Santana Dharma.

    RE Question my religion

    By all means. Islam is not a blind Faith. Read and ask question- that is if you do not understand it or need clarification. As there is no compulsion. Truth is clear from falsehood. And falsehood is bound to Vanish.

    Isis (mythology)

    Horus was the first born of Osiris and Isis. Isis was not a virgin mother neither was Devki.
    Devki may be a female Jinn who eloped with other than her male Jinn husband and gave birth to Blue Krishna as all Jinns are depicted Blue. Since the Jinns live for thousands of years, that will explain why Krishna had 16016 wives or concubines.

    RE “citing many virgin births in history”.

    There is only ONE VIRGIN BIRTH and that is of Eassa aka Jesus on whom be peace and the rest virgin births are result of adultery. As per your terminology, either birth from Randis or just a concocted MYTHS.

    RE “Erasing the scriptures”

    You accuse Muslims of erasing Judeo / Christian scriptures. Then provide your proof if you are truthful. This would be indeed very interesting to read knowing Christians themselves has been altering, adding, subtracting, deleting the verses as needed.

    RE “This is how the Quran was created”

    FOOL Qura’n is the only revealed book that is preserved. Torah and Injil does not exist.

    RE “Mohammedan religion”

    FOOL there is no such thing as Mohammedan religion. Neither is Christianity or Judaism or Zoroastrianism, named after the teacher.

    “This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL-ISLAM. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful”. Al-Maida verse 3

    This religion started at the advent of Adam and completed with Muhammad on whom be peace. Eat your heart out Ghastly Woman.

    RE “Vedas”

    Prophet Idris (Enoch) was born in Hind and was given 50 books as per tradition. Vedas most probably could be from Prophet Enoch but got corrupted after he migrated to Egypt due to corruption in Hind. Indeed true Vedas may be lost. The corrupt Veda therefore is not worth mentioning in Qura’n.

    Kalki avater as promised already came and left the world with complete revealed Qura’n and his 2+ Billion followers and increasing. No other new Prophet will come except a guided leader aka Mahdi and the previous Messiah Jesus on whom be peace. Jesus sole mission is to kill Ad-Dajjal and Gog Magog (Koka-Vikoka).

    Re “Adam and Eve was banished to the Safa and Marwah hills”

    You are completely lost here. Adam landed in Sri Lanka. Eve landed in Jiddah. Read >>>
    http://rupeenews.com/2011/09/allat-al-uzza-and-manat-kaaba-the-house-of-allah/
    Plus do not forget the read the comments on the subject.

    ALLAH commanded Abraham to leave Lady Hagar and their infant son Ishmael at the hills of Safa and Marva in Mecca. The reason was for the Final Messenger (Kalki Avatar) to arise from their progeny. The Hebrews has tried to delete this event of history due to racism and jealousy.

    Re “And no Adam is not Brahma”

    They have similarities. Brahma got lonely and made a woman from his body and eloped with her. Imagine a creator of all things getting lonely and needs to have companionship from part of his body?

    “Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) Al-Ikhlas

    ALLAH did create Adam from altered state of dust and made his companion from his (Adam) rib. ALLAH made Adam as Khalifa on Earth.

    ALLAH does not need a companion. Humans do. You do. I do. And any thing or person that has need is CERTAINLY NOT god. Brahma like Adam is not god.

    Re “Through genetic study, you ll agree with the Hindu theory that humans did not originate from a single person but from multiple persons”.

    Again you shot in the dark. Did you think you are dealing with a poor brainwashed Hindu in some remote ghastly village in India.

    Most studies of human genetic variation have focused on single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), which are substitutions in individual bases along a chromosome. Most analyses estimate that SNPs occur 1 in 1000 base pairs, on average, in the euchromatic human genome, although they do not occur at a uniform density. Thus follows the popular statement that “we are all, regardless of race, genetically 99.9% the same”, although this would be somewhat qualified by most geneticists. For example, a much larger fraction of the genome is now thought to be involved in copy number variation. A large-scale collaborative effort to catalog SNP variations in the human genome is being undertaken by the International HapMap Project.

    “we are all, regardless of race, genetically 99.9% the same”.

    It can only be same if its coming from same couple—FOOL.

    Those multiple persons came from single parents.

    Re “First face Jerusalem to pray after sometime.. face to Mecca!”

    Indeed, that sealed the fate of the disbelievers that refused the follow the Last and Final Messenger on whom be peace. Hell Fire for eternity.

    Re “We’ re talking about ancient characters here please don’t go to the 21st century to find cases of incest and waste time”.

    If a thing practiced due to past practices, it should be mentioned. Muslims and People of the revealed books do not practice it in the current time. But somehow it is still practiced in India. Ask your Bappu Gandhi how old was Indira when he eloped with her. Or ask Gandhi’s grand sons how old were their Gandhi’s nieces when your Bappu eloped with them.

    Re “Lingum”

    ALLAH has made human parts and it should not be worshiped, but ALLAH ALONE as per your Santana Dharma. Regarding the Black Stone in Kaaba. Read—http://rupeenews.com/2011/09/allat-al-uzza-and-manat-kaaba-the-house-of-allah/
    as to the reason why Hajji kisses the black stone.

    Re “While Quran’s verses is open ended”.

    Absolutely. Thank you. Past scriptures were abrogated due to scribe and pharisee’s corruption and replaced by Qura’n.

    It encourages battle with those who attack Muslims. But if the aggressors wants to make peace, Muslims are commanded to make peace with them.

    There was no Muslim army that invaded Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, China, Kashmir, Sudan, Ethiopia, Central Asia, Americas, etc. They became Muslims due to message of Monotheism and equality of peoples and races. That is no Class System or lower class such as Shudra or Untouchables. A SHAME in Hindu religion. All people have same rights to further their lives for prosperity.

    Re ” accept Islam or pay tax ”

    All Muslims pay tax, which was suppose to be 2 and 1/2 percent of annual savings. So was the minorities as Jizya. Those Muslims or non-Muslims that has agricultural land has to pay more since Land belongs to ALLAH.
    Those whose Land produces revenues that were not due to their own labor, yet has to pay even more. These taxes are to be distributed to the poor regardless of their religious affiliation.
    Most of Islamic rulers do not follow these laws, therefore they would be accountable on the day of Judgement. Islam can not be blamed for their misdeeds. Blame it on greed and selfishness.

    Re “And Muslim terrorist today indentify their terror with those Quranic verses”

    Would you quote me those verses.

    Watch this video that is made by an American Christian as to who is running the terrorist cells.

    http://www.infowars.com/special-report-30-year-cia-vet-admits-west-runs-al-qaeda/

    Hindu Fundamentalist are involved in Terrorism

    http://dawn.com/2013/01/21/bjp-rss-behind-samjhauta-blasts-indian-ministerbjp-rss-behind-samjhauta-blasts-indian-minister/

    There is no use of beating the unfounded baseless accusation towards Muslims when you, your Ilk and your helpers with similar agenda are the Terrorist.

    Re “Well I am attacking your beliefs, am I not?”

    Nice try Stupid. You do not even know how or what to write for an assault. You have zero knowledge about any thing except your Porno Temple Indoctrination.

    You can not provoke me to write what you want me to write. You are dreaming green bucks as is the case for majority of Pathetic Hindus. Ends justifies the means for you money hungry nasty filth.

    Israel

    Is a name given to Prophet Jacob on whom be peace. Therefore it is a person and not place or territory. Israel (Jacob) had twelve sons, hence their children became the twelve tribes. Only one of these tribes that follow Judah son of Jacob (Israel) are Jews.

    Moses(pbuh) was none of them but Egyptian. Moses a prophet for the tribe of Israel and He left them disgusted on their own to wander for 40 years in Egyptian Sinai. He never took them to any Mideast nation.

    The scientific uncertainty about ‘Moses’ (pbuh) precise place in history of Egypt results mainly from the lack of fixed points concerning the time and place of many crucial occurrences in a remote culture, thousands of years ago.

    The oldest physically preserved manuscripts exist only in fragments that are no more than 2,100 years old. The occurrences related in the accounts of Moses happened almost 3,500 years ago.

    Egyptologist support numerous arguments against Moses living in the time of Ramses II who lived in 13 Century BCE.

    Moses refuge in Sinai occurred during Hatshepsut’s time that is the period of 200-300 years before Ramses II. Further more Moses came from Egyptian Royal Family and was not a ‘Hebrew’ and was envisioned to be a candidate for the Royal Throne.

    This is same as Prophet Enoch left Hind disgusted with your forefathers Idol worship, along with his 50 books.

    Dhul Kifl

    I wrote as per some tradition. That means its debatable. He may just be an religious pious man same as Buddha or Buddha himself.

    Ezekiel

    Most certainly not. He was under captivity along with Daniel and Jeremiah in Babylon.

    There is no re-incarnation garbage taught by any of the prophets except the resurrection of every body for judgement.

    Re : Aisha

    Her age is a concoction of Saba’ites.

    The Age of Aishah on her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
    by
    Sr Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood

    Considering the fame and status of this lady, it is somewhat amazing that her dates are not known for certain – a matter which has engendered some controversy.

    Most Muslims accept that Aishah was born in the 4th year of the Prophethood, ie 614 CE. This would mean that she was therefore only 6 years old at the time of her nikah (ie. official marriage) to the Prophet, with the physical consummation of their marriage when she was c9 years old. Needless to say, the controversy over the dates for Aishah’s birth and death affect the data concerning her birth and her age on her marriage to the Prophet.

    All authorities discussing the birth of Aishah take as the origin of their information one specific hadith recorded by Hisham b. Urwah, the son of Aishah’s own nephew Urwah. In it, Hisham stated that she was born in the fourth year of Prophethood – ie 614. This is taken as absolutely reliable information.

    The problem arises when it is realized that the same recorder, Hisham, also stated that she died at the age of 67 in 672/52, after a widowhood of 40 years. Take a moment to do the maths, and one sees that if Hisham is correct that she died in 672, she would only have been 58 when she died and not 67. Therefore, either his date for her birth or his date for her death must be wrong, they cannot both be correct. If it was true that she was 67 when she died in 672, then she was born in 605.

    It has also, alternatively, been said that she was 73 when she died. If she was 73 in 678 she was born in 605, and if she was 73 in 672 she was born in 599.

    All this affects her part in the narrative of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life in that if she was born in 614, then she would have been 6 when her nikah was performed, 9 in the year of her full marriage, and 17/18 when the Prophet (pbuh) died. But if she was born four years before the Prophethood, she would have been 15/16 at her nikah, 19 at her full marriage, and 27/28 when he died, and would have been 67 if her death was in 672/52, or 72-3 if she died in 678.

    Other sources claim she was five years younger than Fatimah, who was born 5 years before Prophethood. In this case Aishah would have been born in 610, and have been 10 at her nikah, 13/14 at marriage, 22 when he died and 62 when she died. (Unfortunately, Fatimah’s dates are also disputed).

    According to Ibn Umar, Aishah died on Tuesday 17th Ramadan 58/July 13th 678 at the age of either 64 or 66/67, which would mean she was born either in 614 or 611. If Ibn Umar’s dates are correct, and Aishah died in 678/58 at the age of 64, then she was indeed born in 614. Yet Aishah was claimed to have been one of the first children to accept Islam, and possibly the 19th person overall to have done so (Sirah, Ibn Hisham p.163) This would not be possible if she was not born until 614. Neither would she have been able to state, as recorded by Bukhari, that she remembered the revelation of Surah 54 (al-Qamar) coming when she was ‘quite grown up’ or ‘a playful girl’ (Bukhari 6.399) – since this revelation was given in c615, which would make her a year-old babe if she was only born in 614! I have preferred the date of 606 for her birth. The full case is argued in my booklet ‘Hazrat Aishah, A study of her age at the time of her marriage’, IPCI, Birmingham,1996).

    Adoption

    We do not adopt. If we do the adopted child keeps his / her last names and does not carry the name of adopted father. The adopted child is not entitle to adopted father inheritance other than adopted father gives it to him as Saddaqah. A Muslim nation is suppose to have institution to take care of these homeless children. Currently, Edhi Bilquis Foundation, world largest charity organization run by donation from public take care of these children in regards to shelter, food and education. They also take care of their matrimonial cost.

    This contrary to Dev Dasi system in your porno Temples.

    How come you had no response on the Filthy Hindu custom or practice that I wrote as follow:

    One Million baby girls are murdered annually at or before birth in India.

    40 Million widows are not allowed to seek a new husband. But, are used as prostitutes.

    30,000 young female brides are burnt annually for greed of dowry in Hindu Culture.

    Every 45 seconds a female child is kidnapped by Hindus to be sold as a child bride to much older man. Sometimes to multiple men of same family. Man rapes her. Brother rapes her. Father rapes her.

    Every 2 minutes a young girl or woman is raped by Hindus in India. Follow your own news and smile.

    1 out of 3 women in Delhi is raped.

    Poor Hindus sell their daughter to any buyer for 20 dollars.

    Sometime they leave their daughter as Dev Dasi in Temples. Where she is sold to top bidder to pop her cherry. Later used as Temple Prostitute, eventually dies of AIDS. May ALLAH grant these oppressed children Paradise and Hellfire for the oppressor.

    Have a nice time researching and rebutting.

  257. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Fantastic dear Sneha gulal.
    Your response/rebuttals are very interesting, not my cup of tea. But i do enjoy/appreciate your breadth of knowledge about islam.
    It is really afun to read ” hindu vs abrahamic alif laila”; Mythical story have other name ‘ alif laila’. But does science explains Aisha’a age of marriage. To repeat: in 7th cent marriage of ‘ Prepubertal girls’ was norm with believe that ‘her first meses must be wasted’ as it was considered as vital fluid in coneption. This was the science of the time and these marriages occured every where and continues with real GUSTO among hindus.
    I dont see any stigma on holy prophet in this or even polygamy. Please do remeber Islam’s prophet was ‘historical’human and had to folow the norms of the time.
    All moralities, polygamy, polyandry atc are human necessatied and be seen from ‘ comtemporary’ standard. Polyandry so called ‘ darupadi syndrom’ remains in practice among buddist/hindus now just a continuation of traditions od mideast cradle. It is though outdated by allmost hindus.
    Clash of alif lailas/leelas is indeed fun. Keep going.

  258. Waqqas · 3 weeks ago

    alansaralhaq

    You did not leave any ammo for me to use against Sneaki Gu Lal….Whats up?

    Way to go. Keep it up.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  259. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Ashoka’s Aramaic( old arabic).
    Read any history book on language/script, u will notice ancient lingua franca Akkadian/aramaic/assyrian or under modern name Arabic had connected the civilized world from 3000BC to 1800AD from Panjab to greece egypt and in between; A bit of intrusion had occured around 300-100 Bc by Greek.
    So called pakistan and afghanistan or Bacteria, was a persian province of elamitic iran about 500 BC 100BC whose language was aslo Aramaic and NOT PERSIAN. After grecian pull out Ashoka did maintain the same language policy. Very appropriately his inscription in afg/pak areas reaveal ” aramaic language and also script”. pl note that all scripts indian and european are derivatives of aramaic system.
    So in kandhhar and taxilla there are bilingual inscriptions using aramaic and pali written in brahmi script( a modified aramaic) as well as greek too.
    In the script ch 16 in my book this is detailed. One finds arabic words, BIDDAT, RAH, MALIK etc. Many people ( arayanist historian) thought Arabic came with Islamic invasions; this was off course an error. Dr malati Shindge in her exhaustic work shows that Akkadian had created Sanskrit and the former was perhaps the language of indus valley folks who seemed to have been migrant ancient mideasterners aka arabs now.

  260. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Dear Alansaralhaq sahab,
    Thanks for a great review of hindu myths. I learned a lot fron this . You and Waqqas sahab, seem to have great knowledge about hindu and Abrahamic myths. I do admire your faith ‘ myth as history’.
    I certainely feel comforted in my box but keep open the lid to recieve inspiration as i did from your comments. thanks again sir.

  261. Akhbar Navees · 3 weeks ago

    So some of Ahoka’s pillars had Aramaic/Arabic/Akkadian on them–and not Sanskrit. But Ashoka wasn’t around during that era!

    When did Persian come to Iran?

  262. alansaralhaq · 3 weeks ago

    For the record this was not about comparative religion but as usual to burst a zealot Hindus ego.
    We should now focus on the discussion “Pak Asia” which does not necessarily mean a Pakistani Asia but certainly the principals of our founding fathers restoring the Islamice legacy of Asia.

    This does not mean a Talibanisation of Asia but can also mean something as simple as a economic block, a more integrated Asia certainly for the sake of Islamic Central Asia maintaining good relationships with China, Russia and Europe linked to an Islamic Middle East and Maghreb.

    Dr. Khan our Islamic history certainly since the coming of The Final Prophet (S.A..W) is recorded and all we need to know about other great prophets we know through the Quran. For me I care very little about the Hindu faith but find it strange that believers of this polytheist faith can sometimes use accusations that in essence are entrenched within their faith to discredit another’s.

  263. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    ELAMITE to PERSIAN.
    Modern persian language, wrongly called ‘ aryan-indo-european’ from Japhet, son of flood survivor Biblical Noah, now has its own “real history”.
    As detailed in your current article rather very deligently and convincingly that Ancient sumerian plus ancient Akkadian, ancient egytian, constitute a “linguistic trio”–which later created sanskrit ( malti shidge); The trio, is the “maternal Matrix” of all the world lnguages, ie latin, greek, and modern persian, dravidian, hindi and urdu etc.
    From 3000 BC to 100BC, bactetrian/ iranian language was Elamite that had to absorbe the words, syntax etc from the OLDEST TRIO. Thus we see,Achemenian kings, cyrus, Darius, Cambyses etc, still using Elamite and also Akkadian which as said was the ‘lingua franca from india to egypt/greece. Elamite in cunieform and aramic script was active during Grecian phase( 300BC-100AD) and its vocabulary was at least 50 % aramaic/arabic-Some where about this time ” Zoarastrian” religion appeared and Zoaraster’s origin and his orignal language still not known( no contemporary record ala Buddha). Thus ala hindu books, Zoarastrian’s book, Avestaa, vedidad etc appeared late around 4-5 th cent AD same as bible. People started calling it Language of PARS– ie persian. So u see here again a process of cumulative evolution , and NOT a conqueror, invading and imposition his language.
    Dr David Mcalpine’s work is basic on Elamite, a close sister of Dravidian. So the story of persian is similar to story of Urdu/hindi ( my book) of hindustan or persian of iran or Turkish of turkey. There is a great need to reclassify languages based on grammer, syntax, and structure to replace the current one based on NOAH’s 3 nation theory. I have made perhaps the first such attempt in ch 17 of my book.
    Your article on ancient history is great; thanks for a update. Egypt has been down played abused/ ignored, perhaps because of Biblical fiction, exodus, Moses etc. We know that christian theolgy/rituals are all egyptian. And there is some evidence that Zoraster and Buddha were egyptian priests exiled by Cambyses the persian. Some egyptian words are found every where:
    Geb=hill gave us Geb/jeb Ra(lord) el( high)= Gebrael
    Kermit means black as the nile valley had turned black fertile. this contrasted red land non fertile. Egyptian word for red is Desert; so we got english word Desert. Another word DUN means land sorrounded by water an island; this gave us DUNIA and LYON-DUN= London.Word RA(lord/God) became RAB in summer, RAM/rai/rao etc in india. And chinese/tibetans cannot say R and use L instead; so we have LAM/LAMA from RAM/RAMA of Buddism.
    Sorry for long reply–advantage senior.

  264. Akhbar Navees · 3 weeks ago

    Thanks! Included in the new article

  265. Akhbar Navees · 3 weeks ago

    Brilliant beyond comprehension~~~ Excellent

    Gives us all food for though.

  266. Alansaralhaq · 3 weeks ago

    Dr Khan,

    You need to write a detailed article on this please, fascinating.

  267. Alansaralhaq · 3 weeks ago

    Dr Khan,

    Apologies if I am to show my lack of maturity on history can Khuzestan be the same as Khoristan and Khorasan, the evolution of what began in Susa and later as a result of the growing Persian Empire under Achaemenids.

    Regardless of faith, history is an interesting tool if anyone has the time to study as it keeps returning the natural balance and order on how civilisations begin, expand, influence and conquer all.

    In it’s simplicity time and time again it shows the civilisations of Mesopotamia, Persia and what came out of them at odds with the new civilisations from the Western World.

    Almost cyclic in nature, the East (the old world)overwhelmed by the new world (West) and of our time where the old world seeks to regain it’s independence we see the Western influence taking a subtle but historic bruising.

    Even the Chinese civilisation has gone full circle and back on top and maybe a little biased and a little romantic in notion of my fascination of the strategic importance of Pakistan. Surely it is the time for the Indus Civilisation, to go full circle too and influence the modern world again also or atleast reclaim some of it’s kudos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLhigt28jkw – modern civilisation is indebted to the great Persian Civilisation/s for so much including as Dr. Khan’s has rightfully educated us, the modern language.

  268. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Correction in egyptian words.
    Geb/gabe means earth not hill as i wrote . Geb was egyptian male earth god and in sumer/iraq it is GE/GI a female goddess became Ge of greek and from it we got gea, george, geology, geometry etc.
    Greek as we know has some 40% words from akkadian/egyptian-berber.

  269. Akhbar Navees · 3 weeks ago

    If I was Dr. Khan–I would say read the book and wait for the movie!

  270. Waqqas · 3 weeks ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan, you are almost coming to the avenue that will lead you to Qura’n's truth in its entirety and not Alif Laila stories.

    Re “There is a great need to reclassify languages based on grammar, syntax, and structure to replace the current one based on NOAH’s 3 nation theory”.

    The three nation theory is a racial concoction by racist self chosen ones. Re-structure? absolutely. Replace? Nada, but try it, you will have same results as I foresee. Further investigation for restructure? Absolutely.

    There exist various traditions in post-biblical sources claiming that Noah had children other than Shem, Ham, and Japheth — born variously before, during, or after the Deluge.

    According to the Quran (Hud v. 42–43), Noah had another unnamed son who refused to come aboard the Ark, instead preferring to climb a mountain, where he drowned. Some later Islamic commentators give his name as either Yam or Kan’an.

    An early Arabic work known as Kitab al-Magall or the Book of Rolls (part of Clementine literature) mentions Bouniter, the fourth son of Noah, born after the flood, who allegedly invented astronomy and instructed Nimrod.

    The Ark was loaded with animals and Noah’s household, together with 76 who did submit to God. The people who denied the message of Noah, including one of his own sons, drowned. The final resting place of the ship was referred to as Mount Judi. Noah is called a grateful servant.

    As per above, Noah has the fourth son and, 76 other believers aboard the ship, thereby, rendering the three nation theory as False and concoction by whoever.

    Re “Egypt has been down played abused/ ignored, perhaps because of Biblical fiction”.

    Egypt has been ignored for reasons but not down played. The western world has a great interest in Egyptology. You will notice the Pyramids style tops of recently built buildings all over the western world and Gulf States.

    Dr. Maurice Buccaille differs with you on the exodus theory. There was / is sufficient evidence at the sea of Aqaba that proves the destruction of Pharaoh and his forces.

    Egypt has a huge impact on civilization as re-iterated by you and others. If you believe that Arabic is the mother of all languages, which I do, then you are very close to affirming Qura’n in its entirety.

    Qur’an has a story with similarities to the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel, though set in the Egypt of Moses. In Surahs 28:38 and 40:36-37, Pharaoh asks Ha’man to build him a stone, or clay tower so that he can mount up to heaven and confront the God of Moses.

    Another story in Surah 2:102 mentions the name of Babil, but tells of when the two angels Harut and Marut taught the people of Babylon the tricks of magic and warned them that magic is a sin and that their teaching them magic is a test of faith.

    A tale about Babil appears more fully in the writings of Yaqut and the Lisan el-Arab, but without the tower: mankind were swept together by winds into the plain that was afterward called ‘Babil’, where they were assigned their separate languages by God, and were then scattered again in the same way. In the History of the Prophets and Kings by the 9th century Muslim theologian at-Tabari, a fuller version is given: Nimrod has the tower built in Babil, God destroys it, and the language of mankind, formerly Syriac, is then confused into 72 languages. Another Muslim historian of the 13th century, Abu al-Fida relates the same story, adding that the patriarch Eber (an ancestor of Abraham) was allowed to keep the original tongue, because he would not partake in the building.

    The Original tongue is none other than Aramaic / Arabic.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  271. Alansaralhaq · 3 weeks ago

    Yes I should read the book :)

    Waqas sahib as ever a great read but Dr. Khan I believe refers to Qu’ranic miracles and events as Alif Laila and is shall we say a different kind of believer.

    Although I too take offence comparing Qu’ran scripture and authenticity with Vedic nonsensequel mumbo jumbo which evolved through word of mouth in the “absence of an authentic scripture” which Sneha alluded too.

    Islam is based on Quranic principle and remains the only authentic unchanged revelation which is directly attributed to the creator.

    But let us not turn this intocomparative religion and I beleive Akbar bhai needs t moderate this board henceforth and not post comparative religious rebuttals and focus on the topic.

    The topic being Pak Asia and where history does play an important part in understanding what was here before it was glossed over y British revisionist and hijacked as age old history by certain quarters of South Asia.

    Pak Asia – is very capable as it is reclaiming not just Islamic Central Asia but the true essence of the region and how it has always existed as an integrated region and influenced the wider world pre and post Islam.

  272. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Dear Alansaralhaq sahab,
    Thanks for good words; i think u will find my book uesful. So heed akhbar’s advice.
    Your question about Suza etc: First language science is really ‘ slimy’and highly political/racist. Qoran is the only book that makes it non recist ‘ secular human vehicle’( my book ch2). Ancient sumerian and egyptian too were ‘ mono syllabics’ turning into polysyllaic with attaching 2 mono syllables eg ab ( water) su ( sweet)= ABSU etc.
    SUZA: su=sweet, ZA/zi= look/see/sciene/manzar etc.
    Khu= eat in sumerian=khurdan in pers; khu can become Khor as well( sharab khor) and meaning can also change ( it is slimy). Istan/asthan/Ishtan etc too can be slimy but the root seems to be akkadian Ish/iesh=life eg goddess ISHTAR with 100s of words, Star, stahl, ester,ausria, australia,asteroids, astrology etc. even sitara.
    I will be very carefull as language science is ” greatest apology” of biblical creationist/racism. There are many lies i have exposed in the book. The u tube on elamite is great, thnaks but again it is ‘ aryanist/racist’.

  273. Dr abdul jamil khan · 3 weeks ago

    Arabic out of africa, my opium/box:
    Qibla Waqqas Sahab,
    Your faith in Qoranic stories/revelations as evidence of “real history” is unshakable/admirable.
    Qoran, does not claim about arabic as ‘Uniqely divine’( see my ch 2 in urdu/hindi an artificial divide).Language story like man is from Africa aftr a genetic mutation of Chromosome #7( see same ch2)when man started speaking ‘ consonants+vowels=human language’about 100,000 yrs ago.This gene now called FOXp2 ( see its image at google) is famous as speech gene. Arabic evolved very slowly after that from mono to polysyllabism and got inflected later( 3000 Bc) and we do know it as Akkadian, sumerian,egyptian etc. My attempted reclassification of languages( ch17) is from Africa discrediting NOAH’s 3-4 sons and bible’s linguistic racism.
    It is amazing that U still believe that biblical editors did not plagiarize the flood story from ” sumerian orignal myth” timed as of 42,000 yrs.
    Qoran had meant to reorganize the society and cleanse it of ” priestology, semitic/Aryan chosen racism,exploitation of women and poor/blacks etc”.Qoranic stories inclusive of Abraham, MOses, Exodusetc are tracks to modern reforms and perfection of human rights. Pl read the sumeian’s flood in Gilgamesh epic, the basic of all religious genesis including of Hindu brothers. My faith in Mohammad pbuh amounts to ” the only historic prophet” documented by history remains solid. I see this/his light in UNO charter and US bill of rights. Your faith in biblical creationism and its prophets is worthy of respect as much as the other ALIF LEELAS/OPIUMS of brotherly humans, jews, christians, hindus, jains, chinese etc.

  274. Waqqas · 3 weeks ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan

    Qibla Dr. Sahib..We are talking same stuff, differences are, I am taking into account both Qura’n and Science while you are emphasizing proven Science only, with some variations, though 70% of animal writings (cuneiform) of Gilgamesh on triangular mud paste or baby scratches are lost. Ofcourse its your right to believe in mud paste, rather than written words of ALLAH in Arabic.

    Re “Your faith in Qoranic stories/revelations as evidence of “real history” is unshakable/admirable”

    Thank you. You will be my witness on the day of judgement. Insha’ALLAH, whether you like it or otherwise.

    Re “Qoran, does not claim about arabic as ‘Uniqely divine’ language”.

    Implication suggest to be so. Here is a Qura’nic proof.

    “And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. (31) They said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Know-er, the Wise. (32) He said: O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide. Surah Baqarah.

    This Last message is in Arabic to all Human kind and not limited to Arabs, thus you see all the different people, tribes, nation trying very hard to learn Arabic to please the Creator when they revert to Islam. ALLAH taught Adam all the names in Arabic that which the Angels did not know. Adam brought down the same knowledge on Earth and taught his children the same. That is why I wrote previously and you also agree that Arabic is the mother of all languages. From this Arabic languages, spouted all the other forms or branches of Languages.

    Re “genetic mutation”

    May I ask, who did the genetic mutation? Please name the Laboratory that did the genetic mutation and under whose supervision? Please do not tell me that it was Annunaki and his 2 sons viz Enlil and Enki. That would surely be Hilarious.

    Re “Chromosome #7″

    I am not a Scientist nor do I claim to be scholar or author of any kind, as this is your field. But mutation of Chromosome as reason to speak a distinctive language from mono to polysyllable would be rather unwarranted.
    As polysyllabic would be difficult to pronounce and to understand. Further more FOXp2 is the cause of Williams syndrome (WS) often have heart problems, characteristic facial appearance, a unique personality – usually overly friendly, delays in development, and some degree of mental retardation and learning disabilities. Then explain how is Genetic Mutation as cause of learning a Language. When ALLAH is the ONE WHO made Adam and taught him all that he knows including the speaking mechanism name it what ever in scientific terms.

    Re “It is amazing that U still believe that biblical editors did not plagiarize the flood story from ” sumerian orignal myth” timed as of 42,000 yrs”.

    Amazing indeed. Your 42,000 does not make any sense.

    The Sumerians formulated lists of their ancient kings, and gave them extremely long reigns. The time BEFORE the flood was said to be a period of 432,000 years. Two kings from after the flood that are listed were Gilgamesh and Tammuz. Legends told about these two kings were so impressive that Tammuz entered the pantheon of Babylon and later became known as Adonis to the Greeks.

    After the Flood

    A total of thirty-nine kings ruled for 14409+N years, 3 months and 3½ days; four dynasties in Kiš.

    A total of twenty-two kings ruled for 2610+N years, 6 months and 15 days; five dynasties in Uruk.

    A total of twelve kings ruled for 396 years, 3 dynasties in Ur.

    A total of three kings ruled for 356 years; one dynasty in Awan.

    A total of one king ruled for 420 years; one dynasty in Hamazi.

    A total of one king ruled for 90 years; one dynasty in Adab.

    A total of six kings ruled for 136 years; one dynasty in Mari.

    A total of six kings ruled for 99 years; one dynasty in Akšak.

    A total of eleven kings ruled for 197 years; one dynasty in Agade.

    A total of twenty-one kings ruled for 125 years and 40 days; one dynasty in Gutium.

    A total of eleven kings ruled for 159 years; one dynasty in Isin.

    Eleven royal cities. Their total: 134 kings. Total: 28,876+N years, N months, N days.

    The two kings including Gilgamesh was after the Flood. Therefore not surprisingly he noted what he was told by his elders and most of his baby scratching is lost or destroyed in 2003 war in Iraq. So we do not have a full account of Flood of Noah from Gilgamesh, but from Qura’n.

    As I wrote earlier Noah had 76 people aboard besides his sons. The people spread and recounted their stories to their descendents. Their descendents recounted what they heard from their forefathers with addition or subtraction. So then if a Prophet comes later and tells his people the true story of Noah, it is definitely not plagiarized from baby scratches on mud.

    I did not talk about Bible as most of it is worthless document. Soon they will delete ‘Son of Man’ from it, as it is pointing to Muhammad (pbuh).

    Re “Abraham, MOses, Exodus, Jesus etc”

    I will deal with it some other time Insha’ALAH. It will take 20+ pages to prove it archeologically. Though I am afraid it might get lost like my 9 pages response to ‘Venus’.

    Other than that we are on same page. And may I add. Me on my opium, and you on your opium.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  275. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 weeks ago

    Cunieforms, the mother of arabic writing:
    Dear qibla Waqqas sahab
    I really admire your knowledge and extensive reading and most admirable to repeat is your faith. I notice now that your strength is driven by your confession that u are not a student of science.
    But i feel you do have some ability to understand and comment on sciences. Let me clarify few items from your comments.
    Cunieform writing system: Being the oldest, it is the root of all writing including arabic. I will appreciate if u can read the ch16 of my book about this. These writing were created by human intellect which is gift of Allah.To call it baby scratches on mud is understandable if some one does not believe that these were too Allah’s creativity via his agents–human.
    Sumerian’s Gilgamesh: U seem to percieve that i have faith in it. Bhai, this is also Alif leela but the oldest one and been copied by Biblical creationist. I dont believe in Adam/ eve story as ” true history’-but mere allegories; I still believe that refuting this is not against islam. My faith is centered on Qoran,Mohammad pbuh and evolution out of africa which now taught in school from 3-4th grade in USA.Wether i will be in hell or not is only known to Allah.
    Genetic mutation/Foxp2 or speeech gene is a science and in future may be out dated by new science who knows but science will stay on its islamic path to seek knowledge /truth. Genetic mutation is explained in my book for ‘ lay people’. We know that we and chimpanzees are 98 % similar in genetic make up. Chromosome # 7 did develope a change( mutation another word for change)about 100,000 yrs ago. Untill then man perhaps made vowel sound only ‘a,e,i,o,u, and had ability to converse with his animal friends( SOLOMAN’s myth may be its remote echo). This gene, initiated consonental speech-b,d,k,etc; Sumerian,s speech is simplest mono syllables; eg, Ma/ama, pa/ba/aba, aka( brother), nin=lady, kha=eat,kar=do etc.These monos,were joined to make more complicated and arabic represents advanced and ‘ most inflected’ regional desert speech and mother of ” musical poetary”–all accept this ( my book on arabic).
    After speeach, man initiated writing very late ( 3500 BC) and pictorial of egypt and cunniefrms later evolved into Alphabets as explained in my work.But hindus retain their faith that sanskrit + it alpbabets are part of creations of 1.7 million yrs ala jews that GOD spoke hebrew to Adam( ~6000yrsago) and gave written hebrew tablet to MOses ( se charlton heston in ten commandments). Look at the progressive and historical Qoran ( 43;3, 41:43,41:44) cited in my book; numerous prophets recieving divine messages in their own languages–it is a slap on hindu and jewish creationists.
    We learn great stories from missionaries some times. Missionaris in Germany ( 7-8th cent) discovered ” Ester” celebration by pagans and in 16th cent in mexico they found ” celebration of “VIRGIN BORN SON”–a chrismas. Holy sea took a position and they were told this:” GOD’s plan to send his virgin borne son was leaked to SATAN and this GUY had created/sent a fake son”.They were thus convinced of the true christ and adopted true ” Christianity”. In real history we know that ” egyptian isis/osiris/horus” trinity had reached Americas in ancient history about 1000 BC.( aramic inscription are extant there).
    Same funny thing happend with a orthodoax rabbaie, a friend, who had seen my book before publication. HE said that cunnieforms were created by SATAN, to beat hebrew. SO these mud/baby scrathes have been commented upon variously.
    IT seems u dont have access to my book. I will feel obliged if u can take a look and provide your valuable comments. If u are not in USA, i will help send it you. I certainly feel obliged to RN, to let me have access to learned men likes of you and others.Regards/best wishes.

  276. sneha gulal · 2 weeks ago

    @ Waqqas :
    Re the proverb : I understand that proverb doesn’t mean one actually going to the hajj, it means that after comitting crime, a person tries to show the world that he is sinless of that very crime. I referred that to you since you have insulted us and our religion and now pretending to be hurt when we question your religion.
    If you have a different understanding of the proverb, then good for you and there is no need for us to debate about it.

    Re : Iris : so big deal, I made a spelling error, Isis I wrote as Iris, but that’s no reason for you to behave like a 7 year old school girl and taunt me about it,that too in two posts continuously! Grow up sir. The spelling mistake is not the issue here. I had mentioned Iris (Isis), in relation to Mary. Even Isis gave a virgin birth, and this is stated by many Muslim websites to insult Mary. Rupee news is no different, when they thoughtlessly published the article on Christmas Day itself citing many virgin births in history. The double standard is so obvious here, how some of you defend Mary’s virginity yet some of you write articles to defame her virgin status, or in Navees’s words …”simply report” . But I will not join the Muslim bandwagon and still stick to my principles. Anything I quote on Mary or Jesus, pleasant or unpleasant, I will quote it from Christian sources, not Muslim as I believe Muslim sources are corrupted and biased. When did I mention Isis to be a god ? She is a female therefore English language dictates us to refer her a goddess. Not only you LIED but you had to istifagar to justify this lie.

    Erasing the scriptures : please read again, I had mentioned in my post about you Muslims erasing history related to Judaism and Christianity, including parts of the Bible and Torah. This is how the Quran was created. Of course there is no reason for you to alter the Quran now, it serves your Mohammedan religion perfectly.

    Quran being memorized : you are telling us Hindus about memorizing our scriptures. Didn’t you know the Vedas was transferred from generation to generation through memory before the invention of writing. When there were no writing that’s when memory was needed. In today’s technology of writing and typing and computer, memorizing something is useless. Besides we Hindus neednt worry, even in the Vedas were erased from the Earth, our Lord, as promised, would come down as Avatar and teach the eternal Vedas again. Your Allah wouldn’t do the same as he has ran out of his quota of prophets with “the last and best of all” Muhammad.

    Re : the student killing his teacher :
    Teachers are highly honoured in Hindu traditions. Who has appointed the student as “protector” of the Quran only the devil knows, but that doesn’t justify the killing. But it does justify my point of Islam being violent. Salman Rushide, Asia Bibi, Asma binti Marwan are proofs of the past and present opposers of Islam.

    Re Adam sent to Hind :
    Yes of course he was sent to India. Now I can tell my Indonesian Muslim friends to stop their beliefs that Adam and Eve was banished to the Safa and Marwah hills.
    Can you elaborate which part of Hind was Adam sent to ?

    Adam being a myth : you have not answered my question ” how can the entire humanity come from one single father and mother ?” Instead you quoted Hindu theories. I understand this question is not taught in Madrasahs. You can go to a real school and ask a biology teacher if such a thing is possible. I ll give you a clue : genetic study.
    And no Adam is not Brahma. I never said that. L I A R.
    Through genetic study, you ll agree with the Hindu theory that humans did not originate from a single person but from multiple persons.

    Adam and incest : so u admit that Islam says humanity began from incest relationship and it was approved during the time of Adam till the 3rd prophet ! Hindus reject this disgusting theory. Doesn’t matter if the 4 th prophet forbade it. Its already done. If incest was forbidden it should not have been enforced in the first place. What a ridiculously fickle minded your Allah is. 1st Prophet Okay for incest. 4 th prophet NO for incest. First face Jerusalem to pray after sometime.. face to Mecca! :)
    We’ re talking about ancient characters here please don’t go to the 21st century to find cases of incest and waste time.

    Re Lingum : it is not only worshipped by women but men alike. Don’t LIE. There is a yoni like structure attached to the Kabah which you kiss when you circle it without fully understanding why.

    Sanathana Dharma and Hindusim : it is not for you to decide which one is which. Hindusim is an English term for Sanathana Dharma. All of us follow the eternal / Sanathana Vedas therefore we are followers of Sanathana Dharma.
    On the other hand, you Muslims do not belief in the same concept. To be a Muslim, one must accept Muhammad as a final messenger. Simply believing in Quran and Allah is not enough, as evident by the fate of the Ahmadiyahs. Western scholars therefore have correctly renamed your religion as Mohammedan.

    Vedas not mentioned in Quran : I asked you this question, I did not ask Allah. If you can’t answer simply say so. I am afraid won’t have the pleasure of meeting Allah as I believe I ll go to heaven, not the brothel of big eyed virgins.

    Violence in the Torah VS violence in the Quran : don’t try to justify your Quranic violent verses with that of the Torah. Read again,most of the violent verses of Torah signifies things of the past. Events that have happened. While Quran’s verses is open ended. It encourages battle with non Muslims than can be used continuously till the present. Muslims often justify their violent verses with the “merciful” ones. But that mercy comes with a price, accept Islam or pay tax. That for me is not mercy, that’s blackmail. And Muslim terrorist today indentify their terror with those Quranic verses. You yourself have referred to me as “rebellious” simply because I am not a Muslim. What will you do next..slay me whenever you find me ? Exact words of your Quran, isn’t it ? Well I am attacking your beliefs, am I not ? As per Quran that justifies you to kill me right ? :)

    Re Prophets out of Mid East : there we go again. You have again stated Adam to be sent to Hind with no proof. And now more prophets have sent to Hind, again based on your Madrasah fantasies ! Hind seems to be full of Muslims propehts, but strangely Sanathan Dharma with its idols of Gods triumphed. Ck Ck Ck what a tragedy !
    Moses although born in Egypt, did not stay to preach in Africa, he was a prophet of Israel, a Mid East nation, and is confirmed in Deutronomy 34:10 “There has never been another prophet in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face” Do you see Africa here Waqqas ?

    Re : Dhul Fikl : you have stated him to be Lord Buddha ( now its my turn…Astaghfirullah) whereas authors like Ibn Khatr and other Muslims have doubted that he is even a prophet, and yet some say he might be Ezekiel. Your imaginations and lies have gone too wild Waqqas. The teachings of Lord Buddha is far from Dhul’s teachings. I have mentioned in a post of a different topic about Lord Buddha’s teachings of Karma and Reincarnation, which Muslims can’t even fanthom as your “prophets” never taught you this. You had responded with LIES that reincarnation doesn’t exist in Buddhism which I replied with proofs.
    Buddhist prefer to call reincarnation as “rebirth” or in Pali, Punnabhava.
    Another of Lord Buddha’s teaching is to achieve peace by observing meditation in silence. We Hindus do that, and now the whole world does it during yoga. Muslims on the other hand begin their prayer with ear deafening sounds. Thank goodness Indonesia will soon make laws to regulate the those loud noises. Hope other nations will join soon. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/in-indonesia-mosque-cacophony-under-scrutiny/534346

    Re : Aisha
    Muslim apologetics are doing their best to “increase” the age of Aisha by connecting several incidents. We have a word for that in English language, its called “manipulation”. Your own history books state the facts very clearly yet you out of shame for the deeds of your prophet try to hide it.
    Aisha reported: “Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.”
    Sahih Muslim 8:3310
    Which part of this verse didn’t you understand?

    I have a PDF file of Shahi Bukhari stored my phone which states the following :
    Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
    Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151

    It makes my stomach churn just to imagine the incident in the above verse.
    I don’t have to tell you what Shahi means. If you do not agree with the above verses, then the entire Hadiths should be abandoned. Some Muslims aren’t willing to do that. They wouldn’t sacrifice their religion to save the face of their prophet. They are rightfully called Muslims as opposed to people like you, the Mohammedans, who blindly hold Mohammad above everything else.

    Re : adoption.
    You have horrible adoption laws. Even if you adopt a female child, doesn’t automatically make her your muhrim which allows you to marry your own adopted daughter! Just because for you its allright doesn’t make it right for us. The whole non Muslim world condemns Mohammad marrying his daughter in law, irrespective of your adoption laws. No wonder you are so concerned with female babies buried alive. Why bury them when you can marry them ?:)
    Pre Islamic Arabia burying their female babies are products of fantasies of the fat Imams of Mecca. This has been refuted by Arab scholars themselves.
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/10/187514.html

    @Alanhaq : from where did you get such fantasy material in regard to horse sacrifice ? What is the purpose of the queens sleeping with the horse ? State the proper verses if such things are found in the books.
    Don’t concern with our flying Gods, your propehts midnight adventure with a flying horse to negotiate number of shalats is a laughing matter to us as well. If you start with me Alan, on topic of Gods, then I will give you fitting reply each time

  277. Senha · 2 weeks ago

    @ Waqqas :
    Re the proverb : I understand that proverb doesn’t mean one actually going to the hajj, it means that after comitting crime, a person tries to show the world that he is sinless of that very crime. I referred that to you since you have insulted us and our religion and now pretending to be hurt when we question your religion.
    If you have a different understanding of the proverb, then good for you and there is no need for us to debate about it.

    Re : Iris : so big deal, I made a spelling error, Isis I wrote as Iris, but that’s no reason for you to behave like a 7 year old school girl and taunt me about it,that too in two posts continuously! Grow up sir. The spelling mistake is not the issue here. I had mentioned Iris (Isis), in relation to Mary. Even Isis gave a virgin birth, and this is stated by many Muslim websites to insult Mary. Rupee news is no different, when they thoughtlessly published the article on Christmas Day itself citing many virgin births in history. The double standard is so obvious here, how some of you defend Mary’s virginity yet some of you write articles to defame her virgin status, or in Navees’s words …”simply report” . But I will not join the Muslim bandwagon and still stick to my principles. Anything I quote on Mary or Jesus, pleasant or unpleasant, I will quote it from Christian sources, not Muslim as I believe Muslim sources are corrupted and biased. When did I mention Isis to be a god ? She is a female therefore English language dictates us to refer her a goddess. Not only you LIED but you had to istifagar to justify this lie.

    Erasing the scriptures : please read again, I had mentioned in my post about you Muslims erasing history related to Judaism and Christianity, including parts of the Bible and Torah. This is how the Quran was created. Of course there is no reason for you to alter the Quran now, it serves your Mohammedan religion perfectly.

    Quran being memorized : you are telling us Hindus about memorizing our scriptures. Didn’t you know the Vedas was transferred from generation to generation through memory before the invention of writing. When there were no writing that’s when memory was needed. In today’s technology of writing and typing and computer, memorizing something is useless. Besides we Hindus neednt worry, even in the Vedas were erased from the Earth, our Lord, as promised, would come down as Avatar and teach the eternal Vedas again. Your Allah wouldn’t do the same as he has ran out of his quota of prophets with “the last and best of all” Muhammad.

    Re : the student killing his teacher :
    Teachers are highly honoured in Hindu traditions. Who has appointed the student as “protector” of the Quran only the devil knows, but that doesn’t justify the killing. But it does justify my point of Islam being violent. Salman Rushide, Asia Bibi, Asma binti Marwan are proofs of the past and present opposers of Islam.

    Re Adam sent to Hind :
    Yes of course he was sent to India. Now I can tell my Indonesian Muslim friends to stop their beliefs that Adam and Eve was banished to the Safa and Marwah hills.
    Can you elaborate which part of Hind was Adam sent to ?

    Adam being a myth : you have not answered my question ” how can the entire humanity come from one single father and mother ?” Instead you quoted Hindu theories. I understand this question is not taught in Madrasahs. You can go to a real school and ask a biology teacher if such a thing is possible. I ll give you a clue : genetic study.
    And no Adam is not Brahma. I never said that. L I A R.
    Through genetic study, you ll agree with the Hindu theory that humans did not originate from a single person but from multiple persons.

    Adam and incest : so u admit that Islam says humanity began from incest relationship and it was approved during the time of Adam till the 3rd prophet ! Hindus reject this disgusting theory. Doesn’t matter if the 4 th prophet forbade it. Its already done. If incest was forbidden it should not have been enforced in the first place. What a ridiculously fickle minded your Allah is. 1st Prophet Okay for incest. 4 th prophet NO for incest. First face Jerusalem to pray after sometime.. face to Mecca! :)
    We’ re talking about ancient characters here please don’t go to the 21st century to find cases of incest and waste time.

    Re Lingum : it is not only worshipped by women but men alike. Don’t LIE. There is a yoni like structure attached to the Kabah which you kiss when you circle it without fully understanding why.

    Sanathana Dharma and Hindusim : it is not for you to decide which one is which. Hindusim is an English term for Sanathana Dharma. All of us follow the eternal / Sanathana Vedas therefore we are followers of Sanathana Dharma.
    On the other hand, you Muslims do not belief in the same concept. To be a Muslim, one must accept Muhammad as a final messenger. Simply believing in Quran and Allah is not enough, as evident by the fate of the Ahmadiyahs. Western scholars therefore have correctly renamed your religion as Mohammedan.

    Vedas not mentioned in Quran : I asked you this question, I did not ask Allah. If you can’t answer simply say so. I am afraid won’t have the pleasure of meeting Allah as I believe I ll go to heaven, not the brothel of big eyed virgins.

    Violence in the Torah VS violence in the Quran : don’t try to justify your Quranic violent verses with that of the Torah. Read again,most of the violent verses of Torah signifies things of the past. Events that have happened. While Quran’s verses is open ended. It encourages battle with non Muslims than can be used continuously till the present. Muslims often justify their violent verses with the “merciful” ones. But that mercy comes with a price, accept Islam or pay tax. That for me is not mercy, that’s blackmail. And Muslim terrorist today indentify their terror with those Quranic verses. You yourself have referred to me as “rebellious” simply because I am not a Muslim. What will you do next..slay me whenever you find me ? Exact words of your Quran, isn’t it ? Well I am attacking your beliefs, am I not ? As per Quran that justifies you to kill me right ? :)

    Re Prophets out of Mid East : there we go again. You have again stated Adam to be sent to Hind with no proof. And now more prophets have sent to Hind, again based on your Madrasah fantasies ! Hind seems to be full of Muslims propehts, but strangely Sanathan Dharma with its idols of Gods triumphed. Ck Ck Ck what a tragedy !
    Moses although born in Egypt, did not stay to preach in Africa, he was a prophet of Israel, a Mid East nation, and is confirmed in Deutronomy 34:10 “There has never been another prophet in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face” Do you see Africa here Waqqas ?

    Re : Dhul Fikl : you have stated him to be Lord Buddha ( now its my turn…Astaghfirullah) whereas authors like Ibn Khatr and other Muslims have doubted that he is even a prophet, and yet some say he might be Ezekiel. Your imaginations and lies have gone too wild Waqqas. The teachings of Lord Buddha is far from Dhul’s teachings. I have mentioned in a post of a different topic about Lord Buddha’s teachings of Karma and Reincarnation, which Muslims can’t even fanthom as your “prophets” never taught you this. You had responded with LIES that reincarnation doesn’t exist in Buddhism which I replied with proofs.
    Buddhist prefer to call reincarnation as “rebirth” or in Pali, Punnabhava.
    Another of Lord Buddha’s teaching is to achieve peace by observing meditation in silence. We Hindus do that, and now the whole world does it during yoga. Muslims on the other hand begin their prayer with ear deafening sounds. Thank goodness Indonesia will soon make laws to regulate the those loud noises. Hope other nations will join soon. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/in-indonesia-mosque-cacophony-under-scrutiny/534346

    Re : Aisha
    Muslim apologetics are doing their best to “increase” the age of Aisha by connecting several incidents. We have a word for that in English language, its called “manipulation”. Your own history books state the facts very clearly yet you out of shame for the deeds of your prophet try to hide it.
    Aisha reported: “Allah’s Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.”
    Sahih Muslim 8:3310
    Which part of this verse didn’t you understand?

    I have a PDF file of Shahi Bukhari stored my phone which states the following :
    Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
    Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151

    It makes my stomach churn just to imagine the incident in the above verse.
    I don’t have to tell you what Shahi means. If you do not agree with the above verses, then the entire Hadiths should be abandoned. Some Muslims aren’t willing to do that. They wouldn’t sacrifice their religion to save the face of their prophet. They are rightfully called Muslims as opposed to people like you, the Mohammedans, who blindly hold Mohammad above everything else.

    Re : adoption.
    You have horrible adoption laws. Even if you adopt a female child, doesn’t automatically make her your muhrim which allows you to marry your own adopted daughter! Just because for you its allright doesn’t make it right for us. The whole non Muslim world condemns Mohammad marrying his daughter in law, irrespective of your adoption laws. No wonder you are so concerned with female babies buried alive. Why bury them when you can marry them ?:)
    Pre Islamic Arabia burying their female babies are products of fantasies of the fat Imams of Mecca. This has been refuted by Arab scholars themselves.
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/10/187514.html

    @Alanhaq : from where did you get such fantasy material in regard to horse sacrifice ? What is the purpose of the queens sleeping with the horse ? State the proper verses if such things are found in the books.
    Don’t concern with our flying Gods, your propehts midnight adventure with a flying horse to negotiate number of shalats is a laughing matter to us as well. If you start with me Alan, on topic of Gods, then I will give you fitting reply each time..

  278. Waqqas · 2 weeks ago

    Sneha Gu Lal

    You are out of material. Keep on repeating same old GARBAGE. That is why I wrote in my last post to you-” Have a nice time researching and rebutting”.

    You can not prove falsehood. As falsehood is bound to fall. Your mind is messed up due to Temple Indoctrination. Garbage in, Garbage out.

    Take a dip in your filthy mother Ganga and stay put so the filth from Ganga can penetrate you, make you more frustrated and filthy.

  279. alansaralhaq · 2 weeks ago

    Not sure if this is terror on sneaks part or rupee news.
    If not then the above is a regurgitation from Sneha.

    If you scroll up I have written where beastiality was a Hindu practice as practiced by Kaushalya.

    I suggest we keep the discussion in line with the topic which is Pak Asia.
    I suggest rupee news control digression away frothy real discussion beginning with Sneha’s duplicate email or regurgitation..

  280. Waqqas · 2 weeks ago

    Dr abdul jamil khan

    I understand you and your works. I was pulling your leg, for entertainment. I apologize.

    You have mentioned ( 43;3, 41:43,41:44 ) verses in your book. Please read further on the verse 41:55 & 56

    “So when they angered Us, We punished them, and drowned them all. (55) And We made them a precedent (as a lesson for those coming after them), and an example to later generations. (56)

    That is the WORDS of ALLAH, proving the destruction of Pharaoh and his forces Ala drowning. Here is where Dr. Maurice Bucaille got overwhelmed and reverted to Islam. Abdallah Jan had written a piece on this subject, if you recall.

    If you go further down on same chapter to verse # 61 that translates-

    ” And he ['?s? (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) [i.e. '?s?'s (Jesus) descent on the earth][] . Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allâh) (i.e. be obedient to Allâh and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islâmic Monotheism, leading to Allâh and to His Paradise).

    The above verse (sign) is about to consummate in yours and mine lifetime, Insha’ALLAH, as we are coming to that particle threshold.

    And believe in ALLAH’S WORDS. Its not an Alif Laila story.

    I am a US citizen of Kashmiri origin living in U S A.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  281. Akhbar Navees · 2 weeks ago

    Haq:

    If you notice the comments posted are usually old replays of flamebaits posted on all sites that they don’t like.

    We respond to educate our own folks, like you do

  282. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 weeks ago

    Dear Waqqas bhai Kashmiri ASAK,
    Please do read my work; there is nothing to boast but an honest use my retirementn time.U certanely will learn something as we all do from ‘most stupid’ of works.
    best wishes.

  283. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 weeks ago

    Dear Waqqas bhai Kashmiri ASAK,
    Please do read my work; there is nothing to boast but an honest use my retirementn time.U certanely will learn something as we all do from ‘most stupid’ of works.
    best wishes.

  284. Dr abdul jamil khan · 2 weeks ago

    Dear Waqqas bhai Kashmiri ASAK,
    Please do read my work; there is nothing to boast but an honest use my retirementn time.U certanely will learn something as we all do from ‘most stupid’ of works.
    best wishes.

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