While the sizzle vs. sizzle controversy rages in Bharat between the scientists and engineers who monitored and embellished the results of the Bharati tests a decade ago, the Delhi press has been shocked to learn about the successful nuclear program of Pakistan. Indian “Nuclear” Duds: Scientists question Kalam’s credentials-confirm fizzle.
Santhanam said on August 26 that “based on the seismic measurements and also the opinion from experts there was a much lower yield in the thermonuclear device test” conducted at Pokhran in May 1998. In nuclear parlance, a test is described as a fizzle when it fails to meet the desired yield. Affirming that India would need more tests, Santhanam cautioned against India being pressurized into signing the CTBT. Asia Times. India battles with nuclear fallout By Ninan Koshy
A year ago, when RAW agents were rampaging Swat, the irrdentist Bharati media and the revanchist public fed on a steady diet of Pakistanphobia had begun to imagine hegemony galore for Bharat. A series of reverses in the defense field–namely the fact that the Bharati Nuclear test were duds, the Bharati Nuclear Submarine sailed without a nuclear power reactor or any other power source, the DRDO flagellating the Department of Defence for overpaying by 60% for an obsolete Air Carft Carrier and the general malaise in the missile production program–have trimmed down the swollen head of those who reside on the Ganges Valley. Pakistan’s robust Nuclear & Missile prowess growing fast–US scientists India’s ‘98 Nuclear duds complicate 123 deal with USA and CTBT signing.
It is this claim of perfection that is under serious challenge and generally believed to be dubious, if not hollow. Prominent scientists such as A Gopalkrishnan, former chairman of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board and P K Iyengar are in agreement with the criticism of Santhanam and point out that the single thermonuclear device India tested in 1998 did not function at all as per design and did not produce anything near the expected design yield. Asia Times. India battles with nuclear fallout By Ninan Koshy
This Times of India (TOI) report is an eye opener. The TOI personally called Hans Kristensen and asked him poignant questions about Pakistan’s Nuclear program and its missiles.
![Chaghai: Pakistan’s first nuclear test take place underground but shakes the mountains above it. [Source: Associated Press]](http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pakistans-nuclear-tests.jpg "Pakistan's Nuclear Tests at Chaghai")
Chaghai: Pakistan’s first nuclear test take place underground but shakes the mountains above it. [Source: Associated Press
In a paper written for the Bulletin for Atomic Scientists, Robert Norris of the Natural Resources Defense Council and Hans Kristensen of the Federation of American Scientists say Pakistan is “busily enhancing its capabilities across the board,” with new nuclear-capable ballistic missiles being readied for deployment, and two nuclear capable cruise missiles under development.
Two new plutonium production reactors and a second chemical separation facility also are under construction.
The paper essentially upgrades Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal both quantitatively (from 60 weapons last year to 70-90 now) and qualitatively — from uranium-base to being plutonium-centric.
“The fact that they are preparing nuclear-capable cruise missiles suggests their scientists have been able to miniaturize nuclear warheads by using plutonium,” Kristensen told ToI. “They are shifting their nuclear base from uranium to plutonium…in a sense, they are turning a chapter.”
Plutonium-based warheads are lighter and easier to handle, a better fit for nimble cruise missiles. India’s nuclear arsenal is largely plutonium-based.
Kristensen said Pakistan’s weapons and deliver-systems can be assumed to be India-specific because Islamabad “has not declared any other adversary.” The United States has been expressing concern to Pakistan about its accelerated program and urging it hold back, but there does not appear to be any concerted effort from Washington to influence Pakistan’s decisions, he added.
… But that does not seem to have impacted the multi-billion dollar ramping up of its nuclear arsenal in the absence of any US effort to leverage the economic handle it has on Islamabad. Times of India. Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN 2 September 2009, 12:01am IST
Pakistan has not only made huge strides in the political arena, working with the US, and China, it has now befriended Russia which opens up huge new areas of cooperation between the former foes. In the defense arena, Bharat has been wasting billions of Dollars without getting its money’s worth. The new 123 deal places huge restrictions on its testing capabilities. The Bharti Nuclear program is untested. Therefore the bombs placed on its failed missiles are mere duds. This makes Bharat highly vulnerable in the areas that Bharat Verma has identified in the Indian Defense Review. For Pakistan, a strident China and a confident Pakistan will therefore be harder to deal with. Bangladesh, Nepal and Lanka smelling blood will exact their revenge on the Bharati bully and fight against its hegemony.
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Islamabad, on its part, uses its role as a so-called ally in the war against extremists to keep expanding its nuclear program by implicitly threatening to cease helping the US – a nightmare scenario for Washington since most of the supplies to its forces in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan.
“Both countries have a trump card to play. We have not heard any any descriptions about how they play it out,” Kristensen said.
In their paper, Kristensen and Norris say Pakistan is improving its weapon designs, moving beyond its first-generation nuclear weapons that relied on Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). After pursuing plutonium-based designs for more than a decade, Islamabad appears to have mastered the technology.
Central to that effort, the paper says, is the 40–50-megawatt heavy water Khushab plutonium production reactor, which was completed in 1998 and is located at Joharabad in the Khushab district of Punjab. Six surface-to-air missile batteries surround the site to protect against air strikes. Norris and Kristensen say as a sign of its confidence in its plutonium designs, Pakistan is building two additional heavy water reactors at the Khushab site, which will more than triple the country’s plutonium production.
Explaining the changing nature of the Pak arsenal, they say all of these efforts suggest that Pakistan is preparing to increase and enhance its nuclear forces. In particular, the new facilities provide the Pakistani military with several options: fabricating weapons that use plutonium cores; mixing plutonium with HEU to make composite cores; and/or using tritium to “boost” warheads’ yield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhkgp1QAy34
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Without referencing the recent controversy in India about the success or otherwise of its thermo-nuclear test in 1998 (now dubbed the sizzle vs fizzle debate), the paper says “absent a successful full-scale thermonuclear test (by Pakistan), it is premature to suggest that Pakistan is producing two-stage thermonuclear weapons” – in other words, it has yet to acquire a Hydrogen Bomb.
But, they say, the types of facilities under construction suggest that Pakistan has decided to supplement and perhaps replace its heavy uranium-based weapons with smaller, lighter plutonium-based designs that could be delivered further by ballistic missiles than its current warheads and that could be used in cruise missiles. Pakistan rapidly ramping up India-specific nuclear arsenal. Times of India. Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN 2 September 2009, 12:01am IST
The bottom line is that the Pakistani program is larger, more potent and more lethal than Bharat could have ever imagined. The Pakistan Nuclear program has moved light years beyond the Heavy Enriched Uranium and has now firmly gone beyond Plutonium and Tritium usage. Though Hans Kristensen didn’t quiet say it–but he did inform the TOI and other news sources that the Pakistani Nuclear program is beyond the Hydrogen Bomb stage–this makes it a very advanced program. Beyond 2011–Once the US leaves Afghanistan
Pakistan goes beyond nuclear deterrence: Indian army chiefwww.chinaview.cn 2009-09-02 22:42:35 Print
NEW DELHI, Sept. 2 (Xinhua) — Indian Army Chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor said on Wednesday that Pakistan was going well beyond deterrence after reports Islamabad had increased its nuclear arsenal and was working to add cruise missiles.
“There were certain degrees of deterrence and the figure of 70 to 90 nuclear warheads directed against a country certainly goes beyond the concept of deterrence,” Kapoor said in the western Indian city of Pune.
“It is a matter of concern for us,” he added.
Gen. Kapoor was commenting on an article published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist about the enhanced nuclear arsenal of neighboring Pakistan.
“A new nuclear-capable ballistic missile is being readied for deployment, and two nuclear-capable cruise missiles are under development. Two new plutonium production reactors and a second chemical separation facility also are under construction,” said the U.S. journal.
Pakistan has previously denied it is adding to its nuclear warheads. Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said in May his country did not need to expand its nuclear arsenal but would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence that was essential for its defense and stability. Editor: Mu Xuequan
The Pakistani program was originally based on a Uranium program which has smaller yields. Now the miniaturized nuclear program has been successfully placed on top of very lethal Shaheen II missiles which can reach every nook and corner of Asia and half of Europe. Actually the Pakistan i ICBM capability allows it to reach all corners of the globe.
dear moin,
if ur defence establishment is such a sucess in every field, and everything about indias is such a faliure,
why are u not taking back kashmir, as anyway we do not have neuclear weapon as its a dud u do
our missiles and sub ect are total dods, unlike ur missiles which are resounding sucess,
then why pray are u not leberating kashmir,
bec anycountry having such advantage over it adversary will use it to take what they feel is legitimately theirs
is it u do not have the guts, or is it pakistan does not care for the kashmiris, or surprise of surprise, our Kashmiri brothers do not want to join pakistan
pls let us know we here in india are waiting to know
ciao
Richie Rodrigues
Half of Kashmir has been liberated. The other half keeps 50% of the Bharati armed forces busy. The liberation of Kashmir is inevitable… however certain modalities need to be resolved
Ladakh is now a Mulim majority area. Jammu soon will be. In 15 years West Bengal will be a Muslim majority area. Bihar and other areas have sizable growing Muslim populationss. There is nothing you guys can do about it. Jaswant Singh is right more “partitions are inevitable”.
The Indian Generals don’t know what to do–they are in a panic. Obviously throwing money on toys has not worked, and local production ends up in 300-500 Mig crashes.
Pakistan goes beyond nuclear deterrence: Indian army chief
http://www.chinaview.cn 2009-09-02 22:42:35 Print
NEW DELHI, Sept. 2 (Xinhua) — Indian Army Chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor said on Wednesday that Pakistan was going well beyond deterrence after reports Islamabad had increased its nuclear arsenal and was working to add cruise missiles.
“There were certain degrees of deterrence and the figure of 70 to 90 nuclear warheads directed against a country certainly goes beyond the concept of deterrence,” Kapoor said in the western Indian city of Pune.
“It is a matter of concern for us,” he added.
Gen. Kapoor was commenting on an article published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist about the enhanced nuclear arsenal of neighboring Pakistan.
“A new nuclear-capable ballistic missile is being readied for deployment, and two nuclear-capable cruise missiles are under development. Two new plutonium production reactors and a second chemical separation facility also are under construction,” said the U.S. journal.
Pakistan has previously denied it is adding to its nuclear warheads. Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said in May his country did not need to expand its nuclear arsenal but would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence that was essential for its defense and stability. Editor: Mu Xuequan
Your army huffed and puffed in 2000, 2002 and 2008 and could not cross the border. You know why? Because noting works and the statements by the Indian general said that Bharat would lose territory.
Read Bharat Verma’s article recently republished. The Balakanization of Bharat is inevitable and headed in the right direction
The 250-450 millino dalits will be liberated by conversion to Islam–there is work going on this
pakistan first liberated east pakistan to bangladesh then they wanted to liberete baluchistan then sindh then panjab then pashtoonistan then they will give kashmir as a gift to india
It is exactly this mentality which keeps Bharat in the pit of penury
Your English is very hard to understand
I am sorry, but we don’t see a mushroom cloud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2iBXKgkcIg
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Thats rite we liberated Bengal by snatching land from Hindu’s-tan…still Calcutta 2 b taken…Half of KASHMIR is free n in rest of Kashmir COWPEE drinkers r 2 scared 2 go…The only COW PEE drinkers present there r the ones with Guns n they r 8 lakh of them…we will liberate that as well…Such a beghairat nation u Hindus r..we made pakistan,we made bangladesh, liberated half of kashmir but ur hang over is still not lettin u admit that…..U keep on findin mushrooms mate…Don talk bout Pashtoons…They r 2 eager 2 slaughter Cow Pee drinkers over HINDU KUSH…
oo yaara … kudos to CowPee drinkers’ slaughter over HinduKush. There will be no internet, not this blog … but certainly this blog won’t be searched from anywhere within india too … because india has lived its natural life … now it is time to convert … now like Mughals … we won’t let it remain bharat anymore, we will convert it into Pakistan as one … and all taken over by Talibans … death symbol to cow pee drinking banyaas. LOL !
dear Moin,
after reading ur articles, i am made to beleve pakistan is the most powerful country in asia, aftr china,
ur economy, ur missiles, nuke capabilty, and hydro bombs ect
then what is the use all this awesome power ?
when u cannot stop USA from bombing ur area,
Iran is not even haff as capable and it is standing up to the entire western world,
beci beleive the basic concept of a nation which arams irself is to protect itself from outside attack and foreing intervention in its internal affair
with all ur powere as i see pakisyan does not seem to have an independent foreingn policy at least regarding its war on the tribal people
so in other words all the billion spend on arms are a waste would have been better if it was spent on education, health ect, this is my beleive
i see no difference bet afganistan and pakistan, as far as the west looks at it, and they have already coine the word afpak ,
we without any strong militery detterent will still not let usa bomb us or for the matter nato ect, if it happens we willlose their embassy or atleast downgrade it,
but usa i heard is building a huge huge embassy in pakistan
what is ur take on it
rgds
Richie Rodrigues
Richie
The drones recently killed Pakistan’s Enemy number one–Bait Mehsud
You will see the power after the US and NATO leave
Bharat will be forced to leave Kabul within 24 hours after NATO, ISAF leave….1 billion Dollars wasted…just like Bharat was shuttled out of Kabul after the USSR left
AfPak is good–it means that the US, the UK, and Europe have accepted the inevitable union of Pakistan and Afghanistan
Our analysis of the bombs are based on international analysis and news referenced with news reports from Bharat.
Foreign policy: The entire world is helping Pakistan. Russia is building a train and road link from Dushambe to Gwader. China is helping with several new nuclear plants, the US is setting up power plants, France is offering a nuke deal, the Arab countries are investing—of course you wont get this from your temple education
russians will allow pakistan to oppen a consulate in chechenia and chinees will welcom pakistan to build a industry in sinkiang
now all intelligence agencies are turning toward moin aka amardeeep singh for intelligence about indias secrets
ISI NEED NOT SPEND BILLIONS THEY JUST NEED TO LOG ON MOIN COMMENT AND VOILA, THEY ARE ENLIGHTENED ABOUT INDIA
YAAR PAKAISTANI NANE MUNR BACHO KHA DUD KA PAISE THO BACHAGE JO INTELLIGENCE MAY KARCH HOTE HAI
and regarding afgan pakistn becomming one country i am waiting for that day, then the phatans will take over pakistan as they did before , the warriora will come from kabul and take over punjab,
and then it will be one huge taliban country,
then Moin aka amardeep will not be able to share his intellenge as no computers, or tv, or newspapers, so u guys will not have any inputs from bharat or any part of the world
will miss this site though as soon as the afganis closes this site,
will contect u guys for opium,
JAI BHIM
Richie rodrigues
all the nuclear bomb exploed with a nuclear mashroom cloud but the pakistani bomb exploed with out any cloud it is the innovation of pakistani scientists please transfer this technology to china
man:
I am not sure whether you drink while you are writing or write when you are high. Both Indian and Pakistani Nuclear tests were underground. The days of mushroom clouds belong on the 50s–there is nuclear fallout on the population so countries explode bombs underground.
Neither Pokhran nor Chaghai had mushroom clouds.
Did you see the pics in the article, or are your banking on what you learned in your temple?
http://rupeenews.com/2009/09/01/india-envious-of-pakistan-nukes-jittery-about-pakistan-plutonium-capability/
Here is a picture of Pokhran–please show us the mushroom cloud!
Indian Nuclear explosion without a mushroom cloud
Indian Nuclear explosion without a mushroom cloud
You should fire your Chief of Army staff who has his panties in a wad over Pakistani nukes.
Pakistan goes beyond nuclear deterrence: Indian army chief
http://www.chinaview.cn 2009-09-02 22:42:35 Print
NEW DELHI, Sept. 2 (Xinhua) — Indian Army Chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor said on Wednesday that Pakistan was going well beyond deterrence after reports Islamabad had increased its nuclear arsenal and was working to add cruise missiles.
“There were certain degrees of deterrence and the figure of 70 to 90 nuclear warheads directed against a country certainly goes beyond the concept of deterrence,” Kapoor said in the western Indian city of Pune.
“It is a matter of concern for us,” he added.
Gen. Kapoor was commenting on an article published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist about the enhanced nuclear arsenal of neighboring Pakistan.
“A new nuclear-capable ballistic missile is being readied for deployment, and two nuclear-capable cruise missiles are under development. Two new plutonium production reactors and a second chemical separation facility also are under construction,” said the U.S. journal.
Pakistan has previously denied it is adding to its nuclear warheads. Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said in May his country did not need to expand its nuclear arsenal but would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence that was essential for its defense and stability. Editor: Mu Xuequan (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/02/content_11986609.htm)
this is the way to make more and more nuk bombs
when indians test the bomb landscape of the area changed a crater is formed on earth but pakistan claim to test the bomb nothing happened the hill stood exactly there
see original live vedios of pokharan 2
this photo is taken after so many days after pokharan 2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zTnARCBi3c&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1f6vbiuUt0
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A blind person can see. You want to imagine something. The planet does not see it.
man:
I am really amazed at your lack of knowledge.
You started with “mushroom cloud”. When it was proven to you that the Bharati explosion did not have a mush room cloud, you were exposed.
Chaghai was a MOUNTAIN–the Hindu Kush has been in existence for 100,000 years, you expect it to just collapse and fall into the sea? Nuke explosions cannot be hidden–the entire world tracked the nuclear fallout…and no one has raised the mushroom issue.
When France ocnducted nuclear tests deep in the ocean, there was no mushroom
How come the Bharati Chief of Army staff is pooping in his pants right now–crying about Pakistan’s nuke capability?
BTW: Your writings without punctuation are every hard to read.
see the original vedios of vedios of tests conducted by france and india
EDITOR HAS ADDED THESE TO THE MESSAGE
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man:
I think you need your eyes tested. We see the entire mountain exlode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRw5u-WwSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhkgp1QAy34
pakistanees must go and watch some mining areas such as gold mines or any other mines or quarry compare it with it
when a small nuk bomb explode magnitude 4-5 of earth quake will stike that area but in chagai single rock didnt fall from that steep hill side
hunh!
And you were there to witness this? The entire mountain was glowing
Dear Moin, aka Amardeep,
baharati chief of army pooping in his pants, thats news, were u witness to that, dont u think that is getting obnoxious,
pakistan kho nuke mubarak, since our was a failure,
but what use is ur nuke when ur foreign and internal policies are being run by KSA, and USA
Where is ur sunni islamic pride when USA is bombing your territories, without even informing your armies and killing pakistani citozen, your loyal pathans, because of whom u have one third of kashmir, which u gave part to china to buy their friendship, which country does that,
any country with a little pride will not let another country enter its territories, and pakistan being the second strongest country in asia after china, allowing it is a shame, we are left wondering what is the use of spending billions of dollars, and no nation in the world respecting you, afganistan which is completly destroyed and living on dole to is accusing and threatning u guys on evey forum
where is the punjabiat pride,
rise and tell the american off, show them ur nuke power, before it becomes a joke, but be real careful as a neighbour a little advice, dont show them where ur actual nukes are they may just take it and walk away,
we without any credible weapon system , with failed missiles, failed nuke test, failed sub, failed economy, failed country will do our best that nobody encroches our terrotery so balantly
JAI BHARAT MA
mr.Moin,
thanks to you for opening our eyes.
you are right drdo,isro are failed organisation.
the news are now coming shame to the govt and these people for making fake claims/
i am surprised as to how you could tell this from before .
i have suggested to many indian readres to read your blog/website.