37 Responses to “Water wars: India's obduracy on the illegal Kishenganga dam”

1. mp says:

   August 7, 2009 at 12:06 pm

   That is how we Indians do payback, silly! Indus Treaty is just a facade. We do what we have to do to teach Pakistan a lesson behind the mask of the treaty. Come on, you know that! All you can do is cry and cry. We hold the ultimate Brahmastra in our hands. When you push us hard enough, you know that India has the power to choke all of Pakistan. Of course as a pacifist nation we will not do it. But dont keep pushing your luck.

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 7, 2009 at 4:06 pm

     Good to know your duplicitous nature. Sign treaties and then violate them. Thanks for letting eveyone know how you guys really think.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nixooFA2-f0

     Crying: Your PM and the entire country is still crying after Mumbai. Death by a thousand cuts awaits Bharat which is surrounded by enemies on all sides–China, Pakistan, Bangaladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka…you can run but you can’t hide.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFmCM9DAHAY

     One of the dams has already been destroyed by the Mujahideen. Others will follow. If Bharat stops water, it will face war and all of it will be incinerated to dust. The Brahamastra will face the same end as the Temple of Somnath.

     Look around you: 200 of your districts are in Naxal hands. The 450 million Dalits hate Delhi. 150 million Muslims hate Bharat. The 50 million wdowed women known as White Widows create more and more hatred for the country that enslaves them. There is no future for you.

     It is written–Gahzva e Hind will destroy Bharat into small pieces. All Muslim states will be resurrected. You have not seen the wrath of Muslims since Ghaznavi and the Mughals ruled Delhi

     The Crescent and Star will flutter high on the Lal Qila in Delhi as it did for a thousand years.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFmCM9DAHAY

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2. mp says:

   August 7, 2009 at 5:07 pm

   Yes. We have Chanakyas blood flowing in our veins. We mastered the art of statecraft thousands of years ago when Ghazni and his brethern did not even exist. All you folks can do is launch cowardly terrorist attacks. It is like shooting arrows at an elephant. As far as the Naxals are concerned, we have only recently trained our guns on them & will soon eradicate the vermin like we did the terrorists in Khalistan & Kashmir. You see our primary focus is growing the economy, not fighting civil wars.

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 8, 2009 at 6:47 pm

     Mr. Patel:

     Your temple indoctrination (“education”) is showing again. The mythical figure of Chan Akya was educated Taxila on the Indus (Takshashila, in present day Pakistan). He has nothing to do with your Patel blood (lower caste–banya sub caste of the merchants–one step up from the Sudras) which was nurtured and fed from the waters of the Ganges. The mythical figure was a Brahmin, which you are not. There were no intercaste marriages, so it is impossible that you have any blood line to any Brahmin.

     The myth says Chanakya that hen he was born he had a full set of teeth, proving that he is just a myth, not real. Taxila is in Pakistan. The IVC was in Pakistan, not India. It is like China thinking that Zoraster was Chinese. Pick up heros within the Bhrari borders, not from neighboring countries. todays Pakistanis are 95% genitically the same as those who lived on the Indus thousands of years ago.

     Your comments about the economy are based upon and spoken like a true banya. Economy? What economy. You buy planes, ships and tanks. You cannot produce your own weapons. Your missiles don’t work. You try to purchase air crat carriers at ripoff prices which you cannot suport. Your parliament is full of crooks who make money off foreign sales. You can’t even produce the LCA, which has been in design for the past 20 years. Your launches are Russian.

     40% of the country is in the hands of the Naxals. Assam is virtually independent. Tamil Nadu is in insurrection. Half the army is engaged in Kashmir. The Maoists are growing from Nepal all the way down to Andhara Pradesh. Mizus are in rebellion. Sikkim wants to be independent again. Bengalis overflowing into Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal are changing the demographics. 150 million Mulsims are not loyal to Delhi. Hindu million Hindu widows who are incarcerated in temples and sold as protitues yearn from freedom. 10 million girl babies are killed before and after death changing the male female ratio. Sikhs want Khalistan. 450 million Dalits, Untouchables and scheduled castes hate Gandhi and Gandhiland called Bharat. Belligerancy with China, Nepal, Bangaldesh, Lanka, Pakistan, Mayanmar is draining the economy….which grew at the Hindu rate of 3% (lowest in the world) for the past 60 years. Bharat has 40% of the worlds poor. 75% of Bharatis live below $2 per day. The last decade has been an anomoly and based on current figures, the economy is returing to the Hindu growth rate.

     Bharat occupies Chinese, Pakistani, Burmese, Lankan, Nepalese territory. Delhi does not have the ability to resove border disputes with any of her neighbors. It is the only country in the world that has had wars with all her neighbors. Bharat cannot have any role in the region unless it makes peace with her neighbors. It is not Israel. it cannot impose issues on her neighbors. Neighbors will engulf and destroy it. It could not even bifurcate Lanka. It is a new nuclear world out there. Bharat is headed towards war with China. The troop deployments along South Tibet (falsely called Arunchal Pradesh) and along the McMohan line are giving jitters to Bharat.

     Bharat is the biggest terror country in the world. It tries to make trouble in Tibet (China), Nepal (Maosists), Lanka (LTTE), Pakistan (TTP), Xiniang (Ughuirs) etc. It interfered in Maldive, and Mayanmar. All her neighbors hate Bharat with a passion.

     The Civil wars engulfing Bharat will lead to its balkanization. If it doesn;t explode like Yugoslavia, it will implode like the USSR.

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3. mp says:

   August 7, 2009 at 7:58 pm

   I thought you were a smart person. But if you seriously think few rag tag mujahideens can blow up a dam then I have to rethink. Dont be a slave to propaganda at the risk of diminishing your own stature. The law of physics dictate that you need the force of an earthquake or thousands of tons of TNT to damage something like a dam.

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4. mp says:

   August 8, 2009 at 7:07 pm

   And your point about Chanakya being born in Taxila is? You do realize that you are admitting that your forefathers were Hindu, right? Worse yet, the weaker Hindus of the Indus who were bludgeoned into converting to Islam. Heck, the founder of your nation did not have any Indus people blood in him. So can I come to the conclusion that Indus people needed an outsider to liberate them? Doesnt speak much about Indus people in ancient or modern history, does it.

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 8, 2009 at 7:21 pm

     The Indus Valley was NOT Hindu. They buried their dead, wrote from right to left (unlike Sanskrit). They ate beef. They were not vegetarian. They had never heard of horses. They never worshipped the Hindu pantehon of Gods (Arjun, Mithra, Maruti, Agni). Their language was pictogrpahic (not Sanskirt or any of the langauges of Bharat). They were not vegetarian. They had nothing to do with Hinduism.

     The Gupta dynesty lasted for a short period in the Indus and did not leave any lasting affects on the Indus people. However all of Bharatis have Arab, or Turkish or Mughal blood in them. This is what civilized them.

     When you are looking down, you say all these things. Go out. Look up. The towering minarets, the muazzins voice, and the massive domess will remind you that you are conquered nation that was ruled for a thousand years by Muslims–and that rule will come again soon.

     The 450 million Dalits will rise and join the ranks of the Muslims destroying the false and fake country called Bharat. the Chinese will take theri parts, the Bangladehsis will take their part, the Lankans will take their part. The rest will be gobbles up by the Naxalites and the Maoists.

     Turn off the Bollywood movies. See the reality of the slum you live in. Slumdogs can only be millionares in Hollywood. Bollywood just hides the slums and is filmed in Muslims lands of Dubai, Malaysia and in Europe (which is 15% Muslim) and growing towards Eurabia.

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     • Moin Ansari says:

       August 9, 2009 at 11:14 pm

       Look at Failed States

       The RAW agents of the TTP have been wiped off the face of Pakistan. The death knell came this week.

       Bharat still has to live with the insurection in 40% of its territory which the Naxals and the Maoists control.

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm

     In Islam, once you are a Muslim there is no caste or creed. Eveyone is equal. Being a low caste banya (patel), you cannot handle that or ever comprehend that.

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     • mp says:

       August 8, 2009 at 7:52 pm

       Patels are not Bania. Plus both Patels & Banias are rich farmers or businessmen. So dont pretend to know anything about Indian caste system, you are clearly ignorant on that front.

       But the bigger point is I think I have enraged you enough that you felt compelled to resort to personal insults. Have you run out of ideas, my friend?

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5. mp says:

   August 8, 2009 at 7:33 pm

   As if poverty, sectarian violence, terrorism and feudal political structure werent enough bad news for your country, here is the issue that will truly doom Pakistan. It looks like even geography, climate & mother nature are stacked against your cursed nation.

   I wish you could paint this as Indian propaganda, but no such luck

   http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/22/failed_states_index_the_last_straw

   Hopelessly overcrowded, crippled by poverty, teeming with Islamist militancy, careless with its nukes—it sometimes seems as if Pakistan can’t get any more terrifying. But forget about the Taliban: The country’s troubles today pale compared with what it might face 25 years from now. When it comes to the stability of one of the world’s most volatile regions, it’s the fate of the Himalayan glaciers that should be keeping us awake at night.

   In the mountainous area of Kashmir along and around Pakistan’s contested border with India lies what might become the epicenter of the problem. Since the separation of the two countries 62 years ago, the argument over whether Kashmir belongs to Muslim Pakistan or secular India has never ceased. Since 1998, when both countries tested nuclear weapons, the conflict has taken on the added risk of escalating into cataclysm. Another increasingly important factor will soon heighten the tension: Ninety percent of Pakistan’s agricultural irrigation depends on rivers that originate in Kashmir. “This water issue between India and Pakistan is the key,” Mohammad Yusuf Tarigami, a parliamentarian from Kashmir, told me. “Much more than any other political or religious concern.”

   Until now, the two sides had been able to relegate the water issue to the back burner. In 1960, India and Pakistan agreed to divide the six tributaries that form the Indus River. India claimed the three eastern branches, which flow through Punjab. The water in the other three, which pass through Jammu and Kashmir, became Pakistan’s. The countries set a cap on how much land Kashmir could irrigate and agreed to strict regulations on how and where water could be stored. The resulting Indus Waters Treaty has survived three wars and nearly 50 years. It’s often cited as an example of how resource scarcity can lead to cooperation rather than conflict.

   But the treaty’s success depends on the maintenance of a status quo that will be disrupted as the world warms. Traditionally, Kashmir’s waters have been naturally regulated by the glaciers in the Himalayas. Precipitation freezes during the coldest months and then melts during the agricultural season. But if global warming continues at its current rate, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimates, the glaciers could be mostly gone from the mountains by 2035. Water that once flowed for the planting will flush away in winter floods.

   Research by the global NGO ActionAid has found that the effects are already starting to be felt within Kashmir. In the valley, snow rarely falls and almost never sticks. The summertime levels of streams, rivers, springs, and ponds have dropped. In February 2007, melting snow combined with unseasonably heavy rainfall to undermine the mountain slopes; landslides buried the national highway—the region’s only land connection with the rest of India—for 12 days.

   Normally, countries control such cyclical water flows with dams, as the United States does with runoff from the Rocky Mountains. For Pakistan, however, that solution is not an option. The best damming sites are in Kashmir, where the Islamabad government has vigorously opposed Indian efforts to tinker with the rivers. The worry is that in times of conflict, India’s leaders could cut back on water supplies or unleash a torrent into the country’s fields. “In a warlike situation, India could use the project like a bomb,” one Kashmiri journalist told me.

   Water is already undermining Pakistan’s stability. In recent years, recurring shortages have led to grain shortfalls. In 2008, flour became so scarce it turned into an election issue; the government deployed thousands of troops to guard its wheat stores. As the glaciers melt and the rivers dry, this issue will only become more critical. Pakistan—unstable, facing dramatic drops in water supplies, caged in by India’s vastly superior conventional forces—will be forced to make one of three choices. It can let its people starve. It can cooperate with India in building dams and reservoirs, handing over control of its waters to the country it regards as the enemy. Or it can ramp up support for the insurgency, gambling that violence can bleed India’s resolve without degenerating into full-fledged war. “The idea of ceding territory to India is anathema,” says Sumit Ganguly, a professor of political science at Indiana University. “Suffering, particularly for the elite, is unacceptable. So what’s the other option? Escalate.”

   “It’s very bad news,” he adds, referring to the melting glaciers. “It’s extremely grim.”

   The Kashmiri water conflict is just one of many climate-driven geopolitical crises on the horizon. These range from possible economic and treaty conflicts that will likely be resolved peacefully—the waters of the Rio Grande and Colorado River have long been a point of contention between the United States and Mexico, for instance—to possible outright wars. In 2007, the London-based NGO International Alert compiled a list of countries with a high risk of armed conflict due to climate change. They cited no fewer than 46 countries, or one in every four, including some of the world’s most gravely unstable countries, such as Somalia, Nigeria, Iran, Colombia, Bolivia, Israel, Indonesia, Bosnia, Algeria, and Peru. Already, climate change might be behind the deep drought that contributed to the conflict in the Darfur region of Sudan and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

   Rising global temperatures are putting the whole world under stress, and the first countries to succumb will be those, such as Sudan, that are least able to adapt. Compare the Netherlands and Bangladesh: Both are vulnerable to rises in sea levels, with large parts of their territory near or under the level of the waves. But the wealthy Dutch are building state-of-the-art flood-control systems and experimenting with floating houses. All the impoverished Bangladeshis can do is prepare to head for higher ground. “It’s best not to get too bogged down in the physics of climate,” says Nils Gilman, an analyst at Monitor Group and the author of a 2006 report on climate change and national security. “Rather, you should look at the social, physical, and political geography of regions that are impacted.”

   Indeed, with a population half that of the United States crammed into an area a little smaller than Louisiana, Bangladesh might be among the most imperiled countries on Earth. In a normal decade, the country experiences one major flood. In the last 11 years, its rivers have leapt their banks three times, most recently in 2007. That winter, Cyclone Sidr, a Category 5 storm, tore into the country’s coast, flattening tin shacks, ripping through paddies, and plunging the capital into darkness. As many as 10,000 people may have died.

   Bangladesh’s troubles are likely to ripple across the region, where immigration flows have been historically accompanied by rising tensions. In India’s northeastern state of Assam, for instance, rapidly changing demographics have led to riots, massacres, and the rise of an insurgency. As global warming tightens its squeeze on Bangladesh, these pressures will mount. And in a worst-case scenario, in which the country is struck by sudden, cataclysmic flooding, the international community will have to cope with a humanitarian emergency in which tens of millions of waterlogged refugees suddenly flee toward India, Burma, China, and Pakistan.

   Indeed, the U.S. military has come to recognize that weakened states—the Bangladeshes and Pakistans of the world—are often breeding grounds for extremism, terrorism, and potentially destabilizing conflict. And as it has done so, it has increasingly deployed in response to natural disasters. Such missions often require a warlike scale of forces, if not warlike duration. During the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, for instance, the United States sent 15,000 military personnel, 25 ships, and 94 aircraft. “The military brings a tremendous capacity of command-and-control and communications,” says retired Gen. Anthony Zinni, the former head of U.S. Central Command. “You have tremendous logistics capability, transportation, engineering, the ability to purify water.”

   As the world warms, more years could start to look like 2007, when the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs announced it had responded to a record number of droughts, floods, and storms. Of the 13 natural disasters it responded to, only one—an earthquake in Peru—was not related to the climate.

   Worryingly, some analysts have suggested the United States might not fully grasp what it needs to respond to this challenge. The U.S. military has been required by law since 2008 to incorporate climate change into its planning, but though Pentagon strategic documents describe a climate-stressed future, there’s little sign the Department of Defense is pivoting to meet it. “Most of the things that the military is requesting are still for a conventional war with a peer competitor,” says Sharon Burke, an energy and climate change specialist at the Washington-based Center for a New American Security. “They say they’re going to have more humanitarian missions, but there’s no discussion at all of ‘What do you need?’” The rate at which the war in Iraq has chewed through vehicles and equipment, for instance, has astonished military planners. “Is this a forewarning of what it’s like to operate in harsher conditions?” Burke asks.

   To be sure, some of the more severe consequences of climate change are expected to unfold over a relatively extended time frame. But so does military development, procurement, and planning. As global warming churns the world’s weather, it’s becoming increasingly clear that it’s time to start thinking about the long term. In doing so, the West may need to adopt an even broader definition of what it takes to protect itself from danger. Dealing with the repercussions of its emissions might mean buttressing governments, deploying into disaster zones, or tamping down insurgencies. But the bulk of the West’s effort might be better spent at home. If the rivers of Kashmir have the potential to plunge South Asia into chaos, the most effective response might be to do our best to ensure the glaciers never melt at all.

   Stephan Faris is the author of Forecast: The Consequences of Climate Change, from the Amazon to the Arctic, from Darfur to Napa Valley, from which reporting for this article is drawn.

   Photo: Paula Bronstein/Getty Images

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6. mp says:

   August 8, 2009 at 11:03 pm

   Shouting a lie from rooftops doesnt make it the truth. You are only fooling yourself if you claim there is no caste system in Pakistan. What is caste system if not oppression of one community by another? By that defintion what do you have to say about the problems of Shia/Sunni, native pakistani / mohajir, zamindar/landless pheasants, punjabi oppression on sindhis & balochis. Ho does that square up against the oft quoted ideals of Islam?

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 9, 2009 at 11:13 pm

     Those distinctions also exist in India. The brutality of the Caste is on top of that.

     Does India not have landless peasants? Does India not have zamindars? Does India not have Madrassis vs Rajistanis vs Punjabis vs tamils vs bengalis?

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     • mp says:

       August 10, 2009 at 1:20 am

       Let me enlighten you. There is no Zamindari system in India. Our socialist minded founding fathers abolished it right after independence. That is what sets us apart. Our leaders had the vision and courage to lay the right foundation. Your nations founding father, though a visionary Indian passed away too early(note the respect I am showing him unlike the crass insults you hurl towards Gandhi. No worries, it just goes to show your stature or lack thereof) & there has been a vaccuum ever since. Indus land has just not managed to produce a leader who can unite & progress your country.

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       • Moin Ansari says:

         August 10, 2009 at 12:41 pm

         Shadows cannot enlighten candles. Mr. Patel. You were still a glimmer in your papas eyes when we were studying Nehurs “Glimpses of World history” (a good book that I gave my son to read) and when you were in nappies we were reading Mohandas Gandhi’s “Experiment with Truth”.

         Nehru took over Muslim lands in Bhopla, Kashmir, Hyderabad under the guise of abolishing the “zamindari system“. Many large land holders got around the “Zamindari abolition bond” system by placing their lands under fictitious names and in the names of unborn children and relatives. Most of the land given away by the government to “landless peasants” was actually returned to the owners. Many kept the large land holdings but it under different names–in schemes that computer coolies may not comprehend. Eventually the lands were sold at market value for other valuables like gold. Even though private ownership of gold was banned in Bharat, most upper crust and rich hid their wealth in gold.

         God save the world from ganges leaders who drink cow urine and thier own piss. The mediocrity of the seat warmer prime minister Mr. Manmohan Singh is clearly evident by the speeches in the Lok Sabha and the descriptions of Mr. Singh by Mr. Adhvani and Mr. Modi.

         Here is what I was talking about:

         India’s Naxalite Insurgency Grows, Targets Landowners, Business
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         By Jay Shankar

         Feb. 22 (Bloomberg) — India’s communist rebels, known as Naxalites, are winning support from the rural poor as they expand an insurgency into 17 of the country’s 28 states, targeting landowners and industry, Mehda Bisht, a defense analyst, said.

         The government has deployed a force of 1,500 soldiers and policemen in the eastern state of Orissa where the rebels last week killed 14 policemen.

         “Naxals are very incipient now,” said Bisht of the independent Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi. “Down the line, it may become a body like” the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which has waged a 25-year fight for a separate homeland in Sri Lanka, she added.

         Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said Dec. 20 the extremists are the “single biggest security challenge to the Indian state” and called for a special force to tackle the groups. The rebels operate across India in regions that contributed about three-quarters of the country’s $775 billion gross domestic product in the financial year ending March 2006, according to government figures.

         The states include Maharashtra in the west, Uttar Pradesh in the north, the eastern state of West Bengal and the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.

         The rebels, inspired by China’s former leader Mao Zedong, have killed 598 security personnel and 1,894 civilians in the four years until Oct. 31, according to the Indian government. They operate in tribal and rural areas and fight for jobs and land for the poor.

         Rebel Attacks

         At least 25 people were killed and 80 others injured in an attack by Naxalites in Dantewada district of Chhattisgarh in July last year. Last March, rebels shot dead a member of parliament, Sunil Kumar Mahato, in Jharkhand state. Former chief minister of Andhra Pradesh, N. Janardhan Reddy, and his wife, escaped an assassination attempt in September, the Times of India newspaper said in a report at the time.

         A group of about 500 gunmen attacked five police posts late on Feb. 15 in Nayagarh in Orissa, stealing arms and ammunition, state-run broadcaster Doordarshan reported Feb. 17. The attack left 14 policemen dead.

         The Naxalites have their origin in Naxalbari village in West Bengal state. An uprising led by communist leaders Charu Majumdar and Kanu Sanyal began in May 1967 after a laborer was attacked by a landlord in the village.

         Groups such as the People’s War Group, Maoist Communist Centre and Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) merged in September 2004 to form the Communist Party of India (Maoist).

         Fighting Back

         “In the short term, the problem will continue,” M.L. Kumawat, special secretary in the Ministry of Home Affairs, said in a telephone interview from New Delhi. “In the long term, the states’ comprehensive strategy will succeed. People will not allow those elements who want the democracy of this country to be lynched. They cannot capture power with weapons. No state will ever allow that.”

         Chhattisgarh, a state with mineral resources such as iron ore, bauxite, diamonds and coal, is the “epicenter” of the rebels now, Kumawat said.

         The economic opportunities that are opening now “are being shut by the Maoists,” especially in Chhattisgarh, said Ajai Sahni, executive director of the Institute of Conflict Management, an independent organization researching internal security in South Asia. “By far this is the most serious problem that is confronting the country.”

         In Chhattisgarh, 311 security personnel and civilians were killed by the rebels last year while 123 people were killed in neighboring Jharkhand state, according to the government.

         New Strategy

         There are about 80,000 supporters of Maoists in India and 7,000 are armed, said Paul Soren, a researcher at the New Delhi- based Observer Research Foundation. After targeting industries, rebels are now attacking government establishments and policemen.

         “They have a presence in urban centers such as New Delhi,” he said.

         Hundreds of thousands of poor people, particularly from India’s tribal belts, are joining the Naxalite militia to conduct raids and participate in attacks, Varavara Rao, 67, a communist and Naxalite sympathizer based in the southern city of Hyderabad, said in a telephone interview. “The main reason is globalization.”

         Economic Zones

         So-called special economic zones are displacing people in India and even the communist-ruled state of West Bengal is trying to give away land to international companies, Rao said.

         “The poor have no land, no water, no clothes, no food and no shelter,” he said. “The movement will gain momentum as more peasants are joining in. They are the people who are marginalized by globalization. Now they are fighting back.”

         West Bengal Chief Minister Buddhadev Bhattacharya’s government in March last year abandoned a plan to acquire land for trade zones after protests led to the deaths of at least 14 people in Nandigram.

         The Maoists are getting more sophisticated weapons and forging links with groups in Nepal and Bangladesh, Soren said.

         “This is not a terrorist module. It is an insurgency” and the Maoist strategy is to mobilize people and then arm them, Sahni said. “The hiatus between these two can be anything between three to five years. The government thinks it is a peripheral issue which they can manage through an emergency response.”

         To contact the reporter on this story: Jay Shankar in Bangalore at jshankar1@bloomberg.net

         Last Updated: February 21, 2008 18:20 EST

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         • mp says:

           August 10, 2009 at 3:30 pm

           You will not change your stripes Uncleji! It is your forum so you can write whatever you please. All Ihave tio say is it does not look good for a person of your seniority to indulge in High school style insults.
         • Moin Ansari says:

           August 10, 2009 at 3:39 pm

           Water does not flow uphill. Please see the watershed. The highest peaks are in Gilgit as the article clearly points out.

           Rivers flow east of the Watershed in Tibet. Tributarieswest of the watershed make the water flow Westwards and Southwards to join the Indus.
7. mp says:

   August 10, 2009 at 2:39 pm

   So much for Pakistans special friendship with China. It has already built a dam on the Indus in Tibet without even informing you guys. India will extract its pound of flesh when the time comes, but China already has. Worse yet in the garb of eternal friendship. I feel sorry for Pakistan. With friends like China, who needs enemies?

   http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/23640-china-builds-dam-indus-tibet.html

   http://tibetanplateau.blogspot.com/2009/03/photo-of-dam-on-indus-senge-tsangpo.html

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 10, 2009 at 2:56 pm

     Inability to read places Bharatis in “Alice in wonderland”. Did you read the entire article or just the headline. Have you ever heard of a watershed? The watershed for the Indus is in Gilgit and Baltistan not in Tibet. A dam is TIbet flows water towards Tibet. It is a SMALL dam, it cannot stop water for the Indus even if water flowed in the direction of Pakistan.

     Indus does not start from one point. It has thousands of tributaries, said Eng. Naseer Memon, water expert.

     Indus main tributaries were in Ladakh, Baltistan and Tibet, glaciers of Himalayas, but there was also occasionally monsoon support.

     He said there was no major water flow upstream, so building a big dam was not feasible.

     Idrees Rajput, former secretary irrigation, Sindh and water expert, said the major water flow started from Skardu downstream, so building a dam could only be helpful for power generation and not the irrigation purpose.

     He said the dam at Senge-Ali was for the power generation purpose, which will have no impact over Indus River. “Indus water still flows,” he said.

     China had not officially informed the government of Pakistan, as there was no treaty between China and Pakistan over shared waters. Similarly, India has right to build a dam on Indus for power generation with a maximum capacity of 0.25 MAF water.

     Indus River’s inflow is 140 MAF in Pakistan, and the small dams will have no impact over us, said Rajput. Pakistan is building largest dams on Indus River with 6.4 or 7 MAF water capacity

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     • mp says:

       August 10, 2009 at 3:10 pm

       Yes, I read the whole article. It is all about a few Pakistanis trying to put a brave face on the Chinese act of back stabbing. What are treaties or the lack thereof between friends? If there was true friendship, Cihina would take Paistan into full confdence on an issue of such importance. They clearly did not. As a sovereign nation, the Chinese act in their own self interest. And as you pointed out the major flow into Indus & the best dam sites for power generation are in Kashmir. So India still holds the trump card.

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       • Moin Ansari says:

         August 10, 2009 at 3:24 pm

         Another product of the temple education. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Don’t they teach you geography in the temples?

         I have been right up to the Chinese border. There are more than 300 peaks over 20000 ft high.

         The watershed (WS) is in Gilgit. The water in Tibet flowes Eastwards. The water from Gilgit flows Westward. Pakistan is not a lower reparian from China. Kindly look at the map, and it will show you what the reality is. After peaking at the map one can read the description below to see what Idrees is saying.

         Map showing the flow of the water of the Indus and the Watershed (WS)

         Indus does not start from one point. It has thousands of tributaries, said Eng. Naseer Memon, water expert.

         Indus main tributaries were in Ladakh, Baltistan and Tibet, glaciers of Himalayas, but there was also occasionally monsoon support.

         He said there was no major water flow upstream, so building a big dam was not feasible.

         Idrees Rajput, former secretary irrigation, Sindh and water expert, said the major water flow started from Skardu downstream, so building a dam could only be helpful for power generation and not the irrigation purpose.

         He said the dam at Senge-Ali was for the power generation purpose, which will have no impact over Indus River. “Indus water still flows,” he said.

         China had not officially informed the government of Pakistan, as there was no treaty between China and Pakistan over shared waters. Similarly, India has right to build a dam on Indus for power generation with a maximum capacity of 0.25 MAF water.

         Indus River’s inflow is 140 MAF in Pakistan, and the small dams will have no impact over us, said Rajput. Pakistan is building largest dams on Indus River with 6.4 or 7 MAF water capacity

         Inability to read places Bharatis in “Alice in wonderland”. Did you read the entire article or just the headline. Have you ever heard of a watershed? The watershed for the Indus is in Gilgit and Baltistan not in Tibet. A dam is TIbet flows water towards Tibet. It is a SMALL dam, it cannot stop water for the Indus even if water flowed in the direction of Pakistan.

         Indus does not start from one point. It has thousands of tributaries, said Eng. Naseer Memon, water expert.

         Indus main tributaries were in Ladakh, Baltistan and Tibet, glaciers of Himalayas, but there was also occasionally monsoon support.

         He said there was no major water flow upstream, so building a big dam was not feasible.

         Idrees Rajput, former secretary irrigation, Sindh and water expert, said the major water flow started from Skardu downstream, so building a dam could only be helpful for power generation and not the irrigation purpose.

         He said the dam at Senge-Ali was for the power generation purpose, which will have no impact over Indus River. “Indus water still flows,” he said.

         China had not officially informed the government of Pakistan, as there was no treaty between China and Pakistan over shared waters. Similarly, India has right to build a dam on Indus for power generation with a maximum capacity of 0.25 MAF water.

         Indus River’s inflow is 140 MAF in Pakistan, and the small dams will have no impact over us, said Rajput. Pakistan is building largest dams on Indus River with 6.4 or 7 MAF water capacity

         AS FAR AS POUND OD FLESH IS CONCERNED< SHYLOCK NEVER GOT IT…IN FACT HE WAS PUT AWAY FOR LIFE. The Balakanization of Bharat is inevitable. The Naxals, the Dalits, the Muslims, the Lankans, the Burmese, the Chinese, the Pakistan, and the Nepalese will take what is theirs.

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8. mp says:

   August 10, 2009 at 3:47 pm

   So then what is the paranoia about? You cant be paranoid about India cutting off water supplies and in the same breth assert that water flows will not be affected if India build dams on the Indus. Your quest to always want to have it both ways weakens your arguments. By regurgitating your “Temple Education” line, you are in essence showing the guilt that truly afflicts you. No temple forces young kids to memorize a book written in a foreign language telling them that this is all they need to learn in life. I have seen the zombie like behaviour of muslim kids. Those that have memorized the Koran at a young age unknowingly and permanently rock back and forth even when they are not reading the Koran.

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 10, 2009 at 6:08 pm

     I think you are really confused, don’t want to understand, or simply are totally incoherent. Not at all sure what you are saying in this mail.

     I Have seen many timples teaching kids to memorize books in Hindu temples in an ancient language that they do not comprehend. What you think is a diferent behaviour is what scares all of you. Just see the statements of your leaders. Arundhati Roy, in an interesting article posted on this site and many other sites recently quoted one of the favorite Kashmiri slogans that they chant to tease the Bharati occupation forces “Bhago bhago lashkar aya”.

     Bharat has been attempting to stop the waters. The World Bank already ruled against it and she has to change the design of the Baghalier dam. One of the Bharati dams was severely damage in mujahideen action. It has still not been repaired.

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     • mp says:

       August 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm

       Arundhati Roy is a shizophrenic. Why dont you take her from us? We will gladly give her to you or any country that wants her. Other than Hamid Gul pulling it out of the place where the Sun dont shine, why dont you quote a credible news piece on the Mujahideen destroying a dam in India? Dams are very heaviy guarded & built of solid concrete & steel in India, unlike your earth filled wonders. And the dfference with Temple education unlike a Madrassah education is that we dont train our kids to become suicide bomber robots.

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       • Moin Ansari says:

         August 10, 2009 at 9:50 pm

         Are you real or what. I have spent years visiting Mangla, Tarbela and Warsak–they are earth filled on the sides. The main spillways are concrete. Don’t they have internet in your temple education centers.

         Look at the pics.
         http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/4587557.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4587557&usg=__AsfTLGLnhiX1KXW3EanuLo97iKA=&h=1704&w=2272&sz=1490&hl=en&start=3&sig2=l15HNqfqfUgp6goJLjSo1w&tbnid=HAxN7-scuEQDqM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmangla%2Bdam%2Bspillway%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den&ei=ZcyAStiUA5KxjAeqoLT7Cg

         I don’t have to prove anything. Concrete can be blown up with TNT. Thats exactly what happened.

         Arundahati Roy is a saint. May God bless her and keep her alive. She is my favorite Bharati.

         Hamid Gul was head of the ISI. He should know. The dam was damaged–perhaps irreparibly. The only contravercy is how it happened.

         Indian Aqua bomb-the coming water wars in Kashmir
         EmailWritten by moinansari on May-29-08 10:05pm
         http://www.zimbio.com/Kashmir/articles/42/Indian+Aqua+bomb+coming+water+wars+Kashmir

         Lt Gen (r) Hameed Gul has said that India has so far built 62 dams and hydro-electric units on Pakistani rivers to deprive Pakistan of water and render into a desert.

         He said Pakistan was being deprived of water under an international conspiracy to conquer it.

         At this stage, some insane people were opposing construction of Kalabagh Dam in Pakistan, he added. He said that Shaukat Aziz’s influx in Pakistan was also part of the conspiracy as he formulated such policies, which put the country into crisis. He said that Shaukat Aziz created food shortage. He said the mujahideeen damaged Baglihar Dam and it could not be reconstructed.

         Hameed Gul, however, warned that the mujahideen would damage all dams. Sindh Water Council Chairman Hafiz Zahoor-ul-Hassan Dahr said that when the dispute on water would not be resolved, there would be conflict between the two countries. He said, “India is not building dams under the Indus Water Treaty but on the Pakistani rivers.” He said that the food shortage would be forty per cent next year that would increase starvation in the country. He warned, “Pakistan can become Somalia and Ethopia,” he added.

         The Indus Waters Treaty, signed on September 19, 1960, sets up a legal regime determining the rights and obligations of both parties concerning the use of the waters of the Indus basin. The World Bank is a signatory to the treaty for certain specified purposes. It is not a guarantor of the treaty. Under the treaty, use of the rivers Sutlej, Beas and Ravi, termed the eastern rivers, has been allocated to India while Pakistan is entitled to unrestricted use of the rivers, Indus, Jhelum and Chenab. India can only interfere with the flow of the western rivers for the following uses: domestic use, non-consumptive use, (navigation, flood control, fishing and wildlife), agricultural use and generation of hydroelectric power and storage works.

         Analyst believe that low water flows and energy deficiency have forced India to increasingly manipulate the IWT to its advantage; secondly, Delhi wants to use water as political leverage against Pakistan; thirdly, keeping up ancillary issues as a wall to keep the core issue on the backburner and lastly, to prove to the Kashmiris that Islamabad is denying them jobs and opportunities which originate from the state’s very own resources. Water War By Naveed Ahmad

         The pact between India and Pakistan is called “The Indus Water Treaty“. That treaty is in tatters because India has repeatedly broken it, bent it, subverted it, and worked around it to reduce the amount of water to Pakistan and increase the amount of water to India.

         Many say that there will be many wars around water. Some may have already started. The Kalabagh Dam in intricately linked to the distribution of water between India and Paksitan.

         The next most serious choke was applied through the Indus Water Treaty (1960): Pakistan lost three Eastern Rivers. The World Bank solution violated the International Law which does not allow change of direction and the flow of the rivers anywhere in the world. River Ravi passing through Lahore was given to India. Subsequently Pakistan saw with open eyes India building dams and powerhouses on the three Western Rivers which were designed “for exclusive use of Pakistan.” The Indian Minister for Power and Water, Chakravarty, said openly in a formal meeting of the IWT council held at Delhi: “When we abrogate IWT, Pakistan will be in a state of draught and Pakistanis will cry for drops of water” (June 14, 2002).

         The COAS of the Indian Army also said, “The rejection of Kalabagh Dam by elements in Pakistan enhances the insecurity of Pakistan. Salal Dam was completed without our knowledge” (2003).

         Pakistani authorities raised a mild objection on Baglihar Dam (2005) when it was nearing completion. The World Bank mediator finally advised lowering of the dam by 2-ft. India had its way towards the final thrust to kill Pakistan.

         The ground-breaking ceremony (February 9, 200 of Kishanganga-Jhelum Hydel Project – vision 2030 – located at Muzffarabad, was held at Aiwan-e-Sadr Islamabad: India has challenged it. India is quite used to imposing its will on Pakistan.

         We must have known that Kalabagh and Bhasha dams and other projects are the water-management schemes of local resources: they are not the replacement of the three Western Rivers being controlled by India. Why there was no challenge offered to the enemy? Even the governments were inclined to concede the rights to India to build Wullar-Barrage: the source of Mangla Dam which can be turned into 110 sq mile of sandy-patch. The groundwork of Wullar Barrage was destroyed by the mujahideen on April 7, 1990. Between 1947 and now who is or was responsible for the security of Pakistan and its water resources? I wish, I pray, we must know our enemy or enemies and must know how to stand against them. We are already in the minefield. The writer is a Retired Brigadier

         According to many experts more than 40% of the Indus water flows into the ocean and is waster. If some of this was placed into a reservoir, this could be held of bad times. Some in Pakistan believe that some water has to flow into the ocean to keep the ocean taking away good land in Sindh. This totally condradicts facts on the ground.

         ISLAMABAD HIGH COURT REQUIRES INFORMATION ON DAMS

         Indian dams: IHC reprimands CD for not submitting report Staff Report

         ISLAMABAD: A single-member bench of the Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Thursday reprimanded the Cabinet Division (CD) for failing to submit a report on the disruption of river flow Pakistan by Indian dams and their impact on local agriculture. The bench had previously given the CD four weeks to submit the report, and extended this deadline by two weeks. IHC Chief Justice Sardar Muhammad Aslam headed the bench, while lawyer Malik Ishtiaq represented the federation. Human Rights Society Chairman Kowkab Iqbal had filed a petition with the IHC voicing concerns about the construction of Baglihar and Kishan Ganga dams and 62 proposed water reservoirs by India. He said that India used around 80 percent of the water in the Jhelum and Chenab Rivers, creating a drought-like situation in Pakistan, and maintained the use of river waters in such a manner is a blatant violation of Indus Basin Treaty. Kowkab said that India was currently spending around $200 billion on the construction of water tunnels to the Indus River, which could turn parts of Pakistan into a barren land. The petitioner said that the matter had been given ‘the cold shoulder’ by past governments and politicians. He emphasised that the government should raise ‘this matter of life and death for Pakistanis’ at the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

         INDIA CONTINUES TO BUILD DAMS

         India plans three power projects in four years.

         The National Hydel Power Corporation (NHPC) and Jammu and Kashmir’s Power Development Corporation (PDC) have drawn up an ambitious plan to build three projects by 2012 in the power-starved state. Earlier, the PDC had wanted to float global tenders for the project, but now it has been decided to partner with the NHPC, a central government enterprise for development of hydro-electricity, PDC sources said. PDC will also sign a joint venture agreement with the NHPC this month-end for two other projects – Kiru of 600 MW and Karwa of 500 MW. The projects will be executed in the next four years, the sources said. Power Minister Babu Singh said these projects would transform the economic landscape of the state. Greater availability of power would lure industrial investment and provide many more employment opportunities in Jammu and Kashmir, he said. Jammu and Kashmir, despite a generating potential of 14,000 MW of electricity, produces only 1,865 MW. Most power projects in the state are far behind schedule. The Salal project had taken more than 28 years, Dul Hasti took 25 years and Baglihar is still nowhere near completion even after 11 years of work.
         “It is for this reason that we are pooling our resources in generating power in the state,” said a PDC official, adding the entire cost would be over Rs.120 billion. The NHPC will have 51 percent stake and the PDC the rest.

         The Kalabagh Dam in also linked to the Radcliff Boundry Commission which awarded Muslim majority areas of the Punjab to India–and hence allowed Indian troops access to Kashmir.

         The Kalabagh dam is essential in eliminating the power gap in Pakistan.

         http://www.zimbio.com/Kashmir/articles/42/Indian+Aqua+bomb+coming+water+wars+Kashmir

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9. mp says:

   August 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm

   Hameed gul said, Sindh guy said, who gives a crap? Give me some real proof, even an article from a mainline Pakistani publication such as nation, jang or dawn will suffice. Since you have so much respect for Arundhati Roy, why dont you start a campaign to award her Nishan-e-Pakistan?

   Only technically challenged people build large dams with earth filled cores. Glad tha I made you admit in a moment of weakness, otherwise in typical fashion you would have tried to gloss it over as Indian media hype. Ek damdaar baandh banaane kee kshamta nahin aur daawe karte hain missile, atom bumb or vimaan banaane ki. Khwaab dekhna acchi baat hain, dekhe raho…

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   • Moin Ansari says:

     August 10, 2009 at 10:17 pm

     You must be a total–(I’ll stop). The American built the Mangla Dam and the Italians built the Tarbela. They have survived 50 years. They are perfect. All major dams are earthfilled. Even Aswan, 3 Gorges, and Hoover dam is the same way. The side banks are all earth filled. There is no point in making the whole thing steel and concrete. The main spillway is concrete of all dams. I don’t want to educate you on this. This discussin is closed.

     Gul Hamids satements and Mujihideen announcements were published in all major Pakistani and Bharati newspapers

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10. wildpigeon says:

    August 11, 2009 at 11:58 am

    These dirty Hindus stink of cow pee man…Pardon me if I sound insultive or abusive but my point is y do Hindus drink PEE…A drunk person smells of bear or alcohol but dark skinned,underfed typical Hindu Bania is not only very ugly to look at but he also stinks of PEE…I mean this coward Temple educated coward Hindu breed is health n safety hazard….No wonder y Afghans used 2 cull em over Hindu kush as to kill mosquito for eradication of malaria is necessary…

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    • mp says:

      August 12, 2009 at 8:48 am

      Take a deep breath & calm down. Maybe then you will be able to string together a coherent sentence. We Indians are proud of our dark skin because we are pure blooded natives. You see we people of the Ganges, Narmada & Kaveri & have no Arab or Mongol blood in us unlike the people of modern day Indus.

      And I understand the white rage that this thread has incited in the moderator & other Pakistanis. But there is a way out. Rather than trying to unsuccesfully trying to bleed India with terrorist attacks, here is what you need to do:
      1. Give up the Kashmir issue
      2. Partner with India: Invest jointly to build huge dams in Kashmir & benefit from both electricity & water

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      • Moin Ansari says:

        August 12, 2009 at 5:14 pm

        You think that placing dams on river will effect Pakistan. Think again. Most of the rivers that flow to the Arabian sea flow above ground and below ground also. There are many rivers underground that got created centuries ago by water seeping from the river bed. Bharat cannot halt the ground water that flows to Pakistan. Pakistan pulls up the water for its agruculture using tube wells. The water table is intact. When Bharat makes dams, even more water seeps through the ground, and eventually makes its way into Pakistan.

        Dispite BJP nonsense, Bharat cannot control Pakistan through water or energy.

        Even if Pakistan gives up the Kashmir issue, the Kashmiris will not give up Pakistan. Its a two way relationship. As Gilani (VP of APHC) said recently in one of the largest rallies Kashmir has ever seen “Paksitan hamar hai–hum Pakistani hain”. Pakistanis cannot leave the Kashmiris behind to be treated like the Dalits. NEVER! Bharat has not been able to gobble up Kashmir. Half the armed forces of Bharat are engaged in Kashmir.

        A quick analysis will show anyone that those forces would then move to the Punjab and Sind. So it does not make sense to let Bharat off the hook in Kashmir.

        http://rupeenews.com/2009/07/28/pakistani-russian-entente-continues-in-dushambe/

        Pakistan is working with Tajiksitan with a road and rail network. Tajikistan has plenty of electricity and water. Tajiksitan is separated from Pakistan by a few miles–the borders “almost” touch. A recent deal has been signed with Tajiksitan and Russia to build high speed trains, pipelines and electricity grids to Northern Paksitan. The link to China is also being upgraded with a high speed train runnindg from Xingjiang to Gwader. There will be a fiber optics, road and rail link.

        Pakistan has found alternate sources of energy and water. The Thar Coal is the 4th largest coal field in the world. Pakistan has started to make electricity from coal and this will be exapnded in the future.

        Additionally 10 large and 50 small dams are being constructed to harness water from sources that are not in the control of Bharat. Plus the largest wind energy farm is already being created. Pakistan has a great vantage for solar energy in most of the country. In additional bio electricity, and energy from tides is is being tapped into.

        Even if Bharat dams the rivers–80% of the water actually flows to Pakistan underground feeding the same rivers. So Pakistanis will never thrist for water. Pakistan will scrap the Indus treaty, and the mujihideen will blow up the dams—yes dynamite can destroy mortar and steel and bring down mountains–it just has to be placed in the right spot.

        You see the resilience of the Pakistani nation in unfathonable to the Bharatis. They say that Mumbia was terrorism, but Lhaore wasnt. they say Kashmir is becuase of cross-border stuff but forget the Mukti Bahni murderers. Pakistanis has elephant memories.

        Pakistanis will never forget. NEVER FORGET and NEVER AGAIN!

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        • mp says:

          August 12, 2009 at 5:34 pm

          Finally a largely upbeat write up! Though true to your form you will never stop bashing India, but no worries.

          I sincerely wish Pakistan the best in its endeavour to progress itself by thinking of constructive rather than destructive solutions. It is in India’s interest to have an economically strong Pakistan rather than a failed state.

          By not letting India off the hook, we are able to handle the economic impact. But your nation is bleeding dry. Money that could be used for peaceful projects is getting sucked into a blackhole.

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          • Moin Ansari says:

            August 12, 2009 at 5:53 pm

            if it hasn’t sinked in yet–let me state it again…Pakistanis don’t give a darn what Bharatis think. Our economic model is NOT Bharat by any stretch of the imagination–it is China.

            Feed your people first. Half the population of Delhi, Mumbai, Lucknow, Benaras sleeps on the sidewalks. Get them off the sidewalk, then talk about others
          • mp says:

            August 12, 2009 at 6:17 pm

            Ah, the Pakistani economic model. Now that is an oxymoron pefectly defined. Nice model by the way. Perennially beg the USA, IMF & Worldbank for doleouts. I really do envy that model
          • rich05 says:

            August 26, 2009 at 7:58 am

            hi

            i cannot understand the pakistani, what are they cribbing about, u have got every thing u want as per the blogs below so u should b happy

            u have water as india cannot stop the flow as it will seep underground to pakistan, pls tell you leaders about it as they do not seem to know about it and keep complaining abot it all all international forroum, and world bank to put pressure on india

            so the watr issue is over

            second why ur leader keep harping on kashmir, i mean it a blessing to pakistan as just a couple of thousand jihadis have kept 800000 indiian soldiers on their knees any country would be proud of it as ur leader to shutup and not make a noise about it as if we give up kashmir or army will be free to be posted on sid and punjab borders and i dont think u guys would like it will u, i mean guys u have got it made

            economics we are the pits as u say so be happy do not talk abot it as our leader may read it and try to improve it now now u dont realy need it do u, india with a strong economy ?
            and the best is ur economy isso strong as u say, but more then that i congratulate ur leader unlike our who project that pakistan is bankrupt and take billions of dollars in aid oh the stupid gillible west, thaay donnt know that pak economty is strong and that the aid is only as pocket money for the genarals and the politicin of pakistan not the common people mabruk

            only thing i am worried about is u guy keep saying half of indias popul;atin is hungry guy pls do not say it we are trying to keep it a secret, u see our paln is simple this stupid indian 600 million of them do not even know they go to bed hungry they thing teier stomach are full if they ever know we are cheating them ther may be riots, and they will ask for food instead of what they live on know fresh air water and our love

            and if they demand food then we will be unable to export food grains and meat and vegetables ect and earn foreign exchange as we do now
            all our surplus will go feeding them and our economy will suffer

            ah about our people dancing naked to make maoney
            god wildpigioen pls tell the pakistani who come to india to dance and make money in our flim and tv shows that it is against the shaan of pakistan gues these guys and girls dont know to uphold the izzat of pakistan, better have them killed by taliban, i meann if u after have nutured and fed the taliban let ecet ect u cannot use them for this work what is their use, and u do not neeld all of them against india just a few thousand the rest are anyway bekar use them to kill this singing dancing unpatriotic pakistani this is just a free advice

            and another guys why are u so agaist us drinking our pee now this i dont understand, u cannot have it both way i mean we are trying to help u guyss, when we drink pee we dring less water and the saved water seeps into pakistanm

            and ther are stupid indians who do not drink the pee and they go and pee in the open fields and they are millions and lillions of them and i am sorry brother we will try to educate them as they do not know atht this pee too seeps into pakistan along with the ground water and i know it will be difficult for u guys to know the difference between water and pee bear with us will get some soultion but help us bonat make an issue then we dring pee then more people will stop dring peen and more will seep into pakistan

            cheers guys any other issue tell us we can solve it between us

            Hai Hind
      • wildpigeon says:

        August 12, 2009 at 5:55 pm

        Sorry mate I cant b cool n calm like a black skinned underfed,daal n sabzi hor hindu…So ur pure… R u sure…Wow its a miracle then after thousnds of years of slavery ur still pure..Especially after seeing the state of hindustanis sleeping on roads n dancing naked for money in the films it really is a miracle if ur pure.. By the way visit ur indigenous industry…Go see wot the whites r doin 2 the pure Indian NARIS of Ganges n Jamna in the countless brothels of Hindustan…Y r u begging us 2 do partnership when couple of thousand mujahideens have brought ur 8 lakh army 2 their knees..We have already snatched more than half of KAshmir then how can u say UNSUCCESSFULLY..Cow pee stink joined with the smell of burning rubber makes a nasty stink..U hindus stink..And don take bath n Ganges thats a big stream of PEE…

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        • mp says:

          August 12, 2009 at 6:14 pm

          Yes, I am very sure about the purity f my race. Unlike you byproducts of Arab & Mongol pillagers. No one is begging for a parnership. As a big & powerful nation,we are just being magnanimous & would like to throw a lifeline to a sinking nation.

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11. Second Medina says:

    August 11, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “Hameed gul said, Sindh guy said, who gives a crap? Give me some real proof, even an article from a mainline Pakistani publication such as nation, jang or dawn will suffice. ”

    This is is a programme by Waqt News* on India’s water terrorism:

    http://www.friendskorner.com/forum/f170/watch-water-terrerism-india-92843/

    *Waqt News is run by the Nawa-i-waqt group, one of Pakistan’s biggest newspaper groups (The Nation, Nawai Waqt etc)

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