Indian "Nuclear Sub" not "Nuclear": Sailing empty hull without reactor

Posted on 18 August 2009. Tags: Indian "Nuclear Sub" not "Nuclear":

The Arihant does not have a nuclear engine. The entire episode was a lie

The lies out out the Delhi Military Industrial Complex have no bounds. The don’t just bend the truth, they blatantly lie about it.

“If any of you are under the impression that it made contact with water with an actual reactor fitted inside its hull you are mistaken,” the scientist told a media service.
The scientist echoes a report in Defence Professionals Daily, a German online publication, which says Arihant “currently is little more than a floating hull” without nuclear propulsion or weapons systems.

The much heralded rust bucket made from a Russian kit was announced as an ingeniously built submarine. It is an Akula class sub whose design is very similar to the Russian Akula class subs. Rust bucket Arihant: Delhi’s clunky, noisy Soviet era Charlie class tub assembled from Russian submarine kit

…graphics of the Arihant published in India Today and TOI show a similarity to the Akula. For example, the towed array on the aft sail is like that of a Akula. The Arihant is reported to displace 6,000 tons which is assumed to be the submerged displacement. If it is the surfaced displacement it would match that of the Akula. http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/59105.aspx

There were several articles and a lengthy interview by the head of the Indian Navy who went into considerable detail about how difficult it was to miniaturize the reactor. In another interview with Dr Anil Kakodkar, the Indian scientist told the reporter to listen to the reactor on board–knowing fully well that there was no reactor on the ship. When repeatedly cornered by the Indian journalist, he repeatedly lied about the submarine. He referred to the engine noise and told the reported how quiet the sub was.

Dr Anil Kakodkar did “admit” that there were Russian consultants and they helped with the reactor. However all this is total nonsense, as the new reports about the Sub show.

Reports of the lies are now permeating the international news media. The Strategy Page reports that the “Nuclear Submarine” was not nuclear at all. The the INS Arihant sailed without a Nuclear reactor. The Nuclear Submarine reactor is the first part of the sub that is built. Actually there is no way a nuclear reactor can be installed into a submarine that has already sailed and left the dry-dock.

Sending the Arihant for a retrofit on a nuclear reactor is the most stupid thing anyone has heard. Not to mention the cost. No Marine Engineer or Naval Architect worth his salt would ever think of this sort of nonsense. It simply cannot be done. The assanine engineering of ripping the entire submarine and then putting it back together would be such a waste of time and effort that one might as well build a new submarine.

Indian Nuclear Sub Running On Empty

Why was it launched at all? Probably because work on the sub had been going on for more than a decade, and it was becoming embarrassing to have nothing to show for all that effort.Arihant cannot move under its own power (as it has none), and apparently is not equipped with weapons. Other major systems may also be missing. So why was the Arihant reactor is in. What is known is that the Arihants will have to go back into dry dock, be torn open, and have the reactor installed. Or parts of it, or just the fuel cores. It’s unclear exactly what state the Arihant was launched without its nuclear reactor, which will not be ready for another year, or so. No one is saying for sure when the reactor will be ready. At that point, Arihant (Destroyer of Enemies). This came after over a decade of planning and construction. But now it’s been revealed that the ArihantAugust 18, 2009: Last month, India launched its first nuclear submarine, the INS

The Nuclear Sub that wasn't

Once the Arihant has a working reactor and weapons systems, it will undergo up to two years of testing and sea trials before being accepted for service. The Arihant is based on the Russian Charlie II sub, which it resembles. A leased Russian Akula II nuclear sub will basically serve as a training boat for India’s new nuclear submarine force. Russia retired all its Charlie class subs in the early 1990s. India leased one from 1988-91, and gained a great deal of familiarity with it. The Charlie class had eight launch tubes, outside the pressure hull, for anti-ship missiles. The Arihant has vertical launch tubes, apparently large enough for the cruise missiles, but not any SLBM (Sea Launched Ballistic Missile) India has (like the Sagarika, which is too long to fit in a vertical silo on the Arihant.) Actually, the exact purpose of vertical launch tubes on the Arihant is unclear. The navy revealed very little detail on the new sub (which, until two years ago, the government refused to say anything about.) Access by photographers was restricted.

The new Indian SSN was long referred to as the ATV (Advanced Technology Vessel) class. There are apparently to be five boats in the class, assuming that the first one works well. The ATV is a 5,000 ton boat, and comparisons have also been made to the new Chinese 093 (Shang) class, which is a 6,000 ton boat that entered service two years ago, after more than a decade of construction. That was China’s second class of SSNs. The first, the Han class, was a disaster.

India is trying to learn from Chinas mistakes. That’s one reason the ATV project has been kept so secret. Another reason for the secrecy was that so much of the ATV project involved developing a compact, light water reactor technology that would fit in a submarine. This 85 MW reactor makes the Arihant underpowered by the standards of other SSNs, and the Indians give the Arihant’s top speed as 55 kilometers an hour.

Once the Arihant class SSN is proven, a modified version can be built as a SSBN (ballistic missile carrying sub). This was how everyone else did it, including the Chinese. Get an SSN operational, then modify the design to include some SLBM launch tubes. But the Arihant already appears to have vertical launch tubes, but not of sufficient diameter and length to hold any of the SLBM (sea launched ballistic missiles) in service. Strategy Page http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20090818.aspx

The incompetence and the inefficiency of the Bharati military establishment is well known. They can’t even make a rifle. Most of their personnel use foreign machine guns or guns made under license. The engineering prowess of Bharat is self evident. The Kevari Engine was abandoned after decades of development. The LCA is still being designed after 25 years. Recently the IAF floated a tender bid for a new GE engine which may or may nor work on the LCA. The Trishul, Nag, and Agni missiles are collossal failure. Unable to fly Russian planes, the IAF has the worst crash record of any Air Force in the world. The Mig 21s that fly jsut fine in China and other places cannot fight gravity in Bharat. More than 300 Migs have crashed. The Mig 29s are also crashing. Bharat has floated a tender for 126 new planes. One problem with that is that Russians won’t start building the planes ’till 2014 at the earliest.

Now the news about the Arihant–the destroyer of the enemies. Without a nuclear engine, the rust bucket can’t stay underwater too long, and won’t be much of a destroyer–more like a siting duck.

Here is the Indian scientist Dr Anil Kakodkar lying about the Nuclear Reacter in front of the interviewer. http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/russians_helped_with_ins_arihants_heart.php

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India unveiled the compact atomic reactor, the very heart of the supine beauty the INS Arihant, the country’s very own nuclear submarine.

Made in complete secrecy, it was talked about in hushed whispers. Now in an exclusive interview to NDTV’s Science Editor Pallava Bagla, the chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, Dr Anil Kakodkar reveals that Russians did help and that it really is a very quiet vessel that adds to India’s strategic depth.

Here are some excerpts from this exclusive interview recorded right inside the top secret facility in Kalpakkam on the coast of the Bay of Bengal.

Q: Was this completely made in India?

A: Yes.

Q: Designed, fabricated and executed in India?

A: Yes, that’s right, by Indian industries.

Q: And by Indian scientists?

A: Yes

Q: At Vizag, the Prime Minister went out of the way and thanked the Russians, and the Russian ambassador was also present. What was the role of the Russians? India had leased a Russian nuclear submarine?

A: I would also like to thank our Russian colleagues they have played a very important role as consultants, they have a lot of experience in this so their consultancy has been of great help so that so that I think we should acknowledge.

Q: Consultancy for what?

A: For various things, as you go along when you are doing things for the first time with a consultant by your side you can do it more confidently and these are difficult time consuming challenges so you have to do this without too much of iterative steps and this helped in that.

Q: So this is not a Russian design?

A: It is an Indian design.

Q: Indian design, made in India, by Indians?

A: Yes, that’s right.

Q: Is the noise level comparable to other submarines of this class, since that is a way of detecting submarines?

A: Yes, I think so. You have seen the inside and tell me if you felt some sound there?

Q: Compared to a power reactor the sound was minimal.

A: Compared to machinery running in any other places, did you hear much sound? I think this is very quiet system.

This interview makes claims that are not true. Here is a contradictory and correct view.

Bangalore: India’s nuclear submarine INS Arihant, launched on July 26, does not have a “working nuclear reactor” yet, says a nuclear scientist familiar with the project almost since its start.

“If any of you are under the impression that it made contact with water with an actual reactor fitted inside its hull you are mistaken,” the scientist told a media service.

The scientist echoes a report in Defence Professionals Daily, a German online publication, which says Arihant “currently is little more than a floating hull” without nuclear propulsion or weapons systems. The scientist, who did not want to be named as he was not authorised to speak to the media, was clarifying media reports implying that Arihant is propelled by nuclear power and that India has become the sixth nation to operate nuclear subs.

“I think the media did not correctly report what was told to them by the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), or the officials deliberately did not want to be explicit beyond a point,” he said.

The reports had said that Arihant is fitted with a nuclear power plant that is a replica of the secretly built 80-MW reactor at Kalpakkam near Chennai that was shown to the media Aug 2.

s Building this land-based power plant — for demonstration and training the naval personnel — is no doubt a creditable achievement of BARC considering that “making the fuel tubes were a real challenge”, the source said.

Besides, he said, it has proved India’s ability to produce enriched uranium necessary for designing small enough reactors that can fit inside the submarine.

The higher the enrichment, the smaller the size of the reactor and, according to the source, the Indian design uses 15 to 20 percent enrichment. The commercial Tarapur nuclear power plant, on the other hand, uses about three percent enriched imported uranium.

“However, to say a duplicate of this land-based reactor is already inside Arihant and working is not correct,” he said. He pointed out that the official statement that Arihant’s reactor will take at least a year to go critical is another way of saying there is no reactor core right now inside the hull since making a reactor critical only takes days, not months.

The scientist said several steps are involved after achieving criticality and the reactor must be fully tested before it is sent to the sea. Integrating the ballistic or cruise missiles will take time and a few more years are needed to prove the platform and its systems, first in harbour, then at sea and lastly, under water, at increasing depths.

“Therefore, announcement of India’s entry into the nuclear submarine club with a half-baked product without the nuclear reactor — let alone the weapons systems — is perhaps premature,” the scientist said. Samachar. http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=5077712&nextids=5077709|5077710%20|5077711|5077712|5077713&nextIndex=4

Based on the lies, the Arihant was old Russian Akula class sub that has been refurbisehd by Bharat with tri-colored paint on it.

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