The Delhi Dud Report on Indian Defense: Arms that don't work

All of Indi’a Rockets have failed. 1) Agni 2) Pirthivi 3) Akash 4) Trishul and 5) Nag 6) Agni consisting of surface to surface surface to air and anti-tank systems.

Prithvi: Failure: To date the only reliable delivery system inducted is the Pirthvi missile with a range of 300 kilometres. The subsequent versions of this missile are still undergoing tests. The pride of India the Agni missile tested last time landed 200 kilometres off target.

Akash: Failure: After several years of testing has been shelved for reasons best known to the Indians. Akash was meant as a substitute for Pechora. On the Akash missile, which was the subject of the DRDO media conference here on Tuesday, former air chief S. P. Tyagi said:“Akash was to be ready at a certain time, but it wasn’t. I had to change everything to make up for the delay.” Both missiles were part of a programme to develop indigenous weapons, which began in July 1983, with plans for Agni, Prithvi, Trishul, Akash and Nag missiles.

Trishul: Failure: Trishul is being replaced by Israeli Barak and Russian systems.

The IAF, for instance, has aging Pechora, Igla-1M and OSA-AK missile systems, and that, too, in woefully inadequate numbers.

While Trishul was to replace its OSA-AK weapons system, Akash was meant as a substitute for Pechora.

But both the Trishul and Akash air defence missile systems, which are part of the original Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme launched as far back as 1983, have been dogged by development snags in their “command guidance and integrated Ramjet rocket propulsion” systems.

Trishul, for instance, has been tested over 80 times so far without coming anywhere near becoming operational. It was, in fact, virtually given up for dead in 2003 after around Rs 300 crore was spent on it, before being revived yet again.

Trishul’s repeated failure, in fact, forced the Navy to go in for nine Israeli Barak anti-missile defence systems for its frontline warships, along with 200 Barak missiles, at a cost of Rs 1,510 crore during the 1999 Kargil conflict. The Navy is now inducting even more Barak systems due to Trishul’s continued failure.

Speaking of the Trishul surface-to-air missile that has now been termed a technology demonstrator, former naval chief Sushil Kumar said:“It was a national embarrassment. DRDO made fake claims for 25 years. In the 1999 Kargil conflict, the navy was vulnerable to attacks from Pakistan’s Harpoon.

“Finally the project was scrapped when the navy went in for the Israeli Barak missiles. The Prithvi’s naval variant, Dhanush, is also flawed and ill-conceived, which is being inflicted on the navy.”Indian missile system started back in the 50s on a five folder programme namely:

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Nag: Failure: The Nag proved to be as deadily as the Holy Cow.

Agni: Failure: The Agni-I (range 700 to 800 kilometers) and Agni-II were both products of India’s space program and connected to its Integrated Guided Missile Development Program (IGMDP), itself launched in 1983. Originally, their design used a satellite space-launching rocket (SLV-3) as the first stage, on top of which was mounted the very short-range (150 to 250 kilometers) liquid fuel-propelled Prithvi missile.

The Agni-III’s brand new design, in which both stages use solid propellants, was to enable it to carry a payload weighing up to 1.5 tons and deliver it to targets as far away as Beijing and Shanghai. At present, India lacks an effective nuclear deterrent vis-a-vis China, based on a delivery vehicle carrying a nuclear warhead. Agni-III was meant to fill the void.

The failure of the Agni III was in some ways more serious because it exposed the political limitations of India’s attempts, despite its ambitions, to pursue a military capability which is truly independent of the US’s strategic calculations.

The surface-to-surface ballistic missile, designed to have a range of 3,500 kilometers, took off in a “fairly smooth” manner at the designated hour. But “a series of mishaps” occurred in its later flight path.

The Agni-III was originally meant to be tested in 2003-04. However, the test was postponed owing to technological snags. After their rectification, said reports, the missile’s test flights were put off twice largely for “political reasons”, so as not to annoy the US.

Earlier this year, India decided to postpone the missile test out of fear that a test could hamper US Congressional ratification of the India-US nuclear cooperation deal. Publicly, the Indian defense minister cited “self-imposed restraint” to justify the postponement.

The Indian missile met a disaster as it could not attain the altitude where the first stage is over or the second is even ignited.

He disputed the Indian claim, saying that with the range of 3,500 km, the missile had to go above about 800-900 km while the second stage had to be ignited at 28 to 30 km.

‘If the missile fell from the height of 12 km, it establishes that either it’s motor rocket, the basics of the missile proved failure or the guidance and control system was faulty. In both the probabilities, Indian technology has been exposed in clumsy manners.’

‘It is interesting to watch that Indian missile programme that was initiated by French and US assistance and later New Delhi also borrowed Russian technical support has been facing tragedies from the beginning,’ the newspaper quoted him as saying.

APPENDIX A

India exposed by missile failure By Praful Bidwai

NEW DELHI – The failure in rapid succession this week of a satellite launcher and a new ballistic missile have shown up the technological and budgetary difficulties faced by India’s space establishment – civilian and military.

Hours after the US$50 million geosynchronous satellite launch vehicle (GSLV) with a communications satellite on board was ordered to self-destruct – as it veered off course soon after liftoff on Monday – authorities at the civilian Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) said one of its four strap-on rocket motors had failed.

Like the GSLV, a new intermediate-range ballistic missile “Agni III” that was launched by the secretive Defense Research Development Organization (DRDO) failed soon after liftoff on

Sunday and crashed into the Bay of Bengal, less than 1,000 kilometers away from the launch site.

However, last month, General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US military, visited India and declared that “I do not see it [a test] as destabilizing” or upsetting the regional “military balance” since “other countries in this region” (read, Pakistan) have also tested missiles.

Following this “facilitation” or clearance, and after indications of favorable votes in US Congressional committees on the nuclear deal, India’s stand changed. A week later, the DRDO announced it was ready to launch Agni-III.

This is the ninth missile in the Agni series (named after the Sanskrit word for “fire”) to have been tested. The first was tested in May 1989. The last test (Agni-II) took place in August 2004.

Unlike major powers like the US, Russia or China, which test the same missile 10 to 20 times before announcing that it is fully developed, India considers only three or four test flights to be enough for both producing and inducting new missiles.

This is not the first time that the test of an Agni series missile has failed. In the past, some tests of the shorter range Agni-II (range 2,000 kilometers-plus) also proved unsuccessful.

But what makes the Agni-III’s failure significant is that unlike its shorter-range predecessors, it was a wholly new design, developed with the specific purpose of delivering a nuclear warhead.

The Agni-I (range 700 to 800 kilometers) and Agni-II were both products of India’s space program and connected to its Integrated Guided Missile Development Program (IGMDP), itself launched in 1983. Originally, their design used a satellite space-launching rocket (SLV-3) as the first stage, on top of which was mounted the very short-range (150 to 250 kilometers) liquid fuel-propelled Prithvi missile.

The Agni-III’s brand new design, in which both stages use solid propellants, was to enable it to carry a payload weighing up to 1.5 tons and deliver it to targets as far away as Beijing and Shanghai. At present, India lacks an effective nuclear deterrent vis-a-vis China, based on a delivery vehicle carrying a nuclear warhead. Agni-III was meant to fill the void.

The causes of the failure of the test flight are not clear. Scientists at the DRDO, which designed and built the missile, have been quoted as saying that many new technologies were tried in the Agni-III, including rocket motors, “fault-tolerant” avionics and launch control and guidance systems. Some of these could have failed. Other reports attribute the mishap to problems with the propellant.

“The DRDO isn’t the world’s most reliable weapons R&D agency,” Admiral L Ramdas, a former chief of staff of the Indian Navy, told Inter Press Service. “The Indian armed services’ experience with DRDO-made armaments has not been a happy one. Their reliability is often extremely poor. We often used to joke that one had to pray they would somehow work in the battlefield.”

The agency has a budget of Rs30 billion (US$670 million), which is of the same order as the annual expenditure of the Department of Atomic Energy which is responsible for India’s civilian and military nuclear programs.

“This figure is extremely high for a poor country like India, with a low rank of 127 among 175 countries of the world in the United Nations Human Development Index,” said Anil Chowdhary of the Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament and Peace. “Yet the DRDO has delivered very little.”

None of the three major projects assigned to the DRDO has been completed on time or without huge cost-overruns. These include the development of a Main Battle Tank (MBT), a nuclear power plant for a submarine, and an advanced Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), all involving expenditures of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The MBT project was launched in 1974. But the tank has failed to meet service requirement tests. It is reportedly too heavy and undependable to be used in combat operations. The Indian Army prefers imported Russian tanks over the indigenous MBTs and says it will use the MBTs for training, not operations.

The nuclear submarine project, launched 31 years ago, is not yet finished despite the almost $1 billion spent on it. The LCA project, launched in 1983, is still in the doldrums: the DRDO has failed to develop the right engine for it. Even with an imported engine, the plane is unlikely to enter service anytime soon.

“The primary reason for these shocking instances of underperformance and inability is lack of public accountability and oversight of the DRDO,” says M V Ramana, an independent technical expert attached to the Center for Interdisciplinary Studies in Environment and Development, Bangalore.

“The DRDO, like all of India’s defense and nuclear service establishments, is not subject to normal processes of audit. It has used ‘security’ as a smokescreen or shield and refused to be held to account,” he adds.

The DRDO says it will try to rectify the faults in Agni-III. Whether or not and whenever that happens, India’s missile development program, with future plans to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 5,000 kilometers or more, has suffered a major setback. (Inter Press Service)

APPENDIX B

Agni Missile designers are incompetent: Pakistan scientist Daily India ^ | 7/9/06 Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 7:20:03 AM by maxypane

Islamabad, July 10 (IANS) The failure of Agni-III reflected ‘incompetence’ of the Indian missile designers and planners, said an eminent Pakistani scientist.

They would need to go back to the drawing board and take two to three years, unless ‘they borrow something from abroad,’ said Samar Mubarikmund, chairman of Pakistan’s National Engineering and Science Commission (Nescom).

Claiming that Israel was involved in developing India’s missile programme, Mubarikmund said Pakistan, which had an indigenous programme of its own, retained superiority over all others in the South Asian region.

Mubarikmund told The News Sunday that the circumstances narrated by the Indians for the failure of the missile test were ‘not acceptable.’

The Indian missile met a disaster as it could not attain the altitude where the first stage is over or the second is even ignited.

He disputed the Indian claim, saying that with the range of 3,500 km, the missile had to go above about 800-900 km while the second stage had to be ignited at 28 to 30 km.

‘If the missile fell from the height of 12 km, it establishes that either it’s motor rocket, the basics of the missile proved failure or the guidance and control system was faulty. In both the probabilities, Indian technology has been exposed in clumsy manners.’

‘It is interesting to watch that Indian missile programme that was initiated by French and US assistance and later New Delhi also borrowed Russian technical support has been facing tragedies from the beginning,’ the newspaper quoted him as saying.

The newspaper also quoted from official sources to take pot shots at Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

‘In fact he (Manmohan Singh) attained high moral ground for his country just to provide cover to constant failures of his country’s scientists engaged in developing long-range missiles and they were hesitating from testing the missile,’ the sources said.

Pakistan is still maintaining its superiority in missile technology in whole South Asia as it has successfully tested number of missiles with various ranges including Shaheen-II that has the range of the 2,500 km with all remarkably accurate parameters.

These parameters proved in the presence of international neutral empires when the missile hit the target to extent of centimetres accuracy in the Indian Ocean, the sources said.

APPENDIX C

Indian missiles far from being operational despite repeated tests IRNA – Islamic Republic News Agency

New Delhi, July 24,IRNA — The Trishul “quick-reaction” surface-to- air missile was again tested on Sunday, but just like its sister Akash missile it is still far from being inducted into the armed forces.

The frequent time, cost, technical and operational slippages in the nine-km-range Trishul and 25-km-range Akash surface-to-air missile programs have meant that the country’s air defence cover continues to have gaping holes.

Pakistan, in sharp contrast, has always accorded high priority to its air defence management, with its multi-tier surveillance cover, air defence fighters, quick-reaction, short-range missiles and an integrated control and reporting system.

The Indian Armed Forces, however, continues to make do with its obsolete air defence systems, said an Asian Age report here today.

The IAF, for instance, has aging Pechora, Igla-1M and OSA-AK missile systems, and that, too, in woefully inadequate numbers.

While Trishul was to replace its OSA-AK weapons system, Akash was meant as a substitute for Pechora.

The Defence Research and Development Organization, for its part, contends the seven Trishul trials so far this year, including a flight test with enhanced range of 11.5km against a remotely piloted aircraft, have “met all mission objectives.”

Trishul can engage targets like aircraft and helicopter, flying between 300 meters and 500 meters, by using its radar command-to- line, of-sight guidance system, it says.

The report card for Akash, tested 16 times since January 2005, is even better since it has completed all its development trials.

“On January 28 this year, interception of two moving targets by two Akash missiles with live warheads was successfully carried out,” said an official.

“Akash has multiple-target handling capacity with a digitally coded command guidance system. Its user trials are now in progress,” he said.

The missile’s `Rajendra’ radar, a multi-function phased array radar which carries out surveillance, target-tracking, missile acquisition and guidance, can simultaneously track several aircraft within a range of 40 to 60 kilometers. 2160/2321/1414 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2006/india-060724-irna04.htm)

APPENDIX D

Pakistan missile project ahead of India’s’

NEW DELHI, Jan 9: India’s missile scientists have said that the country’s indigenous missile programme is flagging and needs foreign assistance to revive it.

The embarrassing admission came amid claims by Indian analysts that Pakistan’s missile programme had proved to be more robust and surefooted than India’s. The Mail Today newspaper on Wednesday quoted the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) as announcing that it would scrap its 25-year Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) by the end of this year.

“Plagued by cost overruns and repeated failures, the announcement is a virtual admission of failure,” the newspaper said.“In fact, some former chiefs of the different services said as much on hearing the news.”

Speaking of the Trishul surface-to-air missile that has now been termed a technology demonstrator, former naval chief Sushil Kumar said:“It was a national embarrassment. DRDO made fake claims for 25 years. In the 1999 Kargil conflict, the navy was vulnerable to attacks from Pakistan’s Harpoon.

“Finally the project was scrapped when the navy went in for the Israeli Barak missiles. The Prithvi’s naval variant, Dhanush, is also flawed and ill-conceived, which is being inflicted on the navy.”On the Akash missile, which was the subject of the DRDO media conference here on Tuesday, former air chief S. P. Tyagi said:“Akash was to be ready at a certain time, but it wasn’t. I had to change everything to make up for the delay.” Both missiles were part of a programme to develop indigenous weapons, which began in July 1983, with plans for Agni, Prithvi, Trishul, Akash and Nag missiles.

The IGMDP, which was aimed at achieving self-sufficiency in missile development and production, comprises five core missile programmes — the strategic Agni ballistic missile, the tactical Prithvi ballistic missile, the Akash and Trishul surface-to-air missiles and the Nag anti-tank guided missile.

The Mail Today quoted S. Prahlada, chief of the Control Research and Development, DRDO, as saying that development and production of most of the futuristic weapon systems would henceforth be undertaken with foreign collaboration.

With regard to the nuclear-capable Agni series, comprising I and II, the newspaper quoted army sources as saying while they had been tested five times each “a handful of tests are not enough to prove a missile’s worth”.

There were different problems with other systems too.

“Pakistan has always been one step ahead of India in its missile programme,” the newspaper said, adding that Islamabad has “a much more robust missile force than India, one capable of launching nuclear weapons to any part in this country.”

Unlike Indian missiles, which were declared “inducted” after a few tests, the Pakistani projectiles have always been thoroughly tested. http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/10/top16.htm

APPENDIX F (the spin on the stopping the program)

Blast-off from a missile era – Isolated self-reliance ends SUJAN DUTTA

New Delhi, Jan. 8: India has wound up its guided missile programme 24 years after it was launched, jettisoning the political philosophy of isolated self-reliance in military technology.

The burial of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) founded by A.P.J. Abdul Kalam in July 1983 was couched in claims by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) that it has delivered all five missile systems that the plan envisaged.

The announcement comes a day before the DRDO celebrates its golden jubilee. Begun with an initial allocation of about Rs 389 crore in 1983, the cost and time overruns have seen more than Rs 2,000 crore being used up in the programme to develop five missile systems. (See chart)

C.K. Prahlada, the chairman of the IGMDP board and chief controller (research and development) of DRDO, declared today that the Akash surface-to-air missile system tested last month was ready for induction by the army and the air force. With this, the IGMDP has been formally wound up.

The winding up of the IGMDP does not mean that all work on the five missile projects is scrapped immediately. It means the government will not make any further investment in the research and development of these missiles over and above what has already been sanctioned.

For example, the Agni III strategic missile that successfully test-fired in April last year can still be fine-tuned and more tests of it are likely on the road to induction in the armed forces.

The government and the DRDO believe that the winding up of the IGMDP means the emphasis is now shifting from research and development to series production.

Prahlada said missile manufacturing capacities have to be expanded. Capacity at a missile facility in Hyderabad will be expanded in the short term to 100 missiles from 40 a year.

The IGMDP’s time actually ran out in December 2007 and were it not for the DRDO’s advertisement of the Akash as the pinnacle of its success, the programme’s burial would have been quiet. Work on the smallest of the missiles under the project — the anti-tank Nag — will be over this summer.

“You must understand the background of the IGMDP,” Prahlada explained. “It was started at a time when there was no help forthcoming from anywhere. That situation is not there now.”

To illustrate, he said there were organisations from as many as 14 countries that were now willing to collaborate with the DRDO in developing missiles. Among these were the US, Israel, Germany, France and Russia.

When the IGMDP was launched in July 1983, India was dependent almost wholly on Russian military technology. But even Soviet supplies and support for the strategic missile programme was niggardly.

Understanding that the US had imposed a technology-denial regime, India offered to devise its own missiles and put Kalam in charge.

The IGMDP was given time till 1995. On Kalam’s insistence, the P.V. Narasimha Rao government gave it a further lease of life for another 10 years.

In 2006, when the defence establishment had all but taken a decision to mothball the Trishul missile programme, the DRDO insisted again — when Kalam was President — and the government granted it another two years.

In these two years, the DRDO — and not only its missile programmes — came in for criticism from the users (the armed forces) and even its former scientists. But last year, the DRDO carried out probably the largest number of missile tests in the rush to meet the December 2007 deadline.

Asked if the IGMDP was going to be replaced by another programme, Prahlada said there would be a general move towards greater collaborative ventures but this would be decided on a case-by-case basis.

He said two possible models were the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile that is a joint venture between India and Russia run on commercial lines, and the Astra, a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile for which the DRDO is tying up with institutions in at least four countries.

But this model, however, will not be adopted for strategic (read long-range nuclear-capable) missiles like the Surya (which is on the drawing board) and electronic warfare systems.

Pakistan’s 250 JF-17s, 50 F-16: Indias panicky “concern”

JF-17 Thunders
Beyond the JF-17 Thunders. The J-10s etc.
The Y-89 AWACS
Hataf, Ghauri, Babar, Abdali missiles

Su-27s and Su-35

The upgrade programme will cover 30 of the original 40 F-16s acquired by Pakistan between 1983 and 1987.

| NEW YORK | RUPEES NEWS | July 25th, 2008 | Moin Ansari | Indian Airforce crying wolf? or facing shortage of jets? Pakistan started mass production of the JF-17 Thunder on Jan. 20th 2008.Seventeen Thunder F-17s will be inducted into the PAF at the end of 2008. The ultimate goal is to have about 300-500 of these fighters in the PAF. About 50 percent of the on-board equipment and avionics for the fighter would be manufactured in Pakistan at the Kamra plant, and the rest of the assembly parts would come from China. The planes come fitted with “Beyond Visual Range Missiles” and expanded custom developed functionality to reach far away targets without refueling. It can fire the Pakistani developed nuclear tipped missiles and Pakistani cruise missiles also. The indigenous production capability will increase exponentially because also wants to export these planes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgTciEyWaFE

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Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Fighter plane: US sanctions and external existential threats forced Pakistan to go Nuclear, build missiles and develop its own indigenous Fighter jet.It created a Nuclear deterrent, indigenous Al Khalid Tanksand a missile program that is the envy of South Asia.. The current situation. Pakistan: US package for Gilani –food,flights, F-16s, 15 Billion

The IAF has huge plans to spend $126 Billion on aircraft. If and when that materializes is subject to much discussion. The facts on the ground tell us that India’s role in the development of the Sukhoi role is miniscule. How could tow air forces develop a brand new plane in 1.5 years (October 2007-Jan 2009)?

“unless immediate steps are taken to arrest the reduction in IAF’s force levels, the nation will, for the first time in its history, lose the conventional military edge over Pakistan”. The previous IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi warned the UPA government.

The failure is not limited to aircraft development, there is a trend here. Indian missle failures. Scrap the program?

NEW DELHI: The Indian defence establishment is “concerned” by the US decision to divert $230 million in aid to Pakistan from counter-terrorism programmes to upgrade its F-16 fighter jets.

“Acquisition of new airborne capabilities by Pakistan is definitely a matter of concern for us since it’s always primarily directed at us. If US thinks Pakistan will only use its upgraded F-16s for counter-terrorism, it’s sadly mistaken,” said a top defence officer, who refused to be named.

Western Air Command (WAC) chief, Air Marshal P K Barbora, in turn, said, “Every country does what it thinks is needed for its defence requirements. The question is what is going to be given to Pakistan with the F-16 upgrade programme.” Trail of tears and failure: Indian missiles.

The Bush administration, on its part, holds Pakistan’s F-16s will be upgraded with advanced targeting, precision-guided munitions (PGMs) and radar systems to improve their capability to attack terrorist targets along the volatile Afghan border. Chinese technology exports to Pakistan: JF-17 Thunder, J-10s, J-11s

This upgrade programme of the 30 of the original 40 F-16s acquired by Pakistan between 1983 and 1987, however, comes after Washington also agreed to sell Islamabad 18 to 25 spanking new F-16 variants, armed with a wide array of advanced missiles.

JF-17 Thunders Beyond the JF-17 Thunders. The J-10s etc.

“Moreover, Pakistan will begin inducting the first lot of the planned 250 JF-17 ‘Thunder’ fighters from China by end-2008. We obviously have to keep a close watch on this. Fighters are weapons of war, not of counter-terrorism,” said another officer.

But even as it grapples with a steady downturn in the number of its fighter squadrons, down to just 32 from the “sanctioned strength” of 39.5, IAF is “not too worried” at the developments. Russia elides India in Flanker Su-30 development

“We have our own plans of new acquisitions and upgrades of existing fleets to boost our defence preparedness,” said Air Marshal Barbora, whose command is primarily responsible for guarding the skies on the entire western front. Air Forces in South Asia: PAF counters IAF strategy.

For one, plans for faster induction of the 230 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia in deals worth around $8.5 billion are currently underway. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, for instance, is working towards completing its licensed production of 140 Sukhois by 2013-2014 instead of the earlier 2017-2018.

Interestingly, IAF has drawn up plans to progressively base its new Sukhois on the western front after the eastern front. The Halwara airbase in WAC, which houses the almost moth-balled MiG-23s, will be among the first bases to get the new Sukhois. The declining Indo-Russian relationship. Delhi scrambles for new arms sources but they come with strings.

Then, of course, after “upgrades” of 125 MiG-21 ‘Bisons’ and around 100 MiG-27s and Jaguars with new weapon and avionics packages, India has signed a $964 million deal with Russia to refit its 63 MiG-29s. A similar deal is in the pipeline with France for IAF’s 51 Mirage-2000s. Chinese J-11s.

The Y-89 AWACS
Hataf, Ghauri, Babar, Abdali missiles

Su-27s and Su-35

Crescent daggers
Pakistan’s “214 Subs” made in Karachi

5th Generation Su-35 spinoffs made in China as J-11s

Pakistan rapidly moving beyond basic JF-17 Thunders. The J-10s J-11s and newer versions of JF-17

The Pakistani hawks in the sky: Y-89 AWACS

Nothing succeeds like success: Hataf, Ghauri, Babar, Abdali missiles

3 New shipyards support Pakistani ship building & Frigates

Pakistan already has a Nuclear Deal with China! India tried to raise expectations to portend failure!

Tanks: Bharati Arjun vs. Pakistani Al Khalid

IAF vs PAF: Defined by IAF

Russian 5th generation Su 35s spinoff of Su 27 Made in China as J-11China achieves techonological independence in arms productionRussian Arms–Made in China With $30 Billion China building Jxx 5th Generation Fighter

Beyond Pakistani made JF-17 Thunders & Chinese made J-10s: When will the PAF acquire and manufacture the J-11s (as the JF-18)?

Indian missile failuresWhy doesn’t Russia transfer plane technology to India?

When will Delhi ground the New Flying Coffins?Indo Russian bickering disputes delay FGFA to stretch target in 2017 How Andul Kalam stole US NASA secrets for India

PAF: Nuclear armed deterrent to hegemony

JF-17 Thunders: Designed, built and operationalized in a record time of 4 years. Custom built for Pakistani needs
Serial production of JF-17 Thunder expedited:30-50 per year to 100 per annum
Beyond the Pakistani made JF-17 Thunder Fighter Plane, Chinese made J-10s.PAF next acquisition the J-11s?
Pakistan defense based on missile nuclear deterrent Hataf, Shaheen Babar and Abdali Hamza: Pakistan’s Augusta class Subs made in Karachi Pakistan’s 500 Al-Khalid tanks have been in production since 2001. Next generation tanks exported via IDEAS Pakistani made UAVs: Uqaab & Jasoos

Crescent daggers
Pakistan’s “214 Subs” made in Karachi

5th Generation Su-35 spinoffs made in China as J-11s

Pakistan rapidly moving beyond basic JF-17 Thunders. The J-10s J-11s and newer versions of JF-17

The Pakistani hawks in the sky: Y-89 AWACS

Nothing succeeds like success: Hataf, Ghauri, Babar, Abdali missiles

3 New shipyards support Pakistani ship building & Frigates

Pakistan already has a Nuclear Deal with China! India tried to raise expectations to portend failure!

IAF vs PAF: Defined by IAFTanks: Bharati Arjun vs. Pakistani Al Khalid

Russian 5th generation Su 35s spinoff of Su 27 Made in China as J-11Russian Arms–Made in ChinaWith $30 Billion China building Jxx 5th Generation Fighter

China achieves techonological independence in arms production

Beyond Pakistani made JF-17 Thunders & Chinese made J-10s: When will the PAF acquire and manufacture the J-11s (as the JF-18)?

Indian missile failuresWhy doesn’t Russia transfer plane technology to India?

When will Delhi ground the New Flying Coffins?Indo Russian bickering disputes delay FGFA to stretch target in 2017 How Andul Kalam stole US NASA secrets for India PAF: Nuclear armed deterrent to hegemony

How Abdul Kalam Stole US secrets for Delhi’s rockets Delhi’s Tejas World Record: 500th Flying coffin crashes

Pakistan’s F-22 Frigates made in Karachi

Chinese SAMs S-300s for Pakistan

When with Iranian S-300s be operational?

Why did Pakistan buy fewer F-16s?

6 Responses to “The Delhi Dud Report on Indian Defense: Arms that don't work”

langrialz says:

August 1, 2009 at 12:20 am

I am already scared of india hahahahaha, big country and 8 times more hindus then total population of pakistan.

The best thing abt this artical is that it makes me think that india is a funny country. I really mean it, it provides humour, and makes us laugh when every one in the world is so serious; india comes up with an idea which is really humourous and funny and world is again a safe and happy place.

For example when US invaded afghanistan, world was sad, pakistanis were angry but india came up with a bright idea to cheer every one up, they piggybacked US, while sitting on their sholders they archestrated a mumbai drama thought of doing surgical strikes in pakistan. Lolzzz its funny when i think tht they were attacking us with dud missiles, i wonder their mulfunctioned missiles had a fault of taking a U trun after launch and few brahmans would have hit. That would have a lot more funny situation then cheap and weak nation like india mostly provides.

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Jhelumi Jutt says:

August 1, 2009 at 12:20 am

indian expertise in design engineering is not limited to arms development.

I have worked aboard an Indian built vessel. The cabins had cuoboards with doors that would swing open with the sligtest roll. I also had the pleasure of observing a novel soap dish design in the shower cubicle. It had no holes in it and would rapiidly fill up with water. Both thruster were chronically unreliable. The structual integrity of the ship crane was seriously lacking. The controls and instruments on electrical panels were poorly aligned. The vessel was unstable in the calmest of sea conditions. Externally , I could not observe a single straight panel…… The list goes on and on.

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Muhammad Asad says:

February 5, 2010 at 1:35 pm

Moin Bhai Keep it up, we r with u, Allah is with u
we love you

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- Moin Ansari says:
  
  February 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm
  
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Dev Kant Bose says:

February 6, 2010 at 1:14 am

Moin ansari saheb,

Look at the positive side. Their missiles dont work- maybe their dams- the 62 they are building on the Western rivers-won’t too!!!

Dev Kant

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- Moin Ansari says:
  
  February 6, 2010 at 9:04 am
  
  Bose saheb:
  
  One of the dams was either blown up or imploded
  
  We don’t make up the news, we simply report it—as you may have noticed…all reports on Bharati missiles are based on Bharati media.
  
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