Many Australians say that it takes two to tango. The Aussies believe that the carping in the Indian media is exaggerated and counterproductive. Australians react to 80,000 (what they call) “smelly” Indians on campuses with “Dot Busting”.
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Indian students are ubiquitous on Australian campuses, but they have not assimilated into the Australian way of life. On many occasions they have violated their visa status and have started to permeate the landscape around the campuses in search of menial jobs. 80,000 students on a few dozen campuses makes them highly visible. In a slowing economy, there is a growing tide of Anti-Indian feeling among the Aussies. Many Australians feel that the Indian complaints are exaggerated and hide the real truth which usually stem from domestic disputes, lewd behaviour, drunkenness or theft of property. The Australian Police does not accept the Indian claim that racism is involved. Some of the female Indian “students” have been caught as prostitutes, and there is the general perception that many of the Indian students sell drugs in Australia. Some Australians have accused the Indians of using Black Magic for seduction purposes. Australian students also accuse the Indians on cheating in exams and whispering answers in Hindi and other languages not understood by Australians.
A section of Australia feels that they are being overwhelmed by India. Many Aussies accuse the Indians of forcing their Indian culture on campuses by celebrating their hundreds of festivals and cooking their foods in inappropriate places like hallways and TV lounges. Sydney beaches are full of the drunk Indian students ogling and harassing the women. The Australians also accuse the Indians of gender bias and mistreating female instructors. One of the “attacked” Indian males was soliciting sex for money. Being gay in India is frowned upon. Many gay Indian students visit the seedy parts of town seeking gay activity. Not knowing the Australian culture, sometimes they end up in the wrong part of town and end up in trouble. The Indians do not own cars, so they walk on streets in the wee hours of the morning, something totally alien to Australian culture. They are sometimes mistaken for drug dealers or thieves. Many Australians are armed. There have been cases when the Indians tried to steal property and were caught up in vigilante justice.
“”I have not seen the evidence that they were racist,”.Australian High Commissioner John McCarthy. Sify News. 2009-05-29 21:40:50
Victoria University’s vice-president for international students, Andrew Holloway, says the attacks are not racist, but reflect the fact that Indian students often have part-time jobs that entail them using public transport late at night. Radio Australia News. Last Updated: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:47:00 +1000
The complaints against the Indian stem from the living habits of the students. Hard up for cash most of them cram up in small little apartment where subletting from one student to the other is the norm. Unlike most other Asian students the Indians live in off-campus dilapidated apartments. One major source of complaint is the cooking habits of the Indians. The use of “hing” is unique to the Indians. Not only does “hing” smell up the entire apartment complex, when mixed with various other spices, the smell permanently camps out in the furniture and clothing.
New Delhi/Melbourne: With more attacks being reported on Indian students in Sydney and Melbourne, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Friday spoke to his Australian counterpart Kevin Rudd and urged him to take all possible steps to ensure the security of Indians in Australia.Sify News
Australia has about 400,000 foreign students. The Malaysians, Lankans, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis either live in the dorms, or live in well to do apartments. Unlike the Indians, most of them also enjoy Australian foods. They do not face similar complaints. In a recent poll, most Australians had a negative view of the students from India whom they found obnoxious and very aggressive.
India has summoned Australia’s top envoy in the country to express concern over a series of assaults on Indian students. The incidents are raising diplomatic tensions between the two countries. India is expressing outrage over a number of attacks on its young people studying in Australia. India Outraged by Attacks on Students in Australia By Steve Herman New Delhi 29 May 2009
This sort of diplomatic aggressiveness will boomerang. Already there are signs that the Australians are tired of the carping. Privately the Aussies are seething at the Indian attitude. “Who they hell they think they are?. If they don’t like it, they can go back to Smellyland”.
Official say there have been at least four such violent incidents in the past month but the attacks began several years ago and have increased considerably in the last year. The minister for overseas Indian affairs, VayalarRavi, has met with the top Australian envoy to express his concern and insist Australia do more to prevent future attacks.
Australian police say in most cases the Indian students were at the wrong place at the wrong time and were assaulted by “opportunistic” criminals. But a number of Indian media outlets are labeling Australia a racist country contending Indians are being singled out for criminal violence. Australia’s High Commissioner (Ambassador), John McCarthy, spoke to reporters following his meeting here with the Indian government official. India Outraged by Attacks on Students in Australia By Steve Herman New Delhi 29 May 2009
Wrong place and the wrong time is Australian euphemism for “Indian Go Home” you are the in the wrong place, which is Australia.
India’s top diplomat in Australia, high commissioner Sujatha Singh, rejected police claims that racism was not a factor in the attacks. Indian cable news channels have run back-to-back stories on the attacks in recent days, devoting hours of debate to whether Australia is a racist nation and unsafe for Indian students. In one interview, Australia was described as a “hotbed of hate crimes”, while The Hindustan Times newspaper, which claims to have broken the story this week, ran a front-page story about the screwdriver attack, warning: “If you are an Indian wanting to study in Australia, take note.” The Australian. Amanda Hodge and Matthew Clayfield | May 30, 2009
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We are not feeling safe basically in Australia, we are not feeling safe at all,” one of them told the Herald Sun. Another Indian said: “They told us that it is a multicultural country, you know, but after living here for three years. Herald Sun.
The Australians complain that the Indians never take baths, and smell of sweat and spices, and destroy the aroma of the indoors. Unlike other Asians, many Indians are very fond of loitering in front of their apartment complexes with loud music blaring the latest out of Bollywood. Another unique feature which puts them at odds with the Australians is the fact that most of the Indian students away from family restrictions are very fond of drinking. Australians think this invites trouble for them. Dot Buster was a term invented in New Jersey in the 80s. It has now become the derisive term to use for Indians in Australia. In England all Indians became “Pakis”, and in the USA they were call “Elephant jocks” as well as “Smelly Niggers”. As one Dot Buster said “Nothing worse than a smelly drunk Indian trying to entice Australian women“. The Indians do not have much of a choice. Apart from a few institutions, most Indian universities are over crowded and do not offer either the instructional facilities or the curriculum needed in the modern world. Many religious institutions have opened Science and Technology Institutes in India, but the main thrust of their education remains Ram Raj.
Bubbly Johar, who runs Johar’s Education Centre, an education consultancy in New Delhi, said many parents of students considering education in Australia had contacted him because they are worried about safety.
“These attacks will definitely have an impact on the market because parents are calling me up and they are very concerned,” said Mr Johar, who is vice-president of the Association of Australian Education Representatives in India.
“The media coverage here is encouraging parents to rethink whether they should send their children to Australia for studies. We can’t assure them that they will be safe – it’s a very precarious situation for us.” Schools could lose out after student attacks. Matt Wade Herald Correspondent in New Delhi. May 30, 2009
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In a testy response to the Indian cribbing, the Australians have pooh paahd the Indian complaints, telling the Indians not to get involved in street crimes and drunkenness.
Melbourne, May 28 (IANS) In the wake of the attacks on Indian students in the country, an Australian police officer is to travel to India to brief prospective students on avoiding street violence in Australia, media reports said. Police community liaison officer Senior Constable Victor Robb said that his advice would mainly cover “safety strategy tips”, Radio Australia reported Thursday.
“Probably much the same sort of information I would give my own daughter if she was going overseas,” Robb said.Attack on Indian students: Australian official to visit India May 28th, 2009 – 3:32 pm ICT by IANS
Many Indians have started calling themselves Latinos, Malaysians, or Pakistanis. They are usually too dark to pass off as the Pakistanis or Latinos, so they are immediately discovered. Their dietary habits of not eating meat gives them away in a few seconds. Also the red dot on their forehead is a dead giveaway. Almost every Indian student has a harrowing tale of being bullied, threatened, and cat called at. Many Indians have begun to hide they Rakhi bands on heir hands so that people do not know that they are from India.
“It was clear criminal activity. I have not seen the evidence that they are racist [attacks] but I wasn’t there. I wouldn’t discount it,” he said. “Some racism exists in Australia. It’s appalling. We condemn it but we have to face up to the fact.” Australia’s foreign minister, Stephen Smith, spoke on the telephone with his Indian counterpart. Following that conversation S.M. Krishna told reporters that Smith told him Australia is promising to protect the well-being of Indians studying there.
“He has assured me no such incident will happen again,” said Krishna. In one of the latest attacks, 25-year-old Sravan Kumar Theerthala, is in a coma in an Melbourne hospital. Police say he was stabbed withascrewdriver and three other students were beaten at a party by a group of locals who had not been invited. A 17-year-old male has been arrested in connection with that incident.
Another attack this week occurred in Sydney where an Indian student was badly burned after being hit with a petrol bomb. Australian police say they have arrested four suspects in another incident, caught by surveillance cameras, in which a 21-year-old was assaulted three weeks ago on a train by a group of young men.
Indians compose the second-largest group of overseas students in Australia. In Melbourne alone there are 50,000 Indian students where police say nearly one third of robbery victims in the city’s western suburbs are Indians. India Outraged by Attacks on Students in Australia By Steve Herman New Delhi 29 May 2009
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Kenneth T. Tellis (kenttellis@hotmail.com) adds:
Memories are things that remind us of things that happened in the past. I had while in Australia many years ago met Australian vets of Japanese prisoner-of-war camps in Malaya during World War II. These POW camps were guarded by members of the Indian National Army of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose.
But the INA guards routinely tortured or executed Australians, Kiwis and Britons for minor infractions of the rules. But, in some cases Allied prisoners-of-war were taken outside the camp and shot for not saluting the INA guard. I heard these stories from Vets, and some were in a very bad state after they were liberated in 1945.
Perhaps these stories are still circulating and some Australians are still angry because someone in their family was either tortured or killed by members of the INDIAN NATIONAL ARMY auxiliaries attached to the Imperial Japanese Army of occupation in Malaya.
Sometimes we reap what we sow. This is happening in Jammu and Kashmir at the hands of the Indian occupation forces there. I
would not say that it is entirely wrong what Australians are doing to the Indians, when I was in Africa and Indian forces massacred both Africans and Belgian working for UNIONE MINIERE on Christmas Day 1962, at the Roman Catholic Church in Jadotville, Katanga province, Congo.
if u search around there are similar more cases happened against indian in uk and even russia in the last couple fo year try to update with that thanx
Nabil:
There is this Indian guy who keeps deriding Pakistanis in Austrialia. When I saw this story I coudn’t resist the perfect article.
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i know wat u mean moin there are lot of cases in ur article u mentioned they call themself pakistani or latinos this is going on many parts of the world mean they say we are the hated one and on the other part they call themslef pakistani just to avoid the humiliation man seriously these guys need to watch other news channels just to know wat other ppl think of indians they are like a frog who spent his entire life in a well doesnt know the outside world
and when i mentioned similar things happened to indians in uk and russia i meant the same thing
Moin,
Your article spews of hatred for indians and as usual with your twisted logic, you are implying that these students brought these attacks upon themselves.
I don’t see any ounce of sympathy for these victims.
It’s appaling to see you stoop so low to score a point.
We just presented an unbiased point of view and listed the Australian perspective as well as the Indian one. The Australians think that they are the victims of an invasion.
[...personalization deleted] Who just wants to bleed India by a thousand cuts.By which ever means that may be.These Aussies call Indians smelly- sure cause they dont wear expensive perfume like Aussies.Without the perfumes,who knows how Aussies smell.Indians view Australian women from a distance.They will never even try getting into any sort of relationship with them(who sleep with multiple partners).Indians are disciplined and give respect to elders-Guranteed
Please take up your beef with the Aussies. We have nothing to do with this spat. Though Edison does smell a lot of Indian Curry (hinge and sambhar and dosa) and Americans hate that.
Yo Moin, Nabil,Pakazad, et all.
Sure [edited] has shown his true [edited] colors and put lot of time to delicately put his brand of Indian bashing…, we can read between lines. ‘Pak*s assimilate with Aussies unlike Indians’ ! Give me a break , Pak*s are most ghetto-bound despisable community around the world, as student, or as settled immigrant community. Make no mistake – just because you can take occasional steak with your Gora colleague; that U became his buddy…LOL…
Most American co-students like colorful Hindu festivals across US universities and take part in Holi, Diwali, etc.
The fact that is bothering your kind, is the sheer numbers and affordability of Indians worldwide to pay for their education in univs around the World…compared to some 100 odd from Pakistan…Well, we are at higher level so don’t waste our time comparing to a failed country :( That is a western Passtime.
In Edison, Indian restaurants have many American patrons., same in Houston,LA, Cleveland,Detroit,Chicago,etc…not to mention NYC.
Pak*s have ghettos in places like Bradford, where they don’t even know English and talk Urdu…The Brits know who assimilate better., and who are one of most peaceful community in the World.
So dude, shut the [edited] up !!
Only thing I agree, many fresh indians going to study abroad should watch their public behaviour and learn western mannerisms.
Before Complaining on others and naming them Racists, Indians should cleanse themselves. Starting from the Racism of Maharashtr Nav Nirman Sena’s action to Telangana Rashtra Samiti’s leader’s comments reflect racism. This is even acknowledged by Andhra Pradesh state’s Chief Minister YS Rajasekhar Reddy.
When Indian’s cannot take people from another state to come and stay in their states, complaining about people of another country to do so is out of morale. They should help their country first with rallies and protests before starting demonstrations else where.
Looks like truth hit a raw nerve.
Never heard of 500 attacks on Paksitani students…why do Aussies pick on Indians. Why are Indians so hated in Australia and the world?
Pakistani students in the US make up the top countries in the world (in terms of number of foreign students) producing more AQ. Khans every day.
I think you should visit The Truth about Gandhi
Mrpatra
Isn’t it great that Inda was under Muslim rule and influence for 1000 years?
Today you can be proud that many Americans enjoy Mughlai cuisine in Indian restaurants!
Australia has about 400,000 foreign students. The Malaysians, Lankans, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis either live in the dorms, or live in well to do apartments. Unlike the Indians, most of them also enjoy Australian foods. They do not face similar complaints. In a recent poll, most Australians had a negative view of the students from India whom they found obnoxious and very aggressive.
100% true… I don’t understand why North Indians want everyone to follow their culture.
Remember, when you are in Rome.. be a Roman… don’t expect Romans to follow Indian culture…
Dear Mr. Ansari, there are various things in your so called “clash between India and Australia” which are just unbelievable. An Indian calling himself a Pakistani! excuse me, in which part of the world have you heard this, I definitely know Pakistani guys who call themselves Indians just to prevent embarrassment, even Nepal citizens call them Nepalese and not Indians. Regarding what you call the stinking nature of Indians, I would rather ask you to stay away and stop smelling Indian a[edited]es and do some productive stuffs like analysing the truth before you comment your senseless thoughts. Talking about hinges and other spices used while cooking which cramps up clothes and furniture, I very well know that and this is the smell that most Australians like and is the reason why they prefer Indian restaurants. I have hardly heard about anyone speaking about Pakistani restaurants (do they exist), I don’t think even you might have heard about it Mr. Ansari. “in a recent poll, most Australians had a negative view of the students from India whom they found obnoxious and very aggressive. “ I would like to know which poll is this. I would appreciate if you could provide me the link to this poll. When talking about Indians and others so called “Asians”, you flaunt as if Pakistan is the richest country on this planet and you’ll stay in posh rooms and suburbs, idiots, do you have any idea what you are talking about, so base, no evidence, no sense to whatever you have mentioned in this blog. If Indians don’t stay in posh suburbs or apartments, well at least they are happy and have a good time with each other. And what makes you say that Pakistanis don’t stay cramped up in small rooms, no base again right Mr. Ansari. Please remember one thing, a student life is a poor life and no matter where you are from, you do live life cramped even if you don’t wish to, unlike some rich kids.
One thing that I would like to make absolutely clear is that. The recent attacks were not at all racist and were all targeted attacks. Australians are very good at heart and are in a customer service environment and I know what I am talking, though there are some idiots who mess up and stamp Australians as ‘racists’. Same goes to Indians, I wouldn’t say Indians are right all the time, they need to behave and adjust as per the country’s environment and not act smart. And to some idiots like you, people like you cause conflicts and damages to the relations that exist between Indians and Australians by posting blogs of this sort.
If you like to gain popularity and fame, why not do something else rather than receiving abuses for every blog that you write. Think smart Mr. Ansari [deleted]
Truth hurts, and a skunk smells.
Mcquin,
Indian food is well liked due to the Musliim inspired Mughlai cuisine. Not many non Indians enjoy the real Indian food – dhaal, roti, aloo gobi etc.
Mughlai cuisine is part of the proud Muslim Pakistani heritage.
“India” is as ephremeral as the Equator–Winston Churchill
Some call everything “India”. The French called vietnam and Cambodia “India”. The Dutch called Indonesia (INDO-NESIA) “India” . The Danish, the Portueguese, the Arabs, the Persoans also had their own versions of “India”.
I am not sure which cave this person lives in, but in the US there are tons of Pakistani restaurants that serve BBQ, Tikka, Nans, Sajji, Balti Gosht, Shami Kababs, Chapli Kababs, Nihari, Karahai chicken which is exclusively Pakistani food. There is a distinct difference between Indian and Paksitani cuisine in terms of garnishing, quantity, meat, spices and presentation.
Some Northern Bharati foods are common, but there is more lamb in Bhrat and more beef and mutton in Pakistan. Bharati foods emphasize spices, specially “hinge” (very smelly) and Pakistani foods are very light in spices. For example Chapli kababs only use slat and balck pepper, and Karahai chicken has just a couple of spices.
Of course Southen and Eastern Bharati foods are totally different and there are few things in common.
Hello Mr.Moin,
Well done!
You have revealed the true color of the Indians in Australia. I wish Indians read your blog carefully and improve themselves.
By the way, I also would like to add the racist nature of the Indians at their home-soil as follows:
Life is all about action & reaction, what you do, you get in return.
In this sense Indians practice in their home-country, a lot of hatred, prejudices, discriminations and racial attitudes towards their own people in the name of lower castes, un-touchables, tribals, north-east people etc and also a lot toward the Nepalese, Bhutanese, Tibetans, Chinese, Africans etc.
So, what they [Indians] did or doing to others at home are being done to them when they go developed countries like Australia, USA, UK, Russia, Germany or elsewhere in Europe, the law of karma upheld!
I am not surprised at a Pakistani making a living out of writing blog. Poor chap has all the right to write anything to eat food. Please let him write it guys. by allowing him do this, you’ll help him get food and shelter for his family. Or maybe he’ll save money and come to India like most of pakistani artists are doing.
Instead of discussing the content, you discuss personalities. Great minds discuss ideas, small minds attacks people.
This site discusses the entire planet, the US, China, Russia, Central Asia, Europe, UK, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Why should Bharat be an exception?
Making a living at writing. Hmm!! We don’t see any ads on this site. Do you? Adnan Sami Khan recently said that moving to Bharat was the biggest mistake of his life, and he hates Bharat. He wants to move back.
“India” is as ephremeral as the Equator–Winston Churchill. Right Said Moin!! except that there’s a small problem. There was no Pakistan at that time when Churchill made this remark. India and Pakistan were one country then. Isn’t it obvious that in UK, even if Indians are termed as [...], then the caucasian race actually thinks that Indians and Pakistanis are the same. Have you forgotten that Prince Harry actually thought that Ragheads (Sardarjis) and [...] are the same. If the percentage of Pakistanis in Australia were more than the Indians then even Pakistanis would have faced the same sort of racism that the Indians are facing.
Don’t be ashamed of your identity “Brown Skin” which is similar to Indians. Be Proud of both your civilisations which is thousands of years old (Unless you belong to the Islamic Taliban who hate Hindus), unlike the Australians who were european convicts exiled to Australia and who committed genocide against the Brown/Black skin Aboriginals. You have nothing to be ashamed of your races in Australia, UK, or USA. Racism Exists in the world and it will catch up with the Brown skin just as it did with the Black Skin long ago.
Churchill’s statement clearly said “there is no ‘India’ “.
“Pakistan” on the other hand has been in existance for thousands of years under different names–Bactria, Melhuha–Pakistan is only the Muslim avatar of an ancient civilization.
Pakistan has existed for 5000 years and was never part of any “India”. The British came to South Asia and found 570 states. They left with 570 states and two dominions, Bharat and Pakistan. Akhand Bharat exists in the minds of the Hindu Mhasabah.
The 7000 year old Pakistani Civilization existed on the banks of the Indus and had nothing to do with the Ganges.
http://rupeenews.com/2007/11/27/the-geographic-two-nation-theory-pakistan-existed-5000-years-ago/
Not sure why Uk confusion between Arabs and Indian and Pakistan is of any consequence to anyone excep that it gives you a chance to repeat racial bigotry over and over again. One can return the favor by saying Elephant dung, Dot busters, piss-drinkers, Computer coolies, and blackies but we won’t.
Well it seems that HATE INDIA feeling is going strong everywhere these days and I am just loving the fact that people are beginning to realize how pathetic and pig-headed these Indian really are !!
Racist Australia ?? look at urself u Indians before commenting on Racism towards Aussies !! wait , do u even know the meaning of Racism ?? or u Indians , pig-headed as u all are just using this word to get noticed ? u all r desperate for attention right ? from US , from ur neighboring countries who hate u from the core of their heart and now Australia !! satisfied now ??
I suggest stop giving Australian Visas to these people !!
I guess India is one of most hated country in the whole wide world or if not…..it should be . they keep spreading their illiterate population like a swine Flu everywhere they go !!
Brother Moin AOA
I am a fan of yours and Rupee News.
Well said brother and keep spreading the truth.
Can I have your email address please so that I may contact to you personally.
Waiting for your reply.
Thanks and best regards
Haji Muhammad
Indian students need more protection from these ignorant stupid bullies.
Austrilian students should understand that indians do not need to eat meat ,learn some hindi , have respect for indian people and real estate apartments should be in better condition for them.
Indians stand proud and fight these ratbags….
Miya Moin ,
What you are claming pakistan today as a nation will not be a nation in future & today’s pakistani civilization ( ? ) is not truely indiginous . It is arabophilic, anti indiginous, anti ancetral culture importing evrything of tehjib from barbaric arabs. The
culture has little innovation and life and hence Pakistan is one the most backward counrty today.
We already know the mentality–your repeating it only confirms our beliefs.
Your lack of knowledge about Pakistan is based on your temple indoctrination which refuses to accept the reality of Nuclear powered Pakistan. If you ever get to visit it, you will not believe your eyes–your sterotypical image will be shattered when you see a modern country which has better infrastructure than Bharat can ever imagine–better roads, better airports, better freeways, better cities…
…we don’t want to convince you of anything—keep reveling in your hate–now we know why the planet hates Indians.
looks like drunken pakistan day dreaming on the border of India
Have you been living in a cave–or are the drugs from Khumb Mela getting to your fried brains–haven’t you been reading the headlines lately! They are burning Indians in the streets, beating up the Indian cab drivers and blowing up temples in Melbourne
Indian lack of understanding and ignorance – nothing of the sort is happening in Australia. No worse that general violence. So take you bigoted and ignorant views that have been blown out of proportion by the Indian media and put them where the sun does not shine.
This is one of the best and most open articles I have read about the problem of Indians – this is problem that is endemic in the UK, Canada and now Australia. There are all sorts of scams going on here (Australia) – residence, education, etc.
I work with all types of people of different races but Indians – don’t want to work for them, with them or mix with them.
Again more ignorance – the article is very good and does reveal the truth. Having trouble accepting no doubt. We live a different way in Australia.
Excellent response – I congratulate you. There are Indians in the UK, Canada, Australia that are long established professionals and business people. They accept the Australian way of the way of the country they have chosen and do well.
The people that come to ‘study’ in Australia are more trouble than they are worth – they are involved in all sorts of scams and have refined the art of the complainer.
You guys have having a hard time accepting that your fellow countrymen are not particularly liked. This is for all the reasons highlighted in the article.
Some people tend to learn and better themselves. Work to fit in and enjoy living in another society. The people that come to Australia from India are a liability and stick out like a sore thumb for all the reasons highlighted.
Thank you for your very informative comments. There is a healthy discusison going on
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TO0ATSBF63GH6PIU2/p2#lastPost
You may want to participate in it
I truly feel bad about what happened in Australia to the Indians because many innocent Indians can get hurt. The India Government needs to work with the Aussies to patch up the relationship by doing some bonding activities or ceremonies.
Great majority of Aussies are kind and warm people but then there are always some bad apples in every country.
To my Indian brothers sisters, if you don’t like being treated badly by racists, then why you are treating your own people such as “Untouchables”, Muslims, and Christians badly? Why are you joining hands with racists to attack or intent to attack your color neighbors?
Do not do to others that you don’t want it to do to you?
Better learn to love your neighbors as thyselves.
Hi Ansari ,
You are absolutely forthright . Trust indians to label anyone telling the truth a Pakistani or Westernstooge. I am a hindu. This kind of flak is nothing new.
God Bless Canada , America , China in short the West for keeping an exhaustive record of the past of many.And cracking the WHIP !! It was downright shhocking to see an andhrakarnatakakollywoodcrimin al (son of a woman principal of some college or school in tamilnadu) notorious for drugging , raping , videotaping & blackmailing many girls,(ofcourse acquitted by vandemataramerabarathmahaanInd ians , priggish sanctimonious maligners of AUSTRALIA ) recently feted , garlanded , fawned over in Middle East by bollykolly worshipping indians including Navarathiri betel leaves exchanging lalita Sahasranamam veterans ((
Clarifications :-
andhrakarnatakakollywoodcrimin al means one of the film actors of india.
Navarathiri betel leaves exchanging lalita Sahasranamam veterans (( means
Indian fauxpious sanctimonious women dutifully invoke Mother Goddess worshipping with potent sacred hymns for during what is popularly called Dussehra/Durga Puja yadayada.
Indians think raping , sodomising , cheating , lying all vices get automatically condoned by a dip in Ganges , wolfing down sweets offered to Icons & of course by conveniently blaming everything on Australia America Britain Canada etc.
Hi Moin Ansari ,
I am reposting my comments in an Indian blog , as they all went apoplectic maligning Australia.
Sheer overreaction of hubris filled Indians. What ism is it that causes ragging , molestation , corruption and so on WITHIN merabharathmahaan India ?
Regarding professions like that of beauticians. Yes , there IS a hell of a lot of difference between being given a facial, haircut etc by a qualified Aesthetician abroad and any Indian within India. Forget high profile Jamuna Pais & Shahnaz Hussains who only hemamalinis & affluent celebs can afford.
For middle class , there are ill qualified ,halfbaked people with shoddy standards and virtually no accountability.And rancid or fake cosmetics. Don’t we excel in that??
Galling temerity we have in finger pointing at the West((
What is so infra dig about being a cook or a barber ? Did not we have ‘dignity of labour’ dinned into us from childhood ? I am a housewife (pc word homemaker).Not a day passes without my sending heartfelt thanks to those who invented washing machines etc thus liberating me from maidservant mafia (pc word domestic help).
Thanks to Internet , help in the form of useful suggestions , good insights are available at the click of a mouse. Indians seldom reach out. Whereas perfect strangers , from America to Australia ( read non indians) do reach out offering precious advice for FREE.
It is time we get over this frog in the well mentality. We deserve to be humbled.
Am no longer awestruck by Indian IITians. Might be skilled in their fields of specialization but alas lacking in commonsense which is ” not so common “. Not only do they genuflect before aol Ravishankars to several dubious avatards but also muzzle free speech , critical thinking all in the name of (sic) ” saving hindooism , marketing of soft brand of hindutva “.
One of the Priests of a well known ancient Temple in Tamil Nadu , proficient in four Vedas ( a Chaturvedi) recently spent a few months in Australia.
On returning he beamed with gratification & said:-
” I saw plenty of Rudraaksha Trees , chanted so many Vedic Mantras including Gayatri to my heart’s content…. “. He was full of glowing reports about Australia & Australians.
He went with his customary tuft , sacred thread , forehead emblazoned with holy ash & returned the same. He was not ridiculed or “targetted” by the (sic) ” racist ” Whites !
Such futuristic moustache twirling betrays your ignorance of stark realities. Instead of strutting about smug based on self congratulatory newsreports, travel around & judge for yourself stripping yourself of all prejudices including religious ones.
The key word is ‘ gravitas ‘. Quantity is of no consequence. I attended a cultural programme presented by Indians in a foreign university.They were ” showcasing India ” for the native Whites.
It was appalling. Replete with jejune bollywood song & dance item numbers. Which were ultra audaciously presented as ” India’s great kathakali , bharathanatyam…”. The burlesque relief came from the elderly silver haired Indian Head of the Dept crooning another bollywood number.
Where the Whites patiently endured , it was unmitigated torture for me. A post doctorate Indian student from southern India came up with a characteristically vacuous question :-
” How do you manage your time here with no sun tv “?
Living a few months in the West (America or Australia whatever) does SOMEthing to you indeed!
I don’t have the qualifications , age , money etc to settle down there. Nevertheless , it was so refreshing to find for the first time everyone is looked upon as a ‘person’. No gender or age biases. No native White ridicules you for your faux pas or broken English. It is the clannish NRI relatives & desis wrestling with identity crisis who blight your stay.
Political correctness permeates everything Indians like me cannot say much. The Whites are very polite and helpful. The facilities they have for senior citizens to children show how much they CARE. No wonder , even young toddlers carry themselves with aplomb.
Whereas , yours truly always looks apologetic for everything including existing. Our very upbringing is fundamentally flawed , being constantly knocked down & bludgeoned.( Spare me hindudtvavadis a lecture about Vedic past, long gone)
It is us the southasians (yes indians like to call themselves that) who are illmannered , rude , uncouth and never follow rules. Lying has become our second nature.
Narrating what I went through. Judge for yourself.
After completing CBSE from Indian School in a Gulf country , I was bludgeoned on my head by hiiighhhly qualified fellow Indians to send my child X to a college in India with cliched diatribe ” west-is-bad-india only great-patriotic-serve your motherland so cheap..”.
What followed was an unalloyed nightmare. Just because we belong to so called forward community , despite X’s qualifying percentages both of us were subjected to a traumatising Inquisition that I don’t want to write in detail. No one would believe.
I was asked to pay a hefty donation along with lots of cameras , watches etc etc made in Japan. The landladylord (with own houses , farmlands , cars , scooters , chunky jewellery etc) took twice the amount of rent simply because we were from Gulf. Periodically cut off water supply.Pesky inquisitive neighbours would simply barge in to gaze around ,tittle tattle , requesting me to shove in cauldrons of idli/dosa batter in my fridge or borrow yoghurt etc.
Just because roses bloomed in a pot which I had nursed , the landlord said:
” I am an engineer; this verandah cannot bear the weight of your plant. You think you are King of Babylon…?”
Landlady decreed:
” In this area you should not wear salwarkameez…only saree…..”
I realised inordinately late what a lot of money & peace I was losing with zilch in return.
Not only was the faculty substandard , periodically classes were suspended , premises leased to film rape & cavorting scenes of south indian movies. The proverbial straw came in the form of AOL Ravishankar making it compulsory for all to hyperventilate his patented skriya.
I was the one who literally yanked X away asking to quit for good.
Regards
Cordially
Rajalakshmi
Hi Moin Ansari ,
Once when an Australian cricketer staying in India expressed his preference for tinned baked beans from Australia Indians went apoplectic screaming “racist..tarnishing india’s image” yadayada.
I was & am amused. NRIs from America while visiting India bring everything from milkpowder , cream of rice , soaps tissues etc etc from America. After coming to Kuwait & becoming bedridden with malaria , dysentery , typhoid whatnot on every successive visits to the vandemataramotherlandIndia , I also carry milk powder made in Australia/New Zealand/Europe etc while going to India.
Our very Hindu Gods get thoroughly adulterated faux honey , faux rosewater , faux sandalwoodpaste for ritualistic anointing. So I carry best pure from here all made in Germany/Australia/UK/America etc. The President of Ramanasramam in Thiruvannamalai remarked:
” Our Bhagavan Likes Pure Products from WHITES “
Three words you will never hear from them ” I AM SORRY “.Pompously garrulous , raunchy , lecherous gluttons they are. Indians are consummate liars.
Guileless Westerners come to India in search of spiritual quest , enlightenment. Unfortunately get caught in the grip of criminal charlatans & fauxgurus. The following link is extremely revelatory:-
http://www.guruphiliac.blogspot.com/
http://artoflivingfree.blogspot.com/
Hi Moin Ansari ,
I don’t know where to post the following comments of mine. I wrote them in ivarta (rediff.com) in the name of kalidas. Rediff also deletes many comments of mine. Hence reposting here before they get deleted.
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When Maanikkavaachakar was persecuted by the king & mutely watched by aam & angoor janata Lord Parameshwara came as a Stunning Jihadist riding Arabian Horses. Those well versed in unabridged PeriyaPuraanam ought to be aware of it!
18 kalidas on Saturday :
I recall our Kaanchi Seer telling during BabrimasjidRamTemple negotiations , that the Muslim representative (can”t recall His name) ” is the most docile , peaceful & perfect Gentleman ” unlike us the belligerent disparate arrogant. No wonder a lot of hindus were unfazed & jubilant during His “arrest”.
17 kalidas on Saturday :
Ramana Bhagavan , as a young boy would regularly circumambulate a Murugan Temple with a MUSLIM boy. Bhagavan”s orthodox (Brahmin) mother would pack the SAME prasad (sweetsavouries shorteats) for both of them to be shared & enjoyed.
16 kalidas on Saturday :
Above all , Muslim Dawood Ibrahim or Christian George Bush or any Chinaman or any AUSTRALIAN did not ” arrest ” our Kaanchi Shankarachaarya.We the grateSsivabhakthaas have been gorging enormous sweetsavouries undeterred, festivalssing, stroking our bellies, cricketing, backtoback cinemasenjoying & burping NamaPaarvathiPathayae…. HaraHaraMahadaevaa…verygoodverygood…
15 kalidas on Saturday :
I have immense respect towards a Dawood Ibrahim. He never called Lord Rama a (sic)drunkard sans IIT in engineering ; He is not prancing inside Temples with pelvic thrusts belting out bawdy blasphemous item numbers. He is not looting hindu Temples.Thank God , he is not ” donating ” a pittance to temples like kollymaestros & bollykollymustachetwirlers ensuring hawklike, their names be engraved , emblazoned on granite to cassette cover as the “great donator to Rama , Ssiva , MahaVishnu…”.He is not screaming in earsplitting decibels from all loud speakers like SPB etc etc haraharasivasivanamasivayaannamalaiyaesaranam or slapping his thighs like a yesudas challenging Guruvayur Krishna his voice will open the doors.
14 kalidas on Saturday :
When I moved from a town to a metro in Tamilnadu , there was this MUSLIM guy(God Bless Him & his family!) who was introduced by the professional packers with a “..This one man alone is enough for you madam..”. So silently, efficiently, impeccably he did not just packing & moving. He had assessed what I was going through. He unpacked & neatly arranged EVERYTHING including kitchen stuff.It was not his job at all. Swami Vivekananda says only such a ” focussed person alone qualifies for Spirituality “. Take note horripilatingly faux pious hindus.
13 kalidas on Saturday :
Oh God ! A person”s credentials alone matter NOT religion. To give an analogy a Javed Akthar is anyday of scintillating credentials than aol Ravishankar.I prefer a Naseeruddin Shah to the entire cacaphonous conglomerate of kollybollybadshahs. Give me anyday Mohd Rafi not SPB of kollywood. This is my personal OPINION. Not debating. Spare me quotations all you nincompoops.
http://www.forum.ivarta.com/India-needs-Muslim-Prime-Minister-Amar-Singh/515322.htm
Hi Moin ,
You are right. I have been a frog in the well.
It has become the nature of media & most Indians herdlike to come out with kitnaa mahaan thae blahblah as soon as any minister dies. Extremely cruel is the fact they die natural deaths.
If it is Sonia Gandhi & Rahul who have successfully disabled the amarnaam tumarnaam vietnam communist brigade as alleged by many I am extremely happy ! Because bjp also has no special ideology ; were not averse to allying with marxists.
Such is the deterioration in our expectations , the micromanager of opinions Cho Ramaswamy who many glorify often says :-
” We have no choice but to elect either a Rapist , Smuggler , Dacoit , Criminal Thug “.
And people laugh uproariously as if tickled((
Indisputable absolutely !! Point being , do we WANT this faux ethics , faux election , faux democracy ?? My personal opinion Indians need to be ruled over. By a Benevolent Dictator.
I am sick sick of our maladies being cossetted , cradled by citing past history alone. I want better quality of life. I am not exactly pining to live in a wigwam or communist vietnam. Americabashers among indians invariably gloat(sic)” America lost , vietnam won “. This comes from many pompous IITians IIMians (
Having stagnated in India watching my near & dear ones stagnating & prematurely wilting in merabarathvandemataram India & having a taste of life in Gulf ( thank God for American , Western influence ) the scales have dropped.
ALLAH & JESUS CHRIST also take very good care of us the hindus.
The entire pantheon of Hindu Gods must be VERY angry for not only are they subjected to pseudoworshipping , but also get anointed with faux rosewater , faux sandalwoodpaste , faux honey , fauxvibhuthikumkum & oxytocin induced fauxmilk.
India has had so many genuine Seers. YET, indians DON”T want to internalise & abide by their Teachings. They want to prostrate , flatter & wangle quickfix instant moksha :)) IDIOTS.
Hehe… I like this page… found it really funny.
Realized there are totally jobless people in this world.
…and most of them will be the ‘students” who are driving cabs in Australia
I truly feel bad about what happened in Australia to the Indians because many innocent Indians can get hurt. The India Government needs to work with the Aussies to patch up the relationship by doing some bonding activities or ceremonies.
Great majority of Aussies are kind and warm people but then there are always some bad apples in every country.
To my Indian brothers sisters, if you don’t like being treated badly by racists, then why you are treating your own people such as “Untouchables”, Muslims, Buddhists, and Christians badly? Why are you joining hands with racists to attack or intent to attack your color neighbors? Why are you wasted all the money on useless weapons but mistreating farmers so thousands and thousands of them committed suicides every year? Why are you treating women so badly and they don’t have civil rights?
Do not do to others that you don’t want it to do to you?
Better learn to love your neighbors as yourself.
Hi Moin Ansari ,
In fact a Pakistani ( incredibly trustworthy & perfect Gentleman not affluent though ) offered to take me to Pakistan for a short vacation . I live in Kuwait. No arrogant indian is going to believe , he brought a small monkeypuzzle tree along with a bag of fertile soil from Pakistan. After repotting it has grown & flourishing well in my balcony.
Money is not a problem for me & I would have loved to go with him , meet his family & also Sadasiva Brahmendra Adhishthan in Karachi.
Alas , on enquiry , I learnt it is INDIAN embassy that creates a whole lot of formidable problems & conditions. So the idea had to be dropped.
Sorry to hear that—you would have loved Pakistan. Most Bharatis (aka Indians) who go there are overwhelmed and cannot fathom the reality, the hospitality and the affluence which is so contrary to the paradigm created by the Bharati media. The Sikh yatris are a case in point
Hi Moin Ansari ,
Thank you.
Ever since I came across this site I have lost my sleep. That the media & hindu nationalist bloggers who are the purveyors of opinion have kept sane , normal people like me in the dark. Actually I am the perfect idiot . That I BELIEved all hindus think like a Kaanchi Shankaracharya.
Also the language & content of your writings leave me awestruck. How much all Indians malign all Pakistanis as (sic) boorish , militant etc. I have no one around I can share. Religion I never dreamt would whip up only animosity.
Some years ago a relative of mine born & brought up in Canada eloped with a Pakistani. Most of my relatives are the typical superarrogant supercilious hypocritical tambrams. Would do elaborate pujas in basement but eat beef , prawn etc in the top floor:))
You can imagine the kind of reaction it wrought. I also concluded in pavlovian way she must have got beheaded.
What a pleasant surprise I came to know only recently she is living in America with 2 children & the SAME Pakistani husband sans burka , sans misery.
Our people instead of communicating such vital facts would fritter away time & energy swapping recipes and useless gossip.
Hi Moin Ansari ,
Even today the needlessly glorified RSS hindutvavadis alacritously cry (sic) ” lowest caste ” as soon as the Muslim name Ansari is mentioned. No amount of Hanumaan Chaalisa chanting or Chandi Homam (oblation) is going to metamorphose the merciless racist sanghis & indians in general.
If you knew anything about “baradari” or Indian or Muslims or Pakistani hostory, you would know who the Ansaris were. Showing gnorance confirms the level of knowledge and thier IQ.
Hi Moin Ansari ,
Investing just one percent of your intelligence & clarity of perception , cognition whatever , you would have realised I know nothing at all about anything other than the uncouth grossly abhorrent loathsome GODFORSAKEN indians . If I keep telling my child / children the same thing in the name of past history …..sorry I don’t know how to finish this sentence.
A couple of days ago I had to plead to my ‘husband’ ( in whose custody I am still) to fix a glitch in my computer , he called an Indian ( hindu ..i am going mad with mentioning religion but that is the way it is) ” working under ” him. That is indians’ die hard attitude…so & so is working UNDER me .
Because my husband is influential heavily vindictive CFOCEO no one can refuse. After that gentleman fixed it & left ( he has no car , came walking whereas husband drives Auddy company given always in his custody free petrol etc) this brahminceocfo spat out to me:-
“……he is from fisherman caste ….”
You should liberated from the custody!
Interesting story–sad.
Many Americans hang up with the call center goes to Bharat. Australians don’t want them there–Brahman or Fisherman class
On a personal basis I have nothing against any Indian ever. It is the collective that wants to destroy Pakistan that is the problem!
Thanks for your feedback–keep visiting.
Hi Moin Ansari ,
Thank you.
It is the media that have been whipping up such blanket antipathy towards America , Britain , Pakistan & China. Hindutvavadis pursue a grotesque chimera called akhandaism .
The politicians to policymakers to majority simply don’t CARE for what Ramana Bhagavan to Aadi Shankaracharyas to Upanishads convey eloquently & unequivocally.
Emerson pithily summed up saying
” God Does Not Save Souls in bundles “.
It is futile. Indians will quote & quote talking the same. I realised pretty late they only want to show off & stupefy the rest.
In all afirness have to narrate the following also.
What has religion got to do with one’s inherent character & proclivities ? Read the following facts.
I had certain Indian Muslim friends as my neighbours. Not burka clad but very stylish , qualified , jeanclad , bobbed hair. But would cover their heads & bodies with black hijab etc when their islamic tutor came daily at a particular time ushering me to the door alacritously as I am a hindu with vermilion & other tell tale signs.
All of them now are now citizens in Canada , America , Australia , Britain. Their children also got all education & jobs from WHITES. They had planned everything meticulously learning baseball , learning to eat with fork & knife with dexterity , honing their accents , tinting the hair , smoking pipe & drinking alcohol.(menfolk) etc etc. One of the women even managed to procure all fake post- pre graduate certificates for herself & her daughters in various streams of education. From India (Mumbai).
It is the sheer undisguised egregious ingratitude & HUBRIS of those erstwhile friends that totally alienated me from them.
One of their 2 brothers living in America have married American WHITE women. I was shown certain photographs. Their body language so openly conveyed the WOMEN were not happy. The men looked very SMUG. Before I ventured to express my feeling , she with supreme ARROGANCE told me:-
” These WHITE WOMEN cannot find a husband among their own men as WHITE MEN cannot offer love or stability. Always divorcing…so date & marry us muslims. Can’t even cook our cuisine or measure upto our standards. Poor thing , my 2 brothers are willynilly taking care of them & suffering…”
Do you think Allah would be very pleased with such horripilating superciliousness & dishonesty ????
Your anecdote is nice. We should never have any issues on a personal level.
Not sure what this has to to with the price of rice in China.
If the white woman were not happy they would have left.
If you would disband the RSS, the BJP, the Shiv Sena, the Bajrang Dal, there would be no need for militant organizations that were created as a reaction to the military hegemony of Bharat
Hi Moin Ansari,
You ought to know the WHITE women on marrying muslim men HAVE to renounce their religion & compulsorily embrace Islam. You also ought to be aware of apostasy , honour killings & so forth among many Muslims.
I am surprised at your ” If the white woman were not happy they would have left.”
I did not expect this from you.
About various political parties & organizations , we only imagine all of them function as one cohesive unit sharing the same ideology . I have serious doubts as within a family itself despite meals being eaten together etc etc people can remain perfect strangers.
If all hindus thought & felt like what Srimad Bhagavatam exhorts , all of us would be Narada Munis , Ambarishars & Prahlads.
Your knowledge of Islam is not correct. Your assetion is wrong. Muslim can and do marry Christain women and thay can and do maintain their own relgions. I have family members who have done that–and had personally investigated the issue ni depth. Sorry I do not speak Sanskrit so didn’t comprehend you last sentence
Maybe as you claim your family members are liberal.
Exceptions prove the rule.
But I wrote what I have seen & heard. Many muslims openly say upfront after marriage a woman has to convert to Islam.
Theology has never interested me. The very discussion ‘your God is better than my God’ does not appeal to me at all.
I also do not know Sanskrit. I wrote only English. They are from Srimad Bhagavatham.
Read the great confession by your own premier.
“Pakistan is itself facing Mumbai-like attacks almost every other day and when we cannot protect our own citizens, how can we guarantee that there wouldn’t be any more terrorist hits in India,” Gilani was quoted by a source in the media here as having told visiting US secretary of defence Robert Gates on Thursday.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pak-cant-guarantee-against-repeat-of-26/11-in-India-Gilani-to-US/articleshow/5489140.cms
Indeed a great nation with great leaders………………………….
You know what they say about heresay–its not worth anything.
The Quran clearly says that Muslim can marry Christians and they can stay Chritstian. There is only one God.
We don’t understand Srimad whatever
” We don’t understand Srimad whatever”
No problem. We Hindus don’t scream our God alone is God. All others are ” kafirs”yadayada. We are not ‘converting’ anyone with menacing threats or brandishing weapons.
A lot of WHITES & BLACKS from America to Australia & China , ISRAEL have acknowledged GRACIOUSLY it is the same truth being echoed in Holy Bible & Hindu Scriptures,
You know pretty well I wrote facts. Not “hearsay”.
All Holy Books say a lot indeed :)
You did not write “facts”. You are totally wrong. Here is the actual quote from Surah e Maidah 5:5
And lawful into you are chaste women among the believers, and those who were given scriptures before you
This subject is now closed
We thought you did not believe in religion–all of a sudden you have now become a Anti-Islam spouting Hindu–so typical!
“Baghal main churri–munh peh Ram Ram!!!!”
Now on your 3rd subject: There you go again with your temple indoctrination.
Not sure which planet you live on–but Dalits, Buddhists, Jains and Muslims have seen the brunt of of Ram Rajha screams–most recently in Gujarat
http://rupeenews.com/moins-articles/brahmans-banishing-buddha-page/
If you are not sure about which planet I am in, it is pointless engaging in vain , violent denial.
I am extremely happy & contented with my Upanishads & Srimad Bhagavatham.
I reiterate , I am not into theology , cut & paste wag the dog kind of newslinks or interfaith dialogue.
About rescuing/uplifting allegedly suffering dispossessed people my Indian Government I am sure is quite capable of looking into it. And kindred beings like me in India & the world.
You always say your country is doing very well. So why focus on my country’s problems.
Please don’t opt for selective approbation of my comments. And blanket denial of those that disquiet you.
We criticize the US, the UK, China, Egypt, Lanka, Pakistan. Why should Bharat be an exception. If you don’t like our articles, you don’t have to read them
Hunh!
This was a response to Gates asking for a guarantee. We support the Gilani position on the Mumbai Flase flag
Why should you criticize at all ???
When everything is INSHA ALLAH , which is the message of all HOLY BOOKS of other religions too , are you not doubting ALLAH HIMSELF ?
Why should I not read your views emanating from all corners of this Planet Earth ?
By the application of your abstruse erudite logic & ratiocination you people should not look at other countries & their alleged problems .
All INSHA ALLAH !
INSHA ALLAH !!
INSHA ALLAH !!!
INSHA ALLAH !!!!
I have absolutely no doubts your country Pakistan has progressed in technology , airport building etc etc.
You have some breathtaking video presentations alleging our (sic) Hindu Col Purohit & Narendra Modi etc etc allegedly engineered Mumbai blasts to practically all disasters all over this Planet Earth.
By the application of INSHA ALLAH you should stay tranquil or resigned chanting INSHA ALLAH !
Am I not right ? Allah would agree with me COMPLETELY I am sure. Let the other readers of this Planet Earth to Heavenly Beings Heavenly Bodies Angels ruminate over what I say !
ALL INSHA ALLAH !
AMEN !!!
Its not the case of Mumbai Flase flag,
What is more important is the helplessness,
So sad . innocents are dying . What to do.
ALL INSHA ALLAH !
INSHA ALLAH!!
INSHA ALLAH !!!
INSHA ALLAH !!!!
INSHA ALLAH !!!!!
INSHA ALLAH !!!!!!
I didn’t really understand what you were saying. Can you say it in English
It is our choice to make commentary, eulogize when we want to and criticize when it warrants it. More than 2 milion have visited our site in the past few weeks–our readership is growing exponentially…so the audience is liking what we do.
Your comments are an anomoly…not sure what is meant by the chanting!
idiots…hundreds of aussies get bashed every weekend in the cities of Australia. If you go out late at night and hang around places where young people get drunk, take drugs…you are going to be in trouble. Often it is Indian students bashing each other as well. Last week an Indian student was busted for setting fire to his won car for the insurance and trying to blame it on “racial” attacks…Australia is much safer for Indians than India is and remains one of the safest most livabel cities on earth as rated each year by reputable agencies – google “worlds most livable cities”
The Indian media is rascist, and quite frankly the way Indians treat each other in India shows they are the most hateful people on earth. Shame on you Indian press
Here are some tips, morons:
-Don’t hang around near bars and clubs to leer at women
-Don’t answer back, but walk away, if some drunk guy tries to talk/abuse you
-Don’t “eve tease” women on public transport
-Travel in pairs if you have to be ut late at night
This is the advice every sensible aussie follows
We agree with everything you have said–in fact our article reflects that.
Hi Moin !
Didn’t release my comment ? How worst is your tubular, myopic, dirty, filthy vision ? Basically you all Pakistanis were Hindus some hundred years back. You have the Hindu gene with Islamic mutation leading to congenital diseases of Islamism, wahabism, congenital arabophilic mass hysteria with anti ancentral, anti indigionous elements. Basically all muslims shoud go to Islamic heaven of Hurs so that this earth will get rid of dirty Islam.
All that is wrong with temple indoctrination has been succincty listed by you in a few lines.
The ancestory is not an issue. Moving forward deeds are. So your hangups are not a factor for Non-Hindus.
Before there was Hinduism on the banks of the Ganges, there was Buddhism (and no Buddha is not part of Hinduism–the Buddhists reject being Hindus–from Dalai Lama to Koreans to Chinese etc.) and before Buddhism there were Non-Hindu monotheistic religions of the IVC (who traded with Urr and Sumeria where Moses the Muslims was alive).
We will release your comments. It is free speech. It shows the mentality. Muslims may have converted. Islam gives them equality and freedom. Those who beleive in subjigation cannot accept the liberation of souls. The mentality somehow seems to say that those who were Hindu generations ago are still Hindu.
You are wrong. Islam does not care. Personal responsibility is the criteria for heaven or hell, not ancestory.
Islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world, the fastest in Europe and the fastest in the USA. Prepare fot a Post-Hindu society in Bharat where all the Dalits will convert.
Hi Moin,
Thanks for publishing my comments. Afterall you have hindu genes which made you to believe in freedom of speech otherwise the islamic mutation wouldn’t have allowed you to do so. Because koran & your Mohammad ( I will not call him prophet ) both are against democratic principles. Hope the mutation will vanish off and you again wiil be proud of glorious hindu culture of King Porus. Kindly refer to famous economist Shri Anwar Shaikh ( Ex muslim ) for such phenomenon. Thanks.
You are entitled to your opinion–a woman used to throw garbage on the prophet every day from a rooftop near his home. One day the prophet was surprised to see no garbage falling. He went to inquire about her and found her sick. He took care of her and nursed her back to health. This is my prophet. Obviously you have heard other propoganda—but it may not be true!
In Medina the prophet created the first concpet of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious nation city state. The nation city state had Jews, Christians, Muslims and Non-Muslims as equal members. Obviously you may not have heard about this–and the Covenant signed with the Christians. If you haven’t I will reproduce it for you.
In Spain from 711-1492 Muslims ruled Jews and Chrisitans creating the Jewish-Christian-Muslim symbiosis that seeded the renaissanc.e Hasdai Shaprut was a Prime Minister in a Muslim state for 30 years–he was Jewish. Moses Maimonides was the Surgeon General of SUltan Salahudding Ayubi—he was Jewish and is called the 2nd Moses.
We can say a lot about Arjun, Kali Devi, Brahma and Indira–but we won’t.
May God Bless you and may he create love of humanity in your heart!
Ma As Salami
Every living being in india is intoxicated either by Rum and coke, or thinking that it is a big country in terms of population, which gives false might , therefore they start tinking they are better people than Australians, Pakistanis, Bengalees, srilankans and the europeans.This is wrong line of thinking and I can assure you countries or people with wrong notions can destroy their own societies and the country. One must look to its own feet to the ugliness before they show they see the hearts of others. India must do justice by deleting the cast system, as all people are created equal. Must have a fair justice system for Dalits, muslims and christians. Last but not the least India should not aloow indians to go abroad to import the goodies from any society as they believe that their Hindu society is the best. India can serve the white masters well.
A voice of sanity
Three cheers to that. Ameen
Brother Moin,
Thanks for publishing my comments. In the history of mankind, religious doctrines of almost all religions have damaged the texture of humanity. The difference beween Islam & other religions is that Islam lacks innovation and amendments. Even though the concept of Jahiliya is mentioned in Quaran , it is only next to Quran & Hadith. Henceforth, rather than using abusive language, I will enter in more logical & rational discussion with you. First of all , I explain you that I am a free thinker and I will not mind if you blame Hindu religion. Hindus, being polytheist, are accostomed to accept and respect other religions. In fact more the number of gods more people learn to live peacefully. Because rather than fighting in the name of God, they directly come to the principle of Humanity. Being polytheist, we do not have any problem in placing your Allah in our series of millions of Gods. In fact “Choosse your God, you will get him”, should be the idea of mankind.
On other hand, the Abrahamic faiths ( Islam, Jew & Christanity ) all believe in One God and have enagaged in crusades to kill millions of people. Even muslims, though all believe in one God engage in senseless sectatian violence of sunni verses shias. I will explain my stand step by step in future letter.
Thanks.
Jitendra: It is hard to carry on a discussion with someone who has a monopoly on truth, has preconceived notions, and limited knowledge about what he is critiquing. Logic dictates that a rational discussion can only be held if there is room for discussion. In your post, you have already narrated your position as fact. Therefore one cannot argue with “facts” (or your version of events).
If you do do want to have a discussion than you will have to be more open minded than what you display here. Over the past 20 years I have met many “free thinkers” and those which Hindu names who do not believe in “Hinduism”–however after a few lines of discussion their faith and belief in their basic tennants come out. You started out saying that you were a free thinker…however half way down your comments you regurgitated the “same old same old”.
An interesting book by Karen Armstrong describes “The History of God”. Interesting reading from a secualr perspective. As a confirmed religious purpose, she says that contrary to popular belief that “God made humans in his image”—it is humans that made God in our own image…so very true, specially in the case of Hinduism…but also in the case of Christianity.
With all due respect, your basic assertionns about Islam are not only incorrect they are based on the temple indoctrination and popular media’s depiction of Islam these days.
A book by Mr. Faisal “Whats Right with Islam” and a book by Dr. Bullier of Princeton University “Christo-Islaimc Civilization” may give you another peek at the religion you demonized in a few sentences.
Your statement about “lack of innovatoin” defies not only logic but also defies historical fact. Muslims for example ruled Spain from 711-1492 with the greatest innovation that humans have ever imagined–planting the seeds of the renaissance and enlightenment. There is an overwhelming body of evidence which proclaims that the renaissnace did not start in Florence in the 15th cuntry but in Muslim Spain, Islamic Siciliy and Musslaman Southern Italy right beofre that.
If you read about Bach and Beethoven, you will find that the 9th symphony “A La Turka” and the Ode to Joy is based on Islamic music, themse and indeed Trukish instruments left behind during the seige of Vienna. In 1492, the black plague combined with Spanish Inquisition killed the Jewish-Muslim-Christian symbiosis in Muslim Spain that allowed a Jews Hasdai Sharupt to be the Prime Minsiter and Commander of Chief of the Armed forces of a Muslim emirate for 30 years. In Egypt under Sultan Salhuddin Ayubi, Moses Maimonides, the 2nd moses was indeed the Surgeon General and he is the founder of modern Judaism–often called the 2nd Moses. Not only was he Jewish, he wrote Jewish cannons that are seminal to Judaism today.
In the 5th century the greatest architecture known to man was constructed in Afgra, Lahore, Srinagar and Delhi by the Mughals. It transformed South Asia from the backwaters of the world to a modern state which controlled 25% of the worlds trade. Under Company Raj and British Rule by 1947 that trade had shrunk to 1%. Today it hovers at the same.
Since the military power of the Europeans grew on greed and brutality–almost all civilizations were underpinned by the onslought of the barbarians. Hindus, Christan, Africans, Chinese–all suffered. Then came the Orientalist propoganda which demonized the Hindus as lazy, the Chinese as Opium drinkers, the Africans as good for nothing, and the Muslims as non-innovative. It is easier to kill once you have demonized the population.
You may want to read “Orientalism” by Dr. Edward Said to comprehend what I am saying. Bose and Nehru (in his writings–Glimpses of world hsitory) said similar things.
Evill Brahmans eradicated Buddhism from South Asia. You will not admit this because the pundits have told you that Buddha was part of Hindusim. Of course he wasn’t. The Dalai Lama, the Chinese, the Cambodians, the Vietnamese etc don’t buy it–and they are Buddhist not Hindus. The fact remains that Buddhism was hounded out of South Asia by the Brahmains–centuries before Mohammad Bin Qasim landed on the shores of Hindh. Read Jwahar Lal Nehru, or Kalhana and you will see what Samndrigupta and others did. But of course you will have to reject history–in order to perpetuate the falllacy that Buddhism is part of Hinduism.
For the past 5 centuries, the Hindu rate of growth has been the lowest on the planet (not withstading the anomoly of the past decade). I don’t say that as a derivasive comment on Hinduism or an indictment of polytheism, I mention is as fact–based on the brulatity of colonialsim and its aftermath. Bharat today houses most of the worlds poor, and 75% of the population lives under $2 per day. That is the gift of colonialsim not Shiva worship. The Muslim growth rate is much higher–so the facts belie your argument. On every human index Pakistan is either better than Bharat or slightly below–there is never a differnce of a huge order of magnitude. This after the fact that the Westrn part of South Asia was the most under developed part of Asia and possibly the world. One example–the literacy rate in 1947 was 15%. Today is it 65% and growing exponentially. In 1947 the areas comprising Paksitan had one dilapidated Jute mill and one Textile mill that did not work. One beyond repair university barely existed in name. Today Paksitan produces everything uder the planet and is a nuclear and missle power with more than 200 unversities and thousands of schools.
In 1947 there was no independent Muslim country. Today there are 65. Your emphasis on the differences between Muslims is much less than reported by the Bharati media—in fact Talngana dispute, the Gurarat genocide, the Dalit salvery of 450 million proves that Bharat may be intrinsically breaking aprt into 50 or more states–in varying degree of distance from Delhi. For example the Kashmiris and the Assamese dont want anything to do with India, and Naxals/Maoist who control 40% of Indian Union terriotyr want to fundamentally destroy the structurs of Bharat.
If you read Dr. Kancha latest book, Bharat is headed towards a “Post-Hindu” future. He clearly says that 450 million Dalits will liberate themselves by adopting Islam, Christianity, or Buddhism and reject the bondage of Untoucahbility. Thus Bharat will be a rump state of a few milion Hindus surrounded by a sea of Muslims, Christians and Muslims.
If you do want to understand how others pervcive Hindus and India read “Why I am not a Hindu” by Dr. Kancha.
The purpose of this writeup was not to convince you–that is impossible to do. You will reject everything that has been written in a nanosecond and revert to your indoctrination. We wish you the best
I find this comment interesting.
I assume you are Indian as you do not discuss the title of the article and attempt to turn your argument to Hindu superiority.
I am a white Australian.
Until recently I had no opinion about Indians whatsoever.
The only interaction was at the local Indian restaurant on the rare occasion.
However, lately with this massive influx of Indian “students” I cannot help but be constantly on a daily basis confronted by what is an offensive affront to myself, my colleagues and friends.
I live on the Gold Coast, Queensland.
It used to be a beautiful place and very clean.
However now when we go to the beach we are confronted by hundreds of Indian males who ogle our Australian girls. These Indian men stink. I do not know why. You may think I am racist however they stink, its a fact, if you stink you stink doesnt matter what race you are.
Poor personal hygiene and disrespecting our beach culture.
I have come close myself to punching out one of these Indians.
I am sure I would then be accused of racism.
It is not racism it is the fact that Indians in Australia behave badly.
In the company where I work there are over 50 people. There are only 5 of us who were born in Australia. The rest are from Vietnam, china, Laos, Burma, South America, South Africa, Hungary, England, Canada just to name a few. There is no problem with racism from any of them.
Why do the Indians have a problem is the question that should be asked?
Australians want respect to be payed to our culture.
I could not go to India and demand that India gives me a visa to work or protest that Indians are bad people, however we allow them to protest here. That shows how tolerant we are.
Also the issue of being students. They are not students. They do a cheap course like tennis or cooking. They then go and get jobs. You can find them in any convenience store, petrol station, Cheap supermarket or find them cleaning somewhere. They do not have money to study real courses and a lot of the schools are run by other Indians.
There is no benefit to Australia’s economy or culture by the Indians being here.
Australians are sick and tired of them.
If Australia is so bad then just go home.
If I was not happy in another country why would I stay?
Time for them to go home.
Brother Moin,
Whenever fundamentals of Islamic faith are rationally & seriously questioned on humanitarian ground , muslims divert the discussion to some irrelevent topic. I am speaking , and as you spoke about the problems of dalits in India.
Dalits in India, now a day, is politically active and independent class for which we are proud of. They have acquired enough wisdom about their social, moral & religious rights. Their condition is far better than darfurs of sudan, chakmas of Bangladesh, shias and kurds of Saddam Era Iraq, zorastrians of Iran, berbers and mawalis of algeria & morocco., nonmuslims, ahemadias and shias of your pakistan. The great dalit leader, highly intelectual and knowledged person of his era, Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar had studied all religions comparatively and embraced Buddhism . Most of the Indian dalits are Hindus, some are converted to Buddhism ( Again a Hindu culture ), very few to christanity but Islam was never choice for them. Definitely they are not interested to go back into the same period of darkness. You need not to worry about them and I am sure they will never convert to Islam voluntarily.
Now about Hindu growth rate. Hindu growth rate is less than Muslims because Hindus adapt family planning method and do not convert others to their religion by wrong means. Muslim growth rate is high [...]. They have used modern science of christian kafirs to reduce the mortality rate but purposely not used the same to reduce birth rate. Procreation is the only recreation which has led to miscreations for muslims . Much of the things are yet to be explained. see you later. Thanks.
Ignoring your insults and your insipid rhetoric, we totally disagree with your Disneyland depiction of Bharat which tries to equate the slavery, servitude and untouchability of 450 million Dalits and Shudras to free poeple who have conflicts with other races.
If you continue to insult, we will end the discussion.
Your naive temple indoctrination does not allow you to see the facts–millions of Dalits did find equality in Islam.
Your incorrect and false assertions also fly in the face of documented facts about the Dalits as published by Amnesty International, The UN Human Rights Commission, and the Dalits themselves on Dalit Freedom Network and Muslim Dalit sites. Dr. Kancha has decribed the condition of the Dalits in front of the US Congress and and the EU. All this presented on this site and thousands of others.
Bharatis are incapable of any introspection about themselves and try to hide stuff by this that and the other. In his latest book “Post Hindu India” Dr. Kancha clearly says that the 450 million Dalits will convert to Islam Christianity and Buddhism. Buddhishm has NOTHING, NOTHING to do with Hindusim–as any Bddhist will tell you, from the Dali Lama, to the Chinese, to the Koreans, to the Lankans.
It si shameful of you to use Dr. Ambadekar’s name after Mohandas Gandhi stabbed him in the back, ended separate electorates for the Dalits, and then said “you will walk over my dead body” if you end castes. That is why all Dalits ahte Gandhi. Even mayawati said that a few months ago–duly reported on this site
After the Dlaits convert–the HIndus will be in a minority engulfed in Christian Muslims and Buddhists–that is the future of a balkanized Bharat which will have dozens of republics, some Hinduvata ones like Maharashtra and some Assamese, other Maoists.
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Here is a song which was supposed to have been sung by a group of Dalit school students in North India. This song brings out the real injustices suffered by the Dalits at the hands of Upper Caste Hindus. And the song advocates a Dalit-Muslim Unity by saying that today the Hindus are using the Dalits to fight the Muslims; in the same way as in the ancient past the Hindus (Aryans) used the Vanaras (the song implies that the Vanaras were Dravidians termed as monkeys by the Aryans) to fight other Dravidians called the Rakshasas.
Here is the song and our analysis of its message:
The rulers who control all knowledge,
Claim the Ramayana to be India’s history
And called us many names -demons, low castes, untouchables.
But we were the aborigines of this land.
Listen to our story.
Today we are called the dalits -the oppressed.
Once the Aryans on their horses invaded this land.
Then we who are the natives became the displaced.
Oh Rama, Oh Rama, You became the God and we the demons.
You portrayed our Hanuman as a monkey,
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
You enslaved us to form a monkey army,
Those you could not subjugate
You called a rakshasa -a demon.
But we are the forest rakshak -the protectors.
You invented the hierarchy of caste
Through your laws of Manu, the first man.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
And you trampled on the rights of women.
You made your wife Sita undergo the ordeal of fire
To prove her chastity.
Such were your male laws, Oh Rama.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
When Shambuka, the Untouchable
Tried to gain knowledge,
You beheaded him, Oh Rama.
Thus did you crush those who tried to rise above their caste.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
Days passed, years and centuries,
But our lives remained the same.
We skinned your cattle,
So that you can wear shoes.
We clean your gutters,
So that you can stay clean.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
Did you ever even ask, Oh Rama,
What our caste is?
Did you ever even ask
What our religion is?
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
Independence dawned.
It began with the rule of the consitution.
The author of the constitution Dr. Ambedkar
Framed the constitution around secular ideals.
The castle of caste privileges began to crumble.
No longer could the elite skim
The milk of religious exploitation.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
But poverty grew and to divert the poor
From their real need, a new enemy was found.
Muslims were targeted and “taught a lesson”.
To destroy Lanka, Oh Rama, you
Formed us into a monkey army.
And today you want us,
The working majority,
To form a new monkey army
And attack Muslims.
Oh Rama, you representative of the Aryans.
Our Analysis of the Message in this song
There is a kernel of truth in this understanding about the Ramayana. Rama did kill Shambuka for being a Dalit and he did make his own wife Sita do the ordeal by fire. And there is truth in the statement that some people in ancient Bharat were depicted as Rakshasas, Daityas, Danavas. They are portrayed as dark skinned and the Devas are always fair. Even today the Tribals and the scheduled caste folks are darker than the upper castes and the Brahmins are the most fair-skinned and finer featured on an average.
The composer of the poem has hit the nail on the head.
We are not Indian, and we agree with you–if you had read the article you would see the same points being made.
Brother Moin,
Mr Anwar Shaikh, a Pakistan born economist, author & bussinessman was a fundamentalist jihadi in his tewnties. At the age of twenty, he killed two sikh Hindus and one Hindu during partition of India . At twnety five, his self conciousness arouse and he studied all religions comparatively. He was deeply moved by his insane act and statred repaining for it. He remained seeker for almost twenty years and then converted to Hinduism. Though a hindu Convert , he was also a critique of some Hindu beliefs. He was expert in Arabic and Koran. He analysed each verse of koran and became strong critic of Islam & koran.
Mr Anwar Shaikh was the person who understood Islam in practical sense. According to him, Muslims are followers of Mohammad and not Allah.. He was never bitter about his muslim relatives because according to Mr Shaikh, problem is not with mulsims but with Islam, mohammad & his teachings. A fatwa was declared aginst him in Pakistan. When he was asked ‘ If Islam is so dangerous, why there are so many Muslims in the world ? ‘ . His answer was ‘ As we can not answer the question ‘ Why there are so many fools in the world ? in the same way we can not answer this question. Remember, during II nd world war 80 % of Germans were behind Hitler. This does not mean Hitler was right.
As Mr Anwar shaikh was citizen of civilised British Society, he was protected. He died of natural death in 2006 after a long and peaceful life of almost 80 years.
Kindly refer to his works. Some of the books are available online.
Thanks.
Sellouts are avaialble a dime a dozen. Mr. Anwar Sheikh, if he exists was an anomoly. I would never read anything written by a murderer. May God forgive him for his sins. Good riddance to bad rubbish. His books belong in the dustbin of history–unread and unrecognized.
You fail to see a sea of reality brining a tsunami of change to South Asia and the planet. When the hurrican hits you, your blindness will be unable to comprehend what you face. Every demographic study on the planet shows Islam on the rise–in every geograhy and every region.
Your anecdote though note very interesting shows your mentality of picking insiginifacnt ripples and tyring to malign the greatest and the fastest growing religion in Bharat (aka India), EUrope, the USA, Latin America and the world. Three fourts of the new converts to Islam are women. When Turkey joins the EU, it will be the largest country in the EU and tremendous power. Within the next 20 years, a significant portion of Europe and Russia will be Muslim. American society will have a very large Muslim majority–already Muslims in the US have passed Jews. This will grow exponentially and have an impact on world affairs. Bharat is headed for a Post-Hindu world—with 450 million Dalits and SHudras convertinng to Islama, Christianity and Buddhism–reducing a rump minority of Upper caste indus surrounded by Muslims, Buddhists and Christians, natural allies of the Muslims against the Brahamans. The Balkanization of Bharat with fifty states in varying degrees of secession from Delhi will mark the end of any attempt at a Hindu society. If Maharastra rebels against Bharati secularism as it is, and xenophopbia in Gujarat continues to grow exponentially, and if Kashmir contineus in current level of resitance against the Bharati forces, and if Assam pepetuates its current level of insurrection, and if the Maoists continue to hold 40% of the land mass of Delhi—Bharat as we know it will come to a swift end–and Hindusism as we know it a relic of the past.
May God save you and bless you.
Maybe it ha something to do with the fact that ‘peace-loving’ hindus are persecuting people of other faiths back in their own homeland.
Wake up hindus, you’re just starting to feel the love pour out in what will increasingly become a global trend. About time you feel how scary it is to live in a hostile land like the Christians, Muslims and Sikhs have to back home in India.
Brother Moin,
Whenever fundamentals of Islam are ethically questioned or social and religious evils of Islam are questioned, rather than answering the questions or defending their position in ethical manner, muslims of the Arab world label it as Zionist or CIA Propoganda . Any bad event in the muslim Arab world is labelled as Zionist or CIA conspiracy. That means, King Hussain of Jordan supported Israel secretly, it is zionist conspiracy, Shia – Sunni war in Iraq is CIA conspiracy, Human rights movement in Iran is CIA conspiracy etc. In the same way you are using the term ‘ temple indoctrination ‘ . This is not going to improve image of Islam worldwide. Evils of koran & teaching of mohammad will soon be exposed to world. Islam has hidden agenda of vanishing nonmuslims from the world. This idealogy is serious threat to world peace and more serious than Hitler. In future I will teach you koran step by step with my command over Arabic. Thanks.
Mr. Jitendr:
Not sure where conspiracies came about. We did however giev you a lengthy reponse which was ignored. We suspect your agenda is to broadcast your message of hate and really discuss anything.
We appreciate the offer but most respectfully we decline. No thank you. I don’t need any Quranic lessons from you.
All religions are evangelist. Christians talks about rapture and a thousand years of peace–that was the reason for the Crusades, Colonialism, and Neo-imperialism. Brahmainsim exterminated Buddhism from a land of its birth–and in modern times invaded Lanka. The brutality of Brahamins in Kashmir is well known and document by Kalhana and even by Jawarharlal nehru in his book “Glimpses of World history” among others. Samandragupta was and Ashoka (if he existed) talk about the battle of Kalinga where millions were massacred. Hindu scriptures talk about Mahabharta and Kaura Panda wars. Gita lists 333 million (I dint make up the numbers) dead in the wars. Southern Hindu states went all the way up to Campbida and Laos destroying Buddhist tempels ven in Thailand.
Not sure what your rhetoric is all about. Perhaps you can argue with mullahs. We are not interested.
Moin.
I was actually replying to the post above yours.
Sorry If I offended you.
I was trying to make my point about was this article at the top has a heading
“Massive backlash against India: Why do Australians hate Indians?”
I found it interesting that no Indians were defending themselves in regards to their vile behaviour and instead It had become an argument about religion and not about the reason why Indians are becoming so unpopular in Australia.
I am not wanting to start religious debate.
I was just showing the facts about the way Indians are behaving in Australia and how we are reacting to their vile behaviour.
I have been reading about the Indian Caste System and now find it laughable that Indians claim discrimination when they invented a system to oppress and persecute their own people and continue to oppress their own people.
How sad and pathetic.
It shows weakness of character to have to oppress poor people. It shows the fear they must have of the poor and oppressed.
Then to come to a free country like Australia where everyone has equal opportunities and is free to practice their own religion and then claim they are being oppressed.
Indians continually come up as the topic of many discussions between colleagues and friends lately.
They are becoming very unpopular in all walks of life in Australia.
We agree with everything you said. Aussies are right.
I can only speak for what I have seen and what I hear from friends and colleagues.
At the moment in Australia 5 000 000 people were born outside Australia. That is 25% of our population. When Indians call us racist I wonder who they are refering to. Do they mean white people? They just say Australians are racist. Well we are all from other countries so I would like at least one of them to identify who the racist Australians are.
Because we have so many different nationalities in Australia I am interested to find out more about other religions and people.
I have a copy of the Quran at home.
My father read it not long ago and gave it to me.
Moin.
Where are you from?
Ausy:
We agree with what you are saying. We have written multiple articles on the subject. Bharatis (aka Indians) are hated by all their neighbors for a reason. Australians just got a snippet of what its like. Indians were thrown out of Kenya and Uganda for the same reasons that you have mentioned–and Kenyans are not white.
It all goes back to the racism of Mr. Gandhi in South Africa—where he called the natives worse than animals and so on and so forth. Bharatis are very racist in Bharat itelf–keeping 450 million Dalits and Shudras as Untouchables—worse than slaves–they are struggling for the right to be called a human being.
Good to hear that you read the Quran.
I can see your heart is in the right place wanting peace.
However I take issue about your first comment (many innocent Indians can get hurt) and the comment about Australian and Indian governments to do some “bonding”.
You asume the indians that were bashed were inocent. There is no evidence either way and also no evidence as to who bashed them. Nobody has been charged. Infact one of the so called victims was found to have set his own car on fire to claim insurance. This was reported as a HATE crime and then later shown here in Australia to be insurance fraude. However no retraction was shown in India.
Australians are not the ones with the problem.
The so called Indian students are the ones with the problem.
Why should Australia go out of its way to appease these Indians. I am sure if I was in India and unhappy about how I was treated the Indian government would not come to my aid and organise a bonding session.
Ask yourself why the millions of other nationalities do not have issues.
Australia cannot be singled out as a racist country as we are all from other countries.
To call Australians racist is to call all nationalities on earth racist.
There is 1 nation singling themselves out in Australia for special attention.
They are Indians, so tell me brother. Who has the problem?
This lady is mad…….did not understand anything she is trying to say. whats the point of all these???
My dear…..its obvious you had a good education..you think fast and ry to rattle out in written words what you are thinkng. You are plagued by very deep self doubt and unhappiness..maybe you have a feeling nobody has given you the true worth. Possibly you suspect and maybe rightly so that people laugh behind your back…which actually what i did till i took the time to slowly read through posts…and discover a deeply anguished soul !!! Breathe…relax..let go..you have a good life with lots of positives…….dn’t lose sleep over others…..just enjoy the sunshine. Hope you get better.
Thank you for your complements.
However you cannot defy the truth. Our answers are cogent becuase they are based on fact and reserch. We do not make up facts, we simply report them. Thousands of Bharatis read this site, becuase they find value here. Agree or disagree, the facts are presented with credible sources.
Unable to refute the facts, you turn to insults.
You have been unable to prove your point so you start your psycho-babble which has no place in this or anny discourse.
Borther Moin,
Before going in details of other things let me tell you why I am Hindu. Although Hinduism has hundreds of social evils, I always prefer to be Hindu because :
1. Like You, Hinduism is religion of my ancesters and unlike you, I respect my ancesters. I don’nt fill my ancesters lived in period of Jahiliya. They lived in far better world than Arabs.
2. Like you, Hinduism is religion of my motherland . Unlike you, I respect my motherland and it’s ancient culture.
3. Hindu religion is more a parliament of religions than a single religion. It has no single and so called totipotent sacred text book or single central authority to rule the people. This has strenthened liberal & democratic forces in my countrry ( can be your country also if you were hindu ). This is the reason why my country is largest democracy in the world.
4. Being Hindu, I can criticise evils of my religion and still I can remain Hindu. No fatwa is declared against me.
5. Rather than teachings of single person or book, Hinduism is based of experiences and observations. This is the reason why Hindu religion has seen metamorphosis through hundreds of years. I feel our wisdom should serve humanity and religion should help it. It is idiot to beleive that such wisdom is acheived through single religious book.
6. Modern educated Hindus like me are highly selective about their religious books. Unlike the educated muslims, educated Hindus are strong critic of the social and religious evils of their religion and believe in religious reforms.
7. Hinduism believes in spirituality. God ( Allah ) is definately not cheap minded so that He will shower blessing only on muslims or send all non muslims to hell.
8. We beleive that all ways of worship done from heart help you reach the God. Any disrespect to other faith like breaking of Idols by Mohammad is inhuman.
9. I belive in humanity and relegate religion to it’s next , this is possible ony when you are Hindu ( Any of the Hindu religions like Buddhism, sikhism, Jainism etc )
In the next letter I will tell you why I am not Muslim.
Jitendra: Thank you for your feedback and your personal reasons why you are who you are.
>>Hindu religion is more a parliament of religions than a single religion
I like that. In theory it works really well…in practice–well not so well–as the vents in Gujarat, Ayodihya, and Maharasthra are showing. Surly hinduunity.org would vociferously disagree with you.
>>No fatwa is declared against me.
Surely a great concept–but it may be limited to your mindset. FM Husain, Jinnah, even Gandhi—and lately Shahrukh Khan certainly did face the Hindu wrath. the 450 million Dalits and Untouchables certainly dont think of Bharat as the worlds largest democracy. In the light of the Saachar Reprt, the 150 million marginalized Muslims do not. The Naxlas who control 40% of the landmass of Bharat more certainly don’t think of Bharat as a democracy–or they would not be in arms against Delhi. The Kashmiris, the Assamese also don’t think that they live in a democracy…..also goes for Talangana, Gurkha land…too many to list…but about 50 states that want to live independent of Delhi
Have you read Dr. Kancha’s “Why I am not a Hindu”–that says it all.
The comments section is meant to deal with the subject at hand. Can you tie your personal diary to the article?
Thanks
@RajaLakshmi
I know you are trying really hard to sound intelligent but you just come off as a another dubba-dubba-ding-ding with a thesaurus.
I think this is another reason people are creeped out by your race. Stop with the pseudo-intellect.
Dear [...]
If your main intention in writing this post was to insult India and Indians then surely that should be beneath you. At least that is if you want to be taken seriously. If as you argue you wanted to present the Australian persepective then sure go ahead I’ll listen.
I’ll refute some of your rant. I object to thesubtext that all Indians are Hindus. I’m not. I’m Anglican. I know India has a lot to answer for re treatment of Muslims by some sections and in some states like Gujarat, Maharashtra etc. However in a country of 1 billion the bigots are a miniscule percentage of the population.
As for Australians regarding the Indian influx as an invasion ask the Aboriginal Australians what they think about invasions. Their perspective may enlighten you. No Aboriginal Australian (and they’ve been in Australia 40,000 years so its fair to say its their country) has told me to go back to India. That’s all I’ll say on that topic.
As far as eating Australian ‘foods’ as you call it and I’ll take it to mean cuisine I’ll ask ‘What is Australian cuisine?” And I’ll answer that there is no such thing. Australia is a free country and we’re free to eat anything we want here. I know quite a few Australians who like North Indian vegetarian food and not just Mughlai food which incidentally often gives the average Aussie indigestion since its that oily.
I agree that some Indians don’t assimilate but then what is assimilation. Does it mean talking English. My spoken and written English is far superior to most Australians I know. Does it mean having liberal attitudes. I’ as open-minded as they come. Does it mean moral laxity in that case I’ll say my morals are a matter for my own conscience and I will not adopt anyone elses morals to fit in. And that includes both the lax and the strict.
As far as being gay not being tolerated n India that’s nonsense in the large cities. If anything the gay people in Delhi where I lived for several years are if anything more flamboyant than those in Australia.
As to getting laid we were all gettig laid with satisfyng regularity in India.
Another thing I did notice as a journalist was that Pakistanis and Indians on a one to one basis were curious about each other and bent over backwards to make each other feel welcome in their respective countries when either side visited the other.
I think what’s the real issue here is that Australia is at last havig to deal with Asia and not just South East Asia but South Asia which is in many ways the Asian core. And like any two people who meet for the first time there is a mutual wariness. Australia is also dealing with the old certainties slipping away. I know many employers who find Indian students more reliable than Australians. If I was white Australian that would be bound to hurt.
Teething problems it;ll all be alright eventually
Don’t assimilate–QED!
to the editor
i know that this website is known for everything hate hate about india and indians but can i ask why the editoe choose this story as it is of no use to any pakistanis and indians are not hated in the world and about australians i will say they are the most ful ill behaved people on earth , pakistanis in this case are much good and good behaved
the editor have no business to write such hate story about india and indians
JUST LIKE ME ORDINARY INDIANS WHO ARE INNOCENT AND FRIENDY FEEL VERY BAD AND SAD ABOUT THE ARTICLE
REQUEST TO EDITOR SIR NOT TO TAKE THIS TYPE OF ARTICLE ANY MORE , I WILL BE VERY HAPPY IF DO DO SIR
When will the Bharati press begin to publish positive stories about Pakistan?–That will be the day!
Somebody asked me to read this article earlier and as an Ausi myself, I can say there is a lot which I agree with the writer. However, I would like to clear few points here. Majority of Australians are not racists, there are some idiots, mostly young boys who some time just like to show-off or just trying to be cool in front of their friends. Media has also played an important role, by highliting these stories in a certain way on which these young kids think, that Indians deserve hate.
I have seen and met few Pakistanis as well, to be honest with you, I can’t tell or see the difference between an Indian guy or a Pakistani guy, they look similar/same to me, so saying that only Indians were targeted is wrong. I have also read in news papers that even Pakistani students had same problems. Only because there are more Indian students then Pakistani students, Indians are getting more of this hate its just about numbers, which is wrong and as an Australian, I feel embarrass. I would like to remind the author not to generalize an entire nation as smelly or paint them in bad light, we as humans can do much better then this.
I wish you all a wonderful day.
NO Pakistanis or Bangladeshis or Lankans have been targeted in Australia–which makes us all wonder
Difference–you can smell the Indians a mile away
[Editors]
Memories are things that remind us of things that happened in the past. I had while in Australia many years ago met Australian vets of Japanese prisoner-of-war camps in Malaya during World War II. These POW camps were guarded by members of the Indian National Army of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose.
But the INA guards routinely tortured or executed Australians, Kiwis and Britins for minor infractions of the rules. But, in some cases Allied prisoners-of-war were taken outside the camp and shot for not saluting the INA guard. I heard these stories from Vets, and some were in a very bad state after they were liberated in 1945.
Perhaps these stories are still circulating and some Australians are still angry because someone in their family was either tortured or killed by members of theINDIAN NATIONAL ARMY auxilliaries attached to the Imperial Japanese Army of occupation in Malaya.
Sometimes we reap what we sow. This is happening in Jammu and Kashmir at the hands of the Indian occupation forces there. I
would not say that it is entirely wrong what Australians are doing to the Indians, when I was in Africa and Indian forces massacred both Africans and Belgian working for UNIONE MINIERE on Christmas Day 1962, at the Roman Catholic Church in Jadotville, Katanga province, Congo.
Brilliant–I added it to the original article
This is what a Hindu Brahmin philosopher — Kedar Joshi (born in Mumbai, in 1979) — thinks of his motherland — India.
“The three bands of the Indian tricolour – saffron, white and green – actually represent blood and barbarism, death and dictatorship, and decay and toxicity respectively.”
“India is the most contradictory state in the world, with the power to advance licitly and the power to contaminate subtly; and it is this contradiction that makes her the most perilous thing in the world – India is the deadliest contradiction.”
“You are arrogant? You are a liar? Good. That means you have a bright future in India.”
“Freedom for India is an insult to freedom.”
“A free India is a wrong idea.”
“A free India is a dangerous idea.”
“I don’t think India deserves freedom. Do immature, uneducated, undisciplined children deserve freedom? No, they don’t. The children need mature adults to control them, to train them, to educate them. They need to be dictated for their own good. Democracy for India is like democracy for children. And even if the free India becomes a superpower one day, it will be just like children with lots of physical power; the power will be in wrong hands.”
“The future is bad, for the future is Bombay.”
“India is a bad country – bad people, bad infrastructure, bad system, bad society, where evil enslaves and dominates good. And I believe that good foreign powers should interfere and set things right for the betterment of world and humanity.”
“India is a land of thugs and thieves. Aside from few possible exceptions, there is corruption, fraud, dishonesty, untrustworthiness and barbarism at every level, from top to bottom.”
“India is a place where at many points there is freedom where there should be force and force where there should be freedom.”
“India is a land of GREAT people who do not even know, or seem to care to know, that on a ‘zebra crossing’, pedestrians have ‘right of way’ when there are no additional traffic lights – just one of innumerable examples. And when a knowledgeable gentleman attempts to execute his right he gets nothing but verbal, and possibly physical, attacks and harassment. What a great people! What a great country!”
“To be in India as a gentleman is to be persecuted. The gentleman is ought to be harassed by the mere presence of her incivilities.”
“India is a place where politeness is equated with cowardice, and good manners are condemned as gross stupidities.”
“The Indian democracy is a mask which hides the undemocratic, imperious, and barbaric face of the Indian psyche.”
“India is a democratic jungle.”
“India lacks the maturity to sustain modernisation with a healthy mind.”
“India is a slow but deadly poison.”
“If India grows, the whole world will one day look like India.”
“Soiling the civilised world is the direction India is taking.”
“India is the greatest enemy of the civilised world – the Indian threat is subtler and stronger than the Islamic threat.”
“India’s advancement will give the world wrong ideals and bad influence – A Better India: A Worse World.”
“India seems to be a poisonous deadlock which only a superior foreign power can resolve.”
“India is a place where the benign is condemned as silly and the crook is acclaimed as smart.”
“The world’s largest democracy – India – is also the world’s hollowest democracy.”
“India is the pinnacle of democratic barbarism.”
“India is the paradise of impoliteness, corruption, madness, pretension, conformity, poverty, and dirt.”
“The way of India is not dedication, honesty, and perfection; the way of India is selfishness, indifference, and negligence.”
“The civilised world must rule India or India will rule the civilised world.”
“My message to the civilised world is this – ‘Beware of that subtly dangerous, uncivilised, barbaric country called India’.”
“It is more the Indian attitude than the Indian talent that is worrisome.”
“India will take the world to the lowest of all planes, the plane of poverty, incivility, disease and corruption.”
“Soon after the 26/11 terrorist Ajmal Kasab was convicted by an Indian court, an Indian minister joyfully said in public that the conviction proved that India was governed by rule of law. Well, Mr Minister, if India were governed by rule of law, most of her people would have been behind bars in the first place, wouldn’t they?”
“The Indians kill decent, civil people slowly, everyday in their country with their indecent, uncivil behaviour, and when somebody someday opens fire, quickly killing tens of people, he is outright condemned as a terrorist, a monster.”
“When I was studying towards a master’s degree in philosophy in a relatively high standard institution in India, I frequently came across a peon at the doorsteps of a main library who used to greet student-visitors with the rudest possible facial expressions and discipline them with harsh sounds of a large stick. For others and the institution, it was perhaps something acceptable; for me, it was highly uncivil, offensive and unacceptable, though not unusual, for this was the India I had and I have always largely known – The land of envious, arrogant and wicked souls, be they relatives, friends or strangers; the land where man has normally lesser value and respect than holy animals and idols; and the land where money, political power and force almost always triumph.”
“An economically developed India will be nothing but a rich gutter – economically rich, socially and morally a gutter.”
“People like N. R. Narayana Murthy hope that India will make inclusive, equitable progress and will make the world a better place; I, on the other hand, believe that India will largely make exclusive, economic progress and will contaminate the world, making it, eventually, a worse place.”
“A developing India is a developing cancer.”
“The development of India is the development of Himalayan errors.”
“India’s virtues are fruitless and vices are fateful.”
“India will be the largest source of technically skilled and morally unskilled people in the 21st century.”
“In India, gangsters, fraudsters and murderers, and only gangsters, fraudsters and murderers, can be political leaders.”
“I find it hilarious as well as annoying the way India depicts herself to her people, especially the youth, through the academic as well as the entertainment industry: India is portrayed as a goddess, the British and the foreign invaders as devils, and Pakistan and some other neighbours as terrorists, evils and the enemies of humanity. Isn’t India – through her unfathomable corruption, unparalleled indiscipline, and profound barbarism, selfishness and apathy – herself an evil and an enemy of her own as well as that of humanity? Had India been continued to be ruled by the British to this day, she, on the whole, would have been a much nicer place to be!”
“The Indian gentleman is arrogant, aggressive, cunning, a habitual liar, self-centred, undisciplined, unpunctual, a lawbreaker, dogmatic, pretentious and biased.”
“You go to government offices and many of the small shops and hospitals in India and the staff and the people over there look at you like ‘Why the fuck are you here? Get lost!’”
“India considers a good, civilised man a stupid man and a bad, uncivilised man an intelligent man.”
“India, through her barbarism, moral degradation, and her extensive threat to the civilised world, reminds me everyday that I must keep fighting against her; and England, through her urbanity, cultural superiority, and her intensive potential for the betterment of humanity, reminds me every moment that I must keep fighting for her.”
“India reminds me everyday that she is the greatest enemy of human civilisation.”
“I’m not really anti-Indian; I’m anti-evil. But since India is a kind of evil, I’m kind of anti-Indian.”
“India’s Independence Day!! Who is independent??? Corrupt ministers, fraudulent officers, uncivil peoples…”
“India is the best example of what happens when freedom goes in the wrong hands.”
“In Indian history textbooks the British colonial rulers and administrators are largely and extensively portrayed as monsters. Aren’t the Indians, who used to burn widows alive, monsters? Aren’t the Indian kings, who massively exploited their subjects, monsters? Aren’t the innumerable, corrupt ministers and officers of the free India monsters? Aren’t the uncivil, commonplace people of modern India monsters? Don’t they, in the same way, deserve a place in the textbooks as monsters?”
“India – The soulless land that often talks about soul.”
“India is a place where a cow generally gains more respect than a human.”
“In India, an actress can be sued and may be convicted for her ‘obscene’ acts on the screen, as they bring shame on the ‘culture’ of the nation. Well, the nation whose people are not bothered with making queues at shops, saying please and sorry and being polite to strangers, being sincere and honest at offices and work, being decent and conscientious at driving vehicles, being civilised and respectful enough to be moderately silent at ceremonies and celebrations, should better not bother itself with claiming to have ‘culture’.”
“If India is a peace-loving country, as she is often claimed to be by her people, the word ‘peace’ seriously needs a new definition.”
“India does not go the way of Mahatma Gandhi; India goes the way of Chauri Chaura.”
“I find Mahatma Gandhi’s idea of expelling the British from India’s administration inconsistent with his idea of Satyagraha and universal brotherhood. If he were truly passionate about kindling the flame of universal love and brotherhood in the hearts of men, with the power of Satyagraha, he would have instead longed and strived to unite the British and the Indians, Britain and India, into one, greater, homogeneous people and nation, making a platform for the universal union, as he did ardently and relentlessly with the Hindus and the Muslims for one, united India. – Gandhi, on certain key points, appears to be very un-Gandhi.”
“Gandhi’s greatest failure is his failure to realise the baseness of his countrymen.”
“Mahatma Gandhi – The non-violent dictator.”
“Your legacy to India? Certainly, it is 400+ million people incapable of governing themselves.” – on Jawaharlal Nehru’s quote: “My legacy to India? Hopefully, it is 400 million people capable of governing themselves.”
“The message of Bhagavad-gita is inherently satanic and Bhagavad-gita is Hindu terrorism.”
“If Krishna were at all to be taken seriously, he could not really be regarded as a good, kind, just, and noble Lord, but would rather, to a very large extent, be worthy of condemnation as evil.”
“Krishna is not the main protagonist but the real antagonist of the Mahabharata.”
“The Bhagavad-gita’s karma-yoga means man’s unconditional, absolute allegiance to uncompromising, pretentious evil.”
“If Shivaji descends from heaven to regovern his people, most of the people will have lost some of their limbs.”
“The Hindus disregard the world as ‘Maya’, yet their religious practices are full of ‘Maya’.”
“I don’t know why they attach so much importance to Indian spiritualism. What’s wrong with western idealism, say Berkeley’s idealism? Western idealism rather makes more sense to me than the fuzzy ideas of soul, Brahman and reincarnation.”
“Hindus are mostly those who do not know how to walk and talk and where to spit and shit and who speak about Rama, Krishna, and Hinduism, and believe that the religious adherence and unity – Hindutva – can bring them and their nation glory and prosperity.”
“If the Elephant-god is the Lord, I better be a hardcore atheist.”
“‘That which is good is not new and that which is new is not good.’ – Isn’t that Bollywood?”
“Honestly, the Muslims normally appear to be far more honest and civil people than the Hindus; and isn’t it very true when it comes to religious practice?”
“May be the Shiv Sena should replace the Tiger on its flag by the African Wild Dog for a couple of obvious reasons: The tiger hunts alone and is kind of royal.”
“‘My power is immeasurable; My truth inexplicable, unfathomable.’ – Sathya Sai Baba
‘And yet my country has problems immeasurable.’ – Kedar Joshi”
“I would certainly prefer to be a kitchen porter in a land like England than to be a president of a land like India.”
“It is kind of farcical that India is normally seen as a natural ally of the West and the US. The Indian values of incivility, dishonesty, indiscipline, intolerance in fact make India a natural, subtle and severe enemy of the West and the Western civilisation.”
“I would love to see India succeed. But I hate to see the way she is succeeding.”
“In India, people unconstitutionally attack even those who constitutionally attack the constitution.”
“‘Rama’ ruled India? I thought ‘Ravana’ ruled India!”
“An English barber is normally far more polite, gentle, modest, sensible, civilised and self-critical than an Indian professor.”
“A typical Indian is: Undisciplined, Indecent, Vulgar, Bloody-minded, Dishonest, Competitive, Envious, Poor, Mischievous, Impolite, Unpunctual, Impudent, Imprudent, Ambitious, Greedy, Apathetic, A cynic, Ungrateful, Dull, Mediocre, Superstitious, Religious, Dogmatic, Orthodox, A suicidal driver, A good cook, Untidy, Short-tempered, An extrovert, Crazy, Impatient, Intolerant, Imperfect, Incompetent, Uncreative, Impulsive, Unpredictable, Informal, Untrustworthy, An egoist, Unmannerly, Loud, A film-lover, Semi-literate, Ill-informed, Immodest, Complaining, Violent, Class-conscious, Image-conscious, Helpful, Sarcastic, Emotional, Sympathetic, Romantic, Hospitable, A patriot, Miserable, Kind, Materialistic, Possessive, A pseudo-intellectual, A bad-listener, Ill-tempered, Foul-mouthed, A procrastinator, Cocksure, Immature, Unprofessional, Unhealthy, Underweight, Hypocritical, Disorganised, Unhygienic, Pretentious, Fashionable, Outgoing, A fraud, A lawbreaker, Indolent, Argumentative, Inefficient, Biased, Dominating, A traditionalist, Irritating, Friendly, Fun-loving, Humorous, Talkative, Communicative, Sparing.”
“I am not good and great enough to be tolerant to people as bad and wrong as Indians, though I certainly do not mean all Indians.”
“Indian culture is the culture of butchers.”
“India – The land made inhuman by over a billion humans.”
“I call on the civilised world to boycott Indian products as much as possible until India is determined to be civilised.”
“The USA, the UK, Germany, or possibly the European Union, and Australia should unite and militarily invade India and replace her rotten, so called democratic government by a fine Western dictatorship in order to eliminate the growing cancerous threat India poses to the wider world.”
“The West should militarily invade India.”
Sources ~
http://www.archive.org/details/QuotationsGeneral
http://works.bepress.com/kedar_joshi/23/
http://superultramodern.blogspot.com/
The Australians are getting hammered in cricket by Indians,lose jobs in Australia to outsiders,still want outsiders to study in Australia so that their colleges earn dollars.
If the Australians hate he Indians why does the Australian Government give visas to Indian Students.The simple fact is that Australia can’t stomach India’s progress.Likewise the Paksitanis in private envy the Indians for the freedom in India,but in public show their hatred for Indians being afraid of the Jehadis.
Indians are no longer bothered to go to Australia,the student visas
demand has already become half.
As for the Pakistanis they got what the deserved,USA raided them like its was looking for a chicken in the coop,what kind of men are Pakis who allow their country to be used by the Americans as their backyard.The get this for begging money from US,had they any self respect the Mullahs would have said no to the US Dollars.India and Indians are any day better than Pakistanis,the Pakis and Mullahs can no longer claim they are equal to thousand Hindus,when they cant even keep an eye on their own back ground,but then Dollars can buy anything politicians,mullahs,armymen in Pakistan when its ruled by 3As.
They are not “students”
@ Sasi Pakis are no different than Afghans where your allies are sinking in mountainous quicksand for past 10 years. So if Karzai is a puppet, you can not blame the Afghans. Like wise Pakis leaders are puppets that do not speak for the average Pakistanis. As far as manhood is concerned, the whole world saw the manhood of Indians and its soldiery in Mumbai.
700,000 BhaRati terrorist criminals have not subdued the Kashmiri uprising. Neither are able to put down 165 insurgencies of which 30 are the major ones, insurgency movements are sweeping across BhaRAT, reflecting an acute sense of alienation on the part of the people involved. Broadly, these can be divided into movements for political rights – e.g. Assam, Kashmir and Khalistan (Punjab), movements for social and economic justice – e.g. Maoist (Naxalite) and north-eastern states, and religious grounds – e.g. Laddakh. These causes overlap at times.
Wikipedia lists 16 belligerent groups and 68 major organization as separatist groups in India, which include: nine in the northeast (Seven Sisters), four in centre & the east (including Maoist/Naxalites), seventeen in the west (Sikh separatist groups), and thirty eight in the northwest (Kashmir). That speaks of Rat, Monkey, Snake, Cow, Elephant, Phallus and all creepy animals that creep on its belly worshipers as gods, manhood.
Pakistan, in due course, will definitely take care of its sell out puppets and later it will take care of your criminal Terrorist Government. Insha-ALLAH
Assalamu-Elekum
Dear readers, i am a british-pakistani studying in china…i’m afraid a lot of things in this article are true, sorry to any indians reading this…i lived in dormitories here during med school with only indians living on the same floor as me, unfortunately i came at the wrong time and got stuck with the indian students rather than coming a few weeks later and being stuck with pakistani students….anyway thats another story, anyway so being stuck with the indian students i really did notice the dirtiness and uncivilized behaviour that they have…i mean the communal kitchens with appliances were always left in a state where u wouldnt even want to touch them let alone cook on them or clean ur clothes in them….unfortunately for the chinese girls, their dormitory was located directly behind our building, and being on the right side u could see them going about their routines, it was mind boggling that they only ever complained of the 7th floor (7th floor was all the indian students) and never complained of people shouting/whistling/glaring at them from any other floor apart from the notorious 7th floor….indian students in other cities here in china r famous for being thieves stealing the pettiest of things such as webcams from net cafes…virginities r also stolen from innocent girls here when they lie to a girl about being american/canadian/british when in actual fact most of them have not even seen these western countries on tv…gettin on to behaviour, they act like they probably do in india, doin what they please and saying what they please….they r uncivilized to the point where its embarassin to be with them anywhere in public….it should be against the law for people of certain nature and character to be allowed into such a free and open society because to be honest, they lose control of themselves and they feel they can do anythin they want…..i know i’m guna get a lot of hate replies and i expect it cuz its difficult to swallow the hard truth of things….but unfortunately for them it is the truth and i am first-hand witness to it….
peace out
Pak/Iran/Afghan confederation!!
Five points on Indian people -
1. Very Criminal minded.
2. Extremely Perverted.
3. Arrogant in a bad way.
4. Considers themselves to be god’s gift to the planet.
5. Likes to talk ill of others a lot.
check these links to see what happens when Indians over populate your shores-
http://www.alivenotdead.com/unstoppable/Sentosa-Molest-on-New-Year-profile-878623.html
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/DSP-indian-doctor-charged-for-molesting-in-singapore-2275980.html
@truthaboutindians : I tried to google “2010 molestation in sentosa by Indians” and surprise surprise, not even a single Singaporean credible news website published the article. The sources was only from blogs and you tube, which any educated person will not take it for granted.
As far as the medical contributions of Indians in Singapore, do a simple task: try strolling the corridors of major Singapore hospital like SGH and NUH, you ll see on the walls are full of pictures of the hospitals’ hall of fame, the past and present doctors, and you ll see many Hindu Indian names of doctors alongside Chinese names even in the founding commitee of those hospitals. Surprise..surprise hardly any Muslim Malays and of course no Muslims Pakistanis can be found.
I suggest “truthaboutindians” should change his name to “rubbishandcrap”.
As far the Australians are concerned, cultural contacts can lead to conflicts. But the Australian media are always reminding their own people that they were also invaders to the Aborigines. Recently in a documentary by Australia Network, in 1945 the Australians were only accepting immigrants from UK and rejected other white nationalities. They even sent back the Chinese againts their wishes after the war, even though the Chinese fought for the Australians in WW2. There is no need for the Pakistanis to get excited about this. This issue was solved by the PMs of India and Australia. Both countries have cooperated and stood together on many international issues. For example both India and Australia supported the expulsion of Pakistan from the Commonwealth ! I hope I have put everything into prospective.
I actually live in Melbourne. We hate Indians they are a plague.
this artical is good but sadily there are many ignorant ,drunk and racist aussies who abuse indians that also should be stoped.
Bharatis face a contant barrage of Anti-Indianism. How come Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Chinese don’t face the culutral clash in Australia. Why s only the Indians?
“Commonwealth”? the Dead White mens club is as insignificant as the Non-Aligned movement. That being said, Pakistan is a member!!
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wow…there r lotz of hatred among people
if sumbody is stinky ,behave badly, arrogant…well that is his problem.life is too short to wasting time hating people….
the nature of “non-native” sentiments are fostered where justice and opportunity are scarce. they feel that you are only there to take from a slice of pie that is already too thin, and getting thinner every day. they do not see you there as someone who contributes or gives back. it is up to you to prove them wrong. it is up to you to be a blessing in their communities. but for what its worth, it has nothing to do with actually being indian. such visciousness would be expressed even to imports from other parts of the country as well. it would just be tucked behind some other other bag of words … it wouldn’t be the same form of bigotry, but it would be bigotry nonetheless.
LET ME SUM IT UP:
INDIAN MEDIA INFLAMES THE SITUATION. So, please don’t feel angry. There are issues with Indian media.
AUSTRALIANS SIMPLY DO NOT LIKE NON–EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS. PERIOD. Australians don’t even like East Asians to be very honest or even Asians in general. They need a reason to spew their venom on non-whites and when they get it (i.e. Indian media bashing Australians), they full opportunity of it. If they don’t like you or want to welcome you, don’t live over there. Canada is more tolerant (because of racial and religious demographics) and so is US for the same reason. Australia is an exception. For Aussies, Australia is meant for white Australians of North-Western European descent only.
As for Pakistanis, A SENSE OF CIVILIZATIONAL CULTURE, LANGUAGE, HISTORY ETC…, WHICH TYPICALLY CONSTITUTES A NATION IS MISSING IN PAKISTAN. SO, IN ORDER TO FORGE A NATION OUT OF A DESPERATE GROUP OF PEOPLE, PAK ESTABLISHMENT WAS FORCED TO USED ANTI-INDIAN, ANTI-HINDU IDEOLOGY and all this started back in 1960s. That’s why there are hate comments by Pakistanis.
Both Australians and Pakistanis are racists. Indians also do racism (let’s be honest).
So, here we have a situation where Aussies don’t like non-whites, Pakistanis don’t like non-muslims, and Indians don’t like Australians and Pakistanis. Australians and Pakistanis luckily found a platform where they could freely exercise their civil liberties of hate either on religious grounds or race grounds.
Another temple indoctrinated Bharati who is spouting the old archaic line
Well, I was born in Australia and I have so many Indian Friends…. there is only one reason why aussies hate indians is that they feel insecure… indians have taken all their job becoz they r fuckin hard working…. the best doctors and engineers u find all over the world are Indians…
also call centre jobs are taken by them… Indians are harmless people… they are more into working and makin money for themselves…well, this article says that most of the Indians are involved in roberry… its untrue…
well, u should be knowing that the most of the people who have come here are on student visa… their parents back home r so fuckin rich… u wont have any idea…
I have so many aussie friends aswell, but I would like to tell u the fact that Aussie people stinks like shit… these people never take shower… if u visit their houses, its like a garbage…
I feel great that the talented people are comin to this country… becoz of these people its giving boost to australian economy… atleast these people, unlike Paki, or srilankans or like we lebanese dont come on ship and ask for refugee status…
these people spend hell lof of money to come to this country… every Indian almost spend 20,000 per yr on education here… Australia needs people like Indians…
If u check immigration website, australia needs skilled people… here in australia, no one likes to study… we all like to enjoy the money give by centre link…
Guys, do u have any idea ??? how many people in australia dont like to work and love to live in dole????
Support Indians… they will never harm u.. they are people who have been attacked by so many Kings and Countries… But they never dared invade any country…
These people loves peace and likes to love in harmony
@Lovelabanese
You might like to reflect upon how some of your cowardly ilk instigated the Cronulla Riots and their activities in the darkness after the riots (which caused more serious injuries than the so-called ‘Riots’ themselves), your Bilal Skafs and other assorted criminals, thugs, rapists and other careerist no-hopers before you next rubbish Australians.
Readers should bear in mind that there have been tensions between Indians and Lebanese in Sydney as well.
Job insecurity isn’t really a factor when it comes to ethnic tensions between Aussies and ethnics even though it may emerge in debates.
“here in australia, no one likes to study… we all like to enjoy the money give by centre link…” – Quoting the above village idiot.
Lovelabanese really wants to lecture about the level of workplace involvement of his own ilk excluding the car re-birthing industry, narcotics and narcotic-related shooting sprees in northern Melbourne and western Sydney.
Quoting another piece of idiotic drool:
“how many people in australia dont like to work and love to live in dole????”
Sure, oblige us with the percentage of professional spongers and parasites in your own ethnic community and shock us all, Lovelabanese……..
Having left Melbourne years ago for the country, I cannot understand why Indians should be singled out as a target for racism. I understand that the attackers came from a variety of ethnic backgrounds and some of the attacks have been opportunistic thefts by lowlifes who may have considered Indians to be an relatively easy target rather than attacking purely on the basis of racial hatred.
Australia is a country in transition and vast societal changes created by influxes of migrants, many of whom have cultural norms which are very different from the dominant Anglo-Celtic one, are making many locals feel unsettled and at times, unwelcome and foreign in the community they grew up in, especially when a relatively ‘inward-looking’ and exclusive ethnic group moves in and more familiar faces move away.
Migrants are generally welcome in Australia and we really don’t demand a pound of flesh but with slimy bastards like ‘LoveLabanese’, can you blame some of us for being suspicious and even hostile towards the attitudes of certain ethnicities?
Regarding myself I have been treated only with respect by Indians which only makes the racist motive for attacks seem puzzling to me.
I love india, we love all people. peace
This is the first piece of journalism from India that has been truthful.
Australians are sick to death of Indians.
Indians are too lazy, don’t follow the rules or laws, take the easy way out of everything and ruin the place. To all Indians who are thinking about coming to Australia. DON’T! There is enough third world vermin here already…
Hey Korean guy–Thank you for those comments from New Zealand!
Dear Brother ****,
Assalamoalikum,
I have been to many blogs/sites run by hardcore patriots but I must say yours is rocking with an attitude! It was a sheer coincidence that i bumped into this blog. The content and the tone of your replies were jaw dropping and I immediately mailed the link to all of my gang. MashaAllah you are doing what must be done, we are in the state of war; there is no escaping this harrowing fact. Candles should be lit on individual level rather than complaining about the darkness. I would hereby like to invite you to visit one such blog that gives hope and passion to the patriots (ah well only if you havent visited it already). http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com is run and maintained by an ‘aashufta sar’ known only by the name of Faqr -e- Ghyoor (a famous talmeeh of Iqbal RA). Me and many others contribute, or rather used to contribute in it for it has be left dormant because of some ‘izn’ to FG for doing so since 22nd Jul 2012. In FG’s own words, “I spent a lot of good time on this blog giving hope to others and enjoying the comments. Now this blog will serve as a repository of glad tidings about future.” Nevertheless, it is rich in its content for anyone to read. I am sure you are going to love it.
This said, i will now solicit your attention to something i noticed here, which i could not bring myself to shake off easily. Bro, you have been answering to many open and masked indians and the replies are satisfactory at best, however, pardon me for pointing it out; i think you totally misunderstood what a certain lady by the name of Rajalakshmi said. I keenly followed what she said on this article, post by post. I am dead sure that she could be anything but not anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistan. She did have her share of misconceptions about Islam or our belief system, but not in a malignant manner; rather in a inquisitive manner. In the manner of a mind that lusts after knowledge and understanding..and of course to be understood.
Lemme say that she is one of the best and most polite soul from across the border i have ever read. I think you totally missed her point. She opened her heart to this blog as she genuinely thought it to be one window to let her steam out which has burned her all her life living under the yolk of what she described best (i think her posts are pretty self explanatory, citing the oppression she endured living in a brahmin society). You yourself commented on her ordeal “You should be liberated from the custody!”. In the end, right before your scathing criticism of her, suspecting her to be a saboteur on this blog, she was merely asking for directions! And after your diatribe, she went away crying, for the love of God man! she said InshaAllah InshaAllah over and over again, something she must have become accustomed to living in Middle Eeast or around Muslim or Pakistani neighbors. I could feel how heartbroken she was. This over enthusiastic brother usman mirza added insult to injury as well! She thought she found an intellectual refuge in the shape of this blog which shared exactly the same sentiment she held all her life towards the typical indian brahmin mentality!
For a momin, every sphere is a place for Dawah. We must call all the nations and races of the world unto Allah SWT with best possible attitude. With Hikma, glad tidings should be on the fore rather than warnings about consequences. She said theology never interested her, perhaps that is why her approach was awkwardly straightforward, we should overlook that right there and then. Brother, it was in a long time i have seen some really learned person from brahmin indian background scathingly criticizing the zoinist and myopic nature of hindutva out of sheer frustration that she had to endure being in that culture. I suggest that an apology is in order, the lady rightfully deserves it (she is an ally not foe), and you will forgive me for being this open and objective in the very first post i am giving on this blog. May you, your loved ones and your team forever be blessed. May your resolve be more strong and faculties thrive, Ameen sum Ameen. Fi ammnillah.
>>Rajalakshmi
There were some very nice posts from her–but then she went off the rocker in a few. We certainly did not want to offend her or anyone else.
Some plant flame-baits, and we respond to them in a dignified manner. We accept all points of view and have some very literate and knowledgeable scholars on our site. That being said, we have disagreed with them and we agree to disagree and get convinced and convince each other–Mattia Salvini, Waqqas, Al-Ansarul Haq, Kant, Dr. Jamil Khan, and many many others (forgive me if we have not listed you).
More than 10 million readers have visited our site, a million in the last few weeks. Despite impediments we are growing and are known for our potent punches and no-nonsense aggressive, and unique reporting.
Many of our articles are blatantly copied without giving us credit. Khudi.com does this all the time –and many many others.
In all humility we say that Rupee News has a name for itself–we are known on the internet. “They” all know us! After all we have been publishing on the internet before the www, that makes it several decades.
Right now we have over 9000 articles on our site–articles you may never find anywhere else. Our discourse on Pakistani history should be a book!–and it is going to be one soon!!!!
You can link spiritual Pakistan to our site and hence increase visits to your site via the boomerang affect.
JazakAllah khair,
Thank you for the time taken to reply, I sure will post a link of your blog on Spiritual Pakistan inshaAllah.
Furthermore, can you publish an investigative report on the soldier of Pak Army, Ikhlaq Ahmed, martyred by the worshipers of ahinsa a couple or so days ago? It will be worth reading cause national press has reported the incident but in the usual hush hush manner with the exception of a few papers. Thanks