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The pace of Chinese development in the past 60 years is one of the wonders of the world. Not long ago the entire Chinese nation was kept in bondage by the East India Company which forced the country to continue to import opium. When the patriots revolted, Britain forced two wars on them. Finally Mao Ze Dung led the country to freedom from the machinations of Imperial Japan, Colonial Britain and a US which was supporting others in the civil war. In the past century the Chinese have walked softly and hidden the Big stick. It has whispered where others have shouted. The leadership in Beiing has bitten its lip on Taiwan and Arunchal Pradesh. It has kept quiet on the boundary line South of Tibet and kept quiet on international issues that it felt strongly about. Now the results are evident for all to see.

National Security: As China announces yet another double-digit increase in its military budget, and as this and other threats continue to grow, President Obama plans to spend just 3% of GDP on defense by 2016.

Almost unnoticed in January was the presence of Chinese warships deployed in the Gulf of Aden, south of the Saudi peninsula, to assist in the international anti-piracy mission. The deployment of naval vessels 4,000 miles from home is significant and historic. It demonstrates that China now has a blue-water navy.

China has announced in advance of the annual meeting of the National People’s Congress that it intends to increase its 2009 defense budget by 14.9%. This follows increases of 17.8% in 2007 and 17.6% in 2008. The actual increase may be higher, as China has traditionally kept many things, including major arms purchases, off budget.

China’s military budget has grown at an average rate of 16% the past decade. China’s military buildup is clearly aimed at acquiring the ability to overwhelm the defenses of, and successfully attack, U.S. carrier battle groups that might come to the aid of Taiwan in a crisis. Investors dot com 

India has been buying weapons and trying to build them for decades. It has been buying junk from Moscow (Flying Coffins) and has been unable to produce weapons on its own. The list of Indian failures is long. Kevari Engine, Tejas LCA, Trishul, Nag, Agni Arjun and Brahmos are a few examples of the total failure of the Delhi arms. Indian missile failures

A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from “unprecedented” internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country.

“China will launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century,” Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said. WSJ

Despite spending humongous amounts of money the bureaucrats of the Ganges have been unable to make Bharat self-sufficient in arms production. It is the only country of any sizable size which cannot produce arms that it can export. This colossal failure of the Bharati arms industry has filtered down to the total lack of any credible manufacturing from Goa to Gurdaspur.

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Of course the Tatas and the Birlas have pulled rabbits out of their hats with huge smoke and mirrors that make the average Bharati think that the paradise of the shantytowns in Mumbai that encompass half of the population of the city are part of Shining India. Bharatis are incapable of looking at the extreme penury around them and blind to the filth right outside the Delhi airport. They cannot smell the stench of human excrement right outside the Mumbai airport and oblivious to the fact that 80% of the population takes a dump every morning on the railway lines. A nation that does not have working toilets for 80% of its population is proud of the fact that it can turn on a switch on a Russian launcher and a Soviet era engine designed and made in Moscow. It is disgusting that the country which has the lowest PER CAPITA GNP in South Asia and has most of the world poor declare itself a Space power.

A society full of untouchable, Sati, widow incarceration, and caste in incapable of any shine. The Slumdog power has 89 insurgencies with 40% of its territory under rebel control–this is “Incredible India”. Nothing incredible about the IT power whose revenues from the Call Centers are half that of IBM. There is no shine in the country where 450 Dalits and Untouchables eek out a living as slaves and 150 million Muslims simply survive.

The Slumdog power mesmerized by Bollywood (filmed outside Bharat) cannot come to terms with the simple fact that 80% of its population lives below $2 per day with the hunger index placing it below Burkino Faso. Why doesn’t Russia transfer plane technology to India?

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The mainland is building a fleet of silent and deadly attack submarines that may soon outnumber our own. A recent Congressional Quarterly article warned that China by itself would possess twice as many submarines as the U.S. by 2010, and would likely have a larger fleet by 2015, possibly including at least one carrier of its own.

The capabilities and proficiency of the Chinese submarine fleet was demonstrated on Oct. 26, 2006, when another Song-class attack sub surfaced undetected within weapons distance of the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk in the East China Sea off Okinawa.

China now possesses 12 Kilo-class Russian attack submarines. It also has deployed the Type 094 ballistic missile submarine, equipped with the JL-2 ballistic missile, a sublaunched version of its land-based DF-31 ICBM. The JL-2 is equipped with multiple warheads and penetration aids that could reach the U.S. mainland from Chinese coastal waters. Investors dot com

One out of every 200 Indians is already employed by the Indian Armed Forces. Three out of every four Indians already live at or less than $2 a day. Bharat Sarkar (the Government of India) has, however, now jacked up the defence budget by a massive 55 percent. Who is India going to fight with?

India has 3,773,300 troops, plus 1,089,700 paramilitary forces (www.nationmaster.com). India’s army is second only to China in size. The Indian Air Force, with a total aircraft strength of 1,700, is the world’s 4th largest. The Indian Navy already operates some 13 dozen vessels with INS Viraat as its flagship, the only “full-deck aircraft carrier operated by a country in Asia or the Western Pacific, along with operational jet fighters.” Who is India going to fight with?

India has six neighbours; Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Burma, Nepal and China. India now spends a colossal $32.35 billion on defence, Pakistan $4.8 billion, Bangladesh $830 million, Nepal $100 million and Burma $30 million (according to Business Standard, India’s second-largest financial daily, “There is no apparent reason for India to understate its defence budget. No IMF conditions constrain defence spending…. But India continues to camouflage what other comparable liberal democracies transparently show as defence spending). Collectively, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma and Nepal spend $5.7 billion a year on defence. Who is India going to fight with?

Yes, there’s China and the People’s Republic spends $80 billion a year on defence. According to a report by Stratfor, the Texas-based private intelligence agency, “China has been seen as a threat to India, and simplistic models show them to be potential rivals. In fact, however, China and India might as well be on different planets. Their entire frontier runs through the highest elevations of the Himalayas. It would be impossible for a substantial army to fight its way through the few passes that exist, and it would be utterly impossible for either country to sustain an army there in the long term. The two countries are irrevocably walled off from each otherl…. Ideally, New Delhi wants to see a Pakistan that is fragmented, or at least able to be controlled. Towards this end, it will work with any power that has a common interest and has no interest in invading India.”

To be certain, India and China are not military rivals. Who is India then going to fight with? Bharatiya Sthalsena (the Indian Army) has a total of 13 corps, of which six are strike corps. Of the 13 corps at least seven have their guns pointed towards Pakistan. The 3rd Armoured Division, 2nd Armoured Brigade, 4 RAPID (Reorganised Army Plains Infantry Divisions), Jaisalmer AFS, Utarlai AFS and Bhuj AFS are all aiming at splitting Pakistan into two (by capturing the Kashmore/Guddu Barrage-Reti-Rahimyar Khan triangle). The News. Bharatiya Sthalsena Sunday, March 01, 2009 Dr Farrukh Saleem. The writer is the executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies (CRSS). Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com

In the latter part of the 19th century the Chinese fought with the British and lost the first and the second Opium war. Dr. Sun Yet Sen and others tried to throw off the yolk of colonialism but were not very successful. It was Mao Ze Dung that was finally able to mold the country into a united country and expel the Japanese, the British and the other colonial powers that wanted to divide the country.

Last December, the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun reported Chinese plans to begin construction of two aircraft carriers. They are scheduled to be launched in 2015. We have reported Chinese efforts to refurbish a former 55,000-ton, Soviet-built Kuznetsov-class carrier, the Varyag, at the Yellow Sea port of Dalian.
The Varyag will become the flagship of the new Chinese navy as it trains the first generation of Chinese naval aviators. Jane’s Defense Weekly reported last September that 50 students had begun carrier flight training at the Dalian Naval Academy.

The Pentagon’s 2008 report on Chinese military power noted that “China has an active aircraft carrier research and design program.” The Russian press recently reported that China was negotiating to purchase as many as 48 SU-33 fighter aircraft. They are built to operate from carriers and can be refueled in flight.

China is deploying an impressive surface fleet as well, one that with an aircraft carrier could form an impressive battle group. China received the second of two Russian-built Sovremenny-class guided-missile destroyers in 2006.

They come equipped with supersonic sea-skimming SS-N-22 Sunburn cruise missiles designed for one purpose: attack American carrier battle groups.

The U.S. Navy, which reached 568 ships in the late 1980s, struggles today to sustain a fleet of 279. The Navy is roughly the size it was on the eve of World War I.

New naval construction is near or below replacement level. On the target list for cuts by Rep. Barney Frank and other Democrats are needed ships like the Virginia-class (SSN-744) attack submarine and the DDG 1000 Zumwalt-class destroyer.

While the fiscal 2009 U.S. defense budget shows a nominal uptick, which we applaud, the Obama budget also projects that by 2016 the defense spending will be just 3% of GDP – or less than half the 50-year Cold War average.

Yes, we won the Cold War. But now, in doing the math between the U.S. and Chinese military budgets, there is reason to wonder who might blink in a future confrontation over Taiwan. Just how soft is President Obama’s “soft power” going to be? Investors dot com

 

 

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China has built it manufacturing sector from the ground up. It is very cognizant of the fact that the wealth of a nation is dependent on the manufacturing sector of a country. China bought equipment from Russia but only to build its own arms. It has now reached technological independence. Why did Pakistan buy fewer F-16s?

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On Jan 21, 2009, India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) tested BrahMos, the supersonic cruise missile (from Brahmaputra and the Moskva of Russia). According to India Today, the “test failure was due to a software error (unit cost $2.73 million).”

On July 9, 2006, DRDO test fired Agni III (unit cost $8 million). The missile remained airborne for a mere five minutes and then fell into the sea off the coast of Orissa. The following day, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) failed to launch a satellite when its rocket veered off course (destroying an Insat-4C satellite). The combined value of the satellite and the rocket was Rs2.5 billion. Agni III was test fired again on April 12, 2007, and then once again on May 7, 2008.

In 1974, DRDO began developing Arjun tank. It took DRDO 30 years–with billions wasted–to deliver the first five units. In July 2008, the Indian Army said it was “capping Arjun’s induction at 124 units.” DRDO now plans to deliver the remaining units sometime in 2009.

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In November 2008, Lt Col Shrikant Purohit was arrested by the Mumbai Anti-Terrorism squad for his involvement in the Samjhauta Express bombings. Sudha Ramachandran, writing for Asia Time Online, said, “The arrests have triggered a heated debate…. The probes point to the possibility of the hitherto secular and apolitical Indian Army being infected by the communal virus.”

Some nine years ago, India committed to achieve goals established at the Millennium Summit 2000. With so much money going into defence India is staring into a whole matrix of failures: failure in eradicating “extreme poverty and hunger”; failure in reducing the number of underweight children; failure in reducing child mortality; failure in reducing maternal mortality and failure in combating HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases.

Why a country 75 percent of whose population is at or below $2 a day is bent upon spending $32.35 billion for the acquisition of more killing machines? Who is India then going to fight with?The News. Bharatiya Sthalsena Sunday, March 01, 2009 Dr Farrukh Saleem. The writer is the executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies (CRSS). Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com

According to Parag Khanna, the world is witnessing the rise of China as a Superpower in the next few decades. India has missed the boat.

IAF vs PAF: Defined by IAF

Pakistan’s “214 Subs” made in Karachi 5th Generation Su-35 spinoffs made in China as J-11s
Pakistan rapidly moving beyond basic JF-17 Thunders. The J-10s J-11s and newer versions of JF-17
The Pakistani hawks in the sky: Y-89 AWACS
Nothing succeeds like success: Hataf, Ghauri, Babar, Abdali missiles

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JF-17 Thunders: Designed, built and operationalized in a record time of 4 years. Custom built for Pakistani needs
Serial production of JF-17 Thunder expedited:30-50 per year to 100 per annum
Beyond the Pakistani made JF-17 Thunder Fighter Plane, Chinese made J-10s.PAF next acquisition the J-11s?
Pakistan defense based on missile nuclear deterrent Hataf, Shaheen Babar and Abdali Hamza: Pakistan’s Augusta class Subs made in Karachi Pakistan’s 500 Al-Khalid tanks have been in production since 2001. Next generation tanks exported via IDEAS Pakistani made UAVs: Uqaab & Jasoos

3 New shipyards support Pakistani ship building & Frigates

Pakistan’s F-22 Frigates made in Karachi Chinese SAMs S-300s for Pakistan When with Iranian S-300s be operational?

11 Responses to “The coming war between India and China”

  1. Kumar says:

    It is advisable for writer to present article truthfully and he seems to be rabbid India basher. He took lot of pains to present distorted image and progress of India by presenting failures and omitting the successes deliberately .
    Good luck to and live in your foolish paradise
    Kumar

    • Moin Ansari says:

      Inability to read is a serious disposition which hampers ones ability to understand. If you had read the article you would have seen that it had quotes from various international magazines and newspapers.

      You should inform the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Center for Strtagic Research and the Times of India, and the Chief of Army Staff of India, and various Indian analysts not to be “rabbidly Indian bashers”.

    • Anonymous says:

      Mr. Kumar u haven’t replied to Mr. Moin’s comment

  2. aniket says:

    Ansari is bigot,doesn’t seem to see and understand that muslims ploriferate and multiply like rabbits in India,and are better off in India,they atleast have to choice(i.e. either to study or become a terrorist)
    but that does not matter because what is ingrained in genes(terrorism)can’t go.

  3. aniket says:

    Ansari,Indians are tolerant so they don’t behead or kill people which frankly advocated by you.

  4. dirtroad says:

    Aniket,

    I am an Indian and i don’t see the tolerence you boast of in your language. I am from Bengal and both Bengal and Punjab suffered the maximum during partition. However you will find that both these states have been able to rise above rabid communal feelings that you show here. Posssibly the riots acted as catharsis and made us realize that killing each other in the name of religion is not going to help any. Why not raise points than calling names?

  5. ebby says:

    This article should be removed, its fully against india. There is no point of comparison just nothing but insulting.

  6. Somnath says:

    Funny article

    1. The entire story revolves around defeting and killing India. Let us assume the same happens. My question is what after that ….

    2. India existed 7000 years and a war cannot finish India

    3. Why do you want everyone to be in Islam mould. Islam is a great religion but so are other religion.

    4. Again India will rise after a war. What would you do then.

    5. Why not live and let others live

    • The Editors says:

      Bharati civilization is not 7000 years. The only area of South Asia that had a civlization 5000 years ago was Mehargarh. Of course that had nothing to do with Bharat or Hindusim. The IVC was also not Hindu.

      The map of the IVC llooks like the map of Pakistan. It is. It is the map of Indus Valley 3500 years ago. This is the map of the Indus Valley Civilization which existed 5000 years ago on the banks of the Indus. This represent the Indus Pakistanis (see Indus Saga by Ahtizaz Ahsan, and Professor Dani’s prolific writings). The IVC was not Hindu. They buried their dead, wrote a non-Sanskirt pictographic language, ate beef, did not know the horse, were not vegetarian, wrote right to left, did not know the horse (No Arjun), and did not worship any of the Hindu pantheon (Arjun, Agni, Mithra, Nag). This map shows the Indus Valley Civilization which traded with the Muslim Moses in Mesopotamia. Pakistan is the latst Muslim incarnation of the IVC. The Indus people banded together to live together as they had lived together for thousands of years. This was the contract once the Britain left. Bharat never existed as a united country–What Partition? Bharat never existed as a nited country–Pakistan did for thousands of years. The original IVC thrived only on the banks of the Indus when Bharat was jungle. (http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/pakistan-existed-5000-years-ago-as-ivc.gif)

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