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Which plane will Delhi pick for $10 Billion 126 plane bid?

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In one of the largest bids put out by Delhi, Bharat is ready to purchase planes. The choices are limited. “Slim pickins” dictate a very thorough review of the technologies available and the decision making is complex.

Unable to build fighter aircraft Delhi is now purchasing planes worth $10 Billion. Bharat is the only country of if a large size that does not make its own equipment and is almost totally reliant on importing planes, ships and tanks. It massive failures in tank production as well as in missiles is the main reason it has ventured to spend big bucks on imports.

The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) program began in 1983 out of the rising need to replace the MiG-21s, which even then were becoming obsolete but still constituted the most numerous type of aircraft in the Indian Air Force’s inventory. By 1990, the design for a new plane was finalized, with the aircraft adopting a cranked delta wing and tailless configuration powered by a single turbofan engine.
Five years later the designated manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautical (HAL), unveiled two prototypes. However, because of difficulties with its flight-control system, the aircraft’s first test flight was delayed another five years, until January 2001. Since then, two more prototypes have been produced, with a naval variant currently undergoing development.

The real question in the tender is whether Bharat can afford to maintain two sets of maintenance facilities for two very different set of hardware suppliers, one Russian and the other American. The other major question is based on politics. Does Delhi wants to reward a US corporation with $10 Billion or is it being forced to do that for other political benefits elsewhere. Jilting Russian hardware manufacturers may also have negative repercussions on the Indo-Russian relationship. Russia could retaliate in a subtle manner. For example it could drag its feet further on the Next Generation Fighter or the Aircraft Carrier. If it really wanted to get nasty it could put additional pressure on Delhi in many different ways.

The capabilities the Tejas offers do not provide anything new or significant over existing light fighters that have already been flying in foreign air forces for years. In short, it is already obsolete. Asia Times. Anyone want an obsolete Indian fighter? By David Nguyen

The US and Russia dumping Sub-standard military hardware on Japan and India:

The seduction of the New East India Company overwhelms the senses of those who begin thinking of themselves as a new USA. Has the “East India Company” ever allowed any nation to compete with it and thus eliminate it? The Chinese are smart. Unfettered by the trappings of “democracy” they only allow limited access to the “East India Company”. The Indian nation tipsy by a shrinking $41 Billion call center industry (mislabeled and embellished as the IT industry) does not have the wisdom or the sagacity to see through the game. Too busy cajoling the USA, it has not only forgotten its roots, it is moving towards self-destruction. Like the 18th century India is ready to be pillaged and raped.

Super Hornet F/18: The Indian navy is not equipped for it and does not want it. The Indian Navy wants the F-35s. With a price tag of less than $50 million, Boeing Co. believes its aging F/A-18 Super Hornet is the right plane for penny-pinching times.

Lockheed Martin’s F-16: Lockheed Martin is hedging on its original offer of the F-35s and is asking the Indian Government to purchase the F-16s “which have the latest F-35 technology in it”. The IAF may want this advanced fighter jet, but the question is can Delhi afford it? At about $300 a pop, it cannot buy as many planes as it wanted. Bharat wants to purchase 126 fighters. It can only afford 30 F-35s. A “bait and switch” is being proffered by Lockheed Martin. By dnagling the F-35 in front of the Bharati people, the defense department is slavating. However the F-35 is not part of this “tender bid”, even though Lockheed is tyring to make it so by clever and crafty marketing. Lockheed is a commercial enterprise so there is no question of any transfer of technology to Bharat but Lockheed is careful not to say it bluntly. Coke would never give up its formula. In fact with Minister George Fernandez forced it to do what it cannot, Coca left India.

Saab’s Gripen: It is in the running, but not much is available on the discussions within the Air Force and the Army.

The visitors to this year Aero India will be deprived of having the opportunity to see the maneuvering of fighter aircraft Gripen, one of the six contenders for the Indian Air Force’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme, as the company believes there is too much cost involved in bringing the aircraft to India. People in the industry feel that this can well be a cost cutting exercise by the Swedish company, despite the fact that companies participating in the biennial aeroshow event are seeing a wave of opportunities both in the Indian defence and civilian market. Saab not to bring Gripen aircraft for Aero India 2009, Bibhu Ranjan Mishra / Chennai/ Bangalore February 10, 2009, 0:04 IST

Originally the Tejas was supposed to have been the Bharati version of the Gripen and the F-16s.

When completed, the Tejas will be comparable to the Gripen in its capabilities. But the Gripen has been operating in Swedish squadrons for nearly a decade and has already seen a new upgraded variant, the Gripen-C, being produced. Similarly, another light combat aircraft, the F-16, has been in service for nearly three decades while offering similar capabilities and numerous upgraded variants. The capabilities the Tejas offers do not provide anything new or significant over existing light fighters that have already been flying in foreign air forces for years. In short, it is already obsolete. Asia Times. Anyone want an obsolete Indian fighter? By David Nguyen

Dassault Rafale: This is a long shot and an “also ran”.

Eurofighter Typhoon: Britain’s Eurofighter Typhoon, whose advanced aerodynamics and intuitive controls and avionics have led to studies like the UK DERA rating it as the second-best air superiority aircraft in the world. Its supporting cast includes 1980s era Tornado F3 air defense variants, and upgraded GR9 Harriers from the Royal Navy.
According to press reports, the Typhoon has been rejected by the probably as a result of its poor showing against Bharat’s Su-30 during the IAF 2007 Indra Dhanush Exercise

 

RSK MiG-35: The Bharati Defense establishment is built on old obsolete hardware. When the USSR was big and strong and Bharat was not, Moscow used to dump its “Flying Coffins” on India and expected many thank yous. There is much bad blood on the Mig-35 between Delhi and Moscow. At first the Russia which was in dire financial straits had informed Bharat that this fighter would be jointly developed. However when push came to shove, Russia now flush with Petro-Dollars decided to go it alone. There are huge issues of Transfer of Technology with Russia not keeping its end of the deal and simply delivering the planes with cans of Tri-Color paint and Bharati IAF decals.

With a colossal $200 Billion foreign debt Beggers Can’t be choosers!

AIR F-35 Left Wingover Rear ViewF-35A #AA-1We are not sure why the F-35 and the F-22 are being discussed as part of this MMRCA bid. They are not part of it. In some marketing obfuscation Lockheed showed the F-35 with the tri-colors painted on it, but did not even show the F-16s.

8 Responses to “Which plane will Delhi pick for $10 Billion 126 plane bid?”

  1. Parth says:

    I can’t believe your bias and hate mate. Even when discussing something as simple as an aircraft contract, you jut can’t help taking swipes at Bharat. What have they done to you mate?

    Besides, rubbish article. F-35 is not 300 million a piece either. And over here, i hate to disappoint you but india ARE the choosers, like any other contract where costumer is the chooser. And you forgot the mention the 50% offsets policy as per India’s Defence Procurement Policy 2008 where half the components will have to be manufactured by Indian manufacturers.

  2. Vijay says:

    The pakistanis only know to hate India cause they can never ever catch up with India.

    To all pakistanis, please look at your mess first. Your whole country is running on the aid from IMF, WB, ADB. Your forex reserve is just USD14 billion.

    You are the beggers who is taking help from so called Friends of Pakistan.

    You want others to pay for your mess..

    • The Editors says:

      @ Vijay

      Pakistanis don’t hate anyone–they want to live without any Bharati interference. They would wish Bharat would leave them alone.

      India is one of the largest debtor nation on earth–which is sandwiched between Chad and Burkino Faso on the Hunger index, and the computer coolies has the gall to point fingers at their neighbors. The immiserated wastelands of the miserable country, where the poor starved, the latifundists larked and the selected few of the elite sucked on the blood of the toiling millions—the 450 million Dalits who are enslaved as Untouchables.

      In every human endeavor and statistic Pakistan is either better, or equal to India. In those few areas in which India is better, it is better only marginally. That from a country that was the most depressed part of South Asia during the colonial Raj.

      The area comprising Pakistan was the most backward region of South Asia in 1947. Pakistan in 1947 had one dilapidated textile mill, one non-functional jute mill and one decrepit university. The literacy rate was 15%. Today it is 50%-65% while the Indian Muslims languish at 25%. Today Pakistan makes everything, has 150 universities, some of them world class like The Agha Khan University.

  3. Vijay says:

    My dear friend,
    Before calling india as beggers, look at your Foreign Debt. Indias forex reserve is 279 Billion dollars.

    Most europian union countries are under foreign debt of more than 100% of their forex. Greece is more than 200% under foreign debts.

    Indian economy is 11th largest econmy in world in terms of GDP with 1.24 Trillion dollar. 4th Largest in world in terms of PPP.

    Pakistan economy is 45th largest in world in terms of GDP and 27th largest in terms of PPP.

    look at the figures my friend. Indians are not beggers, but choosers.

    Pakistanis should be ashamed of getting US aid under so shamefull Kerry-lugar bill. Every country is giving aid to for pakistans existance.

    Pakistan cabinet is seeking more help from US. USD 1.5 billion per year under kerry lugar is not enough for Pakistan. Now pakistan is begging US for 5 billion USD per year.

    So look at the figures. Stop this hate against India.

    India is not an enemy of pakistan. We are neighbours n we cant change this fact.

    Lets stop the hate and build friendship.
    Indian n pakistanis if come together can really rock this world.

    • The Editors says:

      @ Vijay

      Bharat is one of the largest debtor nations on the planet. 4th largest my foot. The economy of tiny Benelux countries is larger than that of Bharat.

      KL simply reimburses a tiny fraction of what is owed to Pakistan. The Pakistani losses are $3 billion–the US DOD calculated Pakistani losses to be $20 billion per year.The loss has to be reimbursed. The aid is only 3% of the Pakistani budget–useless and unhelpful.

      Bharat also gets US aid.

      There is no hate—only facts

      Bharat has to stop terror against Pakistan and all her neighbors. Pakistan doesn’t want to rock with Bharat–it wants to rock with Central Asia

  4. Vivek says:

    Too busy cajoling the USA, it has not only forgotten its roots, it is moving towards self-destruction. Like the 18th century India is ready to be pillaged and raped.

    Really? May I point out that its Pakistan being bombed by American drones today not India. And yes India’s relations with the US have improved dramatically but its still retained strong ties with Russia and made forged strong relationships with Vietnam, Malaysia, Japan and other Eastern countries. Even relations with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are better than they have ever been since the last two decades. To top it all, India has been able to forge new ties with traditional Pakistani allies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the UAE. Every year the Indian military holds joint exercises with the US, UK, France, Singapore, Oman, Israel, Bhutan, Vietnam and will now be starting exercises with Japan, Germany, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

    And the credit for forging those foresighted relations goes to some brilliant people in the current administration as well as a few in the last one.

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