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PAF vs IAF-Defined by IAF

The perennial discussion of the IAF and the PAF is made more pertinent because of the current tension after the Mumbai militancy. The discussion of the PAF by Bharati officials aways makes an interesting read. We have combined the IAF assessment of the PAF with some discusison of the PAF by experts who have evaluated the Beyond Visual Range capability of the PAF planes and the upgrade program of the PAF whach has made the original aricraft must more potent than what the designers had made.

According to the Bharati assessment (‘New aircraft can make Pak airpower stronger’ 23 Sep 2008, 0502 hrs IST, Anand McNair ,TNN) the PAF is stronger than the IAF. This assessment has been made noe other than the Bharari Air Marshal Kanwar Dalinderjit Singh, air officer commanding-in-chief, SWAC. In a seminal interview he told the Times of India that the IAF was weaker than the PAF.

GANDHINAGAR: Emergence of new warfare technologies have not been able to diminish the crucial role of airpower to achieve national objectives of any country. When nuclear thresholds of countries keep changing, it is superior airpower that becomes a matter of choice for nations to protect their respective national interests. Hence when Pakistan recently bought US and Chinese multi-role aircraft, Indian Air Force’s (IAF) south western air command, the frontline of defence against Pakistan, was quick to assess its long-term implications for India.

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  • Air Marshal Kanwar Dalinderjit Singh, air officer commanding-in-chief, SWAC, told TOI that Pakistan has outlined a big plan to replenish its aircraft fleet and upgrade existing fighters. Till June 2008, US had delivered Pakistan eight second-hand F-16 s even as plans were afoot to upgrade its ageing fleet of the same variant. Besides, neighbouring country has bought eight JF-17 multi-role aircraft from China and proposes to buy 150 more in the coming years. It has also ordered for 36 J-10 fourth generation multi-role aircraft from China, he said.

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  • According to Air Marshal Singh, a veteran fighter pilot who has flown Hawker Hunter and MiG-21 variants among other fighters and trainers, [Pakistani] aircraft are quick in response and can cause a lot of destruction, so the ongoing development by Pakistan to strengthen its airpower cannot be ignored.

    He, however, added that the only comfort could be the fact that upgradation of F-16 s would not add new capabilities to the aircraft and the Chinese fighters have not proved their claims. The SWAC AOC-in-C refused to divulge any information on plans to counter airpower imbalance in immediate neighbourhood in the coming years. But he added that work was on to set up a new airbase and strengthen the existing ones under the south western air command.

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    IAF has been building a new airbase at Phalodi near Jodhpur. The base which will become operational by 2009-end. It will have transport and attack helicopters, MiG-29 Bison and air defence aircraft. Jamnagar airbase is being upgraded and those in Naliya and Bhuj strengthened, he said. Rajasthan, Gujarat and Maharashtra, three states that SWAC has to defend, have different characteristics in terms of economy and others, thus delineating a varied role for IAF
    . ‘New aircraft can make Pak airpower stronger’ 23 Sep 2008, 0502 hrs IST, Anand McNair ,TNN. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Ahmedabad/New_aircraft_can_make_Pak_airpower_stronger_/articleshow/3515786.cms

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    The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has acquired 18 F-16 of the Block 52 series taking its total to 64, a squadron of jointly produced (China-Pakistan) JF 17  Thunder fighters. It  has ordered some 36 J-10B fighters upgraded to the the Super 10– an upgraded version of the J-10 with a locally made Chinese TVC engine (beyond the WS-13). The PAF produced the K-8 trainer and is also working with the  Chinese to produce L-15 supersonic trainers. The “Shaheens” have  already ordered eight Erieye AEW&C from Sweden and now owns IL-78 Refueling tankers tankers for mid-flight refueling. The PAF is also producing the AWACs with Chinese help. It has received a dozen S-70 Super Cobra helicopters from the US. The PAFs current published strength is reportedly 383 combat capable aircraft including the older upgraded Chinese A-5, 129 F-7 PG/MG (Chinese revamped version of the MiG-21), nearly 113  upgraded Mirage III/V, some 64-plus F-16 fighters and a squadron of JF-17 of which some 500 are being built locally (25-75 per annum). PAF officials are aiming to finally acquire a whopping 150 J-10Bs from China in the next decade. The PAF is also eyeing the J-14 (J-XX, Chinas’ 5th gen stealth fighter which it calls 4th generation).

    PAF v IAF Air Power

    The IAF’s current strength is around 600 of which the MiG-21 fleet of (FL, M, MF and Bis types) comprise 293 aircraft. The IAF has MiG-23 (BN&MF), Mi-17 helicopters, Mi-25/35 attack helicopters, Mi-26 super heavy helicopters, Mirage-2000 multi-role fighters, MiG-29 and Mig-27s.  The IAF  slowly phased out the Fairchild Packet C-119, the Dakota DC-3, Caribou, Otter, Toofani, Mystere 4A, Gnat, Ajeet and the Hunter and later the Canberra light bomber aircraft as well. It has about 30 1996 vintage Sukhoi 30MKI (Flanker: 140 have been ordered and 140 will be assembled from kits). It also is bying the PAKFA (aka FGFA) whose 5th gen credentials have been challenged by international agencies. The IAF has no credible trainer aircraft, a reason given t the highest crash rate in the world. The HPT-32s have been grounded. The HTT-34 was a total failure.
    The Mig 21s ang Mig-27s have pretty much been grounded. The Il-76 have been grouned too, so the IAF really has only about 300 aircraft of unpredictable value. Due to the unavailbility of the LCAs, has ordered 126 planes as part of the MCRC program. However the MMRCA (ten C-17, eight Boeing P8I LRMP (for the Navy), six Lockheed Martin C-130J, six second-hand Sea King helicopters (for the Navy) won’t be delivered for a decade. The IAF may also be buying 12 Mirages from Qatar.

    The Chinese  People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)  possesses some 1653 combat capable aircraft. The PLA Navy has 290 of which some 30 per cent are current generation including 84 J-10, 116 J-11(Su-27), 97 Su-30MKK, 156 JH/FB-7, 516 J-8, and 540 J-7. Since its unveiling in 2003-04, the PLAAF has already inducted 84 J-10 fighters of the roughly F-16 class.China has the capacity build 40 to 50 fighters per year, a capacity it is increasing exponentially. China has built the first ever Airbus outside Europe and rolled out a Cessna-162 basic trainer the first of some 1500 of these aircraft. According to Aviation Week & Space Technology (AWST) Annual Review Resource Book 2009, ‘Aircraft Forecasting’ Report, China would rank among the major producers of modern fighters in the current decade with the capacity to produce 45 to 48 fighters of the J-10 and J-11 class. This means that the PLAAF would field some 1500 to 2000 modern fighters by 2020

    Here is an independent analysis of the Air Forces:The Indian Air Force has had a tough time recruiting pilots.

    Pakistan on the other hand has no problems recruiting pilots – the PAF has one of the highest rejection rates amongst air forces in the world. The PAF also has a better pilot to aircaft ratio than the IAF, meaning it could sustain a greater sortie rate over a protracted conflict. PAF aircraft are also “pimped” in that they have been extensively modified. Thus, while on paper PAF is flying ancient Mirages that were bought second hand from the Australians, when one actually examines any such model, one is surprised at how extensively they have been rebuilt – almost from scratch and the hardware is extremely lethal. Other than the secretive BVR AAMs, the PAF has extensively incorporated the strike element into its Mirages, at a level only matched by the IAF’s Mirage-2000s and Su-30 FLANKERs, and even then, some of the equipment has no IAF equivalent.

    PAF’s F-7s have better ranges and also don’t need to fly as far given that they would be defending. Yet, everything is not as it seems. What at first glance seems overwhelming odds against the PAF, on closer examination, do not seem as overwhelming. The IAF has far lower serviceability of its aircraft, their pilot training, as evidenced by recent Red Flag exercises with the US is also not yet up to par with the PAF, their maintenance crews are not as diligent, their mainly Russian/Soviet technology is generally less reliable and less effective than advertised, and a large part of their fleet of MiG-21s and MiG-27s are outdatedPAF aircraft are either of Western stock or Chinese and are far more maintenance friendly. Pakistan has also been upgrading their aircraft massively and have incorporated a complex combination of technology from across the globe – from China to Brazil, from South Africa to the US. PAF also very likely has BVRs that are not advertised of South African and Chinese origin. PAF pilot training is on par with the best in the world, and its maintenance crews are trained on the level of Western maintenance crews. Lastly, fighting an air war over Pakistan gives the PAF a home advantage and makes their radar and SAM infrastructure very relevant.

    Even the first 50 will have a whole host of features, some of them SOC has underestimated. For instance, the radar can simultaneously engage 4 not 2 as SOC mentions. Also, detection range for something the size of an MKI are likely to be a good deal more than 75 kms. Further, data linking between the fighters and with the radar network and AEW assets means this is even greater, particularly as SOC admits, any such scenario would be over Pakistani territory.


    If seems clear that the J-10 will be focused on countering the 230 odd MKI that India will eventually have. Various interviews indicate this. 100 J-10s reflect a good direct comparison to 230 MKI, given the over all exchange ratio between the larger IAF and smaller PAF. Further, in actual operational service this will actually be even better – the twin engined and maintenance intensive MKI, run by less qualified Indian technicians will generate markedly lower sortie rates than PAF’s WS-10A fitted J-10s. This is not bias, but a fact based on the Indian maintenance record.

    Superiority of the MKI’s PESA radar, with a detection range of 160 Km
    AEW&C assets will also negate any advantages the MKI has over any potential encounter with the FC-1 / JF-17. When both sides have this, it levels the playing field for the FC-1 / JF-17


    The detection range of the Bars is (according to Janes, for a 2m squared target), 80-100 km head on. About half what was first estimated, and that assuming a 2m squared target. More probable would be a calculation for 1 meter squared target, and that is being generous, given that the JF-17 is smaller than the F-16, and hides its blades AND has RAM coating.
    The 75km is the detection range of the JF-17, for a “fighter sized target”. Clearly, for the MKI, specially loaded out for offensive operations, this will be way bigger. Again, assuming that what was originally MY estimate of the detection range is in fact accurate (I actually never said 75 kms but > 75 kms, implying a minimum of, rather than a typical range. Further, given revelation of info on the KLJ-7’s surpising modernity and the increased radome size on the JF-17, the point becomes even less arguable).
    Later blocks of the JF-17 are likely to have an AESA radar Grand Strategy

    PAF aircraft are also “pimped” in that they have been extensively modified. Thus, while on paper PAF is flying ancient Mirages that were bought second hand from the Australians, when one actually examines any such model, one is surprised at how extensively they have been rebuilt – almost from scratch and the hardware is extremely lethal. Other than the secretive BVR AAMs, the PAF has extensively incorporated the strike element into its Mirages, at a level only matched by the IAF’s Mirage-2000s and Su-30 FLANKERs, and even then, some of the equipment has no IAF equivalent.

    Pakistan air force upgraded its mirage fleet as ROSE3 and ROSE5 programme, ROSE3 for all mirage3 type aircrafts and ROSE5 is for all mirage5 aircrafts, this programme base on avionics upgradition+Elextronic warfare system, all mirages can use all advance weapon system of pakistan have avalable, like stand off weapon,RAPTOR1/2, bvr missile,tv/IR guided missile,targeting pod,etc.datalink system,ecm pod, SAGEM is main partner for this upgrde programme.


    ROSE (Retrofit Of Strike Element)

    ROSE III will considerably enhance the mirage pilot’s situation awareness via Sagem’s integration of a new Radar Warning Receiver two Multi-Function Display a Forward Looking Infra Red system and a Head Up Display, by virtue of the new system computer being installed.

    So PAF only settled for the ROSSE-I & ROSE-II upgrades for Mirage-IIIs & ROSE-III for Mirage-V. ROSE-IV was to integrate MICA on Mirage-III but was canceled.

    The PAF is nevertheless modernizing, and by 2012 would have caught up with the IAF. With induction in numbers of JF-17s and J-10s by the end of 2009, the PAF will see the gap vis-à-vis the IAF close rapidly

    Dr. Haroon. Orkut

    PAF Mirage Upgrades

    The avionics upgrade project named the ‘Retrofit of Strike Element’ (ROSE was conceived in 1992 and commenced effectually from April 1995. The avionics package included Inertial Navigation System, Heads Up Display, Airborne Video Tape Recording System, and self-protection systems like RWR, Chaff and Flares. A modern airborne radar, the Griffo-M was also retrofitted. When the Americans released 360 AIM-9L missiles under the Brown Amendment, it was decided that the Mirages being upgraded and equipped with the Griffo-M radar must also be made capable of carrying the AIM-9L missiles. The hardware modification of this project had been completed, but its software was under development. The SAGEM Group, which was carrying out the upgrade of the Mirages, had developed their own Forward Looking Infra Red (FLIR) Pod. They needed to carry out the proto-typing of this equipment on an aircraft, free of cost, so that if found fit, the PAF could buy them. FLIR modification on these aircraft was also in progress.

    Of the forty-five aircraft eventually recovered at PAC Kamra, there were seven dual-seat models that were allotted to No. 5 Squadron. Out of the forty-two single-seat Mirages, thirty-two with ROSE configuration, were allotted to No. 7 and CCS Squadrons. Four aircraft belonging to Photo Reconnaissance category and an additional aircraft were recovered and allotted to the No. 5 Squadron. One aircraft crashed prior to ROSE modification and the remaining five aircraft were found beyond recovery and were reduced to spares.


    In the second half of 1992, the PAF had a genuine concern over the gap that would be created by the phasing out of the A-5s in 1997. After considering various courses, the purchase and re-lifting of some used Mirages seemed a practical option. The sources included Belgium, Spain, France, Lebanon and Zaire. In 1995, the planners at Air Headquarters established an operational requirement for at least fifty such aircraft. On the directive of the CAS, the feasibility of a package of forty Mirages was validated and the case for allocation of funds was taken up. The government released the necessary funds.

    In order to reliably assess the physical condition of these Mirages, a PAF team visited Spain, France and Lebanon, while the Air Attaché in Paris was asked to inspect the Belgian aircraft. During their visits, the team inspected seventy-one Mirages and submitted their report. Similarly, the Defence and Technical Attaché in Paris inspected twenty-five aircraft from SABCA, Belgium.

    On 25 May 1995, after a post visit presentation to the Air Board, the CAS approved the formation of a project team to manage all aspects related to a cost effective induction of about forty Mirages in the PAF fleet. These aircraft were to be of a single variant, capable of a surface attack role, not exceeding a total cost of $120 million, and were to form two viable and homogenous squadrons, fully supportable with the PAF maintenance resources and infrastructure.

    The project team obtained proposals for the intended purchase of Mirages from all the potential vendors, and simultaneously launched a market study. The PAF’s own overhauling experiences in Kamra were kept in view to work out the expected costs of each aircraft and the related project. During a visit to France in 1995, the project team was pleasantly surprised to learn that forty Mirage Vs and about forty Mirage IIIs of the French Air Force were available for sale at quite a reasonable price. The French Mirage V suited the PAF requirement because of its longer range and additional payload. Later, through various coordination meeting in Pakistan, the PAF and AIRCO worked out a detailed proposal, which included the required statement of work. Representatives from the French DGA and the French Air Force accompanied the AIRCO team, to demonstrate their full support to the PAF-AIRCO agreements and obligations. SAGEM is a French company that has Defence and Security Division as one of its main branches. In this division, SAGEM specializes in three specific categories, i.e. inertial navigation, electro-optic equipment, and system integration.

    In Project ROSE, the PAF was already acquiring thirty-six Mirages upgraded by SAGEM through their inertial navigation and system integration departments. In August 1995, SAGEM combined their upgrade skills with the potential sales opportunity, and proposed to the PAF a package deal of forty Mirages at a quoted cost of $150 million.
    As the SAGEM proposal became more and more attractive and feasible, the PAF negotiated a further reduction in costs so that they actually fell into its feasibility regime.

    Through numerous discussions, SAGEM came up with a revised proposal of $124 million in November 1995. According to this proposal, the package was to consist of thirty-four Mirage Vs and six dual-seat Mirage IIIs, making a total of forty fully overhauled aircraft. Out of the forty aircraft, twenty Mirage Vs would be modernized to the ROSE-II standards (ROSE-II modification is the same as ROSE-I, except the Griffo-M radar is replaced by FLIR). The engines installed on the aircraft would have a minimum life of four years and 300 hours. The package would also include the required ground support, alternate mission equipment, and line replaceable units. Besides, the kits for RWR, CFD and GPS would be installed in all aircraft.

    Keeping in view the overall SAGEM package vis-à-vis quoted prices, the offer appeared quite viable to the PAF. According to a conservative estimate, the cost of this package should have been at least $146 million. On 27 December 1995, the PAF gave the go ahead, and the contract for the forty Mirages was signed on 1 February 1996 for a total amount of 118 million.

    This deal had become somewhat controversial mainly due to misreporting in the press. The PAF preferred to have the necessary modifications done in France since PAC Kamra was during that time frame, already busy overhauling the PAF’s existing Mirages. Accepting any additional work would have unnecessarily delayed the delivery of the French Mirages to the PAF without making any difference in cost.

    SAGEM encountered problems on purchase of spares, which they needed for the timely and efficient running of their upgrade program. Thus the program suffered delays during most of 1997 and 1998. However, the company managed to get the first batch ready by September 1998, when PAF pilots ferried across eight Mirages on 22 September 1998. A second batch of eight was received in 1999 while the third batch of eight came to Pakistan on 22 June 2000. The deliveries of the rest were supposed to be completed by the end of the year 2000.


    ROSE (Retrofit of Strike Element) Upgrade program completed on original RAAF aircraft. There were 50 ex-Australian Mirage IIIOs acquired in 1990 for Aus $36 million for re-work at the Mirage Rebuild Factory, Kamra. Most of these aircraft had less than 4000 flying hours on them and they were in excellent condition. Out of these 50, only 45 aircraft were upgraded and 10 were stored for spares. The avionics upgrade included fitting of HUD, HOTAS controls, RWR’s chaff / flare. Very little is known about the origin of the HUD and other avionics such as ECM, navigational and attack system and the mission control and planning computer but speculations suggest that these are of the same origin as the French upgrade. The MAESTRO system includes SAGEM’s multifunction navigation equipment, combining in one unit inertial and satellite navigation, databus management and mission computer. It also features a state-of-the-art glass cockpit including multiplexed Control and Display Unit, moving map Head Down Display and multimode stroke and raster Head Up Display, for full Hand On Throttle And Stick control of modes and functions.
    Additional equipment are available, such as: an IRCCD Forward Looking Infra Red navigation sensor for reconnaissance applications – laser rangefinder – air data sensors and computer – radar altimeter, and high capacityIn the French upgrade, GEC head-up display and HOTAS similar to Mirage-2000 is used. One of the French Mirages serial number 93.725 was displayed at the 1999 Paris Air Show showed FLIR of French origin. Smart weapons capabilities may be further exploited by the navigation/targeting pod shown SAGEM’s Mirage 5F at Le Bourget.


    It is a widely circulated rumor among the PAF critics that Pakistan acquired South African MUPSOW, a multi-purpose, surgical-strike weapon, designed to neutralize enemy targets such as airfields, bunkers and command-and-control centres at standoff ranges. Pinpoint accuracy is achieved by using an advanced navigation and terminal guidance technology. It is also known that between 1996-98 Pakistan bought category A and B military hardware which includes sensitive major significant equipment, such as fighter jets and other large systems. Some sources also report that PAF was also testing South African Raptor I and II precision guided munitions which were designed based on Mirage III/Cheetah being the primary platform of launch.

    Although identified as the DART pod, this appears identical to Rafael’s LITENING pod. Other Mirage 5F upgrades included an integrated electronic warfare suite, on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS), and single point pressure refueling. One of the key features of the ROSE upgrade was the induction of Italian FIAR Grifo-M radar, which is a copy of US made APG-68 radar. This gave these aircraft the capability of carrying BVR missiles. At the time Pakistan was interested in South African Darter series of missiles, which later on fell through due to sanctions imposed, by South Africa when military government took over after a bloodless coup.

    No 8 Squadron of PAF was assigned with some of these ex-RAAF Mirages, which also had Thomson-CSF Agave attack radar for use in conjunction with the AM.39 Exocet anti-ship missile.MAESTRO nav/attack system
    SAGEM SA has designed the Modular Avionics Enhancement System Targeted for Retrofit Operations (MAESTRO) with flexibility so it can be easily tailored to any customer’s specific requirements and offers capabilities at par with those of current front line fighters. MAESTRO features full inertial and GPS performance provided by SAGEM navigation and mission computer systems implementing the Embedded GPS-Inertia (EGI) concept, Terrain Contour Matching (TERCOR) for stealth navigation and blind attack in combination with the SAGEM high-capacity data transfer system, wide field-of-view FLIR-compatible HUD, glass cockpit, Hands On Throttle And Stick (HOTAS) interface, air-to-ground and air-to-air fire control, including multimode pulse Doppler radar and/or laser rangefinder, full EW suite comprising radar warning, missile launch detection, chaff and flare self-protection and/or jamming systems and the all digital CIRCE 2001 mission planning system. MAESTRO can be adapted to new aircraft of western or eastern origin

    Sigma ring laser gyro inertial navigation systems
    The Sigma family of inertial navigation systems is implemented through the combination of high-performance laser gyro sensors and a GPS receiver. Such systems are intended for use in combat aircraft equipped with a multiplexed databus. Sigma systems offer all the benefits of tight hybridization between ring laser gyros and a GPS receiver by a multi-sensor Kalman filter for both alignment and navigation. The synergy between these three elements brings the following advantages; reduction in size, weight and power consumption through the integration of inertial and GPS functions; short alignment time on the ground, in the air or at sea; monitoring of sensor performance and integrity for GPS and INS; automatic in-flight calibration of inertial sensors; long-term stability of inertial performance and higher resistance to jamming and improved dynamic behavior of the GPS. Some versions combine the navigation and fire control functions. These versions provide aircraft position, velocity and attitude information, computation of navigation and steering information to waypoints; position updating by navigation fixes; terrain reference updating; weapon delivery computations consisting of ballistics, determination of release point, ripple spacing of weapons, safety pull-up information; head-up display information for target acquisition and commands for the blind release of stores; attack modes; air data computations and multiplex bus control.

    Sigma 92G inertial nav/attack system
    The Sigma 92G uses three ring laser gyros and three quartz accelerometers. It is fitted with an embedded GPS receiver and performs weapon delivery functions.

    SPECIFICATIONS
    Dimensions:
    (navigator) 386 x 194 x 191 mm
    (control/display unit) 216 x 116 x 153 mm
    (mode selector) 151 x 41 x 135 mm
    Weight:
    (navigator) 16 kg
    (control/display unit) 3.5 kg
    (mode selector) 1 kg
    Power supply: 115 V AC, 400 Hz, 3 phase, 220 VA
    Accuracy: 1 n mile CEP position, 5 mrad weapon delivery

    Uliss inertial navigation and nav/attack systems
    Uliss modular systems all employ high-accuracy inertial components consisting of two dynamically tuned gyros and three dry accelerometers, a microprocessor-controlled computer working at 1 Mops with EPROM memory and highly integrated and hybrid circuits. As an option, Uliss can be equipped with an embedded GPS receiver for high-performance INS/GPS coupling and a higher-performance RISC processor using Ada language. Uliss systems fall into two categories, in both of which the main inertial navigation unit is contained within a {3/4} ATR short case. In the first category are navigation versions with a position accuracy of better than 1 n mile/h. In the second category the navigation function is combined with the computation necessary for weapon delivery.

    Alignment time is 90 seconds for stored heading and 5 to 10 minutes for self-contained gyro compassing. Standard interfaces permit the systems to be linked to other equipment via MIL-STD-1553B databusses or ARINC serial data lines. A failure detection system can detect faults at module level with 93 per cent confidence, isolate them and signal their presence on a magnetic annunciator without external test equipment. More than 80 per cent of the components and subassemblies are common to all members of the Uliss family, the principal differences being in specific interfaces and computation functions. In all, 1,600 Uliss units are in operation on 25 different types of aircraft.

    Allocation of these Mirages

    PAC Kamra recovered forty-five. Out of eight dual models, seven were recovered and allotted to 5 Squadron (based at Rafiqui AFB). Out of the forty-two single-seat Mirages, thirty-two aircraft with the ROSE configuration were allotted to 7 and CCS (Mirage) Squadrons. Four aircraft belonging to Photo Reconnaissance category and an additional aircraft were recovered and allotted to 5 Squadron. One aircraft had crashed prior to ROSE modifications.

    The remaining five aircraft were found beyond recovery and were reduced to spares. PAF Air Headquarters decided to re-equip No. 7 Squadron with ex-Australian Mirages, thus the A-5s with which they were equipped before were transferred to Peshawar. This No Squadron flew the first sorties on 24 November 1991 after they received three Mirages from PAC Kamra. On 15 February 1993, the entire flight line assets were swapped with 22 OCU. The Squadron received the ROSE modified ex-Australian Mirage aircraft during 1997. At present this squadron operates the maximum number of ROSE modified aircraft. In January 1993, the No. 22 Mirage OCU unit was equipped with ex-Australian Mirages and its own aircraft were handed over to 7 TA Squadron.

    The No. 15 Squadron, which operated F-7Ps, was number-plated on 31 October 1997 as the consequence of the PAF Force Re-structuring Programme. The F-7P aircraft in its inventory were distributed among other F-7 operating units. This unit is has been equipped with ex-French Mirages aircraft and has been moved to its new location, Rafiqui AFB.

    The No. 7 Squadron, which moved to PAF Base Minhas on 25 January 1996 received the ROSE-1 modified aircraft, together with CCS Mirage Squadron (ROSE-1 modified Mirage-3EA). The No. 7 Squadron was re-designated as 25 TA Squadron and assigned the specialist night attack role with effect from March 1997. The first two Mirage-5EF (ROSE-2) aircraft were ferried to Minhas AFB from France. The Squadron become a full-fledged operational Squadron after it received the next batch of ROSE-2 Mirages.

    New Mirages
    PAF inducted 40-50 Mirages from France and Lebanon. These Mirages were also upgraded to the ROSE standard. Zero time wings of Mirages have been obtained from South Africa, whereas an undisclosed amount of zero time engines have also been inducted from Australia, South Africa and France.

    The PAF Mirage fleet has recently been equiped with H-2/-4 [T-DARTER] BVR Missles. Hence a PAF Mirage uses 4-5 AAMs in air defence role. In air to air configuration, a Mirage ROSE-2 can carry 2 AiM-9L/M Sidewinders or Magic 2 SRMs, 2 H-2,-4 BVRAAM and a centreline fuel tank or R-530D AAM. The 30mm DEFA multibarrel cannon is retained.

    The performance of these Mirages is currently being tested up to its maximum level in the HIGH MARK 2005 wargame.

    PAF Mirage Types and Tail Numbers
    Here is the official numbers of PAF Mirage holdings inducted since 1967:

    Mirage-IIIEP
    Inducted in: 1967
    Quantity: 18
    Tail Numbers: 101 to 108
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash One’ contract

    Mirage-IIIDP
    Inducted in: 1967
    Quantity: 3
    Tail Numbers: 301 to 303
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash One’ contract Given ROSE-1 upgrade

    Mirage-IIIRP
    Inducted in: 1967
    Quantity: 3
    Tail Numbers: 201 to 203
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash One’ contract

    Mirage-IIIDP
    Inducted in: 1970
    Quantity: 2
    Tail Numbers: 304 to 305
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash Two’ contract. Given ROSE-1 upgrade

    Mirage-5PA
    Inducted in: 1970
    Quantity: 28
    Tail Numbers: 401 to 428
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash Two’ contract

    Mirage-IIIRP
    Inducted in: 1975
    Quantity: 10
    Tail Numbers: 204 to 213
    Acquired under ‘Blue Flash Three’ contract

    Mirage-5PA2
    Inducted in: 1979
    Quantity: 18
    Tail Numbers: 429 to 446

    Mirage-5PA3
    Inducted in: 1979
    Quantity: 12
    Tail Numbers: 447 to 458

    Mirage-5DPA2
    Inducted in: 1979
    Quantity: 2
    Tail Numbers: 306 to 307

    Mirage-IIIEA
    Inducted in: 1990
    Quantity: 10
    Ex-Royal Australian AF
    Cannibalized for spares

    Mirage-IIIEA
    Inducted in: 1990
    Quantity: 32
    Tail Numbers: 500 series
    Ex-Royal Australian AF
    Given ROSE-1 upgrade

    Mirage-IIIDA
    Inducted in: 1990
    Quantity: 8
    Tail Numbers: 800 series
    Ex-Royal Australian AF
    Seven aircraft were recovered and one cannibalized

    Mirage-5EF
    Inducted in: 1996
    Quantity: 19
    Tail Numbers: 700 series
    Ex-French Air Force
    Given ROSE-II upgrade

    Mirage-5EF
    Inducted in: 1996
    Quantity: 14
    Tail Numbers: 700 series
    Ex-French Air Force
    Being given ROSE-III upgrade (as of 2004)

    Mirage-5DF
    Inducted in: 1996
    Quantity: 6
    Tail Numbers: 700 series
    Ex-French Air Force

    Mirage-IIIEL
    Inducted in: 2000
    Quantity: 9
    Tail Numbers: 900 series
    Ex-Lebanese Air Force
    3/28/06
    Sarmad
    contd….
    Mirage-IIIDL
    Inducted in: 2000
    Quantity: 1
    Tail Number: -unknown-
    Ex-Lebanese Air Force

    Mirage-IIIEE/DE
    Inducted in: 2002-3
    Quantity: 13
    Ex-Spanish Air Force
    Cannibalized for spares

    Mirage-5EL
    Inducted in: 2004
    Quantity: 50
    Tail Numbers: -unknown-
    Ex-Libyan Air Force

    Note: Dual seaters are always the Mirage-III sub-type; the nomenclature 5DP etc is a sales gimmick, just to complete the Mirage-5 package! Fundamental airframe difference between Mirage-III & 5 is that the latter sub-type has 500 lbs more fuel and two fuselage stations more than the former. Rest are avionics differences that are utterly confusing for a non-Mirage pilot, so they can be spared.

    After the re-evaluation of Mirage-2000 in the early 90s, it was deduced that Mirage-2000 is a state of the art, deep strike fighter with BVR technology, but in turning dogfights at medium and low altitudes it was out-manoeuvred by an F-16A.
    Thus PAF decided to upgrade its existing Mirage fleets to the standards of a third generation strike fighter. PAF Mirages have an equivalent close combat capability which was of the early model Mirage-2000s i.e. the Griffo-M Radar and AIM-9L/Magic-2 combination.
    PAF Mirages are the only Mirages to carry BVR missiles [since all Mirage-3/5 users have replaced them with aircraft having same basic airframe but improved features, avionics and weapon system e.g. South African 'Cheetah', Israeli 'Kfir' and French 'Mirage-2000'], since instead of purchasing a replacement for Mirages PAF decided to upgrade its existing fleet to the third generation standards.
    PAF Mirage ROSE are better than IAF’s Floggers and Jaguars in air to air combat role since it has the edge in BVR technology, equivalent close combat capability and state of the art avionics [early Mirage-2000 standards] whereas it is equivalent in terms of strike.

    Even if pitted against MiG-21s, MiG-29s, Mirage-2000s and Su-30 MKIs, our Mirages have the capability to defend themselves while exiting the arena using their BVR and close combat techniques. In the case of MiG-21 Bison our Mirages can even give them a tough time in dogfights but it would not come near a MiG-29, Mirage-2000 and Su-30 in dogfights.

    PAF Mirages does not possess FBW and HMS technologies as well as thrust vectoring whereas the MiG-29, Mirage-2000 and Su-30s have these advantages.

    PAF’s JF-17 Thunder has the BVR, FBW and HMS technology and is a replacement for PAF Mirage fighters. PAF’s fourth generation fighter program is also seeking for an aircraft which has all the ingredients to counter the threat which is posed by the Su-30 MKI. Till the induction of these new aircraft PAF Mirage ROSE have plugged the gap for a dedicated strike aircraft.
    Sarmad. Irkut.

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    14 Responses to “PAF vs IAF-Defined by IAF”

    1. Dev Kant Bose says:

      Moin ansari saheb,

      You have convincingly demonstrated that Pakistan is more powerful than India. Dont you think it is high time Pak invaded India and liberate J&K?

      Dev Kant

    2. Moin Ansari says:

      Mr. Kant:

      Thank you for being a regular reader.

      Air Marshal Kanwar Dalinderjit Singh….said it all..I didn’t…

      Like this comment, most of your comments are a bit out in netherland…my derest brother did you take your medicine today?

      The article is not written by me. The title and the article clearly says that the assessment is by the IAF published in an Indian paper.

      Try to stay off the juice when you drive and write…

      SMILE! (kidding)

      Best Regards

      PS: Kashmir? You guys are doing a good job in pushing Kashmir away all by yourself…keep it up in Jammu…we are just waiting to see what explodes first…kashmir, Jammu, Naxalites, Assam, Nepal, Tamil Nadu, Mizuram?

    3. Dev Kant Bose says:

      Moin Ansari saheb,

      Any or all of those places may explode. But could it be that Baluchistan or Bajaur or Waziristan may explode first.

      Dev Kant

    4. Umar says:

      interesting………..

    5. Anjum Nisar Ahmed says:

      Mr. Dev Kant Bose, Moin Ansari,

      Assalam-o-Alikum.

      Sorry to say that we are the people of the sub-continent are the Longer Rivals.

      I just want to say that It all will be explode because Zionist & Israel’s Lobby are doing their hard and best to divide ASIA, Middle EAST and many countries to bring their Dreams come true of RULING THE WHOLE WORLD.

      Sorry to say that they are partially acheived their objective by just giving us the paper currency instead of Precious Metals (Gold, Silver or Bronze). They (Zionists) already hijacked our economic system by taking our Gold reserve and gave us a paper note which has no value in it.

      They will weak us economically as you see now a days in Pakistan and India their are lots of crisis rising. They just want WAR, WAR and only WAR.

      there are lot to say……

      Just Crush their Plans and try to save Gold as you can.

      Best Regards,

      Anjum Nisar Ahmed

    6. Dear Kent,
      i am sorry my english is not so good so i will request to use urdu instead,
      Brothers Kashmir ka masla asal main hay kiya ? jab Muslim of india nay Azadi mangi tu uss wat yee faisla huwa thaa k jo state jiss k sath jana chahein ghee ja saktee hain tu Hydarabad ,Juna garh aur Manwadar nay clearlly Pakistan jany ky papers hand over kiyee aur jaisa k har koyee janta hay in 3 states main indian nay invade kiya aur kabza karliya baad main jab Kashmir ka muaamla aya tu wahan kiuon k Pakistan ki sarhad miltee thee tu Mujahdeen nay wahan azadi ki jang shuroo ki aur sara northern area aur (majooda)Azad Kashmir tak azad karwa liyaa hatta k srinagr sirf 29 KM rah gaya thaa magar aap k Bapu ji Nahro sahib nay UN ka darwaza ja k bajaya k ji kashmir ka raja hamary saath milna chahta hay (koyee paper aaj tak na show huwa hay) uss waqat jab Pakistan nay kaha k theek hay aap kashmir lay lo aur ham ko Hydarabad,junagarh aur manwadar day doo tu uss waqat aap k Bapu ji ny kaha k ji bayshak in state nay Pakistan say milny ka kaha hay magar kiuon k ham JUMHURIYAT pasand hain aur awam yahan hindu ziyada hain so yee india kay sath he rahein ghee tu Pakistan nay kaha theek hay tu kashmir main Muslim ziyada hain uss ko hamin do tu Nahro sahib nay Abdullah ko agay kiya k ji yee kashmiree hain aur hamary saath rahna chahty hain jiss pay Pakistan nay kaha k ji iss ko tu ham POORY kashmir ka representative nahein manty tu uss waqat aap k Bapu nay kaha ji ham kishmiriuon say pooch layty hain k unhuon nay kiss k saath jana hay tu ji uss pay hi UN ka resulution pass huwa aur aaj tak aap nay wo wada jo aap he kay BAPU Ji nay kiya hay poora na kiya hay tu bhai ji plz apny SORAGBASHI BAPU KI BAAT KO PORA KAR DAIN YA TU AAP KASHMIR LAY LAIN AUR BAKI KI 3 STATE HAM KO DAIN YA PHIR kASHMIR PAY baat man lo, bhai sahib ham sab janty hain k Akhand Bharat ka khuwaab kabhi bhi nahein poora na hu sakta hay agar aap iss haqeeqat ko man lo tu iss sub contenent main aman aa jayee ghaa k agar yee aap ka khuwaab poora huna huta tu 71 main jab aap he k RAW nay plan kar ky east Pakistan ko alag kiya tu uss waqat HAMARY bangali bhai Bangladesh na banaty balky Bharat main wapass aajaty. plz jang tu koyee hall nahein hay magar aap ki Raw ab bluchistan aur waziristan main jo sazish kar rahee hay uss pay bayshak hamary hukmran chup rahain magr ham ko pata hay aur yaqeen rakhoo jiss din Allah na kary iss Pakistan ko kuch huwa tu rahy ghaa baki india bhi nahein. aao mill kay Kashmiruon say pooch k iss masly ko once 4 all hal kar k like good Brother mill kay rahain aur ik dojy kay dushman banny ki bajy Bhai ban k mil kay duniya main apna mukaam banayein warna yee sub contenent india ki histry batati hay k majooda Pakistan aur indian Punjab mila k jo alaqa banta hay woo baki k india ka kabhi bhi part na raha hay.
      ok dear umeed hay k aap apni hukumat ko samjhany main apna role ada karain ghay aur Kashmir ki problim ko iss ki asal surat main hal karwana pasand karain ghy ?
      karain ghy na ji ?

      thanks

      Tauqeer Ahmad

    7. Kumbhakaran65 says:

      Dev Kant Ji,

      Namaskar !

      Just a response to your advice to invade and retake J & K.

      1. Pakistan and India are bound by the Simla agreement to
      discuss and resolve the dispute over Kashmir bilaterally
      and peacefully.

      2. Tragically the dialogue has stopped. Further the Indian
      Parliament has resolved to ‘recover’ the Pakistan
      Occupied Kashmir ( by what means has not been
      specified ).
      With five times the military, industrial, and economic might verses Pakistan and fighting four wars over six decades the “recovery” by India as specified in item 2 above has till date not occurred.
      Being a weaker military power Pakistan has no desire to fight another war over Kashmir or any other issue. However the reason we separated from India remains and we would
      not like to be occupied and be forced to sing the Vande Mataram ,be denied our beef kababs, and salute the Modis and Bal Thakerays . Which is why we maintain a minimal defence. Nathu Ram Godse’s ashes can remain in his urn in the Karve Road temple in Pune. It will never be immersed into the Indus River when Akhand Bharat is constituted.

      Kumbhakaran65

      • rich05 says:

        dear kumbakaran,

        noone in inda wants akand bharat, that was an the dream perhaps of the last generation,

        this generation perhaps wants kashmir which is in pakistan, and next generation may not want that too,

        so nothing remains the same, things and aims change,

        now people of india are more after making money, and improving their lofestyle,

        librelisation has given us a chance, and noonw here wants to spoil it with another war, as it will be very harmful for us, economically

        Rgds

        Richie

    8. Archangel says:

      Pakistanis talk too much don’t they!!!!!!! I wonder how their uncut Beards similar to those found in goats don’t come their way……………….

      Newayzz……….. U people 4rm the other side of the border, please check the wikipedia for the comments on Su-30MKI by other Air Forces of the world. U shud also remember tht Indian Sukhois didn’t use their radars during thse exercises. Now, abt MIG-21 Bison…………….. they r flying coffins indeed………… V were thing of using thm in the Kamikaze squad if this situation evr arises, tht won’t happen in any day BTW………….. Now, knw wht ……… u boasted off saying that urs F-16 is bttr thn the stock……. let me tell u guyzz……. Boeing is offering us even better F-16s tht the ones being used by the USAF………. Now, wht do u have 2 say…………….. And abt China….. u don’t give a damn to those Chinkis……….. They won’t do the mistake of attacking us…………….. And u guyzz shud knw tht there r actually a lot of this going on inside tht u r nt aware of…………… For an instance…………. during the Kargil War of 1999, u were 2 be nuked by us with all our Warheads ready 2 attack………… U were saved only bcozz America intrvened and Obstructed………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sleep tight guyzz……. u don’t have much dayzz to sleep in ur house…….. v r going 2 kick u in2 hell in sum dayzz…..!!!!!!!11

    9. rajat says:

      Tauqeer Ahmad ji
      you talk in such a good way that i must say you are a good man but my dear brother dont you think there is no need of pakistan because india was never a muslim country you invaded it loted it many a times then you people made it your home its ok because you people where having nothing to eat in desert of arab no water , no crops so no food thus you people eat camels, goats and other animals this made you people cruel you killed animals without any kindness.
      sorry to go so deep in to history………………….. lets come to the point

      British india= india(hindu+muslims)+pakistan
      (muslims only)
      THE DIVISION IS NOT FAIR .Why we should give you a country because you are mad.The divison happend because you people started fighting as you always do so some people fighting where send to pakistan. Now you are saying to give you kasmir dont you feel guilty saying that.

      we always accepted you because we kind people dont fight for every thing or else it would result in
      india(hindu only)+pakistan
      (muslims only) then if you like you cane take kasmir any time it is no good for us.

      on IAF vs PAF
      1.india big county, big economy , big airforce
      2.you dont know the fact that the last time you used ur airforce against india was in 1971 from both east and west pakistan now you have only west pakistan.
      3.In 1971 you used U.S planes and now u think chines aircraft is better than U.S ones . Even a child knows the quality of chinese products dont fool yourself U.S is not giving you what you want and you have no money so you are going for cheap duplicate options.

    10. ZAIN says:

      Mr Dev Kant,
      Half of J&K is already been taken rest will fall atomatically soon followed by Khalistan Assam,Naga land,Mani pur Mazeram, and many more………….
      Good Luck

    11. Shahid Mahmood says:

      We Pakistanis have no need to use force to liberate Kashmir,as things naturally going to its logical end,1-Assam,Mesoram,Jharkhand,Meghalia,Tripura,Nagaland,Manipur,and MAOSISTS already controlling more than 40 districts of your so called india,when atleast eight seperate countries are about to emerge out of india than kashmir too gain independence,hope you under4stand now.

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