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Russia elides India in FGFA development:-completes Su PAK FA stealth fighter on its own (ships Flanker Su-30 as technology demostrator). India’s role in the FGFA development is minimal to none. The FGFA is not a true stealth aircraft it is it based on the Su030 which it is.
by Moin Ansari
NEW YORK, June 17th, 2008, Pakistan Ledger: According to the head of the The Indian Air force, the IAF is in poor shape. Indian Airforce crying wolf? or facing shortage of jets? The planes that the IAF has are called flying coffins by the Indian press, the planes it wants to develop are failures, and the planes that it wants to purchase will be sent in ready-to-make-boxes next year. The IAF has huge plans to spend $10 Billion for 126 on aircraft. If and when that materializes is subject to much discussion. The facts on the ground tell us that India’s role in the development of the Sukhoi role is miniscule. How could tow air forces develop a brand new plane in 1.5 years (October 2007-Jan 2009)?
“unless immediate steps are taken to arrest the reduction in IAF’s force levels, the nation will, for the first time in its history, lose the conventional military edge over Pakistan”. The previous IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi warned the UPA government.
Is the so called FGFA a SU-30 by another name? At least the “technology demonstrator” surely is the Su-30. What technology does the Su-30 demonstrate?
The fighter plane will havea so-called swept-forward wing—which increases an aircraft’s agility and gives it the stealth feature to reduce risk of detection by radar. The (technology demonstrator) aircraft being built by Sukhoi will use the engines, systems and avionics of the previous generation Su-30 plane.
“If something is going to come in one year, where could we have participation?” asked former air chief marshal S. Krishnaswamy. “That actually has a negative impact onour own R&D people and laboratories.”
Another former Indian Air Force (IAF) official, air marshal B.K. Pandey, said, “If the prototype is already decided, there is nothing original that Indian aerospace industry can contribute to the programme.” Hindustan Times. India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST,
What technology can the Tejas offer. It has been in the design phase for 20 years and has yet to fly. They are still struggling about which engine to use on the Tejas. The failure is not limited to aircraft development, there is a trend here. Indian missle failures. Scrap the program?
A person familiar with the programme’s development said India would bring in its expertise in carbon-composite technology used in HAL’s Dhruv advanced light helicopter and Tejas light combat aircraft, both of which are homegrown programmes. Hindustan Times. India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST,
The declining Indo-Russian relationship. Delhi scrambles for new arms sources but they come with strings. India and Russia signed an agreement in October 2007 for the so called joint development of the Sukhoi 30 fighter. The first flight is scheduled for 2009. The Russians have already decided on the design of the plane and are moving full speed ahead with its development. The tag-along Hindustan Avionics will probably be handed over a kit in 2009 to claim that it has actually participated in the development of the aircraft. Technically the joint development is accurate. HAL has funded part of the $4 billion in development cost. A spokesman derisively joked about it saying “actually the Indian “innovation” is pretty much limited to designing new tri colored Indian flag designs on Russian planes and placing the decals on the right spots.”
India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST,
Price, investment for fighter jet still being discussed; design specs have been decided, first flight slated for 2009 by K. Raghu
Bangalore: India is yet to begin work on a futuristic technology demonstrator plane, a single-seat, fifth-generation fighter it is jointly developing with Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau, that will take to the skies for the first time in 2009.
Some analysts are questioning the contribution of Indian aerospace research and development (R&D) engineers to the programme, given that the aircraft’s design specifications have already been decided and the first flight is set for next year.
Futuristic technology:The Sukhoi 30, part of the Indian Air Force fighter jet fleet, on display at the Aero India 2007 air show in Bangalore. India and Russia are working jointly on its advanced variant. (Photo: Abhijit Bhatlekar/Bloomberg)
In October, India and Russia signed an agreement for the joint development and production of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, making a commitment to sharing resources and work equally. A team of officials from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, or HAL, the country’s military plane maker, was in Moscow in late May for discussions on the estimated $4 billion, or Rs17,160 crore, project.
“We are (still) talking about the price and investment costs,” said one person familiar with the development who did not want to be named because of the sensitive nature of the project. “(Also) the more we delay, the less work we will get. That is a fact.”
The fighter plane will havea so-called swept-forward wing—which increases an aircraft’s agility and gives it the stealth feature to reduce risk of detection by radar. The (technology demonstrator) aircraft being built by Sukhoi will use the engines, systems and avionics of the previous generation Su-30 plane. India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST,
Thus far, India has received 60 jets out of the total of 230 aircraft contracted from Russia at a cost of $8.5 billion. As many as 140 of the jets would be produced in India under licence by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The government has directed HAL to complete the project by 2013-2014, in view of a shortage of fighter squadrons.
The number of fighter squadrons in India is down to 32 from the “sanctioned” strength of 39. The Indian Air Force is also facing “poor serviceability” of its fleets consisting of MiG-21, MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft.
India has history of failed aircraft design and production. the LCA was a colossal failure and the Tejas engine is a fiasco unparalleled in world avionics history. “Then, of course, there is the indigenous ‘Tejas’ Light Combat Aircraft programme, which was launched in 1983 to replace the ageing MiGs. But it’s running years behind schedule, with the first squadron likely to be inducted only by 2011-2012 now” (Hindustan Times). Some are averse to calling it a failure, but 25 years for developing a plane is a development cycle that most analysts consider a bit too long–especially when there is nothing to show for it. Indian missile production was also something that has a huge “F” written on it. Trail of tears and failure: Indian missiles.
In actuality the Sukhoi 30 is a modified version of the Su 27 already shipped in kits to China (http://rupeenews.com/2008/05/22/russian-arms-made-in-china/). China purchased kits to assemble 200 Su-27SK Russian fighters. After assembling 105 planes, China canceled the deal. Many believe that China is manufacturing a fighter that is in effect a replica of the Russian Sukhoi SU-27. Another example is: Chinese H-8 Stealth bomber.
After receiving several dozen of the SU-27 kits, China halted the imports and then launched its own version of the Su 27 and has dramatically improved the next two versions the J-10 and the J-11. It has already sold the J-10 and according to news reports China has already sold the J-11s to Pakistan. Additionally moves were underway to produce the next generation of JF-17 Thunders patterned on the J-11 (comparable to the Su 27s). China is currently developing stealth fighters like J-11 and J-13 (which is based on the J-10). The J-13 is he Su-30 and the J-xx is the J-33/J-35. Chinese J-11s. China exporting Y-89 AWAC technology to Pakistan
Pakistanis JF-17 thunder is up for a major redesign in 2009-2012 with a new engine. In actuality the work has already been done and is going on right now. The new engine will also provide China and Pakistan with advantage and will enable JF-17 to compete directly with the Russian MIG-29OVT.
Air Forces in South Asia: PAF counters IAF strategy. It took Pakistan and China almost a decade to talk about it and four years of actual development time to design and build the JF-17 Thunder. Pakistan provided detailed design specifications based on its four decades of unique experience with the Sabre F-86s, F-104s, and F-16s. These specification combined with the actual F-16s, the Dollars and the Chinese aeronautical experience in building Migs formed the basis of the new plane. It was a true joint development because the Chinese needed the specs from a Western perspective which they did not have, and Pakistan provided not only the experience and the knowledge from the Western Technology perspective but also funded half the seed money for the program. After four years of intensive testing the JF-17 thunder was created out of the basic design of the FC-1. On top of this Pakistan had experience and knowledge in reverse engineering the latest electronics and avionics. Beyond the Pakistani made JF-17 Thunder Fighter Plane, Chinese made J-10s. When will PAF acquire the J-11s.
Now, the efforts in China and Pakistan are underway to move to the air-forces to the latest planes like SU-27K which is now called SU-33.
What about the SU-35? The original Su-35 was a derivative of the Su-27 and essentially a ground-based variant of the Su-33. While the official Russian Air Force designation for the aircraft remained the Su-27M, Sukhoi rechristened the model as the Su-35 in the hopes of attracting foreign customers. The Brazilians wanted to produce it but in the end opted for the Mirage IIIs.
The Brazilian decision appeared to have ended the Su-35 program once and for all since Sukhoi had little success finding other customers. Hopes were briefly revived in May 2006 when Venezuela announced interest in the Su-35, but the nation instead chose a variant of the Su-30. The move is largely politically-motivated given recent tensions between Venezuela and the United States over America’s ban on providing support for the Venezuelan F-16 fleet. the Su-35 was revived at least in name in 2007 when Sukhoi announced the aircraft had entered production for the Russian Air Force. This incarnation is also a derivative of the Su-27
A derivative of the Su-27 ‘Flanker’, the Su-37 is a super-maneuverable thrust vectoring fighter. Designed from an Su-35 prototype, the Su-37 test aircraft (designated T10M-11) made its maiden flight in April 1996 from the Zhukovsky flight testing center near Moscow. The Su-37 is first Russian aircraft to feature thrust vectoring control comparable to the F-22 Raptor. (www.globalaircraft.org/planes/su-37_flanker.pl)
“If something is going to come in one year, where could we have participation?” asked former air chief marshal S. Krishnaswamy. “That actually has a negative impact onour own R&D people and laboratories.”
Another former Indian Air Force (IAF) official, air marshal B.K. Pandey, said, “If the prototype is already decided, there is nothing original that Indian aerospace industry can contribute to the programme.”
A person familiar with the programme’s development said India would bring in its expertise in carbon-composite technology used in HAL’s Dhruv advanced light helicopter and Tejas light combat aircraft, both of which are homegrown programmes.
Russian, Indian firms will make an equal number of planes during the development phase
Once the technology demonstrator flies next year, Russia will work on developing more than six two-seater prototypes of the stealth fighter. Indian engineers will contribute to the design of the front fuselage, build composites for better stealth features and work on avionics.
“Once the front fuselage undergoes a change (to accommodate two pilots instead of one as in the technology demonstrator), the aircraft lift conditions will change, wings will change. This is where our learning will become useful,” said the person familiar with the development.
The new aircraft would be nearly a third lighter than the Su-30 and be able to fly longer than conventional fighters, besides possessing the stealth features. The aircraft is expected to be ready for induction in the Indian and Russian air forces by 2018.
HAL has in the past produced, under licence, Russian aircraft such as the MiG 21, which forms the bulk of the IAF’s strike fighter fleet. IAF also has in its inventory the Su-30 MkI, the India variant of the fourth-generation Russian fighter with avionics built by an India-led team which HAL will make under licence in the country.
The new Indo-Russian fighter is being designed to carry weapons in its fuselage, making it similar to the Joint Strike Fighter of the US.
While the components and systems would be built equally at the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aircraft Production Association in Russia and HAL facilities in India, the engines would be made at a factory of NPO Saturn, the Russian engine maker. Both plane makers would build an equal number of aircraft during the development phase.
“Why did Russia want India to join (the programme)? Because they want money, they want (the) market,” said Pandey, a former head of IAF’s training command in Bangalore. “If we can get transfer of technology, HAL (will be) assembling the aircraft, then IAF has to buy the planes. So, they have an assured market”.
A majority of the planes in the IAF’s fleet are of Russian origin, with the rest from the UK and France. Although indigenous military plane programmes have been undertaken by the Defence Research and Development Organisation, or DRDO, and HAL, the Armed Forces remain dependent on imports.
India has floated a global tender to buy 126 multi-role combat aircraft that could cost a minimum of Rs42,000 crore, evoking the interest of aerospace companies such as Lockeed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co. of the US. It also plans to buy nearly 250 light- and medium-weight helicopters.
The Tejas fighter, conceived as a replacement for the ageing Russian-built MiG 21, is at least two years behind certification as it needs to achieve the so-called air staff requirements, or ASR, the standards set by IAF before induction. The military plane unit of Boeing has been asked to assist the Aeronautical Development Agency in certification of the LCA by 2010.
DRDO is now scouting for a foreign partner to build an engine for the Tejas fighter, after its unit Gas Turbine and Research Establishment failed to deliver the Kaveri engine even after nearly two decades of development. India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST,
Beyond Pakistani made JF-17 Thunders & Chinese made J-10s: When will the PAF acquire and manufacture the J-11s (as the JF-18)? (http://rupeenews.com/2008/02/24/beyond-pakistani-made-jf-17-thunders-chinese-made-j-10s-will-paf-acquire-j-11s/) Officially the JF-Thunder will be upgraded in 2012. Then the possibility of upgrading the Chinese engine used in the J-10 may be considered. The engine upgrade may be a two step process. First the upgrade to Chinese WS-13 and then perhaps an upgrade to the J-10 engine. Concurrently Pakistan has a parallel program for another jet to be revealed in 2012. Pakistan has acquired F-16 block 52 (the latest F-16s are block 60 flown by the UAE Airforce). By 2012 Pakistan will be producing the avionics indigenously. However newer technologies are already being purchased from Italy, France and Germany. Chinese J-11s for Pakistan?
Janes Defense weekly reports that Pakistan is in the process of acquiring the latest air-to-air missiles from France’s MBDA and radars from Thales.
Chinese technology exports to Pakistan: JF-17 Thunder, J-10s, J-11s. Pakistan has a twin track strategy on the JF-17 thunder, incremental improvement and revolutionary redesign. The JF-17 thunder redesign or possibly for for a new plane altogether in 2009 when the design of the F-16 Block 50 and the Su-33/35 designs will be basis of the new plane, the work on which is already underway.
The bottom line is that Pakistan and China are already working on the design and production for the Su-30, Su-35 which will be produced before 2010 about the time when India will be receiving kits of the (FGFA) Su-30 to assemble. The Pakistani-Chinese planes will have the latest avionics that money can buy and be generation ahead of the competition.
Russia has not waited for the Indian HAL to get in shape. The Russian aircraft manufacturers have move way beyond the Su-30 which it is supposedly “developing” jointly with India. Russia has already produced the Su 33, and he Su-35. Russian weapons expert Konstantin Makiyenko argues that Russia should react by sharply raising the technological standards of weapons to be offered to China.
“In the segment of air force armaments, it might be the Russian multirole fighter Su-35 fitted with avionics close to fifth-generation standards, an Irbis-E radar and 117S engines. In the naval armaments segment, it may be Project 677E non-nuclear submarines and individual elements that may be used by the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in implementing the aircraft carrier construction program,” Makiyenko said.
A heavily upgraded deck-based fighter that is a modified Su-33 could be the main element, he said.
Appendix A: The Russian Stelath Fighter
The Sukhoi PAK FA (or PAK-FA) is a fifth-generation fighter which is being developed by Russia. PAK FAstands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации in Russian) which roughly means Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter. It is being developed by a consortium of companies spearheaded by Sukhoi OKB. Sukhoi’s internal project codename is T-50. The PAK FA is intended to replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker in the Russian Air Force. It is scheduled to have its first flight in 2009 and enter service with the Russian Air Force subsequently. It is designed to be comparable to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.
The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, super maneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut’s test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.
In early 2002 Sukhoi was chosen as prime contractor for the planned Russian fifth-generation fighter is called the PAK FA [ Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces]. This intermediate class twin-engined fighter will be larger than a MiG-29 and smaller than a Su-27. The new fighter is intended to be about the same size as the US F-35 JSF, with a primary air superiority mission and ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary missions.
The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, supermaneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut’s test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.
The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.
The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.
The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 – 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars. And finally, desi gners will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.
State financing will cover not more than 20-22 percent of the cost of the development of the PAK FA. It will thus be nece ssary to draw extra budgetary sources of funding, lending the development program a principle of openness for international cooperation. In the opinion of experts, export income, if it is taken from the plants, can provide not more than 1 billion dollars. It is maintained that the insufficient amounts can be received from foreign partners.
The plane’s development will be conducted with a view of achieving a reasonable compromise between its cost and com bat efficiency, and take into account the market demand. exports sales of the new warplane must reach 500 to 600 fighters at a price of $35 to $40 million each to make production of the new aircraft profitable.
According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entry into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.
There is little chance that Russia will have fifth-generation pursuit planes of its own. Development and constr uction of a fifth-generation fighter would require about $20 billion dollars, and as of early 2004 it was unlikely that the government will appropriate financing of this scale. “The problem is that economic and military authorities in this country live in parallel spaces and have no comm on approach to problems,” according to Deputy Director of the analytical department of the Political and Military Analysis Institute Alexander Khramchikhin.
General characteristics
* Crew: 1 (pilot)
* Length: 22.0 m (72 ft 2 in)
* Wingspan: 14.2 m (46 ft 7 in)
* Height: 6.05 m (19 ft 10 in)
* Wing area: 78.8 m² (848 ft²)
* Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,786 lb)
* Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
* Useful load: 7,500 kg (16,535 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,571 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Saturn-Lyulka AL-41F turbofan
o Dry thrust: 9,800 kgf (21,605 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 15,500 kgf (34,172 lbf) each
Performance
* Maximum speed: Mach 2.5 at altitude (2,527 km/h, 1,586 mph)
* g-limits: +10 to +11 g (+98.1 to +107.9 m/s², +321.7 to +353.9 ft/s²)
* Cruise speed: 1,300 km/h (807.8 mph)
* Ferry range: 4,000 to 5,500 km (2,485 to 3,418 mi)
* Service ceiling 20,000 m (65,617 ft)
* Rate of climb: 350 m/s (68,898 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 470 kg/m² (96.3 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.84 (dry thrust)
* Minimum thrust/weight:
o With afterburner: 1.19
* Runway length requirement: 350 m (1,148 ft)
* Endurance: 3.3 hrs (198 mins)
Armament
- Guns: 2× 30 mm internal cannon
- Hardpoints: 8 total, 4 on each side of the aircraft
Avionics
* Radar:BRLS AFAR/AESA radar
* Frequency: 3 mm (0.118 in)
* Diameter: 0.7 m (2 ft 4 in)
* Targets: 32 tracked, 8 engaged
* Range: 400 km (248 mi)
o EPR: 3 m² (32.3 ft²): 160 km (99.4 mi)
o Azimuth: +/-70°, +90/-50°
* Power: 4,000 W
* Weight: 65 to 80 kg (143 to 176 lb) Defence Aviation dot com
Appendix B: The joint production between India and Russia
Sukhoi/HAL FGFA a Indian Stealth Fighter
The Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) being jointly developed by India and Russia will look substantially different for the two countries. While the Russian version will be a single-pilot fighter, the Indian variant will have a twin-seat configuration based on its operational doctrine which calls for greater radius of combat operations. The program is initiated to develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft to fill a role similar to that of Lockheed Martin’s F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II, the world’s first fifth-generation fighter jets.
“The Indian FGFA is significantly different from the Russian aircraft because a second pilot means the addition of another dimension, development of wings and control surfaces,” said Ashok Baweja, chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), which is developing the aircraft along with Russia’s Sukhoi design bureau.
Speaking to media persons at the eighth Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC), Baweja said that both sides had moved closer towards identifying the key areas of participation in the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft Programme (FGFA) for which both countries had signed a joint agreement in 2007. India would bring into play its expertise in composites, lightweight high-strength materials that significantly bring down the weight of an aeronautical platform.
The Russian aircraft is thus called because it is a successor to virtually every fourth and 4.5 generation fighter aircraft like the MiG-29 and Su-30 MKI in the inventories of both countries. It has been dubbed the ‘Raptorski’ for its similarity to the US F-22 Raptor that entered squadron service on December 2005.
The first prototype of the Sukhoi Design Bureau’s PAK-FA ‘T-50′ fighter aircraft is set to fly in Russia next year. “We are in the process of defining what part of the contract to give to the Indian production agencies,” said Alexey Fedorov, president of the United Aircraft Corporation, the umbrella organization of Russian fixed-wing aircraft manufacturers. Fedorov said that the process of identifying the participation of Indian partners in the FGFA would be completed by the year-end or in the shortest possible time.
According to Baweja, it features stealth, or a drastic reduction in the aircraft’s radar cross-section or ’signature’, and the ability to ’super cruise’ or jet engines that fly stealthily without engaging noisy afterburners even at supersonic speeds, embedded weapons with the capability to engage multiple ground, sea and air targets and seamless communication between the fighter, other aircraft and ground stations. Baweja said that the first prototype of the FGFA was to fly next year with the AL-37FU engine. He said he would want an engine that had 15 to 20 per cent more growth than this engine in the final aircraft configuration. The FGFA is to enter squadron service by 2015 and will replace at least three classes of aircraft in the IAF.
The joint-venture borrows heavily from the success of the Brahmos project but seems fated to repeat its story. By the 1990s, Russia, the world’s only operator of supersonic surface-to-surface missiles, had already perfected the Yakhont missile but lacked the funds to pursue its development. Indian stepped in with the finance in 1998 and the missile was re-launched as the Brahmos.
Designs for the PAK-FA have already been frozen by the Sukhoi design bureau, which means that Indian aircraft engineers have already missed out on the critical knowledge curve of aircraft design. Also, the unequal status of the Indian and Russian aviation industries means India will be the junior partner contributing very little except finance. “So if we have missed out on the design phase, we have to analyze the cost-benefits of acquiring only super cruise and stealth technology for $ 10 billion,” asks Air Vice Marshal Kak.
Decks were cleared for India to jointly develop and produce the fifth generation fighter aircraft with Russia, with New Delhi making the “final choice” on the matter and Moscow saying the work on signing contracts on the deal could begin soon. Observing that Russia had started developing the warplane about three years ago, visiting Deputy Premier and Defence Minister Sergei B Ivanov said “some time back, India showed interest in joining this project. It took them (India) some time to scrutinize the various options. “Now, India has informed us that a final choice has been made. We can (now) open up contractual work for Indian accession to the project,” Ivanov told reporters at a joint press conference with his Indian counterpart A K Antony, after signing four documents. Although interaction has begun on the joint development and production of fifth generation fighter jet, the actual signing of agreements could take some more time.The two sides inked an inter-governmental agreement and a general contract for licensed production of the AL-37FU engines.The fifth generation fighter is based on the Sukhoi fighter and is expected to take its maiden flight in 2012 and inducted by 2015. Defence Aviation dot com
Appendix C: Su fighters on the Pakistan border
India to deploy Sukhoi-30 jets on Pakistan border
* Also planning to deploy Sukhois on its north-eastern front with China
NEW DELHI: India has planned to progressively deploy its advanced Sukhoi-30MKI fighter aircraft along its western border with Pakistan, the Times of India reported on Sunday.
According to the daily, the Indian Air Force has planned to deploy its most potent fighter jets to counter threats from Pakistan, which is in the process of obtaining F-16 aircraft from the United States and JF-17 Thunder jets from China. It has also planned to station aircraft at several bases on its north-eastern front with China.
Presently, India has positioned its Sukhois only at Pune, Jodhpur and Bareilly. They are also operated from the airbases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and Halwara.
India is expected to get fresh deliveries of the aircraft soon. The newspaper reported that the process to identify important airbases to station more squadrons was also underway.
Thus far, India has received 60 jets out of the total of 230 aircraft contracted from Russia at a cost of $8.5 billion. As many as 140 of the jets would be produced in India under licence by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The government has directed HAL to complete the project by 2013-2014, in view of a shortage of fighter squadrons.
The number of fighter squadrons in India is down to 32 from the “sanctioned” strength of 39. The Indian Air Force is also facing “poor serviceability” of its fleets consisting of MiG-21, MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft.
The newspaper quoted Western Air Command (WAC) chief Air Marshal PK Barbora as saying, “Our assets have to be distributed all over the country in line with our operational thinking. After the east, the planning is to base Sukhois in our area of responsibility.”
As many as 18 important airbases, including Srinagar, Leh, Thosie, Awantipur, Ambala, Amritsar, Halwara and Nal are under the control of the WAC. However, several of them require new squadrons to maintain their operational readiness. The Halwara airbase houses the old and accident-prone MiG-23s, which are being phased out. app
APPENDIX A
The su-37 again ( All-Weather Fighter Aircraft, Russia )
The Su-37 multi-role, all-weather fighter aircraft demonstrator is the latest member of a family of aircraft based on the Su-27, which was developed in 1977 by the Sukhoi Experimental Design Bureau in Moscow and is in service with the Russian Air Force and a number of other countries. This family also includes the Su-27UB, Su-30, Su-33, Su-32FN and Su-35, and has the NATO codename Flanker.
The new feature of the super-manoeuvrable Su-37 fighter is the two-dimensional thrust vector control engines, which allow the aircraft to recover from spins and stalls at almost any altitude, while it is also equipped with full digital fly-by-wire controls.
The first flight of the Su-37 prototype was in April 1996, with a public appearance at the Mosaero show. This was followed by a demonstration flight at the Farnborough Í96 Airshow. The aircraft demonstrated new manoeuvres, such as the ability to point the nose away from direction of flight for sustained periods, rotating the nose through 360 degrees and recovering from tail slide by rolling into an entirely different plane. State funding for the aircraft was withdrawn for a time, but it was restored in 1999 and Su-37 is undergoing flight testing.
COCKPIT
The cockpit is fitted with four liquid crystal displays for tactical and navigation data, onboard system monitors, and operating conditions control panel. The pilot has a side short-travel control stick instead of a central stick, an avionics control handle and strain-gauging (pressure-to-throttle) engine thrust controls. Avionics for the aircraft will be produced by Kronstadt, St Petersburg.
WEAPONS
The Su-37 can carry up to 14 air-to-air missiles and up to 8000kg of ordnance. The twelve external hardpoints can carry air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, bombs, rockets and an ECM (electronic countermeasures) pod. The aircraft is fitted with one GSh-301 30mm gun with a maximum rate of fire of 1,500 rounds per minute.
The aircraft can be equipped with Vympel R-73E short-range air-to-air missiles with infrared terminal homing and RVV-AE long-range air-to-air missiles with active radar guidance. R-73E (NATO codename AA-11 Archer) is an all-aspect, close-combat missile capable of engaging targets in tail-chase or head-on mode at altitudes between 0.02 and 20km, and target g-load to 12g. The Vympel RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) air-to-air missile, also known as the RR-77, can intercept targets at speeds up to 3,600kph and altitudes from 0.02 to 25km.
The Su-37 can be fitted with air-to-surface missiles such as the Kh-25 (AS-12 Kegler) short-range missile and Kh-29 (AS-14 Kedge) with a 317kg penetrating warhead.
SENSORS
The aircraft is fitted with a multifunction, forward-looking, NO-11M pulse Doppler phased array radar, which can track up to 15 targets simultaneously and provide target designation and guidance to air-to-air missiles. NO-11M is manufactured by NIIP, the Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design. There is also a rear-looking NIIP NO-12 radar and optronic fire-control and surveillance system.
There are also systems for terrain-following and terrain-avoidance, mapping and multichannel employment of guided weapons.
ENGINES
The Su-37 is powered by two AL-31FU TVC (thrust vector control) turbofan engines. This engine was developed by the Lyulka Engine Design Bureau (NPO Saturn) and is a derivative of the AL-31F twin-shaft turbofan engine on the Su-27. The modular design includes a four-stage, low-pressure (LP) compressor, nine-stage, high-pressure (HP) compressor, annular combustion chamber and single-stage LP and HP turbines, afterburner and mixer. Each engine provides 83.36kN thrust and 142kN with the afterburner and is steerable from 15 to +15 degrees along the vertical plane.
The thrust vector control is fully integrated into the digital flight control system. The TVC nozzle can be deflected both synchronously and differentially, depending on manoeuvre. The nozzle is connected to the annular swivel and can be moved in the pitch plane by two pairs of hydraulic jacks. The thrust vector control allows manoeuvres at speeds nearing zero without angle-of-attack limitations. The vectoring controls can be operated manually by the pilot or automatically by the flight control system.
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ASALAM-O-ALIKUM MOIN BHAI
I am very regular reader of your articles i dun thnk i have missed even a single one regarding to defence sir i have red all of these articles i know china has made j-11’s from su-27 and in near future it will also make a domestic copy of su-30/35 or similar aircrafts like them my question is not that china is making them or not my question is that is their anyrole of PAKISTAN in making of these su-30/35 likye planes with china because u have mentioned in this article
of yours
“The bottom line is that Pakistan and China are already working on the design and production for the Su-30, Su-35 which will be produced before 2010″
these are the copy paste lines from your very this article ………i want to know wat did it mean coz CHINA AND PAKISTAN had onlyn worked togather on jf-17 and i have red from various chinese sources that all the aircrafts of CHINA under development ita may be J-XX ,J-13, SUPER-10 OR SU-30/35 IS SINGLE HANDEDLY MADE BY CHINA THERE IS NO SOURCE WHICH SAYS THAT PAK IS WORKING WTH CHINA TO MAKE A FIFTH GENERATION AIRCRAFT SU-30/35 OR LIKE THEM.CAN U PLEASE CLEAR IT
Everthing does not have to be announced! Most of the defense agreements with China are secret.
ASLAM-O-ALIKUM MOIN BHAI fiorstly i wana say dun mind bt y didnt u give the ans of SALAM being a muslim its ur duty …
secondly u mentioned that CHINA and PAK are developing su-30 which will be manufactured before 2010 my question is how cant PAK and CHINA do ths coz su-30 is a Russian aircraft of flanker family
اچھا بھاي غلطي معف
W-A-S: سلام
http://www.zimbio.com/Fighter+aircraft/articles/37/China+crosses+threshold+Military+Technology
Cooldevil: Please read our article “Russian arms ‘Made in China’ ” that describes what China is doing to the Su 27s and Su 30s۔
http://rupeenews.com/2008/05/22/russian-arms-made-in-china/
http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/09/russian-5th-gen-su-35-spinoff-of-su-27-made-in-china-as-j-11/
In actuality the Sukhoi 30 is a modified version of the Su 27 already shipped in kits to China (http://rupeenews.com/2008/05/22/russian-arms-made-in-china/). China purchased kits to assemble 200 Su-27SK Russian fighters. After assembling 105 planes, China canceled the deal. Many believe that China is manufacturing a fighter that is in effect a replica of the Russian Sukhoi SU-27. Another example is: Chinese H-8 Stealth bomber.
After receiving several dozen of the SU-27 kits, China halted the imports and then launched its own version of the Su 27 and has dramatically improved the next two versions the J-10 and the J-11. It has already sold the J-10 and according to news reports China has already sold the J-11s to Pakistan. Additionally moves were underway to produce the next generation of JF-17 Thunders patterned on the J-11 (comparable to the Su 27s). China is currently developing stealth fighters like J-11 and J-13 (which is based on the J-10). The J-13 is he Su-30 and the J-xx is the J-33/J-35. Chinese J-11s. China exporting Y-89 AWAC technology to Pakistan
http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/09/russian-5th-gen-su-35-spinoff-of-su-27-made-in-china-as-j-11/
http://rupeenews.com/2008/06/19/russia-ignores-india-in-flanker-su-30-development/
Cooldevil–please read the above articles to understand what is going on in the aviation history.
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وسلام
thx MOIN BHAI so u wana say that j-11 are in PAKISTAN but PAKISTAN are not showing it to world or media coz they dun wana expose….m i ryt?
ASLAM-O-ALIKUM MOIN BHAI, i have some doubt abt what u have mentioned that according to some news china has sell j-0 to pak and also china has sell j-11 to pak ….j-10 selling is confirmed coz PAK is getting 36 j-10 but i dun thnk j-11 are sold to PAK coz it is not mentioned anywhere dat CHINA HAS SELL J-11 TO PAK and i never red it from any source can u confirm it
Cool Devil:
When the original article was written Rupee News splashed the “breaking news” that Pakistan had canceled the F-16s in order to purchase the J-10s to President Musharraf.
It is not a simple sale. The J-10 with their new Chinese engines are now being used to further develop the JF-17 Thunders and bring the latest technology into the JF-17 Thunders. Additionally there is speculation that the J-11s are on site in Pakistan but this is Pakistan’s secret weapon and this has not been publicly announced. Both the J-10 and the J-11 will be produced in Pakistan either as an enhancement to the JF-17 Thunder or the “JF-18 Thunders”.
We have been tracking all developments on the Migs and the SUs in much detail on this site. Please keep tracking the articles as many are updated per new news.
Bharat did not attack Pakistan this December because the Bharati Army was scared that it would cede territory, and the Air Force was not very confident that it could secure the skies for Bharat, specially because of the Shaheen and Baub missiles which would eliminate 50 of the Western Bharati bases within a few seconds of the “surgical strike”.
In fact in response to the Bharati “Cold Start” strategy developed for Bharat by Steven Cohen, Pakistan has a “Hot Start Strategy” which bombs the home bombs the home bases of the aircraft that try to do a surgical strike. The missiles are all armed and ready. IF a surgical strike is called the home bases in Halwara, Adampur, Jamnagar etc, will be eliminated, and the Bharati planes will have to land in “fields” not their home bases.
The “Hot Start Strategy” calls for retaliation on the basis of origin of the planes that attack Pakistan
U guys are really pathetic always day dreaming about things tat will never happen.no matter what ever u do, india will be ahead of you and your technology..see one thing u ppl take advantage is India is not ready for war.if pushed for war,ter will be heavy loss in economy for us but for u ppl ter will be no economy (as if it was ter)total collapse,Apart from US aid u have nothing of your own..so simply dont try poking hands in india you will be left handless..
Editors note: Hamid is from Bharat and has used many different names on this site. People who do that have no credibility
Pakistani’s will know how much technology, high-tech weapons (missiles, war-planes) they possess only when the war happens.
They think that post 1971 war they made leap advances and can compete with India, But the truth will be know with in 5-7 days once the war is declared.
FYI- There are 116-120 Su-30 MKI planes in operational readyness to take of in 30 mins of go-ahead from Indian Government.
Moreover- The strength of Indian IAF and Nuclear weapons and Navy is not known to the world as its completely kept under cover.
Lets see what happens, see the pragmatic results.
Wow!! Congratulation Moin Sahab , What a tit for tat reply . Your comments seem to me like our JF 17 thunder has destroyed IAF.
JazakAllah
Haji Muhammad
Yes Neel, you are absolutley right
It must be a conspiracy of global proportions reaching into the highest corridors of the Indian government, and all major news sources (Including Indian ones).
Behold the great Pakistani propganda tools which reported this —–the Hindustan Times, The Hindu, CNN and the International Herlad Tribune and Janes Weekly.
…and yes please dont forget that other Rupee News Pakistani agent…The previous IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi…
The previous IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi, in fact, had even warned the UPA government that “unless immediate steps are taken to arrest the reduction in IAF’s force levels, the nation will, for the first time in its history, lose the conventional military edge over Pakistan”. The Hindu
Either Rupee News controls all these or Neel you are delusional and can’t handle criticism.
Yup you are right “so many factual errors” were mentioned but only two “errors” were listed.
Let us examine the errors listed.
1) Please see the Hindustan Times reporting the story about India and the Su-30 (India’s role in Sukhoi project questioned, Posted: Tue, Jun 17 2008. 11:54 PM IST, Price, investment for fighter jet still being discussed; design specs have been decided, first flight slated for 2009 by K. Raghu). Your claim that Su-30 was only a “modification” is not shared by the Hindustan Times author or most analystis. The Su-30 was originally supposed to be indigenously produced by India. This is exactly what the article claims. Becuase Russia being flush with Petro Dollars, it no longer needs or wants Indian advice on the Su-30. Russia already has moved beyond Su-30 to Su 33 and Su 35.
2) Let us look at the other error listed. Rupee News listed that LCA was a colossal failure. You said that India is now outsourcing the radar, the engine and the frame of the aircraft.
The original LCA charter called for an indigenously produced plane with an Indian Engine called the Tejas.
According to the Hindustan Times the LCA was started before 1983. Even a revamped Indian paint and decal industry could not produce the desired results in New Delhi. It has now been 25 years and there is no product. This would classify as a colossal failure in our books.
Shoot the messenger mentlaity. Now some bozo will come along with all sorts of claims against Rupee News.
Thank you for your feedback.
Jaidev, don’t worry about factual errors in the article, because this blog is dedicated to anti India propaganda, to mislead the Paki population.
Oh yes, China is the ultimate tech. marvel of 21st century ( by borrowing and stealing even the basic tech ? ), and pakistan is the tech. superpower of south Asia ( with Chinese providing the high tech ? ).
Good luck Pakistan and China !
There are so many factual errors in this article.
Regarding the PAKFA project, Indian role in it is only for customization like Su-30MKI and partially funding the project. Since, Russia is cash rich with petro-dollars, its no longer dependent on Indian funding for its military non-WMD R&D. PAKFA fighter will fill the gap until MCA fighter joins IAF.
Tejas LCA is not a failure. The delays for some sub-systems like Multi-mode radar and Engine are being addressed by sourcing them from foreign sources(Gripen too uses GE engines). While sneering at Indian R&D, plz remember there is no such thing as R&D in Pakistan except manufacturing green paint! ;-).