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India cannot escape the problems of Kashmir. The more India tries to stamp out the insurgency, the more it grows. Despite many discussions, no concrete steps have been taken to resolve the issue by the Indian side. This year huge demonstrations proved that the insurgency is local and cannot be eliminated by the 800,000 Indian soldiers. All efforts have been made to do CBMs so that the cultural onslaught on Pakistan can take its toll in creating Akhand Bharat. Srinagar pics: PM Singh faces Pakistan flags, black banners & strikes in Indian Occupied Kashmir
Freedom to Kashmir: Arundhati Roy on “Brave New India”. The recent visit of PM Singh to Occupied Kashmir elicited the usual reaction:-protest, slogans of “Pakistan Zindabad“, and “We want freedom.”
The last six decades of India-Pakistan relations have proved the “step-by-step” approach to be a dismal failure. Whereas what is needed is a quantum jump, what New Delhi and Islamabad have opted for is a slow belly crawl.
It was sometime in the 1980s that I ran into the late Sardar Swaran Singh, Indian external affairs minister (1964-66 and 1970-74) at a conference in Vienna.
What, I asked him, had really taken place during the six rounds of Kashmir talks he had held with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto between December 1962 and May 1963? Why, despite American and British sponsorship and backing of these talks, had it not been possible to settle the dispute?
He asked me if I spoke Punjabi, which I told him I did. “So let me explain it to you in Punjabi,” he said. In his old village, he told me, during his early youth, there lived a pretty girl named Banto, with whom all the boys were quite taken, but she showed no interest in any of them.
However, from time to time, to make their hearts jump with joy (mumdyaan da ranjha razi karan layee), she would lift her laacha just a little and expose a bit of an ankle before disappearing from view. This kept the boys happy for some time. That is exactly, he explained, what we do to Pakistan on Kashmir. When it becomes insistent, we flash a bit of the Kashmir ankle which keeps it for some time. Kashmir by Khalid Hasan
The protest came hours after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh began a two-day visit to the troubled Himalayan region, where tens of thousands of people have been killed since a revolt against New Delhi’s rule broke out in 1989.SRINAGAR • Police in Kashmir’s main city fired tear gas yesterday to disperse several thousand demonstrators protesting against alleged human rights violations by Indian security forces.
The protest came hours after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh began a two-day visit to the region, where tens of thousands of people have been killed since a revolt against New Delhi’s rule broke out in 1989.
The demonstration erupted weeks after the Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP), an independent group, said they discovered nearly a thousand unmarked graves in cemeteries in 18 villages close to the Line of Control.
More than 3,000 people led by Kashmir’s chief cleric, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, marched through streets of Srinagar, carrying banners reading: “Stop human rights violations.”
“We want freedom, long live Pakistan,” protesters shouted.
Half a dozen people were injured after police fired teargas shells at stone-throwing protestors.
Police said they later escorted Farooq, also chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, safely home and put him under house arrest.
“We ask Indians and the world community, whose graves are these? … Human rights violations in Kashmir have increased and we will continue protest,” Farooq said in his Friday sermon before leading the protest demonstration.
Four other Hurriyat leaders were also placed under house arrest as a preventative measure earlier, said police officer Shabir Ahmed. “We are anticipating law and order problems,” he said.
The leaders had planned demonstrations — demanding an inquest into alleged human rights abuses in the troubled region — during the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
The APDP estimates up to 10,000 people have gone missing following their arrest by security forces during the nearly two-decade-old militancy in Kashmir, and says many of the missing could have ended up in these unmarked graves. Authorities in Kashmir have denied the allegations, saying such reports were intended to malign Indian security forces.
Amnesty International has appealed to Indian authorities to urgently investigate unmarked graves in north Kashmir. —Agencies. Mirwaiz, other Kashmiri leaders under house arrest
INDIA’S COMMITMENT OF PLEBISCITE FOR
http://www.na.gov.pk/s_kashmir_india_comitment.html
THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR
“Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or State must be decided in accordance with wishes of people and we adhere to this view.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (in telegram No. 402-Primin-2227 dated 27 October 1947 to Prime Minister of Pakistan repeating telegram addressed to Prime Minister of United Kingdom).
“In regard to accession also, it has been made clear that this is subject to reference to people of State and their decision.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. In telegram No.413 dated 28 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“ …….the people of Kashmir would decide the question of accession. It is open to them to accede to either Dominion then.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (in telegram No.255 dated 31 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“Kashmir should decide question of accession by plebiscite or referendum under international auspices such as those of the United Nations.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Letter No. 368-Primin dated 21 November 1947 to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“We are anxious not to finalize anything in a moment of crisis and without the fullest opportunity to be given to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It is for them ultimately to decide.
“And let me make it clear that it has been our policy all along that where there is a dispute about the accession of a state to either Dominion, the accession must be made by the people of that state.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Broadcast to the Nation: “All India Radio”: 2 November 1947).
“The issue in Kashmir is whether violence and naked force should decide the future or the will of the people.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in Indian Constituent Assembly; 25 November 1947).
“We have not opposed at any time an over-all plebiscite for the State as a whole…….”. · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (in telegram dated 16 August 1950 addressed to the U.N. Representative for India and Pakistan: S/1791 : Anne 1(B).
“The most feasible method of ascertaining the wishes of the people was by fair and impartial plebiscite.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Joint press communique of the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan issued in Delhi after their meeting on 20 August 1953).
“People seem to forget that Kashmir is not a commodity for sale or to be bartered. It has an individual existence and its people must be the final arbiters of their future.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Report to the All-India Congress Committee, 6 July 1951; The Statesman, New Delhi, 9 July 1951).
“Kashmir is not a thing to be bandied about between India and Pakistan but it has a soul of its own and an individuality of its own. Nothing can be done without the goodwill and consent of the people of Kashmir.” JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in the Indian Parliament, 31 March 1955).
“We had given our pledge to the people of Kashmir, and subsequently to the United Nations; we stood by it and we stand by it today. Let the people of Kashmir decide.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in the Indian Parliament, 12 February 1951).
“We have taken the issue to the United Nations and given our word of honour for a peaceful solution. As a great nation, we cannot go back on it. We have left the question for final solution to the people of Kashmir and we are determined to abide by their decision.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Amrita Bazar Patrika, Calcutta, 2 January 1952).
“If, after a proper plebiscite, the people of Kashmir said, ‘We do not want to be with India’, we are committed to accept that. We will accept it though it might pain us. We will not send any army against them. We will accept that, however hurt we might feel about it, we will change the Constitution, if necessary.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in the Indian Parliament, 26 June 1952).
“I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir. It is not that we have merely said that to the United Nations and to the people of Kashmir; it is our conviction and one that is borne out by the policy that we have pursued, not only in Kashmir but every where.
“I started with the presumption that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future. We will not compel them. In that sense, the people of Kashmir are sovereign.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in Indian Parliament, 7 August 1952)
“The whole dispute about Kashmir is still before the United Nations. We cannot just decide things concerning Kashmir. We cannot pass a bill or issue an order concerning Kashmir or do whatever we want. JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (The Statesman, 1 May 1953)
“Leave the decision regarding the future of this State to the people of the State is not merely a promise to your Government but also to the people of Kashmir and to the world.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (In telegram No. 25 dated 31 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“In regard to accession also it has been made clear that this is subject to reference to people of State and their decision.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (In telegram No.413 dated 28 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“That Government of India and Pakistan should make a joint request to U.N.O. to undertake a plebiscite in Kashmir at the earliest possible date.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (In telegram No. Primin-304 dated 8 November 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).
“We have always right from the beginning accepted the idea of the Kashmir people deciding their fate by referendum or plebiscite………..”
“Ultimately, the final decision of settlement, which must come, has first of all to be made basically by the people of Kashmir…….” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement at Press Conference in London, 16 January 1951, The Statesman, 18 January 1951).
“But so far as the Government of India are concerned, every assurance and international commitment in regard to Kashmir stands.” · JAWAHARLAL NEHRU. (Statement in the Indian Council of States; 18 May 1954).
http://www.na.gov.pk/s_kashmir_india_comitment.html
Kashmir in the United Nations
- Resolution 38 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 229th Meeting held on 17 January 1948
- Resolution 39 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 230th Meeting held on 20 January 1948
- Draft Resolution presented by the President of the Security Council and the Rapporteur on 6 February 1948
- Resolution 47 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 286th Meeting held on 21 April 1948
- Resolution 51 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 312th Meeting held on 3 June 1948
- Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 13 August 1948
- Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 5 January 1949
- Proposal in respect of Jammu and Kashmir made by General A.G.L. McNaughton, President of the Security Council of the United Nations on 22 December 1949
- Resolution 80 (1950) adopted by the Security Council at its 470th Meeting held on 14 March 1950
- Resolution 91 (1951) adopted by the Security Council at its 539th Meeting held on 30 March 1951
- Resolution 96 (1951) adopted by the Security Council al its 566th Meeting held on 10 November 1951
- Resolution 98 (1952) adopted by the Security Council at its 611th Meeting held on 23 December 1952
- Resolution 122 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 765th Meeting held on 24 January 1957
- Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Cuba, U.K. and U.S.A. on 14 February 1957
- Resolution 123 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 774th Meeting held on 21 February 1957
- Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Columbia,Philippines on 16 November 1957
- Resolution 126 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 808th Meeting held on 2 December 1957
- Draft Resolution submitted by Ireland to the Security Council on June 22, 1962
- Statement of the President of the Security Council (French Representative) made on the 18 May 1964 at the 1117th Meeting of the Council (Document No. S/PV. 1117, dated the 18 May l964) summarizing the conclusion of the debate on Kashmir
- Resolution 209 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1237th Meeting held on 4 September 1965
- Resolution 210 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1238th Meeting held on 6 September 1965
- Resolution 211 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1242nd Meeting held on 20 September 1965
- Resolution 214 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1245th Meeting held on 27 September 1965
- Resolution 215 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its1251st Meeting held on 5 November 1965
- Resolution 303 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its1606th Meeting held on 6 December 1971
- Question considered by the Security Council at its 1606th, 1607th and 1608th Meetings held on 4,5 and 6 December 1971
- Resolution 307 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its 1616th Meeting held on 21 December 1971
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/index.htm
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First we drain the swamp.
There’s clearly an array of powers at work creating the case right now for a war on the Pashtun tribal regions. These things don’t just happen in a vacuum. Wars seem to start with the careful choreography of the news media. The war masters, the maestros, start feeding their lap dogs, the press. The music is then played by the press for the rest of us to hear.
Notice how all the papers are beginning to play the same thing about the Afghan and Pakistan border? The theme of “lawless frontier” is being played every week. The sound drowns out the reality of a noble 5000 year old culture of some 42-million people.
We hear instead about the vilified denizens of a “lawless tribal frontier.”
What you missed it? Well, it’s only been playing for about two weeks. You need to tune in to the inside pages. The maestros have been composing for a while longer…. Their creative juices kicked in about the time Sen. Obama, answering one of those deadly sucker-punch sound bite questions showed us his war face telling us he would take action on “high-value terrorist targets” in Pakistan if President Pervez Musharraf “won’t act.
That’s the sunshine it took to start the war-sap flowing. War-sap is sticky stuff, its residue has been known to encapsulate the creatures that get too near and preserve them there for posterity.
There is a legal system in place of course, in this lawless frontier. It’s been there for 5000 years. The Pashtun call the system the jirga. But its not part of the sharia law, it’s unique to the Pashtun and precedes Islam by thousands of years. But we don’t sing about that just now.
Please, I definitely don’t want the Pashtun to start signing their homeland song either. I don’t want to learn that an 1893 border line drawn with the blessing of Queen Victoria divided a group of mountain dwellers along the Afghan and Pakistan boarder in two.
I thought mountain ridges where proper borders. Everybody uses them. I just can’t handle the sound of another this-a-stan or that-a-stan popping up. So please, I don’t want to know about a Pashtunistan. And I definitely have no interest in anything 5000 years old, if it means Obama can catch Osama on good intelligence, bring it on! That should be Commander Obama’s war face call: “Bring it on!” Hmmmm, that sounds familiar.
What is this Pashtuni-whatever, Pashtunwali, anyway?
It’s a code of conduct. The Pashtun openly express somewhat defiantly, total cultural independence and have seen conquering armies and powers come and go through the millennia. Probably because of their original geographic high mountain foothold they could stand off vast armies with terrain advantage. Well it’s about time maybe for all that to stop.
If the Pashtun just hang in there with there non-violent thesis a few more generations, they’ll be the dominant culture of the entire region with the new awakening of intellectual prowess and coming Islamic Reformation which is beginning right now. Their hopes of control over their resources, a name for themselves, and an end to fundamentalist radical Islamic persecution will fade away and they will be the dominant culture. They would be wise to muster whatever assets are needed, magically go find Osama bin Laden and turn him over to the world court thus avoiding a coming war in the tribal area.
And, how come they sound more like American cowboys than foreigners? Darn it, if we are going to start another little war, can’t we start it with some body that doesn’t live like my great, grandfather? The old Pashtun nationalist non-violent Kahn Abdul Gaffari Kahn 1930′s photo, even looks like grandpa!
Setting aside the Pashtun mostly pray to the same God I do, grandpa did, and great grandpa too, how on earth did they adopt the same code as the old cowboy code of the west?
According to “lawless frontier” musical score, the first impressions I hear is Pashtun love rifles, chewing green tobacco, and appreciate a good sense of humor. So what’s not to like? I can’t go to war on that.
If I fell out of the sky and landed in a group of people like that, I’d get along just fine, especially if I were being chased by the law. What they call Nanawateh we call asylum. Nanawateh is extended even to an enemy, just like the Cowboy Code of the Old West. Except if you are granted asylum (called Lokhay Warkawal) by the Pashtun elders as a group you’re in like Flynn! They protect you even if it means forfeiting their own lives. Man that is lawless. Imagine a code of living where a principal was so honored, that it exceeded my duty to the state. Hmmm. Now that is lawless. Isn’t it?
Better to just seek hospitality, then they’ll treat you like a king, which makes me want to open a 5-Star hotel somewhere in the snowy peaks along the boarder if I can find a few acres for a ski-lift not planted in opium poppies, viewed on Google Earth satellite, not that anyone is actually checking the carefully cultivated fields above 6,000 feet along the borders. I would feel right at home there, not unlike parts of Tennessee or California.
Look at the forces arrayed here. My little fantasy war is going to happen.
The Democrats need to show they can be trusted with national defense again, be it Hillary or Obama. And McCain says fight to win.
The second verse of the song is still being written: Floating the contingency balloon. Up, up, and awa-a-a-ay, in my beautiful ball-o-o-o-on….
Obama or Hillary, or McCain get sworn in January 20, 2009. By mid June, whoever is President is going to make a push into the boarder regions the so-called “lawless frontier tribal zones” and “on good intelligence,” unless of course my leader does it first before June 20th. The operation will be Pakistan’s (well okay we’ll give them a few billion). It will be a fast coordinated air-ground attack with airborne US intelligence and lots of surrounding US air cover as a safety check to insure the operation stays within operational parameters. Pakistani’s will not go into Afghanistan and vice a versa. Meantime the Pakistan Navy will be backed up (some would say surrounded and outgunned) by the US Navy to keep a lid on the operation seeing to it they don’t launch an attack on India by Pakistan Islamic fundamentalist-leaning ground forces. We’ll hold India’s hand throughout the entire episode and offer security where needed.
Up, up and awa-a-a-ay in my beautiful …. This thing’s going to happen regardless of who wins.
You can’t deny the poetic justice in someone with a Muslim name (Obama) catching a renegade terrorist (Osama). Can you imagine the songs that we could write about that? To the tune of “Froggy went a courting.”
Obama went a hunting and he did hunt, uh-huh
Obama went a hunting and he did hunt, uh-huh
Obama went a hunting and he did hunt, he hunt Osama on the Mount
Obama went a hunting and he did hunt, un-huh. …..
The best time to wage this little war would be during the Chinese Olympics. China would likely remain quiet with their hands temporarily full with the Olympics.
So my fantasy, glorious, contingency war needs to be brief, violent, and force the Pashtun jirga to rethink their long term cultural interests. It needs to end with Osama in a holding tank, brought up on charges in the world court.
If it fails? Well what do you expect from the lawless tribal frontier area in Pakistan with questionable army allegiance? Corruption is everywhere.
I’d still like to open a 5-star hotel with some good ski-runs. You don’t suppose the opium production their so good at, has anything to do with the foolishness of some of our drug laws? Nah.
Victor Davis Hanson says you have to look at war with a long term perspective in order to understand its meaning. Long term is real long term. It may well turn out that while many say Bush’s legacy must be a failure, history may have a completely different take on things, long after both you and I and our great grand children have come and gone. It may turn out, that doomed legacy of a Bush Presidency we hear so often this campaign-cycle ends up being written 1000 years from now as the President who started Islamic Reformation (* See Footnote) and brought freedoms that enabled thinking people to ask questions about religious practices that eventually changed the world and started the east and the west talking again.
The Ritz, I like that franchise, a 5-star Ritz, 18-hole world class golf course, mini-conference center with A Pashtun bag-piper paying my old favorite, “The Ass in the Graveyard” with double malt scotch, in the bracing night air.
Respectfully,
Warbucks
Footnote: Reformation: “Christianity has the advantage of having been able to interpret its religious texts in their historical context, thus arriving at the distinction between what belongs to the bedrock of faith and what is related to culture: a distinction that Muslims have difficulty making.” … This was a topic of discussion in Muslim and Christian dialogue in Brussels, April 17, 2008. And from Pope Benedict XVI during his visit to the US in April 15-21, while visiting a synagogue in New York, with about 200 representatives of other religions, including Islam, to the Muslims the Pope said that interreligious dialogue “aims at something more than a consensus for advancing peace.” The greater objective of dialogue is “to discover the truth” and keep the deepest and most essential questions awake in the hearts of all men. “Confronted with these deeper questions concerning the origin and destiny of mankind, Christianity proposes Jesus of Nazareth. He, we believe, is the eternal Logos who became flesh in order to reconcile man to God and reveal the underlying reason of all things. It is he whom we bring to the forum of interreligious dialogue. The ardent desire to follow in his footsteps spurs Christians to open their minds and hearts in dialogue…. Dear friends, in our attempt to discover points of commonality, perhaps we have shied away from the responsibility to discuss our differences with calmness and clarity….. The higher goal of interreligious dialogue requires a clear exposition of our respective religious tenants.”
The only way to bring peace in Pakistan, Kasmir and India is a united south asia ( including China).
SHOULD SEE THIS WEB_PAGE
https://forums.yaleglobal.yale.edu/thread.jspa?threadID=951&tstart=60
We already discussed this subject in “India as a world power Part three”. You are obviously not using your correct name, so your credability is really below zero. For a serious discussion of this and other subjects, please come forth with a real name and let the discussion begin.
You may want to post this on your forums.
http://rupeenews.com/2008/08/05/india-as-a-world-power-part-3/
What is the purpose of soliciting people to the forum? What do you think, you can convince Pakistanis and Bangaldeshis into joining Bharat?
I think that will happen only under another Muhmud Ghaznavi or Aurenzeb Alamgir.
BTW: We deleted your duplicate mails.
PS: We are working with a part time skeleton staff during the holidays, so there may be delays in responses and postings.
Best Regards,
Editor
independence of kashmir is definitely in the minds of us indians only after US destroys pakistan. Actually it is very simple. cut off aids and as “Friends of Pakistan” to stop giving aid and you guys starve to death. as you can see after iraq now it is your turn.