Where are the Good Dutch? by Moin Ansari
Noticias de Rupia | Nouvelles de Roupie | Rupiennachrichten | ??????? ????? | ???? | Roepienieuws | Rupi Nyheter | ??????? | Notizie di Rupia | PAKISTAN LEDGER | ???????? ????? | Moin Ansari | ???? ??????? | DefensebriefsIntellibriefs Translate to: RSS feed: alt="" />| RUPEE NEWS | March 22nd, 2008 | Moin Ansari | ???? ??????? | ????? ????? | The world sees Eurotrash in the parliament of the Netherlands. Where are the Good Dutch? The only vision of the the Dutch that is seen by the world are images of Ayan Hirshi and that of Mr. Geert Wilders. The world does not see the good Dutch.
Who is responsible for this horrible image of the Dutch? Well, the Dutch themselves! Their history depicts a picture of Holland that surely cannot be written as a testimony of tolerance and harmony. The Dutch right will keep provoking the Muslims by throwing up figures like Ms. Hirsi, Mr. WIlders and they will continue their search for Islamophobic causes. When there are no issues, they will try to provoke the global Muslim diaspora by manufacturing incidents and hoping that some nut somewhere will take unwarranted and illegal action. The Dutch right will they say “we we told you so”.
What is missing in this scenario? The Good Dutch are missing. Silence was acceptance of Nazi atrocities. Silence today is acceptance of Gerrt Wilders and other Islamphobes.
What does the world and Muslims in general expect from the good Dutch? Muslims all over the planet don’t see the good Dutch. What does the world intellectuals and the Muslim intelligentsia expect from the good Dutch? The Muslim intellectuals who want to build bridges of harmony expect the Dutch to come out in huge numbers and repudiate the Geert Wilders of Dutch society. Those Dutch who do not like what is going on in the Netherlands must come force the government to elect mainstream Muslims to parliament, and appoint mainstream Muslims to cabinet positions. Obviously the Good Dutch are either non-existent or too weak to counteract the Neo-Nazis in and around Amsterdam.
Until and unless concrete steps are taken by Dutch society, the question remains. Where are the good Dutch? They are unwilling or unable to get themselves heard. They are unable or unwilling to organize themselves…therefore they do not exist!
PREFACE AND EDITOR’S NOTES: These notes expose the hollowness of “Freedom of Expression” in Hollands
Waar zijn het Goede Nederlands?
We posted this blog on Dutch sites like (http://nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/tech/2008/03/fitnathemoviecom_terecht_offli.html). This article and all our artilces have been taken off all the Dutch boards. So much for Free speech! I guess Free Speech is allowed as long as you disparage Islam. What hypocracy! This article is has many graphics because it is meant for Duth and the Europeans who may not be proficient in English.
They stirred the pot for no reason at all
- Muslim response to the Dutch and Geert Wilders
- Muslims support SOIEs efforts to eliminate Islamic influences from Europe
- Celebrate Tulipomaniaagain. Muslims should send Tulips (Topi Wale) and Roses (Gul e Mohammadi) to Geert Wilders.
A decent majority cannot tolerate bigotry. It cannot feign ignorance. If the majority is quiet, it is guilty of intolerance.
If the majority sanctions bigtory, and racism under any banner, then the majority is complicit in mass hatred towards a vulnerable minority. Unnecessary provocation?
Civilized people all over the world are waiting for the Dutch to refute the nonsense perpetuated by the right wingers like Geert Wilders. This week we got an answer. A pathetic 1000 people showed up to condemn the right wing hijacking this miserable country.
Where are the rest? Muslim andLoving Holland. Open Letter to the Dutch and Geert. Mijn lieve Nederlandse Vriend/.
Where are the good Dutch? (Waar zijn het Goede Nederlands? )
The Jewish TV program producer, Harry deWinter’s, speech is also worth mentioning in this context. De Winter, who is one of the founders of a Jewish NGOnamed as Another Jewish Voice, compares the existing trend with the climate against Jews before WW2. The climate that has been shaped by Mr. Wildersis comparable with the rise of anti-Semitism in the 1930′s and Mr. Wilders would be accused of being anti-Semist if he had done the same against the Jews, according to the program maker. As said by deWinter, Jews should be those who understand Muslims best in this regard. Nermin Aydemir is Netherland representative for Journal of Turkish Weekly
Silence is acquiescence and the world awaits a Voltaire from the Netherlands? There is no Tom Paine in the Netherlands? There is no Sy Hersch in the land of the Tulips and the home of the Windmills?
The world today sees the Netherlands as bigots and racists. The world sees the Dutch as they are? It is up to the Dutch to answer that question.
The world knows the truth about the Dutch…and the “Good Dutch”…we are still looking.
Holland is one of the best examples of bigotry and hatred on the planet. The “Good Dutch” cannot support racism and bigotry based on Hatred. The Good Dutch would accept responsibility for historical wrongs and current misdeeds.
The Dutch Blood Diamond Trade is the worst example of horrible man’s inhumnity towards fellow man.
The Netherlands exported violence to the innocent across Africa and Asia. They killed 15 million of their own in WW1, and 55 million of their own in WW2. Now we hear them parrot “Mein Kemph” ideas in the comments. Hitler said the same things against the Jews, the gays, the gypsies, and the handicapped the most vulnerable sections of society (made vulnerable by systematic discrimination)
Justifying racial genocide, a violent Nazi past, a horrendous history of cruel colonialism in Indonesia and South Africa and systemic and institutionalized discrimination cannot be justified by what is going on societies that the Dutch destroyed and sucked for hundreds of years.
The Dutch totally destroyed the society in Indonesia and perpetuated one of the worst crimes of humanity in South Africa. The people of Asia and Africa REJECTED the Netherlands and its imposed rule. Then when the countries wanted independence the Dutch murdered millions of innocent Indonesians who did not want to be part of the “Dutch paradise”.
Today the Neo-Nazi movement in Holland is a lightning rod for bigots all over Europe.
There is something wrong within Ditch society and the societies surrounding it which continue to create monsters like Hitler and others. Every crackpot in the Europe that bases his ideology on hate Apatheid, Racism, Anti-Semtism and Islamphobia finds a good audience in the cesspool of degradation in Amsterdam and the vicinity.
The Dutch businesses import the poor of the poor to use and abuse them in Holland, and at the slightest excuse leave the immigrants to fend for themselves–now islated and far from home (which the Dutch destoryed for hundreds of years).
When Rupee News posted articles exposing all of this on Dutch Board–they were all censored and we were eventually banned…exposing the hollowness of the claim of freedom of speech.
Maybe there are none. Rupee News was looking for a few good Dutchmen. We are still looking!
“He wants to create the Mohammed cartoon affair all over again”
Comment from Laurent Chambon, a French sociologist who moved to the Netherlands 14 years ago and wrote a book about minorities in politics and the media:
Geert Wilders is a former member of the VVD; a liberal party that veered towards the far-right. He was thrown out of the party for “Islamophobia” and founded his own movement called the PVD(the Liberal Party), which has around ten seats in parliament.
Wildersis part of a gradual shift in Holland, where a far-right, nationalist and xenophobic stance has established itself. The former MP HirsiAli, originally form the Sudan, is from the same gang. She comes out with all sorts of polemic stuff, and then acts surprised when she receives threats.
Wilderslikes to provoke people….. It’s only seven minutes long, but that doesn’t matter. It’s the event around it, and he’s very good at creating that. I’m not sure if his film will have a strong impact here because Dutch Muslims are used to his provocations – they won’t fall for them. His real target is foreigners. Perhaps he’s hoping for someone to attack him, just so he can play the martyr.
He wants to create the Mohammedcartoon affair all over again. But I don’t think Dutch society is like the Danish one. Holland is still a multicultural and tolerant country, unlike Denmark, which is much more closed.”
HISTORY OF BIGOTRY PERMEATS DUTCH SOCIETY?
Netherlands has a history of bigotry. The sanitized version of history taught to the Dutch children blames everything on the Nazis (not even “Germans”). This “ostrich history” does not inform the common Dutch that innocent Dutch citizens (who happened to be Jewish) were expelled from Amsterdam in the 15th century. Then again during the 2nd World War, the Dutch were very complicit in Nazi rounding up, deportation and transportation of Jews (shown in these pictures) to the Gas oven in Dachao etc.
Colonial atrocities in Indonesia and South Africa are also not taught to the Dutch children who grow up on the Disneyland version of historical events. Most Dutch do not read the Bible either, so they are unaware that Muslim scripture is very similar to Jewish and Christian scripture.
- Fitna here and the multiple response on this site
- Geert Wilders anti-Quranfilm. Silence will be the best response
- Dutch and Geert Wilders should ban these holy books too
- Europe: Muslim Integration and separatism lessons learned from the British Raj
- Send Tulips to Geert Wilders
- Muslims support SOIEs efforts to eliminate Islamic influences from Europe
- “Fitna” Rebuttal to Geert Wilders. Refuting the Dutch Nazis
DISCUSSION OF THE IMPACT OF WILDERS ON DUTCH SOCIETY
Chronicle of a film foretold: About ‘Fitna, the movie’by Nicolien den Boer and Michel Hoebink*22-03-2008
For months now, the Netherlands has been in the grip of the anti-Qur’an film …by politician Geert Wilders. The controversy is prompting more and more questions in other countries.
What exactly is going on in the Netherlands? Where has this Geert Wilders character sprung from all of a sudden? What do his fellow countrymen think of him? And if the Dutch government is so scared of this film, why don’t they simply ban it? Could it be that they actually support it?
Radio Netherlands Worldwide has produced its own short film about the issue in an effort to answer these questions. About ‘Fitnathe Movie’ takes a more in-depth look at aspects of Dutch society, such as freedom of speech, aspects that sometimes lead to confusion abroad. The film also seeks to put Geert Wilders himself in perspective.
Dutch opposition MP Geert Wilders Fitna
Even though no one yet knows exactly what Fitna is all about, Geert Wilders’ comments have given us a few clues. He has already said that he wants to show that the Qur’an is “a fascist book”. In a piece he submitted to Dutch daily newspaper de Volkskrant, he emphasised that he sees Islam as the problem, not Muslims. But he also says that Fitna is intended as a “final warning” to the West, which he believes is on the verge of giving up its freedoms without a fight.
Indonesians still celeberate fighting the cruel Dutchman. The current generation of Holland knows nothing about how they destroyed the great Indonesian civilization and sent millions to poverty for 200 years.
What inspires someone to make Geert type of statements? Where does his anger at Islam come from? The historical dimension to this story is often forgotten. For example, the fact that the arrival of large groups of immigrants – many of them Muslims from Turkey and Morocco – has rapidly turned the Netherlands into a multicultural society over the past 40 years. This rapid change has given rise to a considerable level of irritation and discontent among the Dutch, regardless of their reputation for tolerance.
Particularly since the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, integration of the Muslim minority has become the most emotionally charged political issue in the Netherlands. With his right-wing Freedom Party, Geert Wilders represents the most extreme stance on this issue. He believes that Islamic culture tends towards violence andis therefore at odds with the democratic values of Dutch society. He does not want to let any more Muslims into the country and he wants the Muslims who already live here to renounce part of their own culture in order to assimilate into Dutch culture.
Geert Wilders has a relatively small support base among the Dutch population. At the last election, six percent of Dutch voters cast their ballot for him, giving him nine seats in the Netherlands’ 150-seat parliament. But his provocative statements have generated a massive amount of coverage in the media.
Freedom of speech
It is clear that the Dutch government is very concerned about Geert Wilders’ film. They remember all too well the uproar in the Islamic world caused by the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad in the Danish press two years ago. For some time now, Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen has been at pains to point out to the rest of the world that Geert Wilders’ film far from represents the Dutch government’s position but at the same time that the freedom of speech enshrined in the Dutch constitution means that Geert Wildershas every right to release the film. At least until such times as a court determines otherwise.
The Dutch take great pride in their democratic freedoms, which they believe mean that disputes should be settled with arguments and not with repression and outright conflict. This pride can best be summed up in the words attributed to the French enlightenment philosopher Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!”
However, it is important to emphasise that even in the Netherlands, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute. Its boundaries are set by a ban on discriminating against others on the basis of race or faith and on incitement to violence. But it is up to the courts and not to the government to determine whether a film breaks the law. And such a ruling can only be made once the film has been shown. Dozens of charges have already been brought against Geert Wilders for discrimination and incitement to hatred and these are currently being considered by the courts. Depending on its content, GeertWilders’ film could also easily find itself the subject of legal scrutiny.
Geert Wildershas sparked an enormous amount of discussion in the Netherlands. For months now, it has been impossible to open a newspaper without being confronted with an article about the MP or people airing their opinions about him. Many in the Netherlands are totally opposed to his position. They think that he is slandering Dutch Muslims and is only making it more difficult for them to integrate by continually levelling accusations at them.
Others disagree with him but are still glad that he is around. They think that his provocative statements should be the starting point for a discussion between the native Dutch and Muslims in the Netherlands so that they can settle their differences.
Dutch Muslims have yet to enter into this debate in large numbers. But GeertWilders’ ‘phantom film’ has got Muslim organisations thinking about how they should respond when the film is released. The Landelijk Beraad Marokkanen- a national consultative body representing the Moroccan community – has already said that on the day of the film’s release they will open the doors to all of the Moroccan mosques in the country. The attitude of the Dutch Muslims can perhaps best be summed up in the words of the organisation’s chairman Mohammed Rabbae:
“When the film is released, we should conduct ourselves with dignity. If we get angry or even turn to violence, we will be doing exactly what Mr Wilders wants us to do.”
Wilders’ film has already triggered fury in the Muslim world. The Dutch government has distanced itself from his views, fearing a backlash against the country amongst Muslims similar to that against Denmark in 2006 after newspapers there published the blasphemous cartoons.
THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ISSUES.
But the West knows as well as we do that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. There is something really rotten in the state of Denmark, as Shakespeare put it. In fact, this is not confined to Denmark. This sickness pervades the whole of Europe and the Western world. While there has always been deep-seated animosity and hatred against all things Islamic in the West, of late this is acquiring alarming proportions. More worryingly, these are not isolated incidents of some fanatics going berserk. There’s a clear method in the madness. From the Jyllands-Posten cartoon to the numerous books and movies targeting the Prophet, Islam, and the Holy Quran, just about everything we believe in seems to be fair game.
Apart from the historical Western doublespeak and double-dealing in the Middle East, it is the endless demonization of Islam and Muslims that is fuelling the clash that Samuel Huntington promised us. It’s about time the West got this message — loud and clear — from the Muslim states that Islam-bashing is JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. Andthis should be done by going beyond those regulation OIC, UN and Arab League resolutions. It’s time for more meaningful andconcrete steps. Just stop doing business with countries like Denmark and the Netherlands. That will teach them the lesson they refuse to learn, hitting ‘em where it hurts the most. And there will be quick results — quicker than you could say Jyllands-Posten
Here is an apology from the Netherlands trying to justify why Wilders exist. No explanation was given why no major politician speaks up against Wilders and why he has not been tried under existing Dutch blasphemy laws.
THE MUSLIMS OF THE NETHERLANDS REACT
A weak protest or is it tokenism? Dutch protest against anti Islam film, 2110 PST, Sat., March 22, 08
AMSTERDAM: About one thousand people protested in central Amsterdam on Saturday against right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders and the imminent release of his film expected to be against Islam.
Anti-racism protesters clad in winter clothing against the freezing cold and drizzling rain held placards that said “Enoughis enough” and “Stop the witch-hunt against Muslims”.
Pop and hip-hop groups entertained the crowd in between speeches by social groups.
“We can no longer remain silent. There is a climate of hate and fear in the Netherlands,” said spokesman Rene Danen fromanti-racism organisation Nederland Bekent Kleur (the Netherlands recognises colour differences), which had organised the protest.
There should be restrictions on what Wilders can say, saidRieke, a 61-year-old Amsterdam arts teacher who declined to give her last name.
It is a very bad example to people to let him say whatever he wants,” she said.
1300 brave Dutch citizens actually did speak up against bigotry in the Amesterdam.
- REFUTING THE MYTH TO DEMONIZE MUSLIMS:-Why did Muslims not condemn the violence
Why did Muslims not condemn the violence.
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