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"Fitna" & Rebuttal to Wilders. Refuting Dutch Nazis

“Fitna” & Rebuttal to Wilders. Refuting Dutch Nazis
Where are the good Dutch?

 

 

Banning the Swastika and making “Holocaust denials” a criminal activity doesn’t eliminate the racism and bigotry that is now manifesting itself in the new anti-semetism of Mr. Geert Wilders.

The Dutch Nazis are at it again. This new Anti-Semitism is against the Muslims

11. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division Nordland was formed in 1943 to combine all the Scandinavian and Dutch volunteer formations, but the Dutch did in the end not end up in Nordland, instead it contained a majority of volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans) and a minority of Scandinavians.

 

 

Wilder’s credibility will be affected as the non-bigots (outside the Netherlands) read the Quran. The rate of conversion will go up.

“Freedom of Speech” tested on Dutch boards. Abuse, ban and Censorship?

 

The Dutch people were unable to stop Mr. Geert Wilders from making the movie, because of “Freedom of Speech”. However all our articles posted on Dutch boards were banned and removed. Does it show a culture of “double standards”. Sure!

Much ado about nothing. Same old. Nothing new

 

 ”Fitna” is a stale Islamphobic rhetoric that presents edited excerpts of Quranic verses to change the meaning of the original Quranic verses. The video regurgitates old discarded Neocon balderdash that has been rejected by America and the world. It would have shocked the world a few years ago. Today you can catch more Islamphobia on Fox!

Mr. Geert Wilders watches the popularity polls. Each time his poll numbers dip, he reaches down into the well of Dutch bigotry and they respond. He brings up the controversy and his numbers rise. will release the Islamphobic video when it is convenient to him to get maximum advantage of the world stage. Obviously he did not think January was the opportune time. He may have been drowned by the US elections, or events in Iran or Pakistan.What can be said about the movie? Muslims of Muslims memorize the Quran before the age of 14. It lives in the hearts and minds of 1.5 Billion Muslims. No one can disparage the Quran. Many have tried. May God Bless their souls.

The criticisms presented in Fitna are nothing new. The Crusaders, Popes, Torquemada, John Damascus and Martin Luther said worse things centuries ago. “They” (Islampbobes) have been saying this sort of thing for 1400 years. This type of nonsensical criticism has been repudiated multiple times and on this site and by historians and religious leaders.

To Arabs the Rose is called “flower of Muhammad” and the Arabic word Muhammad is seen in the rose.To Arabs the Rose is called “flower of Muhammad” and the Arabic word Muhammad is seen in the rose.To Arabs the Rose is called “flower of Muhammad” and the Arabic word Muhammad is seen in the rose.

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Topi waleTopi WaleTope WalayTulips will remind Mr. Geert and other Dutch bigots about the fact that Tulips came from Muslim Turkey and that they spell “Allah” in Arabic.

We will be publishing a detailed point by point rebuttal of the movie. Some salient points.

1) No information is given on the source or the translation. The text of the Quran have bee taken out of text. Allegorical stories or a particular incident are presented as “commands” for all time. We will refute with actual quotes and credible translations.

2) Most of the incidents shown are Arabs and Iran which make up a small portion of the Muslim world. The largest Muslim states, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Indian Muslims and Pakistan are not shown.

3) Insignificant unidentified people are shown blathering away. Neither the audience nor the exposure is significant and is not shown. 

4) We will investigate the Quran and find the truth and repudiate the criticism. The Torah, the Bible, the Gita and all scriptures have texts that have to be explained.

5) Fear mongering is the name of the game. According to Mr. Wilders, Europe is being overwhelmed by Muslims.

6) The world will hear the Quran, then they will investigate and find the truth. The rate of conversion will increase. Islam is already the fastest growing religion by birth and by conversion. Four out of five converts are women. In that sense we thank Mr. Geert Wilders for exposing the world to the Quran.

7) Mr. Geert Wilders May God Bless you. Duth and Geert Wilders should ban these holy books too

8) The noise surrounding this movie’s launch and the public statements of Mr Geert Wilders are always so extreme that anyone can understand his objective is to provoke a reaction and to get media coverage and attention. For the time being he seems to succeed beyond hope: everybody speaks about a movie nobody has watched being afraid (or hoping) the scandal. M. Geert Wilders is a populist: having no serious real social policy, he is trying to get voters by feeding and using their fears! This is so clear that the Muslims must pass over : Mr Geert Wilders is now revealing his true nature and the best response is to ignore him. The worst case scenario he can expect is indeed not reaction… silence! Tariq Ramadan

9)  Topi WaleTopi WaleMuslims should send him Tulips and Roses. Tulips spell “Allah” and roses are Gul e Mohammadi (the flower of the prophet Muhmmad).

10) We feel sorry for Mr. Wilders and the Dutch, totally surrounded by Tulips during Spring. If enough Muslims send him Tulips Tulipomania will be a living hell for him. May God Bless him, and may be find the right path.

REFUTING THE HALF-TRUTH AND LIES OF MR. GEERT WILDERS.

 Much ado about nothing. Same old. Nothing new

Aliph) The first verse that Mr. Wilders showed as evidence for banning the Quran was

You Shall Be Prepared: A Divine Commandment

 8:60:You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster

It is amazing that a fragment has been taken from 8:60. The verse after 8:60 which is 8:61 is not listed. Obviously Mr. Wilder did this for effect. However he loses credibility when some may try to read the next sentence also which negates his original assertion.

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

Also the ref to context in 8:60 is the story of Moses from the Bible and the Torah. The story is simply repeated in the Quran. The  

[8:53] GOD does not change a blessing He has bestowed upon any people unless they themselves decide to change. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

[8:54] Such was the case with the people of Pharaoh and others before them. They first rejected the signs of their Lord. Consequently, we annihilated them for their sins. We drowned Pharaoh’s people; the wicked were consistently punished.

[8:55] The worst creatures in the sight of GOD are those who disbelieved; they cannot believe.

[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.

[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.

[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.

[8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.

[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

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God Suffices the Believers

[8:62] If they want to deceive you, then GOD will suffice you. He will help you with His support, and with the believers.

[8:63] He has reconciled the hearts (of the believers). Had you spent all the money on earth, you could not reconcile their hearts. But GOD did reconcile them. He is Almighty, Most Wise.

[8:64] O you prophet, sufficient for you is GOD and the believers who have followed you.

The 2nd sentence fragment quoted from the Quran. No ref to context was given, and the complete verse was not broadcase. Unrelated events were shown afterwards

Bay) The 2nd quote used by Mr. Wilders is a simple allegorical description of “hell” for sinners. Similar descriptions can be found in the Bible also. Quran refers to all “Believers” as having the option of a blissful shades.

Allegorical Description of Hell

[4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

[4:57] As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, we will admit them into gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. They will have pure spouses therein. We will admit them into a blissful shade.

The 3rd sentence fragment quoted from the Quran. No ref to context was given, and the complete verse was not broadcase. Unrelated events were shown afterwards 

Jeem) The next quote used by Mr. Wilders is about God who created the heaven and earth. Not sure why he brings this up. If he had read the Bible, he would have found a very similar verse there too.

[57:4] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then assumed all authority. He knows everything that enters into the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. He is with you wherever you may be. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

Daal) This verse is about dealing with Hypocrypts. Pretty self expanatory. All religions ask their followers not to be hypocritical. It simply says “choose your friends wisely”.

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

How to Deal With the Hypocrites

[4:88] Why should you divide yourselves into two groups regarding hypocrites (among you)? GOD is the one who condemned them because of their own behavior. Do you want to guide those who are sent astray by GOD? Whomever GOD sends astray, you can never find a way to guide them.

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

[4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

[4:91] You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.

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*4:89 The basic rule controlling all fighting is stated in 60:8-9.

The 2nd sentence fragment quoted from the Quran. No ref to context was given, and the complete verse was not broadcase. Unrelated events were shown afterwards 

Ray) This one deals with those who spend money in fighting God. This one says that all should defend themselves. Similar verses are found in the Bible and the Torah.

Spending Their Money to Fight God*

[8:36] Those who disbelieve spend their money to repel others from the way of GOD. They will spend it, then it will turn into sorrow and remorse for them. Ultimately, they will be defeated, and all disbelievers will be summoned to Hell.

[8:37] GOD will sift away the bad from the good, then pile the bad on top of each other, all in one pile, then throw it in Hell. Such are the losers.

[8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

[8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

[8:40] If they turn away, then you should know that GOD is your Lord and Master; the best Lord and Master, the best supporter.

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*8:35 All religious practices in Islam came to us through Abraham; when the Quran was revealed, all rites in “Submission” were already in existence (21:73, 22:78).
*8:36 The idol worshiping leaders of corrupted Islam, Saudi Arabia, have allocated huge sums of money annually to fight God and His miracle. For example, the famous Lebanese publisher Daar Al-`Ilm Lil-Malaayeen (Knowledge for the Millions) published the Arabic version of “The Miracle of the Quran” in March 1983. The Saudis bought all the copies and destroyed them. 1055 71206

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A letter to Geert Wilders

Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Farooq Sulehria 

Having seen your film, I am not writing to you because I found Fitna repugnant to my religious views. As a matter of fact, I am not religious at all. However, as a member of the Muslim world, I am penning these lines down in an endeavour to set the record straight.

In the first place, I found Fitna’s theme that “Muslims”–as stereotypically represented by bearded fanatics–plotted 9/11 or planted bombs in London and Madrid subways because the Quran teaches them “to strike terror in the hearts of enemies,” is not merely politically bankrupt but without historical basis, irrational and contrary to facts.

From the Twin Towers to the London and Madrid subways, the terrorist actions were not incited by the Quran’s Sura Al Anfal (The Spoils of War), as Fitna would have us believe. These actions were a reaction–though highly condemnable and inhuman–to the equally condemnable and inhuman terrorist actions, at state level, by the upholders of Leitkultur.

And by the way, what you forgot to mention in your film is that the fitna called Al Qaeda that plotted “to strike terror in the hearts of enemies,” was, in the first place, fathered by the “enemies.” From the Twin Towers to the London subway, many such episodes were various manifestations of the Sorcerer’s apprentice.

Honestly, as a viewer I am not convinced at all when, by quoting out of context verses from the Holy Quran, you, as maker of Fitna, pin the blame on it for “Islamic anti-Semitism.”

I am not convinced because the history of the Muslim world tells another story. When persecuted, Jews (as well as Protestants) escaped the Leitkultur of Europe and were embraced by the Ottomans. Every time a Muslim general, from Omar to the great Saladin, entered Jerusalem neither Jewish nor Christian blood was spilt nor any synagogue torched. In contrast, the Crusaders’ entry into Jerusalem remains a bloody story still told in Jewish and Muslim annals. And do I need to remind you how the term Judacide originated? I do not think Hitler was a Muslim.

The sword-waving Bakr al Samarai featured in Fitna no doubt represents a section of the Muslim world when he declares: ‘If Allah permits us, o nation of Mohammad, even the stone will say O Muslim, a Jew is hiding behind me, come and cut off his head. And we shall cut off his head.”

However, this “Islamic anti-Semitism,” a relatively understandable reaction to Zionism, has less to do with the Quran and more with the harsh realities Arabs (many of them Christians) are subjected to by the illegal confessional state of Israel. Not only to understand the roots of “Islamic anti-Semitism,” let me, also for the sake of “objectivity” that the Western media always cherish so much, narrate an anecdote from Israel.

In February 1994, an American-born settler, Baruch Goldstein, gunned down twenty-nine Muslim worshippers in the shared Muslim and Jewish shrine in Hebron. For Muslim, this shrine is the Ibrahimi Mosque. To Jews, it is the Tomb of the Patriarchs. The rabbi officiating Goldstein’s funeral said the fingernail of a Jew was worth more than the lives of a thousand Arabs. Later, in a court case, Goldstein’s widow won the right to keep her husband’s machinegun. The machinegun then triumphantly decorated her mantelpiece.

I am sure you will not attribute this utterly disgusting show of hatred to the Old Testament. Nor will you blame the Bible for Michael Rohan’s shameless act in 1969 of burning down the Al Aqsa Mosque to hasten the coming of the Messiah.

Similarly, unlike Fitna, I do not blame the Holy Quran when Muhammad Bouyeri killed Theo Von Gogh. The Dutch filmmaker was not merely a victim of religious fanaticism. Like the victims of the London and Madrid subways, he was equally a victim of rightwing politics and liberal economic onslaught that has destroyed the social-welfare fabric of Western societies, leading to the ghettoisation of immigrants whose kids grow up in isolation from Leitkultur.

Unfortunately, my dear Geert Wilders, it is this brand of politics and market fundamentalism that you subscribe to. I find your Fitna an extension of this politics. Fitna is not an attempt to defeat “Islamic ideology,” as it claims in the end. Because, to end “Islamic ideology” it is not the pages of the Holy Quran one needs to oppose as you have suggested. To end “Islamic ideology” one needs to oppose the regimes responsible for the invasion and destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya and the Zionist occupation of Palestine since 1948.

Last but not the least, I, along with millions across the Muslim world, will be on your side in case of any bearded fanatic harming you. Not because we approve of the hate-Muslim Fitna being made on the pretext of “freedom of expression.” But because it is the Muslim world that is the real victim of the bearded fanatics who find it easy to issue fatwas against freedom of expression on the pretext of Fitnas. Racist Fitnas and fanatic fatwas, in fact, reciprocate each other. My fight is against both of them. Take care.

The writer is a freelance columnist. Email: mfsulehria@hotmail.com

 

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