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ible, Mishna, Talmud, and Gita also.

Most articles clarifying the issues have been banned and censored off various Dutch sites that are a cesspools of bigotry and hate-fest. We were unable to find a single Muslim writer on more than several dozen Dutch sites that we monitored. This article was also censored and taken off the sites.

• Fitna here and the multiple response on this site
• Geert Wilders anti-Quran film. Silence will be the best response
• Dutch and Geert Wilders should ban these holy books too
• Europe: Muslim Integration and separatism lessons learned from the British Raj
• Send Tulips to Geert Wilders
• Muslims support SOIEs efforts to eliminate Islamic influences from Europe
• “Fitna” Rebuttal to Geert Wilders. Refuting the Dutch Nazis

COMPARISON OF PUNISHMENTS IN ISLAM JUDASIM AND CHRISTIANITY

The purpose of this message is not to disparage, but to simply show the interconnectivity of religions, and the fact that allegorical stories cannot be used to put down any religion or its followers. There is only ONE human family and one planet that we enjoy. We should bridges of harmony.

The issue with discussing religion is that if it is done in isolation then the context is lost. Islam cannot be discussed in isolation. It is a synthesis of Judaism and Christianity. It grew up in the same area.

Crime and punishment are dependent upon climatic, topographical, and social factors. The Hebrew and Arab traditions are different than the crime and punishment as developed in Southeast Asia,South Asia, Latin America or Africa. The punishments meeted out to traitors in Haiti was called the “garland” being burned in a tire on fire. Burning on the stake was the punishment for witches in France and Britian. Viking punishments of death with the sword are based on thier experiences. Swedish traditions on nudity are not acceptable to Sikh traditions in the Punjab. Morals have changed. The Kama Sutra was displayed in Hindu temples. Today the same pictures are not acceptable even in India. The Muslim painter Husain who simply reproduced the nude paintings already present in Hindu tempels has a death sentence on him.Burning widows on the fire along with the body of the husband are a Sati tradition in Hinduism. African traditions dictate various types of witchcraft traditions. South African Aparthied traditions used torture on blacks in many inhuman ways. The Catholic Church developed torture techniques for women and codified them in the book called Malleus Malfulcrum (http://medieval.etrusia.co.uk/malleus/). 9 million women were burned at the stake.Bishop Torquamada during the Spanish Inquistion beheaded Jews and Christians who did not convert.

The Chinese concubines were acceptable in Chinese society. Binding the feet of women was acceptable behaviour. Adultery is acceptable in French culture but not American. Gay priests are acceptable in some American churces but not Italian churches. Factions in Congo use rape as a weapon of war. 5 million women were raped a couple of years ago. Ugandan tribes punish each other by kiling them any way possible. Romans in Pompeii used eels to suck the blood of slaves as punishment. We are confident that in islands with plenty of water drowning would be the punishment. 50 million Hindu women known as “White Widows” are incarcerated in temples and sold as prostitutes in India today. The Incas and Mayas practiced human sacrifices and threw the bodies and heads down the pyramids. Hindu sacrifices of humans are sanctified under the banner of Kali Devi (see some in Indian Jones and the temple of doom-a movie banned in India). Each culture considers the other barbaric. Sexual promiscuity of Hilton, Spears and Lohan are considered dacadent by Latin America, and South East Asia!! Many parts of the world uses hanging as a punishment. The US uses lethal injection and the elctric chair, which in some states is now calssified as “cruel and unusual punishment.”

Quranic rules for crime and punishment are all based upon, Biblical, and Talmudic punishments. I did not decry any other religion. I simply informed you that Muslim laws were extracted from Talmudic laws, Torah and Biblical Laws.

Talmudic laws used stones because they are abundant. The Middle did not have an abundance of cliffs, like Greece (for example). Romans in Capri used to throw people off the cliffs.

The Torah precribes punishments, the Talmud places restrictions of two witneses for the crimes. In Islam, this has been more stringent and 3 witnesses are required.

Crime and punishments arise because of ethnic, geographical and cultural reasons. The purpose of listing these is to discuss the fact that many of these injunctions are not known to people.

You described and labeled many of the punishments as “barbaric” (your words not mine).

These punishments are all described in Numbers, Leviticus, Exodus, Deutronomy etc.

(May God forgive me if I have transgressed!!)

• “Ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer…he shall surely be put to death” (Numbers 35:31).
• “Thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe” (Exodus 21:23-25)
• Punishments for the Amalkites are clearly defined in Deutronomy. If memory serves me right it is 12:24 or thereabouts. (I’ll check it in my Torah and then correct this post). The Rabbi in the synagogue said that the Palestinians were the new Amalkites and deserves the punishments listed in Deutronomy.
• And When the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them, thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
  Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. . . .(Deuteronomy 7:2-6)
• When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you . . . you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies . . . Thus you shall do to all of the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here.
• But in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and Jebusites, . . . (Deuteronomy 20:10-18)
• Know, therefore, that only the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His covenant and steadfast love to those who love Him and keep His commandments, to a thousand generations and requites to their faith those who hate him, by destroying them – never slow with those who reject Him, but requiting them instantly. Therefore, observe faithfully the instruction-the laws and the rules – with which I charge you today. (Deuteronomy 7:6-12
• As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you.You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. (Leviticus 25:44-46)
• Bearing false witness in a capital case was in itself a crime punishable by death (Sanhedrin 9B, 32B, 86A, & 89A).

The first five Mishna deal with the laws of wicks, oil and so forth mShab 2:6 states, “for these sins women die during childbirth: Because they are not careful about the laws of mensturation, the dough offering, and lighting the sabbath lamps”.

The Mishna (Mishna Sanhedrin 49b-50) mentions four methods of execution,stoning, burning, strangulation, and beheading. T

The Torah specifies a full litany of offenses for which a person may be put to death, including murder,
idolatry, blasphemy, adultery, violating the Sabbath, wizardry, and rebelling against one’s parents. The punishments for each transgression are noted as well-stoning, burning, and slaying by the sword.

Shariah is based on Abrahamic Laws, it does not deviate from the laws in vogue. In many cases, it places severe restrictions on its implementation.
For example on “adultery”, the punishment is the same, however the mandatory 3 witnesess, who should have seen the actual act and genitals makes it hard to implement.

Because you are an expert on Talmudic Laws, let me simply say that all the five areas of Talmudic Laws in fact describe crime and punishments in a vivid manner.

• 1. ZERAIM: concerning seeds. It treats of seeds, fruits, herbs, trees; of the public and domestic use of fruits, of different seeds, etc.
• 2. MOED: concerning festivals. It treats of the time when the Sabbath and other festivals are to begin, end and celebrated.
• 3. NASCHIM: concerning women. It treats of marrying and repudiating wives, their duties, relations, sicknesses, etc.
• 4. NEZIKIN: concerning damages. It treats of damages suffered by men and animals, penalties and compensations.
• 5. KODASCHIM: concerning holiness. It treats of sacrifices and various sacred rites.
• 6. TOHOROTH: concerning purifications. It treats of the soiling and purifying of vessels, bedclothes and other things.

I do not even want to list the punishments described in Abhodah Zarah, 15b, 22a, 22b or in Zohor (I,46b, 47a)

Mishna (San Hedrin 7.4) punishments:
Mishna, Sanhedrin 7.4 concerns offenders sentenced to death by stoning:

• [1] one who has intercourse with his mother or his father’s wife, his daughter-in-law, a male or a beast;
• [2] a woman who copulates with a beast;
• [3] the blasphemer and the idol-worshipper;
• [4] one who curses his father or his mother;
• [5] one who has intercourse with a betrothed girl;
• [6] the instigator (to apostasy) [mesith] and the imposter [maddich;
  cf. Deut 13];
• [7] the sorcerer, and
• [8] the disobedient or rebellious son.

In addition to stoning crimes such as adultery or rape with a betrothed girl, …………..idolatry,blasphemery,sorcery, cursing parents, bestiality,adultery, and incest

The Old Testament prescribed stoning as the penalty for other different crimes:

• - “If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a
  disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you” (Deuteronomy 22:20-21). Contrary to this approach, in Islam even regency of woman does not determine adultery.
• - “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.”(Exodus, 35:
• - “If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death”
  (Exodus, 21:29).
• - “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads” (Leviticus, 20:13).

As we mentioned in my earlier post, 15 million people were murdered in WW1, 50 million in WW2. The Holocoust happened in Europe.

Stalin murdered 10 million Muslims in the USSR.

1 million women are raped in the USA every year. there are 10,000 murders in the USA. Statistics posted on this site.

Pro-Slavery passages in the New Testament:

• Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. (1 Timothy 6:2)
• Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior. (Titus 2:9-1)
• Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. (1 Peter 2:18)
• Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ… (Ephesians 6:5)

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed.

Anti-Semtic passages in the New Testament:

• …the Jews; who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16.
• Which echo the words of Jesus himself about the Jewish Scribes and pharisees:
• Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes … that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias … All these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew 23:34-36.
• Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: that the blood of all the prophets, which shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation … verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:47-50, 51.

New Testament that accuse Jews or the Jewish religious leaders of violent intentions or physical violence against Jesus or his followers:

• Matthew 12:9-14, 16:21, 20:17-19, 21:33-46, 26:1-5, 14-16, 47-50, 26:57, 66, 27:1-2, 19-26. Scathing attacks on the Jewish religious leaders of the day and their teachings. (Matthew 15:12-14, 16:5-12, 21:12-13, and chapter 23,
• Mark 11:15-17, 12:38-40, Luke 12:1-3, 16:14-15).
  Mark 3:1-6, 8:31, 10:33-34, 12:1-12, 14:1-2, 10-11, 43-49, 64, 15:1, 8-15.
• Luke 9:22, 20:9-26, 22:1-6, 52-53, 22:26, 23:5, 23:13-25.
• John 5:15-18, 7:1, 10-13, 19-20, 28-34, 8:20, 37-40, 57-59, 10:30-39, 11:45-57, 12:9-11, 18:3-14, 19-24, 28-32, 19:6-7, 12-16. Acts 2:22-23, 3:13, 4:22, 5:17-42, 6:8-15, 7:50-60, 8:1-3, 9:1-2, 9:21, 13:28-29, 50, 14:1-6, 19, 17:5-9, 20:19, 21:11, 22:22-23, 23:2-3, 10, 12-15, 20-21, 27, 24:1-9.
• Acts 15, 21:17-26, Galatians 2:3-6.
  Acts 13:14-16, 14:1, 17:1-4, 18:1-4).
  Acts 28:16-17, 21-25
• 2 Corinthians 11:24.
• 1 Thessalonians 2:15-15.

I can’t even reproduce (Sanhedrin 105a-b),(Sanhedrin 106),

The Buddhists killed millions in the killing fiends of Cambodia. The Hindu scriptures talk about millions killed in the Mhabharta. Tamil Hindus and Sinhalese Buddhists kill by the dozens every day in Sri Lanka.

It is NOT about religion…..it is about misusing religion. It is about playing the blame game.

The Pakistani constitution states that no law will be made that is repugnant to the Quran and Sunnah. Hadd and Hadood Laws are subject to “Council of Islamic Ideology”. No Biblical punishments of hand amputation, beheading, lashes, or stoning are meeted out.

God, please forgive me if I have transgressed. We will remove this comment ASAP.

Peace be upon you and May God Bless you.

moinansari, on February 15th, 2008 at 1:33 am Said: Edit Comment

REBUTTAL TO SPRENGLER
Subject: Europe in the house of war By Spengler

Dear Editor:

Here we go again with Spengler playing “an expert on Islam. His creadbility ended when he brought up the discarded British bigot named Enoch Powell’s. Spengler then said “Wilders is not provoking violence.” Are you kidding? Even the Dutch don’t agree with Spengler. The rest of the article went down hill from that point onwards. Mr. Nazir Ali is another person with an opinion. He may or may not have bearing on the opinion of people beyond his earshot. THousands of Britins live a good life in Britain. Spengler then regurgitates the incorrect translation of archaic or arcane terms, “Darul Harb” (land of war) vs “Darul Islam” (land of peace). A Muslim land could be “Darul Harb” and a Christian land could be “Darul Islam”. The terms are from medeval times and have no religious or polticial significance now.

In typical Islamphobic fashion Spengler brings up insignificant isolated incidents and then tries to tie them together in a grand conspiracy. Who died and left Mr. Ramadhan the leader of the Muslims. Mr. Ramdhan is a college professor with an opinion. An opinion is worth a dollar or a cup of tea. You have as many of them as you have mouths. Who cares, if Mr. Ramdhan was unable to give a politically correct sound bite. We are not even sure what he said, because of the excised and redacted quote given by Mr. Spengler.

Islamic Shariah law is based on Talmudic, Torah, and Biblical law. All penalties can be found and traced back to the Torah, Talmud or the new testament. Imam Faisal in his book “Whats right with Islam” says that the United States is the most shariah compliant country in the world. He means that peace, justice, human rights and freedoms prevail here.

• But in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and Jebusites, . . . (Deuteronomy 20:10-18)
• And When the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them, thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
• Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. . . .(Deuteronomy 7:2-6)
• As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you.You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. (Leviticus 25:44-46)
• The Mishna (Mishna Sanhedrin 49b-50) mentions four methods of execution,stoning, burning, strangulation, and beheading.

The Torah specifies a full litany of offenses for which a person may be put to death, including murder,
idolatry, blasphemy, adultery, violating the Sabbath, wizardry, and rebelling against one’s parents. The punishments for each transgression are noted as well-stoning, burning, and slaying by the sword.

The purpose of reproducing these quotes is to show that any scripture can be used to disparage a race or a religion. All religions have similar punishments based on their cultural norms. The Romans in the Mediterrnian used to throw Christians to the lions and killed slaves by allowing eels to suck their blood. The Incas sacrificed people by behaeding them. Kali Devi practiced human sacrifice. The Chinese bound the feet of the concubines etc etc. Picking in Muslims and Islam has to stop. The Neocon theology has died. We should all be building bridges of harmony not hate.

• AJMA Yahoo Group for interfaith dialogue The American Joint Multifaith Association (AJMA)has been working for years to develop better community relations amongs the physical and spiritual children of Abraham Rebuilding the Abrahamic symbiosis in AmericaMoin Ansari’s interview with Harold Channer 1
  Wasim Khan and Moin Ansari’s interview Prt 2 —————————————-
  Supporting the SOIE
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  Fitna-much ado about nothing
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  Geert Wilders anti-Quran film. Silence-the best response
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  Dutch and Geert Wilders should ban these holy books too
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  Europe: Muslim Integration and separatism lessons learned from the British Raj
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  Send Tulips to Geert Wilders
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  Muslims support SOIEs efforts to eliminate Islamic influences from Europe
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  “Fitna” Rebuttal to Geert Wilders. Refuting Dutch Nazis

By simply jumping up and down and misquoting the Quran, doesn’t mean anything. Auliya is the Arabic word which means “religious benefactor”. They didn’t teach you that in KKK School of Bigotry did they?

A Muslim is allowed by the quran to marry the “People of the Book” (Jews and Christian”). This is a friend–more than a friend. Your misquote is appalling and contrary to the teachings of Islam.

Matthew 23:35 (also Lk 11:50-51)

And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Matthew 27:25

All the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!”

John 8:44 (also Rev 2:9)

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

Revelation 3:9

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars – I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

1 Sam 14:45 But the troops retorted, “Jonathan, who saved Israel today, shall die? Far from it! We vow by the life of God that not one hair on his head will be touched, for he has been used of God to do a mighty miracle today.” So the people rescued Jonathan. TLB
Jer 15:2 And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them the Lord says: ‘Those who are destined for death, to death; those who must die by the sword, to the sword; those doomed to starvation, to famine; and those for captivity, to captivity.’ TLB

You and the worst bigots hiding in a cave are two sides of the same coin. There is no difference between you and guy who tried to commit the murder of the innocent.

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/church/persecution/persecution.pdf

Numerous texts in that longer treatise make the undiluted accusation that the Jews were
responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion. (32, 67,72).

When shown the hollowness of your rhetorical bigotry–you were left naked to try to justify the verses out of the Bible and the Torah. Deuteronomy and other sections are full of these allegorical stories.

Paul doesn’t share your ecumenical Disneyland views of the world. Should I quote the exact verses from Paul’s rendering of Jesus.

The prophet married a Christian–period. She remained a Christian.

Rapture, and Revelation are exactly what Prophet Muhammad was referring to. Your selective use of versus of the Quran out of context impresses no one. Even in the quote you put “…” to hide the quote. Which “Jews” are not being referred to.

Anytime you want to pick on Islam or the Quran or the Hadith–you will always find a reference back to the Torah or the Bible.

As pointed out earlier, believers in the Rapture are convinced that at the end of the world (which they think is imminent) all those people who are not Christians, or are even just nominal Christians and not the full-throttle version, are going to meet an extraordinarily sticky end, too gruesome for even a Quentin Tarantino or Mel Gibson film. But the role that Jews play in the rapture drama is curious and worth examining.

As Chris Hedges points out in his essay in the May 2005 issue of Harper’s Magazine, the Dominionist belief in the Rapture has a role for Jews that is not very appealing. They believe that “Israel must rule the Biblical land in order for Christ to return, though when he does, all Jews who do not convert to Christianity supposedly will be incinerated as the believers are lifted into heaven.”

Gene Lyons, in his November 2004 Harper’s Magazine review of the Left Behind novels points out that “Israeli Jews play a strange role in the Left Behind series, existing to be converted or slaughtered. As God’s chosen, they are to be protected from harm until the battle of Armageddon, at which point they must accept Jesus as the Messiah or die.”

So while many fundamentalist Christians speak of their “Judeo-Christian heritage,” one suspects that what they mean by that is not that Jews and Christians are equal partners but merely that the Old Testament is an important part of their religious framework.

In Revelation 20:1–3, 7–8, we read, “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while. . . . And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth.”

Who killed Jesus?…and Who said it…
Matt 27.1 – “all the chief priests and the elders of the people came to the decision to put Jesus to death”. (Matthew)
Lk 23.13-20 – “the chief priests, the rulers and the people,” (Luke)–obviously not ALL the people; just the ‘crowd’
Acts 2.36(w 14) – “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem,” (the apostle Peter)
Acts 10.39 – “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree (Peter)
I Thess 2.14 – You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. (Paul)
Act 13.27 – The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath. 28 Though they found no proper ground for a death sentence, they asked Pilate to have him executed. (Paul) Notice ‘people’ is restricted to those in Jerusalem who asked for the execution–the ‘crowd’ again.
Mt 26.3 – Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. (Matthew)
Mt 27.1,20 – But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed. (Matthew)
Acts 5.27 – Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. 28 “We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name,” he said. “Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man’s blood.” 29 Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than men! 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead — whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. (Peter, accusing the Sanhedrin–a mixed priestly and lay aristocratic ruling body)
44Ye [the Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

The question arises over Scriptures such as these when Peter preached on the Holiday of Shavuot in Jerusalem:

This man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death (Acts 2:23).

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered up, and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,

But put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead–a fact to which we are witnesses (Acts 3:13-15).

For I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger with the work of your hands (Deut. 31:29).

So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.

And they shall become a sign and a wonder on you and your descendants forever (Deut. 28:45-46).

The words of Isaiah:

…For they have rejected the law of the Lord of hosts, And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

On this account the anger of the Lord has burned against His people… (Isa. 5:24-25).

But they rebelled And grieve His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them (Isa. 63:10).

Thus I shall judge you, like women who commit adultery or shed blood are judged; and I shall bring on you the blood of wrath and jealousy (Ezek. 16:38).

From Daniel and Hosea:

Indeed all Israel has transgressed Thy law and turned aside, not obeying Thy voice; so the curse has been poured out on us, along with the oath which is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, for we have sinned against Him (Dan 9:11).

Listen to the word of the Lord, O sons of Israel, For the Lord has a case against the inhabitants of the land, Because there is no faithfulness or kindness Or knowledge of God in the land.

There is swearing, deception, murder, stealing, and adultery. They employ violence, so that bloodshed follows bloodshed (Hos. 4:1-2).