Danish Nazi collaboration create Kurt's cartoon curse

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  1. zurizurowski says:
    April 6, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    You write that “The Nazis despised the Bosnians (…) As untermenchen, were a special target.”

    But in fact, Heinrich Himmler, with the cooperation of the Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayniset, set up a Waffen SS Division consisting predominately of Bosnian Muslims: the ’13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar’. This SS division carried out the largest anti-partisan sweep in World War Two.

    You can read about it in this wikipedia article:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

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  2. moinansari says:
    April 6, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    1) We are discussing the roots of Danish bigotry and her Nazi past. We are not discussing the reasons for abundant pornography in Dansih society, nor are we discussing the hight suicide rate in Copenhagen. The article investigates the origins of anti-Semitims in Denmark.

    2) Denmark claims to be a liberal democracy, a sex-free country and has freedom of speech blah! blah! blah!

    3) The fact remains that Denmark’s Nazi past is deep rooted, especially in the German areas like South Jutland. Denmark has blood on her hands. There were around 300,000 Danish Nazis or Nazi Sympathisers who actively participated in the holocaust and the murder of 6 million Gays, Gypsies, socialists and patriotic German Dutch and European citizens whose only crime was that they happened to be Jewish.

    4) Denmark, not only identified, but also transported and participated in Jewish massacres. There is no camparision.

    5) The article lists actual resources on why Denmark is so Islamphobic. Muslims on the other hand have done nothing to the Danes!

    6) Mufti who? This is a red herring recently created by the Neocons, and the bigots have bought into this nonsense. A symbolic presence in occupied territory is slightly different than Danish active participation in Germanic unification and death camps. We have given multiple references to credible authors. You have given no references. One line from a Wiki blog does not make a case. The Bosnians were actually cutting Nazi supply lines to Russia eventually leading to the defeat of the Nazis in Stalingrad.

    7) The Mufit of Jeruslem was not an elected position. He was unrepresentative, and was not vote on by anyone. Additionally, the Mufti was appointed by the British and had no locus standii. Any discussion with the enemy of Britain–the occupying power in Palestine was to liberate the country.

    8) The Palestinains make up a tine minority of all Muslims in the world.

    9) The Mufti did not kill any Jews. He may have visited Germany. British to be king Edward also visited German, as did Henry Ford. President Bush’s father supplied goods and services to the Nazis. The Mufit’s disucssion with the Germans at the time must be seen in the context of links with other Jewish leaders like Ben Gurion.

    10) You may authenticate the veracity of the following documents also. One of the sites actually has Nazi medals given to Jewish Nazis. True or not, we don’t care. This article was about Danish particapation in WW2 and the origins of anti-semitism in Denmark. 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis (Hardcover) by Lenni Brenner (Author). Lenni Brenner: Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1455, http://www.lastsuperpower.net/docs/nzc10zionismingermany

    Did Ben Gurion say this? We don’t care!If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel. (Yoar-Gelber. (1939-1942).Zionist Policy And The Fate Of European Jewry. Yad Vashem Studies. Vol. XII. p.199.)

    1) Joachim Prinz, “Zionism under the Nazi Government,” Young Zionist (London,
    November 1937), p. 18
    2. Lucy Dawidowicz (ed.), A Holocaust Reader, pp. 150-5
    3. “Rasse als Kulturfaktor,” Jüdische Rundschau (August 4, 1933), p. 392
    4. Mark Wischnitzer, To Dwell in Safety, p. 212
    5. “Reflections,” Palestine Post, (November 14, 1938), p. 6
    6. Yehuda Bauer, My Brother’s Keeper, p. 129
    7. David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics 1889-1945,
    Bar-Ilan university, Appendix (German): Geheime Kommandosache Bericht, pp. 301-2
    8. Heinz Hohne, The Order of the Death’s Head, p. 333
    9. Ibid and Karl Schleunes, The Twisted Road to Auschwitz, pp. 193-4
    10. Kurt Grossmann, “Zionists and Non-Zionists under Nazi Rule in the 1930s,”
    Herzl Yearbook, vol. VI, p. 340
    11. Prinz, Ibid
    12. Jacob Boas, The Jews of Germany: Self-Perception in the Nazi Era as
    Reflected in the German Jewish Press 1933-1938, Ph.D. thesis, University of
    California, Riverside, (1977), p. 111
    13. Yoav Gelber, “Zionist Policy and the Fate of European Jewry (1939-42),”
    Yad Vashem Studies, vol. Xll, p. 199
    14. Ari Bober (ed.), The Other Israel, p. 171

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  3. zurizurowski says:
    April 6, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    In response to

    1) And yet, you claim in your article that the Nazis regarded Bosnians as “Untermenschen” and therefore made them “a special target”. Where does the Waffen SS division consisting largely of Bosnian Muslims fit in? Is this this SS unit a neo-con farbication? Are photographs of this division and its emblems forgery?

    Even though you may wish to discuss Denmark’s Nazi past and present “and nothing else”, your claim about Nazis/Bosnians is still part of your text and therefore open for discussion.

    2) This has nothing to do with your claim and my counterclaim in regards to Bosnians in WW2.

    3) True, but see point 2)

    4) I didn’t compare, nor am I intending to compare Denmark’s participation in Nazi massacres to anything. I’m merely pointing out a sentence that seems to run contrary to the information I have been given on Bosnians in WW2.

    5) Fully agree, although there are Islamophile and Islamophobic currents within the international neo-Nazi movement. Not sure which tendency prevails in Denmark.

    6) Are you calling a Waffen SS division actively targeting partisans a “symbolic presence”? Did this division in fact not exist?

    Again, I wasn’t comparing the Mufti or the Bosnian SS unit to anything. I was pointing out a sentence that I believed to be untrue.

    While some Bosnians may have cut Nazi supplies to Russia, others joined the Waffen SS and murdered anti-fascists.

    Speaking of sources: what are your sources for the claim that the Nazis despised the Bosnians and made them a special target?

    I’m willing to give references outside of Wikipedia, but whether a source of an author is “credible” is, of course, highly subjective.

    Who are you referring to as “the bigots”? Are you implying I am part of that group?

    7) I would have to read up on the Mufti, but I fully agree with “Palestinains make up a tine minority of all Muslims in the world”

    9) The Mufti himself didn’t, but the Bosnian SS division that he also visited did.

    There is no doubt about Henry Ford’s antisemitism and his Nazi sympathies.

    I wouldn’t put business deals with the Nazis beyond Bush’s father for a second.

    10) I’ll have a look at the links.

    Yes, your article “was about Danish particapation in WW2″, but as mentioned before, it contains a statement about Bosnians that I don’t believe to be true.

    Why set up a Bosnian division (as opposed to individual cases of “Jewish Nazis”) of what was an elitist Nazi organization if the Nazis believed the Bosnians to be Untermenschen and therefore worthy of targeting?

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  4. moinansari says:
    April 8, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    a) I have added part of the references on Bosnians in the article. My statement has been substantiated. I am still looking for a couple of other references. As soon as I find them, I will post them here.

    b) I have not seen you discuss the Mufti which was an appointee of the British and actually had little support in Palestine. I see the Neocons are still drumming up the Mufti nonsense as proof of somehting. Not sure what. I had written an article on that episode a few years back. Will have to hunt it down. Khalidi, Rashid. ‘The Formation of Palestinian Identity: The Critical Years, 1917-1923′ in James Jankowski and Israel Gershoni (eds.) Rethinking Nationalism in the Arab Middle East, (Columbia University Press, 1997, ISBN 0-231-10695-5)

    Following the death of Amin’s brother Kamîl al-Husayni, the former Mufti, in March 1921, the British High Commissioner Herbert Samuel pardoned Amin al-Husayni. Al-Husayni and another Arab had been excluded from an earlier general amnesty because they had fled before their convictions had been passed down. Elections were held, and of the four candidates running for the office of Mufti, al-Husayni received the least number of votes. Nevertheless, Samuel, anxious to keep a balance between al-Husaynis and their rival clan the Nashashibis,[7] decided to appoint Amin al-Husayni Grand Mufti of Jerusalem,[3] a position that had been held by the al-Husayni clan for more than a century. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#cite_ref-Sachar170_2-0)

    Sachar, Howard. Aliyah: The People of Israel. World Publishing Company, 1961

    c) I alos posted Nazii colloboration with other other poeple in the Middle East! You did not respond to that.

    d) Please see the works of The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia
    By Michael Anthony Sells

    Please also see the following articles:
    1) http://www.forusa.org/articlesandresources/hypocrisyandfolly.html

    2) http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslims_who_fought_against_the_real_fascists/

    Between European hypocrisy & Iranian folly
    The cartoon controversy, the Holocaust, and the legacy of Nuremberg

    By Ma’sood Cajee

    Several years ago, during a visit to Germany, I saw an exhibition at Frankfurt’s Postal Museum of anti-Semitic cartoons, ads, and posters from the decades before Nazi rule. With the onset of the Danish cartoon controversy, I have thought a lot about that exhibition and its message for today. Witnessing that chilling collection of everyday anti-Semitism, one could only conclude that the Nazis and their Holocaust were the natural outcome of a powerful current of hatred toward Jews that had permeated German and European civilization for decades, if not longer.

    Currently, a leading Iranian newspaper is trying to highlight European hypocrisy about the Danish cartoon controversy by holding a “Holocaust cartoon contest”. This follows Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calling the Holocaust a “myth.” Soon, Iran will also inexplicably convene an international conference of Holocaust revisionists, a curious crew of mostly extreme right-wing, middle-aged Anglo-Americans. While Europeans may indeed be hypocritical in framing the cartoon controversy as an issue of Western freedom versus Eastern repression, what the Iranians are really showcasing in their treatment of the Holocaust is sheer folly.

    The rhetoric about the Holocaust coming out of Iran these days begs a few questions: Why deride an event whose very idea is anathema to any of the world’s great religious traditions or ethical systems — especially that of Islam? Why deny an event Muslims didn’t even perpetrate, and from whose denial Muslims clearly don’t benefit? Why poison already-tenuous Muslim-Western relations?

    A few things are certain. The Islamic scriptures firmly warn believers to refrain from mocking and ridiculing that which others — Jews, Christians, or anyone else — hold sacred. In deriding and denying the Holocaust, Iran causes incalculable harm to itself and to Muslims everywhere. Moreover, Iran’s Holocaust derision and denial also dishonors the hundreds of Muslims who rescued Jews during the Holocaust, and the thousands who fought Fascism.

    The stories of Muslim rescuers of Jews are largely unknown and unpublished. Only in the past fifteen years have Holocaust researchers brought a few to the public’s attention. Yad Vashem and other Holocaust memorial groups have honored several Muslims (whose courageous stories we have been able to confirm) as Righteous Gentiles. The Muslim rescuers include:

    the Bosnians Dervis & Servet Korkut, who sheltered a young Jewish woman resistance fighter named Mira Bakovic and saved the Sarajevo Haggadah, one of the most valuable Hebrew manuscripts in the world

    the Turk Selahattin Ulkumen, whose rescue of several dozen Jews from certain extermination at Auschwitz led to the death of his wife Mihrinissa when the Nazis retaliated against him

    the Albanian Refik Vesili who — as a 16-year-old — saved eight Jews by hiding them in his family’s mountain home.
    More recently, we have learned that the central Mosque of Paris served as a shelter for hundreds of French Jewish children being rescued from deportation to death camps.

    In addition to slighting the countless Muslims who rescued Jews, Iran’s Holocaust denial dishonors the hundreds of thousands of Muslim soldiers who helped liberate Europe during World War II. The majority of Allied troops that landed on the beaches of Provence in August, 1944 were “Free French” Muslims from North and West Africa. Thousands of Moroccan and Indian Muslim troops voluntarily served in the liberation of Italy. They risked and gave their lives along with Polish freedom fighters and American GIs at Monte Cassino. Tens of thousands more Soviet Muslim troops bravely served at hellish Stalingrad and Leningrad. All of us should honor and be thankful for their sacrifice in helping end the scourge of Nazism.

    By protecting the odious Danish cartoons as free speech, Europe for its part reneges on the moral and legal imperative of the Nuremberg tribunals that followed Nazism’s demise. Nuremberg — where the Allied Powers meted out justice in the wake of the Holocaust and World War II — taught us that we need to be ultra-vigilant about hateful incitement. Has Europe already forgotten? Has she developed a moral amnesia about the perils of dehumanizing her religious and ethnic minorities?

    On October 16, 1946, the victorious World War II Allies (led by America, France, and Britain) hanged Julius Streicher, the editor of the German newspaper Der Stürmer. Justice Robert Jackson of the US Supreme Court, who served as lead prosecutor in Streicher’s case at Nuremberg, convicted Streicher for “Crimes against Humanity.” Yet, Streicher had neither personally killed nor ordered the killing of anyone nor had he held a significant position in the Nazi regime.

    Streicher’s crime: He had published hateful, anti-Semitic editorials and cartoons in his newspaper in the late 1920s and early 1930s, well before the Nazis had embarked on their Final Solution. Because Streicher’s newspaper had dehumanized Jews, the Nuremberg tribunal reasoned that Streicher was complicit in the Holocaust and required a sentence of death at the gallows. Justice Jackson noted that the Allied powers were morally and legally bound forever to observe the same standards for which they hanged Julius Streicher. Jackson declared that if ever the Allies violated this “permanent benchmark for justice”, they would have committed “pure murder” at Nuremberg for condemning to death a German editor whose offense was publishing anti-Semitic editorials and cartoons.

    Both Europeans and Iranians should affirm the lessons of the Holocaust, and honor the legacy of the fight against Fascism. Europe should be reminded of her grave post-Nuremberg responsibility to protect her religious and ethnic minorities. Iranians should reflect on the great ethical, humane imperative of the Prophet Muhammad, and should seriously ask themselves: “What would Muhammad do?” And then they should do what Muhammad would have done: act with wisdom and not vengeance; show compassion and not malice.

    Ma’sood Cajee is a board member of the Muslim Peace Fellowship and a former board member of FOR. Cajee, a former California Endowment Scholar in Health Policy at Harvard University, is researching Muslim rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust. His essay “Mom raised me as a Zionist” appeared in Michael Wolfe’s award-winning anthology “Taking Back Islam” (Rodale Press, 2003).

    Muslims Who Fought Against the ‘Real’ Fascists

    by Sheila Musaji

    With the recent increase in the use of the misleading term Islamic Fascists it is important to point out a few facts. There may have been a few Muslims who cooperated with the Nazis/Fascists during the Second World War, but they were a small minority. Most Muslims followed the Qur’anic injunction:

    ”Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do” (Quran 4:135).

    The bottom line is that all of those who participate in, cooperate with, or do not speak out against evil (no matter what their religion) bring shame on the human race, and all of those who stand for justice and compassion give us all hope.

    Bulgarian Christians and Muslims protected Jews from the Nazis. Albania was the only Muslim majority country in Europe. Albania not only saved Albanian Jews from the Nazis, but, in fact, Albania was the only country in Europe that had a larger Jewish population at the end of the war than before the war. Not one Albanian Jew or any other Jew who came to Albania for protection was turned over to the Nazis.

    300,000 Moroccan Jews in Israel mourned the death of King Hassan of Jordan in 1999. His father, Mohammed V, is widely credited with having saved Morocco’s Jews from deportation during World War II, and Hassan continued the philo-Semitic policies of his father. Although there was an outbreak of anti-Jewish incidents following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the Jewish community was generally safe under the protection of both Mohammed and Hassan, who proudly considered the Jews “Moroccans of Jewish origin.

    Arabs and Jews once fought together under the British Flag against the Nazis in the Palestine Regiment.

    Noor Inayat Khan fought against the Nazis and was killed at Dachau concentration camp.

    The stories of Muslim rescuers of Jews are largely unknown and unpublished. Only in the past fifteen years have Holocaust researchers brought a few to the public’s attention. Yad Vashem and other Holocaust memorial groups have honored several Muslims (whose courageous stories we have been able to confirm) as Righteous Gentiles. The Muslim rescuers include:

    - The Bosnians Sarajevo Haggadah, concealing it in his home and thus keeping the 14th-century volume, the best known illuminated Hebrew manuscript, intact.
    ]Dervis & Servet Korkut[/url], who sheltered a young Jewish woman resistance fighter named Mira Bakovic and saved the Sarajevo Haggadah, one of the most valuable Hebrew manuscripts in the world

    - Selahattin Ulkumen, the Turkish Consul at Rhodes, whose rescue of several dozen Jews from certain extermination at Auschwitz led to the death of his wife Mihrinissa when the Nazis retaliated against him

    - The Albanian Refik Vesili who — as a 16-year-old — saved eight Jews by hiding them in his family’s mountain home.

    The Central Mosque of Paris served as a shelter for hundreds of French Jewish children being rescued from deportation to death camps. This mosque was built in the 1920s, as an expression of gratitude from France for the over half-million Muslims from its African possessions who fought alongside the French in the 1914-1918 war. About 100,000 of them died in the trenches. A film has been made about this called Their Children Are Like Our Own Children.

    The majority of Allied troops that landed on the beaches of Provence in August, 1944 were “Free French” Muslims from North and West Africa. Thousands of Moroccan and Indian Muslim troops voluntarily served in the liberation of Italy. They risked and gave their lives along with Polish freedom fighters and American GIs at Monte Cassino. Tens of thousands more Soviet Muslim troops bravely served at hellish Stalingrad and Leningrad. All of us should honor and be thankful for their sacrifice in helping end the scourge of Nazism.

    The bottom line is that all of those who participate in, cooperate with, or do not speak out against evil (no matter what their religion) bring shame on the human race. As the Qur’an warns us all: “Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do” (Quran 4:135).

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  5. zurizurowski says:
    April 9, 2008 at 5:20 am

    In response to

    a) Yes, I’ve noticed you have expanded your section on Bosnian Muslims by a few sentences. The book “The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia” by Anthony Sells that you mention in fact describes the genocide of Bosnian Muslims as committed by Serbs in the 1990s! This was a result of Serbian nationalism and Christoslavism, not of National Socialist ideology.

    I dare you to provide even one quote that “prolificly describes” the “Nazi atrocities against the Bosnians” from that book.

    You state that “there is ample evidence of the Bosnian partisans fighting the Nazis”. Of course there is ample evidence for that, and these partisans were -like their Croatian and Serbian comrades- Communists and anti-fascists fighting under the leadership of Josef Broz Tito. These Bosnians were not targeted by the Nazis for being “Untermenschen”, they were targeted because of their political activity.

    Lots of these partisans were massacred by Bosnian Muslims from the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar and smaller Bosnian Muslim SS units in what was the largest anti-partisan sweep in World War 2. Contrary to your claim, this and other predominately Muslim SS Units (and I could list quite a few) were not “forced to fight for the Nazis”, they existed entirely of VOLTUNTEERS who with the cooperation of Haki Amin al-Husseini had been convinced that the fight against Jewry was a fight for Islam.

    In December 1943, this “small SS unit”, as you call it, comprised of 21,065 men, 90% of which were Bosnian Muslims, the rest of which were Croatian Catholics. How much is 90% of 21,065? That’s a lot of “Untermenschen” employed in an elite Nazi organization such as the Waffen SS which represented the pinnacle of ideological and racial purity, don’t you think?

    The only historical data “unfortunately available on the net” is about the Bosnian Waffen SS units precisely because there was Bosnian Muslim collaboration with the Nazis, but there was NO NAZI GENOCIDE OF BOSNIANS for religious, ethnic, or racial reasons. Bosnian Muslims were welcomed by the Nazis with open arm, and many welcomed the Nazis with open arms. Those Bosnians who were murdered by the Nazis were murdered because they were anti-fascist partisans, not because they were “Untermenschen”, and they were largely murdered by pro-Nazi Bosnians.

    Just to illustrate my points, I’m providing you with a couple of links to film material and photo slideshows of Bosnian Muslims in World War Two:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtDZMt2hcX4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w09ux7wV8xQ&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rio5NKyfIA8&feature=related

    Since I have no option to integrate these clips in my comment, let me briefly summarize that in these videos you will witness among other things:

    -Bosnian Muslim Nazis of the Handzhar division in full Waffen SS regalia
    -Bosnian Muslim Nazis doing the Hitler salute
    -Bosnian Muslim Nazis praying in full Waffen SS regalia
    -Bosnian Muslim Nazis visited by Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler, the most savage
    anti-semite of them all
    -Bosnian Muslim Nazis studying anti-Jewish Nazi propaganda books such as “Judentum
    und Islam” (Jewry and Islam)

    In response to

    b) I have already mentioned in my last post that I will have to read up about said Mufti, which I am in the process of doing.
    I am not a Neocon, therefore it’s completely irrelevant to me what they say or “drum up”.
    Whether the Mufti enjoyed “little support in Palestine” or not I will find out, but he enjoyed enough support among Bosnian Muslims to convince tens of thousands of them to join the National Socialist Waffen SS.

    I find it curious, however, that you would employ a quote from Wikipedia to substantiate your claims. I remember you stated in your first reply to my suggestion that Bosnians might in fact not have been the target of Nazis that “Wikipedia is a blog” and not a sufficient source. Why quote from it now? ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ seems to be the message here.

    In response to c)

    What do you mean? Do you mean the National Socialist links with pan-Arabic movements and the Nazis’ plans to employ SS Einsatzgruppen in Palestine for anti-Jewish genocide? No wait… you must be referring to the links you posted about alleged “Jewish Nazis”, right? But I did respond to that: I said I will have a look at the links and read the texts, and I’m still in the process of doing so. Just one question: what exactly are these links supposed to illustrate, and how are they supposed to support your claim that Bosnians were targeted by Nazis as “Untermenschen”?

    Which reminds me: there’s a whole lot of questions I posed that you have not responded to. I have no choice but to ask at least some of them again: Is the Handzhar Waffen SS Unit a neo-con fabrication? Are documents of this division forgery? Are you calling a Waffen SS division actively targeting partisans (I could add: and committing atrocities against civilians) a “symbolic presence”? Who are you referring to as “the bigots”? Are you implying I am part of that group? Why set up a Bosnian division of what was an elitist Nazi organization (the Waffen SS) if the Nazis believed the Bosnians to be Untermenschen and therefore worthy of targeting?

    In response to

    d) About Michael Anthony Sells see my response to a)

    In response to the new links you have provided: thank you for these! I will read these texts and comment as soon as I can.

    Before we continue the debate, I would like to add something: I am not a racist or opposed to Islam more than I am against any other religion. My aim is not to insult your religious beliefs or your personality. I believed your claim about Bosnians in WW2 to be a mere error and wanted to help correct it. I would hate to see you trying to cover up or dismiss the participation of Bosnians in National Socialist warfare solely on the ground that they were Muslims, but as an optimist I believe you will not do that. Therefore I hope that we will eventually get as close to the truth as possible when evaluating each others arguments.

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  6. moinansari says:
    April 9, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    1 and 2) Your dare has been responded to in kind with actual quote from the book that I had mentioned. I could not upload last night. The two quotes have been posted in the main article for right now. They will eventualy be removed, but they are from Sells book which you said “was only about the recent genocide” (sorry I paraphrased).

    Glad to hear that you are not a racist. You do not have information on the Bosnian massacres which have been provided to you in three articles and two book references.

    I have made to references to the SS Waffen. If I discuss it I will have to do some research. Like I said my research from severla years ago is on a different computer. I would have loved to get my hands on it, but it is not here with me. I will post a new article on the subject in due course. You will have to wait on those questions. Sorry!

    Appropriate references on Nazi genocide of Bosnians have been posted. Michael Anthony Sells in his seminal book “The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia”. The Nazi murders of the Bonsian untermenchen is also archived in UN and Nuremeberg documents

    I used Wiki becuase this info was very basic and I supported it with two books

    The killing of the Bosnians has been minimized to create the hate for the Bosnians. As Sells say and others have also written, the Serbs and the Bosnians were BOTH killed–you have been swayed by Serb propoganda, perhaps you are Serb and want to justify the gencide agians the Bosnians. You have given no references to 20,000 and Bosnian strength in there. Yes the Bosnians were the untermenchen.

    We have now shown you enough references on the matter.

    The topic of discusison cannot be taken away from the crux of the article whice shows a history of Dansih Nazi and Fascist leanings. What happened in Bosnia has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. I am sorry, as interesting as the Mufti and Bosnians are you, the subject here is about Dansih bigotry.

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  7. Zuri Z says:
    April 14, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Sorry for replying so late. I was busy, and I have also found it increasingly disappointing to see how willing you are to go to great lengths to whitewash history instead of acknowledging the role of fascist Bosnian Muslims in WW2. Though I initially thought your statements were the result of mere error, I am now confident that you are simply not interested in acknowledging the truth if it doesn’t serve your agenda.

    >”1 and 2) Your dare has been responded to in kind with actual quote from the book that I had mentioned.”

    My dare has been responded to very inadequately. I have written in a previous message that the Bosnians killed by fascist forces were Communist/anti-fascist partisans under the leadership of Josip Broz Tito. These Bosnians were not killed for racial or religious reasons as the Nazis did not have an anti-Muslim or anti-Bosnian agenda. Regardless of whether they were Bosnian, Croatian, or Serbian, Tito’s partisans were murdered precisely because they were Communist partisans. Many of the fascist butchers who murdered them were Bosnian Muslims (organized in the ‘Handzhar’ and other Waffen SS units), others were Croatian Catholics, and others still were Serbian Chetniks who treated both Nazis and Communists as their enemies. The fascist Ustashe regime comprised both Croatian Catholics and Bosnian Muslims, and it is under this regime that hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, and Roma were murdered for racial reasons. Given these facts, it’s absurd and offensive to construct the notion that Bosnian Muslims were “the real Untermenschen”.

    There is absolutely nothing in the excerpts from Sells’s book that you provided to contradict this. Sells writes that

    “some (Bosnians) fought with the Ustashe, many with the Partisans, and many
    others were massacred by both Ustashe and Chetniks.”

    Why these Bosnians were killed by Ustashe and Chetniks, I have explained in the previous paragraph: because they were Communist Partisans, not because of their race or religion. If the Nazis had an anti-Muslim or anti-Bosnian racial agenda, it would have hardly been possible for Bosnians to join the Ustashe or the Nazi Waffen SS. To claim otherwise is completely absurd.

    “Indeed, the proportion of Bosnian Muslims killed in Word War II rivaled that of
    the Bosnian Serbs”

    I have no numbers to confirm or contradict this claim, and quite frankly I would be nitpicking if I was to compare the numbers Serbian Partisans/civilists and Bosnian Partisans killed by fascists. The fact remains that being a Serb or a Jew was sufficient reason to get murdered by Ustashe/Nazis while a Bosnian of Muslim background would have had to be involved with the Communist-led Partisan resistance to risk being killed. The other fact remains that many of the fascists murderers were Bosnian Muslims. I differentiate between “Bosnians of Muslim background” and “Bosnian Muslims” because the anti-religious nature of Communism gives me reason to strongly doubt the religious commitment of those Bosnians involved with Tito’s Partisan resistance, although I haven’t got enough information on this to be certain. As for those Bosnian Muslims organized in Nazi formations, well I think we’ve both seen the images of praying Muslim SS troopers.

    Furthermore, Wells states that in the 1990s

    “Serb nationalists would shift to blaming all Muslims for the acts of those who
    fought with the Ustashe in World War II.”

    I completely agree with that: Serb nationalists have instrumentalized certain facts about Bosnian Nazi involvement, placing a sort of collective ethnic responsibility on Bosnians to justify Serbian acts of genocide in the 90s. I wouldn’t dream of blaming ALL Bosnians or ALL Muslims for the acts of Muslim Nazis and collaborators in WW2, but by the same token, I wouldn’t dream of whitewashing all Muslim Bosnians from Nazi collaboration, and much less will I buy into ridiculous claims about Muslims/Bosnians being “Untermenschen”. The hundreds of thousands Bosnian Muslims who helped the Nazis to perpetuate their genocidal policies in WW2 deserve the blame placed on them, and your attempts at turning victimizers into victims are an insult to those who were actually murdered under Nazi rule. Mile Budak, a minister in the Ustashe government, was quite clear in stating just who the Untermenschen were when he said “for minorities such as Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies we have three million bullets.”

    >”Appropriate references on Nazi genocide of Bosnians have been posted. Michael Anthony Sells in his seminal book “The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia’”

    NO! “Genocide” means ethnically or racially motivated mass murder. It does not mean the mass murder of Communist partisans as committed by Christian and Muslim fascists.

    As you might have noticed by now, I have not been “swayed by Serb propaganda” – I am appalled by the Serb genocide of Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s as I am appalled by the genocide of Serbs, Jews and Roma in WW2. And as much as it is inevitable that Serb nationalists deny much of what happened in the 1990s, I am not surprised that Muslim apologists deny Bosnian involvement in Nazi crimes in WW2.

    As for your suggesting that I might be a Serb: my ethnicity has no importance whatsoever, and therefore you don’t deserve a straight answer to this. I would be tempted to think of your assumption as borderline racist, but I prefer to think that you are simply unaware of your delusions about anyone who refuses to confirm your biased “interpretations” of history. Your mentality is “if it runs contrary to my propaganda, it must be somebody else’s propaganda”. I have a feeling this is also the reason why you have previously presented me with links to fables about “Jewish Nazis” that were only vaguely related to your claim and my counterclaim – did you think I had a Zionist agenda? Next up, you probe whether I’m a Serb. What now? Am I perhaps a Communist because I acknowledge that anti-fascist resistance in Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia was led by Communists?

    Seriously: can you imagine a Jewish Waffen SS division? Or a Roma Waffen SS division? Or even a Polish Waffen SS division? No? What does that tell you about whom the Nazis really regarded as “Untermenschen”? I recommend Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” as a good primary source.

    >”The topic of discussion cannot be taken away from the crux of the article whice shows a history of Danish Nazi and Fascist leanings. What happened in Bosnia has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. I am sorry, as interesting as the Mufti and Bosnians are you, the subject here is about Dansih bigotry.”

    I appreciate the fact that your prime goal was to expose “Danish Bigotry” and establish a very shaky construct that somehow links Danish Nazi collaborators to Dutch cartoonists (the latter of which are of no interest to me). In order to illustrate your claims about “the Danes” being generally very right-wing you have uploaded images of a bunch of neo-Nazi skinhead thugs such as they exist in every white majority country in the world, whether that country has a Nazi past or not (interesting fact: today most of the world’s neo-Nazi skinheads are found in Russia, which has suffered 20 Million deaths due to NS aggression in World War 2).

    But as long as you continue to post untruths about Bosnian Muslims being “Untermenschen” and victims of Nazi genocide rather than involved in NS crimes (or “forced” to participate), you have to be prepared for readers paying particular attention to such details and contradicting you. Whatever notions you wish to establish with your article, it doesn’t help your cause if you aren’t being truthful about inconvenient facts.

    What happened in Bosnia might have nothing to do with the price of rice in China, but if if you -metaphorically speaking- give wrong information about the price of rice in China to establish your overall argument, this information needs to be challenged.

    Of course, I am wondering if it makes any sense to continue this as I have a feeling you will insist on the Bosnian’s “Untermenschen” status no matter what. I have presented you with pictures and film material of sieg-heiling Bosnian Muslim SS troopers, and yet you still claim they were in fact victims of Nazi genocide.
    Would you please provide me with even one Nazi quote that states Bosnian Muslims -or in fact any Muslims at all- were “Untermenschen”?

    Today, I will leave you with a quote from the Albert Speer’s autobiography “Inside The Third Reich”. Speer was the German armaments minister in WW2, and at the same time one of Hitler’s closest friends and associates. I’m not quoting him in order to “prove” anything in regards to Bosnian Muslims in WW2. The point is merely to demonstrate that even Hitler himself wasn’t adverse to Islam at all – on the contrary. Even today, some more sophisticated and historically knowledgeable currents within the international Neo-Nazi movement are rather sympathetic towards Islam. The boneheaded Danish thugs seen on the pictures that you posted, of course, are not.

    “Hitler concluded his historic speculation by remarking: ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?’”

    (Albert Speer: Inside The Third Reich, 1970, pp 149-150)

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  8. moinansari says:
    April 14, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    First you dared me produce a ref.

    I then produced tow references which you dscarded.

    I then submitted that actual quote of Nazi atrocities against the Muslims…even though this was not the main thesis of my article or my research.

    “Indeed, the proportion of Bosnian Muslims killed in Word War II rivaled that of the Bosnian Serbs”

    You claimed genocide against the Serbs. I produced doucmentation which says (as my original thesis contended) that the genocide was also undertaken against the Muslims…in various parts of Europe and elsewhere.

    You have not produced any references to contradict the claim. So the claim stands. I do not want to get into a Bosnian discussion.

    We are sure you will never accept that the main reason for the anti-Muslim bias in Denmark is the racial superiority and Anti-Semitism that is now mushrooming in the form of “Islamphobia”. QED.

    This was my thesis and have adequate backing on this thesis. Like I said I also have other information, but I have to dig it out, and don’t have the time right now!

    Was Sallam

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  9. Zuri Z says:
    April 15, 2008 at 7:31 am

    “Indeed, the proportion of Bosnian Muslims killed in World War II rivaled that of the Bosnian Serbs” – I think I have examined this quote in detail in my previous email, almost to the point of repeating myself. But I’ll say it extra slow just for you: “THESE BOSNIANS WERE COMMUNIST PARTISANS, UNLIKE MOST SERBS WHO WERE KILLED FOR ETHNIC REASONS”. And again: “MANY OF THOSE WHO KILLED BOSNIAN PARTISANS WERE BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI COLLABORATORS”. The killings of Bosnian Partisans had NOTHING to do with the issues of RACE, ETHNICITY, or RELIGION. Bosnian Muslims had a choice whether they wanted to be with or against the Nazis. They could join the SS if they wanted to, and many of them did. Serbs, Jews, and Roma didn’t have that option.

    I can see why you don’t want to get into a Bosnian discussion; evidently, you will defend Muslims even if they were Nazis and participated in genocide. In your view, a “Nazi” is only bad if he has an anti-Muslim agenda. Which, as we both know, the real Nazis didn’t. On the contrary.

    I’m ending this discussion as you seem immune to the most obvious truths, and you will continue deliberately posting untruths as long as they serve your agenda. At first, I hoped you would eventually become aware of the distortions in your thinking, but now I know you’re very well aware what you’re doing and why you’re doing it.

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  10. moinansari says:
    April 15, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Just because you say it slowly does not make it so!

    CAPITALIZATION DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT.
    There were Brits, an American, Kiwis, New Zealanders, Canadians, Croats, Albanians, French, Indians and damn near every other country in Europe that had troops in the SS. Later there were SS Freiwilligenverbände (volunteers) from countries and regions such as Albania, Armenia, Australia (within the Britisches_Freikorps), Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Belorussia, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Finland, Georgia, Great Britain (Britisches_Freikorps), Hungary, India, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, New Zealand (within the Britisches_Freikorps), North Caucasus, Norway, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sudetenland, Sweden, Switzerland and the Ukraine. (wikipedia)

    When you are loosing the war and are out numbered 50-1, you start to forget about ethnicity. If they are willing to fight for you, you give them a gun and send them to the front. Some countries saw these men as heroes, some as Villians. Depends on the reason for joining and where they fought.
    Some were fighting for freedom, some against Communism, others were just thugs.

    On the SS Divisoin which you called “Bosnian”, here are the facts:
    It was formed almost at the end of the war when the Germans were desperate for volunteers.
    13th SS Mountain Division “Handshar”. In fact Hanjar is Turkish for Scimita. That division was made up of mostly Bosnian Muslims and some Croats. Ironically because it was mostly Bosnijak and most Bosnijaks are ethnically Serbian, you could almost call it a Serbian unit!

    I have added the information on the Croation and Serbian SS Divisoin in the Appendix of the article also. Croatians are Neo Nazis and have pride in their “white” race
    We don’t see any Neo Nazis in Bosnia.

    Country/Ethnicity Estimated # of volunteers Waffen-SS Units
    Albanian 3,000 21st SS Division
    Belgian: Flemish 23,000 5th SS Div., 27th SS Div.

    Belgium: Walloon 15,000 5th SS Div., 28th SS Div.
    British Commonwealth (English) 50 British Freikorps

    Bulgaria 200-1,000? Bulgarisches Reg.

    Croatia (includes Bosnian Muslims) 30,000 7th SS Div., 13th SS Div.
    23rd SS Div.
    Denmark 10,000 Freikorps Danemark, 11th SS Div.

    Indian 3,500 Volunteer Leg.

    Estonia 20,000 20th SS Div.

    Finland 1,000 Volunteer Bat.

    Hungarians 15,000? 25th SS Div., 26th SS Div.
    33rd SS Div.
    Latvia 39,000 15th SS Div., 19th SS Div.

    Netherlands 50,000 23rd SS Div., 34th SS Div.

    Norway 6,000 5th SS Div., 6th SS Div.
    11th SS Div., Volunteer Leg.

    France 8,000 33rd SS Div.

    Italy 20,000 29th SS (Italian)

    Poland/Ukraine 25,000 14th SS Div.

    Russian (Belorussia) 12,000 29th SS Div., 30th SS Div.

    Russian (Cossak) 40,000 XV SS Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps

    Russian (Turkic) 8,000 Ostürkische SS , Tatarishe SS

    Rumania 3,000? Waffen-Grenadierregiment der SS (rumänisches 1)

    Serbia 15,000 Volunteer Corps
    There was a Serbian Volunteer Corps that fought against communist partisans

    Spain 200 – 1,000? Spanische-Freiwilligen-Kompanie der SS 101

    Sweden, Switzerland & Luxemburg 3,000?* 5th SS Div., 11th SS Div.
    Note: W-SS veteran and historian Wilhelm Tieke claims only 175 Swedes served in the W-SS 1940-45 and that the “Swedish company” in the 11th SS actually had many “Estonian Swedes”.

    Serbian SS division emblem

    ——————————————————————————–

    Serbisches Freiwilligen Korps der SS was formed Nov 1944 when the command of Srpska Dobrovoljacki Korpus (Serbian Volunteer Corps) was transferred to the Waffen-SS.
    Srpska Dobrovoljacki Korpus, SDK, (Serbian Volunteer Corps) was formed Sep 1941 as the Srpska Dobrovoljacki Komanda (Serbian Volunteer Command). Most of its members came from the fascist Zbor party. It was renamed SDK Jan 1943.
    It retreated from Serbia to Slovenia Oct 1944.

    Commanders:

    General Kosta Musicki 16.Sep.1941-27.Mar.1945
    General Damjanovic 27.Mar.1945-04.May.1945

    Order of Battle (Jan 1943)
    1. Battalion
    3 x Companies
    2. Battalion
    3 x Companies
    3. Battalion
    3 x Companies
    4. Battalion
    3 x Companies
    5. Battalion
    3 x Companies

    Order of Battle (1944)
    1. Regiment
    3 x Battalions
    2. Regiment
    3 x Battalions
    3. Regiment
    3 x Battalions
    4. Regiment
    3 x Battalions
    5. Regiment
    3 x Battalions

    From 620 A.D. to 1180 A.D. the leaders of Bosnia chose to aligned themselves closer with Croats than with Serbs. The leaders of Bosnia took the title of Ban instead of Grand Zupan, which was the title Serb leaders took. Also the majority of the population was Catholic at this time instead of Orthodox. Serbs moved into Bosnia, but were a minority compared to the number of Croats living in Bosnia. Yet, they did convert many people people living in Bosnia into becoming Orthodox Christians.

    The only conclusion that we can make about the people of Bosnia during the Middle Ages (1000 A.D. to 1400 A.D.) was that they were Slavic in origin and their ethnic make up was mixed with Serb blood and Croat blood. Between the fourteenth century and the the 20th century Bosnia would be ruled by two invading empires and would become part of a newly formed independent Yugoslavia in the 20th century.

    The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes was created in 1918. Bosnia-Herzegovina became part of this newly formed kingdom, yet they were not recognized in the official name of the country. In 1929 after political unrest the country was renamed Yugoslavia in order to unite all the Slavic people in the Balkans. The hatred between Serbs and Croats intensified as each group fought for control of the country. During World War II a Civil War for control of Yugoslavia took place between the Croatian Ustashe and the Serbian Cetniks.

    Each group committed war crimes against each other. A third group led by a Slovenian Croat named Josip Tito fought both the Ustashe and the Cetniks for total control of Yugoslavia. Tito’s Partisians won the war and he established a communist Yugoslavia that would recognized six republics within its borders. Tito held tight control over Yugoslavia. He knew any sign of weakness would unravel the nation into another civil war. Tito made sure that Belgrade, Serbia would be the capital and the army would be made up of mostly Serbian military leaders. The economic sector of Yugoslavia would be located in Croatia and Slovenia. During Tito reign as dictator of Yugoslavia he cut ties with the Soviet Union and made economic alliances with European nations and the United States. Tito however had a difficult time keeping Bosnian Muslim activist under control. Muslims won many rights and developed an ethnic and political presence under Tito.

    By recongnizing Bosnian Muslims as an ethnic minority Tito intensified the hatred Serbs had for Bosnian Muslims. Serbs thought it was a slap in the face to them and disrespectful to give political rights to those who betrayed the Slavic race by converting to Islam. Tito died in 1980 and Yugoslavia had new leaders on yearly basis. All six republics tried to gain more and more control of economic and political control of Yugoslavia. Unfair treatment of Bosnian Muslims in Yugoslavia continued to grow because Serbian nationalism was growing stronger throughout Bosnia and Serbia.

    Many Bosnian Muslims were part of Titos partisans and eventualy became an integral part of the Tito regime.

    In fact during the current genocide of the Bosnians there was a huge debate if the Bosnians were ethnically Serbs or Croats. The Nazi racists would never accept Non-Christian “darker” skinned non-Aryans as their equals. When I visited Yugoslavia about three decades ago, the there was no difference between the Serbs, Bosnians and the Croats they were fully integrated under Tito. In fact we could not even find a mosque in Sirjevo on Edi Day (end of Ramadhan)…not did we find any worshippers or peole who fasted.

    It was the Serbs who told the people living in Sirajevo and Serbenca etc that they were Muslims and were being killed becuase they were Muslims.

    For the nth time, as interested as you are in the Bosnian question, the thrust of the article was about Danish roots in Naziism, not Bosnians which make up a very very tiny minority of Muslims in the world.

    Denmark on the ohter hand is replete with Nazi symbols and language.

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  11. moinansari says:
    April 15, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Here are detial on the Serbian Forces fighting the Partisans:

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Lineage SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division

    SS-Freiwilligen-Division ‘Prinz Eugen”

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Traditions The title Prinz Eugen comes from the German spelling of the name Francois Eugene, Prince of Savoy, who lived from 1663 to 1736. Born in Paris, France, Eugene is known to history as being one of the greatest European soldiers of all time. After being refused a commission in the French army by King Louis XIV, Eugene entered the service of the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I in 1683, to fight against the Ottoman Turks Made field marshal in 1693, Prince Eugene was the commander and diplomat who led the military campaigns that would lay the foundations for Habsburg power in central Europe. He fought the Turks at Vienna, and helped to establish the Austrio-Hungarian empire. He also fought against France in two wars, and while in command of the imperial army he helped Marlborough in several battles during the War of the Spanish succession. Later, Prince Eugene won several further victories against the Turks, capturing Belgrade in 1718.
    History After a fairly long process of attempting to form an SS Division from the rather large Volksdeutsche community living outside of Germany, and not to meerly incorporate them into other various Wermacht units, Gottlob Berger (As head of the SS recruiting office) managed to help secure the 7th Division of the SS. The 7th Division of the SS was formed from the Volksdeutsche living in the Serbian and Croatian areas of Yugoslavia through volunteers, and then through conscription. The Division was initially established in March of 1942 from a SS Selbstschutz (SS Protection Force) and the Einsatz-Staffel (Also called Prinz Eugen) from Croatia.

    In the early months of the Divisions History, it was found stuggling to fill its ranks through the use of volunteers alone, and soon consciption was used to finish the Division, eventually gaining some 21,500 members.

    The 7th Division of the SS was designed for anti-partisan warfare in the Balkan region, and it was during such operations in October, 1942, that the Division first saw action near the Serbian-Montenegro border in mountains east of the Ibar River. Soon after this action, the Division was transfered to the Zagreb-Karlovac area and took part in Operation White with other German units. Operation White was one of the many major anti-partisan operations in the Balkan Region aimed at destroying Tito’s resistance movement. This operation proved to be a failure though, and Tito’s forces managed to evade the brunt of the German offensive.

    Throughout the next few months, the Division was placed under Army Group E, and in May, 1942, the Division took part in more anti-partisan operations, this time during Operation Black. After Black, elements of the Division were sent to North of Sarajevo, and later, the Division was sent to Mostar.

    Next, the Division saw service on the Dalmation Coast while disarming Italian soldiers in September, 1943. After helping to disarm Italians, the 7th SS helped occupy the Brac, Hvar and Korcula Islands and the Peljesac Peninsula. In December, 1943, the 7th SS once more was in action against Tito’s forces, and once more, the actions proved less-than-promising.

    In January, 1944, the 7th SS Division was transfered to the Split, Dubrovnik area for more training at which time the Division was also reorganized. Prinz Eugen was transfered back to the Bosnia area in March, 1944, and continued its part in anti-partisan operations. In May, 1944, the 7th fough again against Tito’s partisans near Drvar. Next, the Division was moved and fought against Russian and Bulgarian units in August, 1944. At this time, the Division suffered greatly and took a good deal of casualties.

    In September, 1944, the Division saw action in what was probably its most important role so far. Prinz Eugen, along with elements of other Waffen SS units helped to hold a vital bridgehead in the Vardar Corridor in Macedonia so as to help 350,000 German soldiers escape from possible encirclement by the advancing Soviets. The 350,000 German soldiers were attempting to move north from occupation duties in the Aegean and Greek regions of the Balkans. Prinz Eugen was badly mauled, but the operation proved to be a success. After helping hold the line in the Vardar corridor, the Division took part in many rear-guard actions resulting in a long retreat from Cacak all the way to Brcko and over the Drina.

    In January, 1945, the Division fought partisans near Otok, and later was sent to the area of Vukovar where it fought again against advancing Soviet forces, and Tito’s partisans. From February, 1945 to April, 1945, the Division was in action against the Partisans and the Soviets, finally ending the War in Slovenia and being taken by the Yugoslav government.

    Organization General Composition
    SS Mountain Infantry Regiment 1
    SS Mountain Infantry Regiment 2
    SS Motorcycle Battalion
    SS Cavalry Battalion
    SS Panzer Battalion
    SS Mountain Artillery Regiment
    SS Engineer Battalion
    SS Intelligence Battalion
    SS Mountain Jager Replacement Battalion
    Supply troops

    Later, the following were added:

    SS Reconnaissance Battalion
    SS Panzerjager Battalion
    SS Motorcycle Rifle Battalion
    SS Flak Unit

    Its final compostion was as follows:

    SS Volunteer Mountain Jager Regiment 13 “Arthur Phelps”
    SS Volunteer Mountain Jager Regiment 14 “Skanderbeg”
    SS Volunteer Mountain Artillery Regiment 7
    SS Panzer Unit 7
    SS Panzer Company
    SS Mountain Panzerjager Unit 7
    SS Cavalry Unit 7
    SS Assault Gun Battery 7
    SS Flak Unit 7
    SS Flak Company
    SS Mountain Intelligence Unit 7
    SS Volunteer Mountain Reconnaissance Unit 7 (mot)
    SS Panzer Reconnaissance Platoon
    SS Cycle Battalion
    SS Cycle Reconnaissance Unit 7
    SS Mountain Engineer Battalion
    SS Mountain Rifle Battlion
    SS Supply Company 7
    SS Repair Shop Company/Platoon
    SS Storekeeping Battalion 7
    SS Medical Unit 7
    SS Volunteer Mountain Veterinary Company 7
    SS Volunteer Mountain Intelligence Platoon 7
    SS Propaganda Platoon
    SS Field Police Platoon 7
    SS Field Replacement Battalion 7
    SS Repair Unit 7
    SS Geological Battalion

    Commanders Obergruppenführer Arthur Phelps, 1.30.42 – 5.15.43
    Brigadeführer Karl Reichsritter von Oberkamp, 5.15.43 – 1.30.44
    Brigadeführer Otto Kumm, 1.30.44 – 1.20.45
    Brigadeführer August Schmidthuber, 1.20.45 – 5.8.45

    War Service Date Corps Army Army Group Area
    11.42 – 12.42 Gen. Serbien 12. Armee – Serbia
    1.43 Befehlshaber Serbien 12. Armee – Serbia
    2.43 – 8.43 Befehlshaber Kroatien – E Croatia
    9.43 – 11.43 XV 2. Pz. Armee F Split
    12.43 V. SS 2. Pz. Armee F Sarajevo
    1.44 – 7.44 V. SS 2. Pz. Armee F Croatia
    8.44 – 9.44 V. SS 2. Pz. Armee F Serbia
    10.44 Müller Serbien F Serbia (Nisch)
    11.44 Müller E F Croatia
    12.44 – 1.45 XXXIV E F Croatia
    2.45 LXXXXI E F Croatia
    3.45 – 4.45 XXI E F Agram
    5.45 LXIX – OB Südost Cilli

    http://www.feldgrau.com/7ss.html

    Also:

    http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1971

    7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Division Prinz Eugen

    by Miha Grcar

    The Division was formed on March 1942 from Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans) from Croatia, Serbia (Banat), Hungary and Romania (Siebenbürg). In its innitial phases all soldiers were volunteers but this later changed when conscription was introduced. The unit itself was formed from a SS Selbstschutz (SS Protection Force) and the Einsatz-Staffel (ES) (Also called Prinz Eugen) from Croatia and named SS-Freiwilligen-Division Prinz Eugen.

    The Gebirgs Division was forming up until autumn 1942 when it gathered some 21.500 soldiers. Its weaponry was mainly composed of captured equipment such as Czech machine guns and French light tanks. When the forming was complete it was designated to the Balkans as an anti-partisan mountain division – the fist such division in Yugoslavia since 1941.

    The first actions Prinz Eugen participated in were near the Serbian-Montenegro border in the mountains east of the Ibar River. Soon afterwards, it was transferred to the Zagreb-Karlovac area, where it took part in operation Weiß which in conjunction with the Italian forces aimed at the annihilation of Tito’s partisans. Weiß I lasted from 20 January – 15 February 1943, Weiß II from 25 February to mid-March 1943, while Weiß III was cancelled. The operation didn’t achieve its goals and most of the partisans managed to evade the main attack. In May the division participated in another offensive, this time against the Serbian guerilla forces under General Draza Mihailovi? in Hercegovina and Montenegro. Operation Schwarz began on 15 May and ended on 15 June 1943. Prinz Eugen advanced alongside the 1. Gebirgs-Division, elements of the “Brandenburg” Regiment, 369. (Kroatische) Infanterie-Division, 118. Jäger-Division and 104. Jäger-Division. The Division attacked Mostar in Hercegovina and also deployed battalion strength elements northwest of Sarajevo. The operation was succesfull and Mihailovi? had to retreat to Serbia with the remains of his forces. The Division was later accoused of many warcrimes towards civilians during the latter operation. In August 1943, Prinz Eugen became a part of the XV Gebirgs-Armeekorps and was sent to the Dalmatian coast. After it disarmed the Italian forces in September, it helped to occupy the Hvar, Brac and Korcula islands and the Pelješac peninsula. From there the unit was taking part in another anti-partisan action in Makarska littoral from Omis to Ploce and Biokovo named Landsturm.

    The Division was reorganised on 22 October 1943 and was renamed to 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen. In November the unit subordinated itself to the V SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgskorps and took part in anti-partisan sweeps Kugelblitz (6 Dec 1943) and Schneesturm. In January 1944, the 7th SS was transferred to the Split and Dubrovnik areas for training and to finish the reorganisation. They were once again ready for action in March (when they launched a “purge action” from Sinj resulting in massacres of civilians) and again took part in anti-partisan sweeps such as Maibaum on 23 April 1944. The next big offensive, in which Prinz Eugen participated, was the assault on Drvar, codenamed Rösselsprung, which began on 25 May 1944. The goals of this operation were to kill or capture Tito on the Drvar island with the SS-Fallschirmjäger-Bataillon 500, the 1. Brandenburg Regiment of the Division Brandenberg and other units with a massive support of the Luftwaffe. After Drvar the SS-Gebirgs-Division was sent to more anti-partisan operations. In May the Division also saw action in operations Waldrausch, Freie Jagd in June and July and Rübezahl (12 Aug – 30 Aug 1944), which prevented the partisans from moving into Montenegro. During that time the Red Army advanced to the Balkans and the division began fighting Russian and Bulgarian units suffering heavy casualties in the process.

    On 21 September 1944, SS-Obergruppenführer Artur Phleps, the division’s first commander was believed to have been killed when en route from Montenegro to Transylvania, where he was to form a frontline against the Red Army. Regiment 13 of the Division received the honour title “Artur Phleps” on 13 November 1944. It was at that time that the division saw action in one of the most crucial operations in the Balkans so far. Linking up with 13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Handschar (kroatische Nr. 1), the remnants of the 23. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Kama (kroatische Nr. 2) and 21. SS Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Skanderbeg (albanische Nr. 1), Prinz Eugen created the Vardar corridor in Macedonia allowing the retreat north of 350,000 German soldiers from occupation duties in the Aegean and Greek regions. While fighting in the bridgehead they became subordinated to the Armeekorps Müller under Generaloberst Alexander Löhr’s Heeresgruppe E. On 20 October 1944, the Red Army captured Belgrade and Prinz Eugen retreated through ?a?ak, Užice, Bajina Basta, Ljubovija, Zvornik, Bijeljina, to Br?ko and over Drina, acting as a rear-guard to the German retreat. Due to heavy casualties the divisional SS-Kavallerie-Abteilung 7 was disbanded.

    In the beginning of November the “SS Skanderberg” Division was disbanded and its remnants incorporated into the 14. Regiment of Prinz Eugen, which received its honour title “Skanderbeg”. The fighting around Nišch in October caused the unit some heavy casualties and the the 7th SS was sent for refreshing. In January 1945 the Division once again fought the Red Army and Tito’s partisans around Otok and Vukovar. The retreat from Bosnia continued and Prinz Eugen soon retreated to Croatia in April, where it was to hold its positions south of Karlovac on 2 May 1945. On 10 May 1945 the Division retreated towards Celje in Slovenia where it surrendered on 11 May 1945 to Yugoslav forces.

    This unit took part in anti-partisan operations in Croatia.

    Lineage
    Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division (Mar 1942 – Apr 1942)
    SS-Freiwilligen-Division Prinz Eugen (Apr 1942 – Oct 1942)
    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen (Oct 1942 – Oct 1943)
    7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen (Oct 1943 – May 1945)

    Commanders
    SS-Obergruppenführer Arthur Phelps (30 Jan 1942 – 15 May 1943)
    SS-Brigadeführer Karl Reichsritter von Oberkamp (15 May 1943 – 30 Jan 1944)
    SS-Brigadeführer Otto Kumm (30 Jan 1944 – 20 Jan 1945)
    SS-Brigadeführer August Schmidthuber (20 Jan 1945 – 8 May 1945)

    Chief of Staff
    SS-Hauptsturmführer Erich Eberhardt (1 Mar 1942 – ? June 1943)
    SS-Sturmbannführer Herbert Wachsmann (? June 1943 – 1 Aug 1944)
    SS-Sturmbannführer Friedrich Christoph (? 1945 – 1 Mar 1945)
    SS-Sturmbannführer Josef Sepp Niedermayer (? 1945 – ? May 1945)

    Quartermaster
    SS-Hauptsturmführer Schmidt (1 Mar 1942 – 2 July 1943)
    SS-Sturmbannführer Robert Zeller (? 1943 – 22 Oct 1943)
    SS-Hauptsturmführer Fritz Greindl (? – 1 Aug 1944)
    SS-Hauptsturmführer Hannes Richter (? – 1 Mar 1945)

    Area of operations
    Balkans (Jan 1942 – Apr 1945)
    Austria (Apr 1945 – May 1945)

    Subordination
    12. Armee (Nov 1942 – Jan 1943)
    Heeresgruppe E (Feb 1943 – Aug 1943)
    XV Korps (Sep 1943 – Nov 1943)
    V. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Korps (Dec 1943 – Sep 1944)
    Armeekorps Müller (Oct 1944 – Nov 1944)
    XXXIV Korps (Dec 1944 – Jan 1945)
    LXXXXI Korps (Feb 1945)
    XXI Korps (Mar 1945)
    LXIX Korps (Apr 1945)

    Manpower strength
    Dec 1942 19.835
    Dec 1943 21.120
    June 1944 18.835
    Dec 1944 20.000

    Holders of high awards

    Holders of the Knight’s Cross

    Holders of the German Cross

    Order of battle (Dec 1942)

    SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 1

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 2

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Artillerie-Regiment

    1. Abteilung

    2. Abteilung

    3. Abteilung

    4. Abteilung

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Aufklärungs-Abteilung

    SS-Kradschütz-Battaillon

    SS-Panzer-Abteilung

    SS-Panzerjäger-Abteilung

    SS-Gebirgs-Pionier-Battaillon

    SS-Gebirgs-Flak-Abteilung

    SS-Radfahr-Battaillon

    SS-Kavallerie-Abteilung

    SS-Gebirgs-Nachrichten-Abteilung

    SS-Gebirgs-Feldersatz-Battaillon

    SS-Sanitäts-Abteilung

    SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Veterinär-Kompanie 7

    SS-Divisions-Versorgungs-Truppen

    Order of battle (22 Oct 1943)

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 13 “Artur Phlebs”

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 14 “Skanderberg”

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Artillerie-Regiment 7

    1. Abteilung

    2. Abteilung

    3. Abteilung

    4. Abteilung

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Aufklärungs-Abteilung (mot) 7

    SS-Panzer-Abteilung 7

    SS-Panzerjäger-Abteilung 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Pionier-Battaillon 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Flak-Abteilung 7

    SS-Radfahr-Battailon 7

    SS-Kavallerie-Abteilung 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Nachrichten-Abteilung 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Feldersatz-Battaillon 7

    SS-Sanitäts-Abteilung 7

    SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Veterinär-Kompanie 7

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Kriegsberichter-Zug 7

    SS-Divisions Versorgungs Truppen 7

    Order of battle (1944)

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 13 “Artur Phleps”

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigsjäger-Regiment 14 “Skanderbeg”

    3x Gebirgsjäger Battaillon

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Artillerie-Regiment 7

    1. Abteilung

    2. Abteilung

    3. Abteilung

    4. Abteilung

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Aufklärungs-Abteilung (mot) 7

    SS-Panzer-Abteilung 7

    SS-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Zug

    SS-Gebirgs-Panzerjäger-Abteilung 7

    SS-Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Pionier-Battaillon 7

    SS-Flak-Abteilung 7

    SS-Radfahr-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 7

    SS-Kavallerie-Abteilung 7

    SS-Kradschützen-Battalion 7

    SS-Gebirgs-Nachrichten-Abteilung 7

    SS-Feldersatz-Abteilung 7

    SS-Sanitäts-Abteilung 7

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Veterinär-Kompanie 7

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Kriegsberichter-Zug 7

    SS-Propaganda-Zug

    SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7

    SS-Werkstatt-Kompanie

    SS-Nachshub-Kompanie 7

    SS-Instandsetzung-Abteilung 7

    SS-Wirtschafts-Battaillon 7

    SS-Wehrgeologisches-Battaillon

    Insignia

    The “Prinz Eugen” cuff title was authorized for this unit.

    Photo © Relics of the Reich

    The “Arthur Phelps” cuff title was authorized for SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 13 Artur Phleps from 13 Nov 1944.

    Reference material on this unit

    Thomas Casagrande – Die volksdeutsche SS-Division ‘Prinz Eugen’

    Otto Kumm – 7. SS-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen” im Bild

    Otto Kumm – The History of the 7. SS Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen”

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  12. moinansari says:
    April 15, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    THE SERBIAN SS UNITS WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE GERMAN ARMY

    Though often protrayed as an elite combat force, Heinrich Himmler’s Waffen SS only became a major player on the battlefield relatively late in World War II. The General SS had only a political role and thus its men had no exemption from conscription. Many SS men avoided the army through the loophole that kept police out of the draft pool, and using SS units for occupation and security duties helped Himmler build his political and economic empire.

    While some SS units saw front-line combat from the start of Operation Barbarossa, most of those sent into the Soviet Union after 22 June 1941 were intended as security troops. They would suppress resistance, mop up bypassed Red Army units, and most importantly in Himmler’s eyes, carry out the slaughter of Jews. Many of these units found themselves pressed into front-line combat during the Soviet winter offensive of 1941-1942, and when spring came the SS began to expand its combat role.

    Still denied access to the general German draft pool, the SS turned to other sources of manpower. Ethnic Germans, or Volksdeutsche, formed part of the “Great German nation” under Adolf Hitler’s racist ideology, yet were not subject to conscription by the regular German armed forces under German law and such a draft was forbidden under international law. As early as August 1940, Himmler’s recruiting chief, Gottlieb Burger, recommended that the Waffen SS seek volunteers among the Volksdeutsche of occupied Yugoslavia.

    An Austrian-made ADGZ armored car
    of the 7th SS Mountain Division.

    Himmler approved the proposal in March 1942, authorizing formation of an SS mountain division from Volksdeutsche recruited in Serbia. The Germans did not yet press their recruiting efforts in the Italian-occupied zones of Yugoslavia, or the puppet state of Croatia. The most successful recruiting drive came in Romanian southern Transylvania, where Burger’s son-in-law, Andreas Schmidt, headed the SS political organization. Most of the new mountain division’s recruits came from Transylvania but as a sop to the Romanian government’s pride they were described as having come from Serbia in SS propaganda.

    The new division, eventually known as the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen,” began formation in April 1942 at Weisskirchen in Austria. The unit sullied the name of Austria’s most successful battlefield commander, who settled many Germans in Serbia (the genesis of the Volksdeutsche community there) and initiated a campaign of what a later century would call “ethnic cleansing.” As with many examples of Nazi propaganda, the name choice was carefully considered.

    A Romanian ethnic German, Artur Phelps, became the division’s first commander. Phelps, former commander of the crack Romanian Mountain Corps, had supported the fascist Iron Guard’s attempted coup in January 1941 and fled to Germany after its bloody suppression.

    Phelps’ unit had two regiments, each of three battalions. Many of the cadre came from small SS units established from Volksdeutsche volunteers in Croatia after the German conquest of Yugoslavia in April 1941. The artillery regiment had four battalions, with Czech-made pieces. Most of the infantry weapons also came from Czech sources: The Waffen-SS, at this time still denied full access to German arms makers, depended heavily on the arms factories of occupied Czechoslovakia. The division had a large array of specialist units: a battalion each of motorcyclists, reconnaissance troops, tanks, anti-tank guns, engineers, anti-aicraft guns, bicyclists, cavalry and replacements. Despite having only two regiments, the 7th SS was thus one of the largest German divisions, with over 21,000 men at full strength.

    A member of the 7th SS.

    Tanks for the division came from captured French stocks: seven Char B-1 bis heavy tanks, a handful more converted to flamethrowing vehicles, and some R-35 and H-39 light tanks.

    The new division was declared combat-ready in Octobver 1942 and sent to western Serbia under command of 12th Army. Most officers and NCOs were Germans from Germany, or Reichsdeutsche. The rank-and-file, almost all Volksdeutsche, were routinely referred to as “Musselmänner” (literally “Muslims,” but also the term used by SS concentration camp guards for starving prisoners soon to die) and scorned as lesser beings.

    The division’s marching song, composed by SS Hauptsturmführer Sepp Krombholz, showed that the men knew exactly what their task would be:

    Our trash division!
    And many Serbian skulls
    and many Serbian maids
    will I soon see fallen . . .

    Phelps sent his troops into their first action on 5 October, an attack against a partisan brigade led by Maj. Dragutin Kreserovic in the mountainous Kreva Reka area. Together with troops of the Bulgarian 9th Infantry Division, the SS men were to seek out and destroy partisan units. In case anyone misunderstood, Phelps noted in his order of the day that, “the entire population of this area must be considered rebel sympathizers.”

    The operation failed to net many partisans, but that didn’t stop Himmler himself from visiting the division soon afterwards to dispense medals and promotions.

    Throughout the winter the division participated in operations against the partisans, with limited success. While it did participate in the highly successful “Operation Black” in MOntenegro in May 1943, other Axis formations did most of the fighting while the SS men concentrated on their specialty, “punitive expeditions.” Entire villages were exterminated, the buildings burned to the ground, with mass rapes the order of the day as well. In multiple instances, the murders even included all house pets and farm animals. At Niksic, for example, 7th SS troopers systematically raped and then gunned down 121 women. While many Jews were murdered at their hands, the 7th SS also killed huge numbers of Serbs and Gypsies. The more lunatic fringe of today’s Serbia has even cited 7th SS massacres around Srebrenica in 1944 to justify the mass killings there in 1995.

    The trash division spent most of 1943 fighting partisans, moving to the Adriatic coast in Spetember to assist in disarming the Italian occupation forces there after Italy’s surrender. Savage fighting broke out in several locations, with the SS men suffering serious defeats at Italian hands.

    After suffering repeated defeats at partisan and Italian hands, the division went to the Dubrovnik area for reorganization and retraining. For several months the division attempted to improve itself, re-entering combat in November 1943 with similar results as it hunted partisans in the Sarajevo-Goradze area of Bosnia. Unlike the other SS divisions formed at about this time, the 7th SS did not have pre-war SS Standarten on which to draw for its cadres; the officers supplied by other SS units appear to have been the incompetents and other dregs — and few of the the SS units supplying such officers in 1942 had a surplus of skilled commanders to begin with.

    We’ll look at the division’s last two years, including its disastrous commitment to combat against regular Soviet and Bulgarian forces, in a later installment. Panzer Grenadier: Edelweiss has a number of scenarios featuring the 7th SS, and more will probably appear in the near future.

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  13. moinansari says:
    April 15, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    SERBIAN SS DIVISION

    7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen
    Largely because of the origin of its soldiers and its military character as a mountain unit, Phleps’ new command was designed for anti-partisan warfare and deployed in the Balkans. Initially, all its soldiers were to be volunteers, but as the division struggled to fill its ranks, and conscription was introduced. Beginning in October 1942, the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen fought continuously against the Tito’s partisans in so-called Banden-and Partisanenbekämfung and was involved in numerous war crimes against the civilian population.

    In recognition of his abilities as a commander of Prinz Eugen, on June 21, 1943 Phleps was promoted to SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS and was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. Short time later he was also given command of the newly formed V.SS-Gebirgs-Korps..

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  14. Serb says:
    May 29, 2008 at 6:00 am

    This is one big lie. This is not Serbian people. This is German who lived in Serbia. Pure propaganda. You must learn the history. Sorry

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  15. NaexusImmortalis says:
    July 3, 2008 at 5:19 am

    (IM NOT ANTI-SERBIAN-PARTIZAN.. or ANYTHING ALIKE. I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY RACIST/NAZI IDEALS, WAR IS NEVER AND OPTION. oh yea.. DONT EVER BLAME A WHOLE PEOPLE FOR 1 PERSONS ACTIONS.)

    Yes they are Serbian soldiers, voluntrieer nazis can be found in ANY COUNTRY in Europe.. AND Some major countries in Asia (mainly Russia) even BRITTAIN had Nazi-Voluntiers. Why would germans want to live in serbia?… first off.. Serbian Nationalists(the same ideal that later in history devastated the balkan penisula by kidnapping and brutally murdering 2-3 MILLON Albanians, Bosnians and Croatians. year 1900+) were the ones that started the first world war by killing the Archduke.. and since Germany was on Austria- Hungarys side.. they werent so happy.. the Waffen SS(Including the SS Hanzar(Croat – Bosnian div.) and the SS Skanderbeg (Albanian div.) killed Serbian partizans in serbia and occupied the country fast as hell. AFTER that the Serbian Volunteer div. showed up. But before that! Muslim-Albanians in Kosova were ALSO killed by the SS for Hiding Christian Serbs and Jews in the mountains.

    As goes for Serbia, ‘They’ (a majority of the population.. since 1999 hatred for muslim countrys has calmed down.) hate Islam more than ANY Country in the whole world! .. Their Socialist-Nationalistic ideals doesnt only go for a VELIKA-SRBIJA (great serbia) BUT ALSO for “A CHRISTAN EUROPE” and their message has allready reached Montenegro (some parts), Greece, Macedonia (half of the country.. the other half is muslim albanians) Romania (the western parts, and north) Slovenia (southern parts) Bosnia (nothern parts.. Banja Luka Area) and ofc RUSSIA wich is their Great Backup (that helped the serbs by sending the RED ARMY to exterminate and occupy people and cities in bosnia .CIVILIAN MUSLIM TARGETS.)

    HISTORY REPEATS IT SELF! THIS TIME THEY BLAME ISLAM!

    - As long as Mankind exist.. there will always be wars. – Albert Einstein

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  16. NaexusImmortalis says:
    July 3, 2008 at 5:26 am

    http://www.bndlg.de/~wplarre/ARTA_980929_01.jpg
    (Taken from a massacre in Kosovo (1998-1999), done by Serbian “ELITE” Paramilitary Soldiers.

    !! ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IS THE SAME [profanity deleted] RELIGION.. SAME GOD. SAME CHARCATERS DIFFERENT VISIONS.. WTF IS EVERRYBODY FIGHTING ABOUT? .. WE ARE HUMANS, WE NEED TO BELIVE.. SO RESPECT PEOPLES RELIGIOUS CHOICES AND STFU !!

    what a sense of humor drawing muhammad with a bomb on his head.. it was more CHILDISH than fun.. -.^

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  17. Moin Ansari says:
    July 3, 2008 at 9:15 am

    We agree

    We also agree that making cartoons of Prophet Muhammad was a childish prank—but it does offend the sensibilities of many–culture, respect for others and good old manners would dictate that we do not offend our fellow human beings.

    Danish law prohibts holocaust denials and does not allow the swastika to be shown in public places. Danish law also does not allow blasphemy.

    If Danes respect the sensibilities of good civilized people, and respect the sensibilities of Jews 9also in first category) and disallow the swastika, then why not show some respect for the Muslims.

    Why provoke?–

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  18. Aleksa says:
    July 22, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Prinz Eugen Division is not Srbian.
    mostly Volksdetsche, ethnic Germans living in old yugoslavia, Croat commanders, and some Hungarian, and German leaders. Not traitors to yugoslavia. Mostly foreigners. No Serrbs, sorry, this is historically inaccurate.

    Division Handshar ‘ scimitar’ a publicity stunt, not really a proper army …Same for Skanderbeg, did not get off ground, I cant understand why this unusual article is linked to Denmark, a nordic country with many fascists. This is all really 65 yrs out of date.

    Aleksa

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  19. Jabotinsky says:
    July 29, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    You can capitalize about
    ss Serbs as much as you wish,
    this will remain a desperate lie.

    VolksDEUTSCHER means “german”,
    absolutely nothing else.

    The fact they lived in Serbian Banat
    doesn’t mean they were Serbs.
    Theywerewell aware of their DEUTSCHTUM.

    Furthermore, you put the picture of an SS officer,
    calling him a Serbian one, what is his name ?

    Helmut ?

    Jurgen ?

    Very Serb indeed….

    You, propagandist (a poor one).

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  20. Moin Ansari says:
    July 29, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Source of the pictures is axishistory.com. Please take up the authnticity of the pictures with them.

    The list of Waffen Units and their exact ethnicty is listed in the following articles as well as posted on all the encyclopedias.

    SS-Volunteer mountain division “Prinz Eugen”. Made up of folksdojcers from Serbia and Croatia

    The role of Serbians in the SS:

    DID SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Division “Prinz Eugen” SS-Obersturmführer – Herbert Zeller12″ Figure. The Division was formed in March 1942 by volunteers but this later changed when conscription was introduced. The unit itself was formed by a SS Selbstschutz (SS Protection Force) and the Einsatz-Staffel (ES) (Also called Prinz Eugen) from Croatia and named SS-Freiwilligen-Division Prinz Eugen.

    SERBIAN SS DIVISION

    7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen
    Largely because of the origin of its soldiers and its military character as a mountain unit, Phleps’ new command was designed for anti-partisan warfare and deployed in the Balkans. Initially, all its soldiers were to be volunteers, but as the division struggled to fill its ranks, and conscription was introduced. Beginning in October 1942, the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen fought continuously against the Tito’s partisans in so-called Banden-and Partisanenbekämfung and was involved in numerous war crimes against the civilian population.

    In recognition of his abilities as a commander of Prinz Eugen, on June 21, 1943 Phleps was promoted to SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS and was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. Short time later he was also given command of the newly formed V.SS-Gebirgs-Korps..

    Here are details on the Serbian Nazi Forces fighting the Partisans:

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Lineage SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division

    SS-Freiwilligen-Division ‘Prinz Eugen”

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Most of this is now posted on a separate page on this site. Search of it by name

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  21. Jabotinsky says:
    September 5, 2008 at 11:58 am

    VolksDEUTSCHER means “german”,
    absolutely nothing else…
    and especially not : Serbians.

    Once again, putting big capitalized letters
    about a so-called Serbian “ss” is a poor
    attempt of History falsification, to say the least.

    VOLKSDEUTSCHE SS DIVISION
    is far more appropriated,
    and simply…historically true.

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  22. Moin Ansari says:
    September 5, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Srpski docentura ugoditi posjet današji karika umjesto potpun ?lanak na temelju Srpski ESESOVSKI jedinica
    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

    We thank you for your feedback, but are not sure where VolksDEUTSCHER came from. This article was not about the Serbians, it was about the Danish Nazi supporters.

    There is another article on Serbians. See here. http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

    DID SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Division “Prinz Eugen” SS-Obersturmführer – Herbert Zeller12? Figure. The Division was formed in March 1942 by volunteers but this later changed when conscription was introduced. The unit itself was formed by a SS Selbstschutz (SS Protection Force) and the Einsatz-Staffel (ES) (Also called Prinz Eugen) from Croatia and named SS-Freiwilligen-Division Prinz Eugen.

    The serbian SS division was called “Prinz Eugen”.

    SS-Volunteer mountain division “Prinz Eugen”. Made up of folksdojcers from Serbia

    SS-Volunteer mountain division “Prinz Eugen”. Made up of folksdojcers from Serbia and Croatia

    The role of Serbians in the SS:

    DID SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Division “Prinz Eugen” SS-Obersturmführer – Herbert Zeller12? Figure. The Division was formed in March 1942 by volunteers but this later changed when conscription was introduced. The unit itself was formed by a SS Selbstschutz (SS Protection Force) and the Einsatz-Staffel (ES) (Also called Prinz Eugen) from Croatia and named SS-Freiwilligen-Division Prinz Eugen.

    SERBIAN SS DIVISION

    7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen
    Largely because of the origin of its soldiers and its military character as a mountain unit, Phleps’ new command was designed for anti-partisan warfare and deployed in the Balkans. Initially, all its soldiers were to be volunteers, but as the division struggled to fill its ranks, and conscription was introduced. Beginning in October 1942, the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen fought continuously against the Tito’s partisans in so-called Banden-and Partisanenbekämfung and was involved in numerous war crimes against the civilian population.

    In recognition of his abilities as a commander of Prinz Eugen, on June 21, 1943 Phleps was promoted to SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS and was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. Short time later he was also given command of the newly formed V.SS-Gebirgs-Korps..

    Here are details on the Serbian Nazi Forces fighting the Partisans:

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Lineage SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division

    SS-Freiwilligen-Division ‘Prinz Eugen”

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Most of this is now posted on a separate page on this site. Search of it by name

    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

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  23. Jabotinsky says:
    September 10, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Why keeping on
    calling a german ss division
    “Serbian” ?

    The “prinz eugen” ss division
    wasn’t composed of Serbians,
    but of germans (born on yugoslav soil).

    Can’t you see how insulting this is ?

    Almost a million Serbians,
    whatever their age and gender,
    died at the hands of the various ss divisions
    invading Serbian Lands.

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  24. Moin Ansari says:
    September 10, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Srpski docentura ugoditi posjet današji karika umjesto potpun ?lanak na temelju Srpski ESESOVSKI jedinica
    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

    The Prinz Eugen, the Serbian SS Division was ethnically Serbian and Croat.

    We have presented photographs, archives, actual description of ethnicity of the SS divisions, insignias, and authors who confirm the Serbian units, which were ethnically Serbian.

    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

    SERBIAN SS DIVISION

    7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen
    Largely because of the origin of its soldiers and its military character as a mountain unit, Phleps’ new command was designed for anti-partisan warfare and deployed in the Balkans. Initially, all its soldiers were to be volunteers, but as the division struggled to fill its ranks, and conscription was introduced. Beginning in October 1942, the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen fought continuously against the Tito’s partisans in so-called Banden-and Partisanenbekämfung and was involved in numerous war crimes against the civilian population.

    In recognition of his abilities as a commander of Prinz Eugen, on June 21, 1943 Phleps was promoted to SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS and was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. Short time later he was also given command of the newly formed V.SS-Gebirgs-Korps..

    Here are details on the Serbian Nazi Forces fighting the Partisans:

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    Lineage SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division

    SS-Freiwilligen-Division ‘Prinz Eugen”

    SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

    7.SS-Freiwilligen-Gebrigs-Division “Prinz Eugen”

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  25. Goran says:
    November 1, 2008 at 8:17 am

    There were no Serbian SS units during WW2. It is not true, and you obviously believe in that nonsense. Another one bad campaign against Serbia. I see very, very clear what you want to do.

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  26. Moin Ansari says:
    November 1, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Srpski docentura ugoditi posjet današji karika umjesto potpun ?lanak na temelju Srpski ESESOVSKI jedinica
    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

    SERBIAN SS DIVISION: The Prinz Eugen

    The article also displays a list of all SS divisions including the Prinz Eugen. The link to the actual article on the Serbian SS division shows the name (7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen), the insignia, the ethnic composition, the name of the commander in chief, and pictures of the Serbian SS division soldiers.

    In October 1942, the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen fought continuously against the Tito’s partisans in so-called Banden-and Partisanenbekämfung and was involved in numerous war crimes against the civilian population.

    Nothing more can be said on the project other then to bring the actual Serbian soldiers and their victims to the interview.

    We have presented photographs, archives, actual description of ethnicity of the SS divisions, insignias, and authors who confirm the Serbian units, which were ethnically Serbian.

    Srpski docentura ugoditi posjet današji karika umjesto potpun ?lanak na temelju Srpski ESESOVSKI jedinica
    http://rupeenews.com/2008/07/29/serbian-nazis-prinze-eugen-serbian-7th-ss-volunteer-mountain-division/

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  27. beheader69 says:
    June 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

    nice article..but extremely large…danish people didn ;t like nazis

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