Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia? Brahmin atrocities that destroyed Buddhism in the Subcontinent

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Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia? Brahmin atrocities that destroyed Buddhism in the Subcontinent (Revamped with new material added in December 2012) by Suman Das

Many wonder why Buddhism disappeared from the Subcontinent but thrives in China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and in Sri Lanka. Many Hindus claim that Buddha was a Hindu God. Of course Buddhists in China, Thailand and other countries and in India do not accept that doctrine. In fact Buddhism was hounded out of its birthplace.

Prince Sidharta’s rejection of the hand of the illegitimate daughter had angered Vidudabha, son of Prasenadi, king of Koshala ostensibly because of their caste pride. They had withheld their legitimate daughters from the Prince. Hence began the war between Buddha and the Brahmans, and between Buddhism and Brahamanism.

“Despotic state power persecuted Buddhists for centuries as Brahminical Hinduism held sway in large parts of India. Buddhism was all but banished from this land and found refuge in Sri Lanka, Tibet, Myanmar, Thailand and eastwards.” Dr. Praful Bidwai. Praful Bidwai: “Hindutva’s fallacies and fantasies”, Frontline, 21-112001.

Various theories have been put forward which seek to explain the tragic eclipse of Buddhism from India. According to one view, corruption in the Buddhist sangha or priesthood precipitated Buddhism’s ultimate decline. While it is true that with time the Buddhist priests became increasingly lax in the observance of religious rules, corruption alone cannot explain the death of Buddhism. After all, Buddhism was replaced by an even more corrupt Brahminism. Another theory is that Buddhism disappeared from India in the wake of the Arab and Turkish invasions in which many Buddhists were said to have been killed. However, this theory, too, seems not to be convincing as a complete explanation of the extinction of Buddhism in India .

A must-read is Buddhist scholar Davidi Kalupahana, who rejects the inclusion of Buddhism in Hinduism, is irritated with Western scholarship.

“The history of India is nothing but a history of a mortal conflict between Buddhism and Brahmanism.” (Dr. Ambadekar. B.R. Ambedkar: Writings and Speeches, vol.3, p.267 (in the Chapter: “The triumph of Brahminism: regicide or the birth of counter-revolution”).

V.T. Rajshekar in his fortnightly Dalit Voice describes the Brahamnic atrocities in detail. Also elucidated by Dalit leaders like Bahujan Samaj Party president Kanshi Ram.

Arya Samaj’s writings are an eye-opener. They are bitter critics of Buddhism.

Buddhism has made a remarkable but heavily politicized come-back in India, first with the conversion of Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar and millions of his Scheduled Caste followers (1956), and soon after with the settlement of a high-profile Tibetan refugee community and a Tibetan Government-in-Exile (1959).

For those interested in scholarly research, please view the enterprise by “two well known academicians of Kerala – Prof KM Bahauddin, former pro-vice chancellor of Aligarh Muslim and Osmania universities, and Dr MS Jayaprakash, professor of history at Kollam – throw some deep insights into the dark history of India when Buddhism was systematically eliminated by Brahminical forces who control Hinduism, then and now.”

Jayaprakash elaborates:

‘Hundreds of Buddhist statues, stupas and viharas have been destroyed in India between 830 and 966 AD in the name of Hindu revivalism. Both literary and archaeological sources within and outside India speak volumes about the havoc done to Buddhism by Hindu fanatics. Spiritual leaders like Sankaracharya and many Hindu kings and rulers took pride in demolishing Buddhist images aiming at the total eradication of Buddhist culture.

After all, in places such as Bengal and Sind, which were ruled by Brahminical dynasties but had Buddhist majorities, Buddhists are said to have welcomed the Muslims as saviours who had freed them from the tyranny of ‘upper’ caste rule. This explains why most of the ‘lower-caste’ people in Eastern Bengal and Sind embraced Islam. Few, if any, among the ‘upper’ castes of these regions did the same.

Veer Savarkar describes the sharp contrasts between Hinduism and Brahamanism. He was highly critical of Buddhism.

Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, devoted a part of his influential book “Hindutva” to Buddhism and attacks Buddhism’s “lack of martial involvement in society, and its lack of nationalist identification with India”.

Under pressure, he makes a few genuflections before the Buddha, but then reverts to his negative judgment. “We fear that the one telling factor that contributed to the fall of Buddhism more than any other has escaped that detailed attention of scholars which it deserves.”

Savarkar explains that “Philosophical differences” and the “inanitation and demoralization of the Buddhistic Church”, with Viharas attracting “a loose, lazy and promiscuous crowd of men who lived on others”, are insufficient. V.D. Savarkar: Hindutva, p.18.

“Thus it was political and national necessity that was at once the cause and the effect of the decline of Buddhism. Buddhism had its centre of gravity nowhere. So it was an imperative need to restore at least the national centre of gravity that India had lost in attempting to get identified with Buddhism.” Savarkar. V.D. Savarkar: Hindutva, p.28

They would have been inconsequential “had not the political consequences of the Buddhistic expansion been so disastrous to the national virility and even the national existence of our race”

Savarkar crticises Buddha, his teachings, and Buddhims –would give proof of downright “treason”:

“The reaction against universal tendencies of Buddhism only grew more insistent and powerful as the attempt to re-establish the Buddhist power in India began to assume a more threatening attitude. Nationalist tendencies refused to barter with our national independence and accept a foreign conqueror as our overlord. But if that foreigner happened to be favourably inclined towards Buddhism, then he was sure to find some secret sympathisers among the Indian Buddhists all over India, even as Catholic Spain could always find some important section in England to restore a Catholic dynasty in England. Not only this but dark hints abound in our ancient records to show that at times some foreign Buddhistic powers had actually invaded India with an express national and religious aim in view.” V.D. Savarkar: Hindutva, p.25

Savarkar states that the Greco-Bactrian and Kushana invaders adopted Buddhism, supported by native Buddhists. He questions the loyalty and collaboration of native Buddhists.Six Glorious Epochs of Indian History, Savarkar gives other instances of Buddhist treason.

“these Indian Buddhists were elated to see the Muslim foreigners march against the Hindu kingdom. These Buddhists, who bore malice towards the Hindus, perhaps thought that these new Muslim aggressors might embrace their Buddhist cult, as did their forerunners, the Greeks under Menander or the Kushans under Kanishka, and establish a Buddhist empire over India. So they went and greeted the Arabian-Muslim leader when he captured Port Deval from the hands of King Dahir.” V.D. Savarkar: Six Glorious Epochs, p.133-134. Savarkar wrote this book in Marathi: Bhâratiya itihâsâtîla sahâ sonerî pâne, it was translated into English by S.T. Godbole.

Sarvarkar thinks that the Buddhists sent this message to Qasim:

Savarkar imagines what the message they brought to Qasim sounded like: “We have nothing to do with Dahir and his Vedic Hindu cult. Our religious faith differs very widely from theirs. (…) Never suspect for a moment that we shall even enlist ourselves in King Dahir’s armed forces or help him in any way. So we pray that the Buddhists should not be subjected to any indignities or troubles at your hands.” Savarkar also imagines this response. “which amounted to complete surrender” was that he “gave them temporary assurance of safety”. V. D. Savarkar: Six Glorious Epochs, p. 134.

Savarkar asks and answers the question: “But what were the Buddhists doing in this national catastrophe? At the news of the fall of King Dahir and the victory of the Muslims, these Buddhists began to ring bells in their vihars to greet the Muslim conquerors, and prayed in congregations for the prosperity of the Muslim rulers!” V.D. Savarkar: Six Glorious Epochs, p. 136. Vihâra = Buddhist monastery. Notably those by C.V. Vaidya, S.N. Dhar, A.L. Srivastava, Henry M. Elliot, M. Titus, and the original testimonies, the Chach-Nâmah and Al Baladhuri’s Kitâb Futûh-ul-Baldân, both in English translation in H.M. Eliot & John Dowson: History of India as Told by Its Own Historians, vol.1.

S.T. Godbole translates how Al-Baladhuri mentions that “two Samanis, or priests” (apparently Shramanas, Buddhist monks) went all the way to Qasim’s employer Hajjaj “to treat for peace”

“His [Qasim’sl work was greatly facilitated by the treachery of certain Buddhist priests and renegade chiefs who deserted their sovereign and joined the invader" R.C. Majumdar, H.C. Raychoudhary, Kalikinkar Datta: An Advanced History of India, p. 172.

"Budhiman comes to Muhammad Kasim, and receives a promise of protection"?Quoted in Elliot & Dowson: History of India as Told by Its Own Historians, vol.1, p.157.

These authors believe that "one thousand Brahmans" who came to surrender are described as having "shaven heads and beards" and being "dressed in yellow clothes", the typical look of Shramanas.

Buddhist point of view: "Buddhism is a movement of anti-Hindu revolt then groaning under Hindu oppression, and the Muslim invaders came as liberators of those whom the Hindu regime oppressed, including the Buddhists."

"Brahminical orthodoxy having overwhelmed the Buddhist revolution, India of the eleventh and twelfth centuries must have been infested with multitudes of persecuted heretics who would eagerly welcome the message of Islam."M.N. Roy: Historical Role of Islam, p.81

Romila Thapar has said: "In an often horrible way, religious forms of expression like Buddhism and Jainism have been persecuted and even exterminated [by Hindus]. (…) The trauma for the Brahmins was that, in the time of the Moghuls, they were counted among ‘the rest’, i.e. the non-Muslims. Bad for them was also that Islam was more able to have a dialogue with the inheritors of Shramanism.” Interview with Romila Thapar by Marc Colpaert in Wereldwijd, March 1986. There is no information about this “dialogue” in Romila Thapar: A History of India, vol.1, which covers the period when these religions encountered each other.

Buddhism was hostile to Hinduism to the extent of collaborating with the Arab invasion.

Nowhere can one find evidence to say that some Indian Buddhist army or some Buddhist organization fought with the Muslim invaders any battle worth the name.” V.D. Savarkar: Six Glorious Epochs, p. 143.

Savarkar hates the Buddhists for their non-violence and he glrifies Hindu militarism. “Buddhism has conquests to claim but they belong to a world far removed from this our matter-of-fact world, where feet of clay do not stand long and steel could be easily sharpened, and trishna/thirst is too powerful and real to be quenched by painted streams that flow perennially in heaven. These must have been the considerations that must have driven themselves home to the hearts of our patriots and thinkers when the Huns and Shakas poured like volcanic torrents and burnt all that thrived. (…) So the leaders of thought and action of our race had to rekindle their Sacrificial Fire to oppose the sacrilegious one and to re-open the mines of Vedic fields for steel, to get it sharpened on the altar of Kali, ‘the Terrible’, so that Mahakal, the ‘spirit of the time’, be appeased. Nor were their anticipations belied. The success of the renovated Hindu arms was undisputed and indisputable. Vikramaditya who drove the foreigners from the Indian soil and Lalitaditya who caught and chastised them in their very dens from Tartary to Mongolia were but complements of each other. Valour had accomplished what formulas had failed to do.” V.D. Savarkar: Hindutva, p.20-22.

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“…if I were to say that Hinduism and Buddhism are totally different, it would not be in conformity with truth.” Dalai Lama. Interview in Organiser, 22-11-1992.

“that the conflict against Brahmin supremacy had, in fact, started before Buddhist period, between Vasishta Muni, a Brahmin, and Viswamitra, a non-Brahmin. ‘The dispute was about the learning of ‘Vedas’, the right to conduct religious ceremony, to receive gifts, and to perform coronation of King. Vasishta Muni insisted that these were the exclusive privileges of Brahmins, while Viswamitra was opposed to such exclusive rights. This dispute lasted for long period, and even Kings joined in it (Writings and Speeches of Dr. Ambedkar, vol. 7, p. 148-155. It was won by Brahmins.’: Prof. Bahauddin Quoting Dr. B. R. Ambedkar.

A slightly immature presentation by ANKUR BARUA, M.A. BASILIO, Buddhist Door, Tung Lin Kok Yuen, Hong Kong, Hong Kong, 2009 also touches upon the subject:

Basilion et al discuss the disappearance of Buddhism and the Brahamanic responsibility in the BC and AD era:

“Due to the lack of historical and archaeological evidence, there is no absolute consensus till date on what led to the disappearance of Buddhism from India. Buddhism started losing the general support from the community. Subsequently, the Brahmins took advantage of this situation and deepened the rift between the common people and the Buddhist practitioners. They also manipulated the contemporary rulers to withdraw their support from Buddhism and help in reviving the existing Brahmanism. This was followed by the revival of Hinduism and further decline of Buddhism”

The Buddha challenged the divinity of the Vedas, the bedrock of Brahminism. He held that all men are equal and that the caste system or varnashramadharma, to which the Vedas and Other Brah’minical’ books had given religious sanction, was completely false.

Dr. Jayaprakash, there are hundreds of places in Kerala having names ‘palli’ either affixed or suffixed with them. ‘Karunagapalli, Karthikapalli, Pallickal, Pallippuram, Edappally, etc. are some examples of these places. The term ‘palli’ means a Buddha vihara. Notably, Kerala had 1200 years of Buddhist tradition. Earlier, the schools in Malayalam were called as ‘Ezhuthupalli’ or ‘Pallikoodam’. It is also worth noticing that the Christians and Muslims in Kerala use the term ‘palli’ to denote their church and mosque alike. These ‘pallies’ or viharas had been ruthlessly demolished by the Hindu forces under the leadership of Sankaracharya and Kumarila. They could exterminate 1200 years of Buddhist tradition and converted Kerala into a Brahminical state based on the ‘Chaturvarna’ system. Original inhabitants of Kerala, like the Ezhavas, Pulayas, etc., were crushed under the weight of casteism. Many a viharas was transformed into temples and majority of people were prevented from entering temples under the pretext of caste pollution. It can also be noted that the name ‘Kerala’ is the Sanskritised Aryan version of the Dravidian and Buddhist term ‘Cherala’. The Parasurama legend is nothing but an invented myth for regularizing the Brahminical ‘Kerala’ hiding its glorious Buddhist traditions.’

Thus, in the Anguttara Nikaya, the Buddha is said to have exhorted the Bhikkus, saying, Just, O brethren, as the great rivers, when they have emptied themselves into the Great Ocean, lose their different names and are known as the Great Ocean Just so, O brethren, do the four varnasâ “Kshatriya, Brahmin, Vaishya and Sudraâ”when they begin to follow the doctrine and discipline propounded by the Tathagata [i.e. the Buddha], renounce the different names of caste and rank and become the members of one and the same society.

Note: This article is only a historical artifact and has no bearing on the current Brahmans or Hindus who should be judged as individuals on their own merit. A religion does not make a human being good or bad. Hindus like any other religion may be good peace-loving people. However it is a fact that religious extremists among the Brahmans and the ruling class brought about problems for the Buddhists and eliminated them in South Asia. This article is not a religious article or written to defame any religion, and should not be used to refute any religion.

Dr. Jayaprakash: ‘Within Kerala, Sankaracharya and his close associate Kumarila Bhatta, an avowed foe of Buddhism, organized a religious crusade against Buddhists. A vivid description of Sankaracharya’s pleasure of seeing people of non-Brahminic faith being burnt to death is available in ‘Sankara Digvijaya’. Kumarila instigated King Suddhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate Buddhists. The ‘Mricchakatika’ of Sudraka describes how the King’s brother-in-law in Ujjain inhumanly tortured the Buddhist monks, by using them as bullocks by inserting a string through their nose and yoking them to the cart! The ‘Keralolpathi’ documents the extermination of Buddhism from Kerala by Kumarila. About the activities of Sankaracharya, even Vivekananda had observed: ‘And, such was the heart of Sankara that he burnt to death lots of Buddhist monks by defeating them in argument. What can you call such action on Sankara’s part except fanaticism’ (Complete works of Swami Vivekananda, Vol. III, p. 118, Calcutta, 1997).’

Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia? Brahmin atrocities conducted mass genocide Persecution of Buddhists in India The Manuwadi Hindus destroyed Buddhism in its own land of birth

Prof. Bahauddin elaborates:

‘Buddhism tried to create a dynamic society in ancient India. Jainism also contributed its share. As Buddhism spread, iron ploughs and implement were used for development of agriculture. As a result, new areas were cultivated and agricultural productivity increased, apart from developing trade centres and road links. Subsistence-level economy changed to a surplus economy with grain storage facilities, exchange of goods, trade and development of bureaucratic administration. This also created social change – from elans consisting several families to tribes consisting several elans of similar socio-economic conditions. The emphasis of Brahmins, on the other hand, was for receiving and giving alms and not on production of goods. Those who give and receive alms were close to Gods and those who produce were considered as inferior. According to Manusmriti, a Sudra should not have wealth of his own. In case he has any, a Brahmin as his master can take it over without any hesitation. ‘Rigveda’ goes a step further to kill those who do not give ‘danam’ to the Brahmins. In other words, someone has to produce goods so that others can give ‘danam’ to the recipient Brahmins. It was against this system of ‘downgrading those who produce’ that Buddhism came into being.’

HINDU SOURCES DESCRIBING BUTCHERY: According to the Mahabharta 330 millions were killed. Prince Saddharta could not tolerate the death of millions, rejected paganism and became Gautum Buddh. Ashoka dumped his pagan roots and converted to Buddhism after the millions were massacred in the Hindu Kush. Of course these are not Western or non-Hindu sources that list the Kaura-Panda and the Mahabharta wars which were responsible for the death decimation and destruction of millions. According to Kalhani millions of Buddhists were killed and murdered in Buddhist Kashmir prior to the advent of anyone else. Buddhists were chased out of the Subcontinent.

Subraminium adds. We have to accept our shortcomings. The worst enemy of Hinduism is castism. Inequality of human beings determining by birth is unacceptable. The superiority complex of (the so called higher castes) even now does exist.

According to Dr Jayaprakash, Sakaracharya had played ‘a demon’s role’ in destruction of Buddhist statues and monuments at Nagarjunakonda (in present-day Andhra Pradesh). ‘A. N. Longhurst, who conducted excavations at Nagarjunakonda, had recorded this in his invaluable book, Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India No. 54, The Buddhist Antiquities of Nagarjunakonda (Delhi, 1938, p. 6). The ruthless manner in which all the buildings at Nagarjunakonda have been destroyed is simply appalling and cannot represent the work of treasure-seekers alone since so many pillars, statues, and sculptures have been wantonly smashed to pieces. Local tradition relates that the great Hindu philosopher and teacher, Sankaracharya, came to Nagarjunakonda with a host of followers and destroyed the Buddhist monuments. The cultivated lands on which ruined buildings stand represent a religious grant made to Sankaracharya.’

Quoting Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, Prof. Bahauddin says that the conflict against Brahmin supremacy had, in fact, started before Buddhist period, between Vasishta Muni, a Brahmin, and Viswamitra, a non-Brahmin. ‘The dispute was about the learning of ‘Vedas’, the right to conduct religious ceremony, to receive gifts, and to perform coronation of King. Vasishta Muni insisted that these were the exclusive privileges of Brahmins, while Viswamitra was opposed to such exclusive rights. This dispute lasted for long period, and even Kings joined in it (Writings and Speeches of Dr. Ambedkar, vol. 7, p. 148-155. It was won by Brahmins.’

Coming to the death of Buddhism in India, yes it is still shrouded in mystery. Ramayana and Mahabharata, in all probability, were created much after Bhuddha’s advent. Though, Bhagwat Geeta has lot of great teachings that one can imbibe in oneself for liberation, it is difficult to digest that God created the four varnas. These things were deliberately written to brainwash people to the Hindu fold as Brahmins were losing hold.

Dr. Jayaprakash: ‘The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. This was followed by the demolition of Buddhist centres in Magadha. Thousands of Buddhist saints were killed mercilessly. King Jalaluka destroyed the Buddha viharas within his jurisdiction on the ground that chanting of hymns by Buddhists disturbed his sleep! In Kashmir, King Kinnara demolished thousands of viharas and captured the Buddhist villages to please Brahmins. A large number of Buddha viharas were usurped by Brahmins and converted into Hindu temples where entry of ‘untouchables’ was prohibited. Notably, Buddhist places were regularized as Hindu temples by writing Puranas, which were invented myths or pseudo history. The important temples at Tirupathi, Aihole, Undavalli, Ellora, Bengal, Puri, Badarinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Sringeri, Bodhigaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudimallam, Nagarjunakonda, Srisailam and Sabarimala are some of the striking examples of Brahminical usurpation of Buddhist centres.’

… I have recently come across a book “Volga se Ganga” by Rahul Sankrityayan ane emininent scholer which describes the animosity of Brahmins towards Bhuddhists and the cunningness of Brahmins. There is a mention that either Pushyamitra or Agnimitra of Sunga dynasty only is described as Rama in Ramayana by Valmiki and similarly, Mahakavi Kalidasa had created Kumara Sambava in praise of Kumara Gupta (son of Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya) wherin the hero is described as Shankar’s kumar, the karthikeya. From this we find that these epcis and fables were written in praise of some kings who were given divine status, the later generations might have blindly followed the rituals thus rendering the origin in oblivion

The sword of Brahamanism was not used exclusively for the Buddhists, Jains and darker skinned Untouchables suffered too. Not satisfied by eliminating Buddhism on the continental Subcontinent today the same sword of Hinduvata Brahmanism continues to spread carnage to the Sinhalese Buddhists in Sri Lanka, the Sikkimese Buddhist, and the Bhutanese Buddhists. Brahman’s also chased the Buddhists in Southeast Asia. Campuchia, Laos and Vietnam are full of carcasses the carnage that was exported to Souteast Asia. Millions of Buddhists ran from the Subcontinent to Burma, and even to China, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Before the advent of Islam, but after the Aryan migrations, several invasions and mass migrations of the Central Asian tribes named as the Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, Huns and Gujjars took place in the Punjab (and other parts of Pakistan).
The last two tribes i.e. the Huns (White Huns/ Epthalites) and Gujjars arrived in the 5th century AD when Hinduism had revived under the Gupta Empire but had not fully succeeded in crushing the influence of Buddhism.
As the Gupta Empire collapsed under the impact of Hun invasions, it caused deep consternation among Brahmins in view of their failure to eliminate Buddhism while the Gupta power supporting them in this task had disappeared. Therefore, they began to make overtures to the new arrivals who were valiant, vigorous and warlike. They were offered the rank of Kshatryas in the Hindu fold, a position only next to that of the Brahmins and confers the responsiblity of rulership.
In the course of time the leading groups of Huns were absorbed in the Hindu fold as Kshatryas while Jats, who were the descendants of the remaining groups of Huns, occupied a lower strata of society. But the present day Jats and Rajputs also include the descendants of the previous invaders….. the Sakas and the Kushans and even of earlier races. Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, White Huns, and Gujjars were ethnically Iranian.
In fact, Huns (White Huns/Hepthalites) are also called Iranian Huns to differentiate them from the other Mongoloid Huns who invaded Europe. The word Gujjar is derived from Khazar and Jat from Gatae who inhabited around the Caspian Sea and migrated towards northwest South Asia. http://www.oocities.org/pak_history/punjabis.html

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A dwarf Brahmin from Kerala, Adi Shankara, undertook the task of reviving Brahmanism by destroying Buddhism, physically annihilating Buddhists and their monks, and converting Buddhist viharas into Hindu temples. After a prolonged bloody war and violence, the Brahmanical religion was revived by manufacturing two tales – Epics of Ramayana and Mahabharata – and then scripture called the Bhagawad Gita. The caste system was evolved, codified and strictly enforced through the Manu Dharma Shastra; non-violence (ahimsa) was borrowed from Jainism and incorporated into Hinduism. Brahmins were directed to abstain from meat-eating and become vegetarians. And others were directed to refrain from eating beef and cow was declared a sacred animal (gomata) and next only to mother. These were the tricks adopted by Brahmins to destroy Buddhism and re-establish the world’s most violent religion of inequality, injustice and inhumanity. All these form part of the history written by Brahmin historians themselves. Conversion: the best, simplest, surest & the most non-violent way to liberate Dalits V.T. Rajshekar

The use of appropriate amount of ruthlessness eliminated Buddhism from South Asia.

In order to overpower their opponents, the Brahmin strategy was: saam, daan, bhed, dand…
BRAHMINS GAVE DAUGHTERS: In my over three-decade study of Brahmin scriptures and their history, I found that though Brahmins used all sorts of ways to finish their enemy, they used dand to crush the defenseless people like shudras/Dalits. The Indus people too were virtually defenseless. So the Brahmins used dand against them. They used daan against the mightier enemy to win over the English and Mughals, they offered them every price i.e. daan including their daughters.
Saam, the deadliest and the surest strategy, was used to destroy our history and culture.
Saam is the deadliest of the four. It has been the most effective and a never fail way to finish the strongest enemy whom they cannot crush by dand nor buy through daan.

Prof. Bahauddin lists the different stages of Brahmin hostility against Buddhism: ‘1) 483-273 BC: The period after Buddha’s death upto Ashoka’s rule when attempts were made to include Brahminical ideas in Buddhist ideology. 2) 273-200 BC: When Buddhism spread all over India and became a world religion. 3) 200 BC-500 AD: The period when all possible efforts were made to disintegrate Buddhism from within by adulterating Buddhist teachings with Brahminical ideas and also through physical annihilation from outside. As a result, Buddhism divided itself into 18 sects, of which Hinayana and Mahayana were prominent ones. 4) 500-700 AD: Brahminism gained supremacy in North India and efforts began to drive out Buddhism and Jainism from South India. 5) 700-1100 AD: Brahminism gained supremacy in South India and, with added vigour, it moved again to North India to obtain complete supremacy over Buddhism and Jainism. 6) 1100-1400 AD: Buddhism and Jainism were destroyed from the remaining Southern States of Karnataka and Kerala and, thus, total supremacy of Brahminism all over India was achieved.’

HOW BUDHISM WAS DESTROYED: During the Maurya era, Budha Dhamma was the mightiest enemy of Brahmins. It had almost wiped out Brahminism. At that time our Indus kingdom was in full bloom. The excavation of the Indus cities prove that every city contained a stupa. Seals of dhamma-chakra are found in plenty. In one of the cities even a headless statue of Budha was also found. Seals depicting worship of Bodhi Pipal tree have also been found. The whole Indus kingdom had turned into Budhist state.
At that time Brahmins under Pushyamitra committed regicide of Emperor Varihdarth and genocide of Budhists. But the Brahmins did not succeed in fishing the Budha Dhamma by dand. Therefore, they adopted the sure strategy of sam. Under this strategy, the Brahmins took their first step by declaring the Budha as one of our gods. As a next step the cunning Brahmins joined Budhism as bhikkhus.
A Brahmin like Kumarila Bhat, Nagarjun in the garb of bhikhus injected Brahminic venom into the veins of Dhamma. Tales of Jatak were distorted, simple Dhamma was infected with complex rituals. Brahmins led the Dhamma to Tantarikism. In the garb of bhikhu, they committed heinous sins. The end result: Dhamma vanished from its birth place.
The saam is persisting even today.

Dr. Jayaprakash says: a number of Buddha statues have been discovered at places like Ambalapuzha, Karunagapalli, Pallickal, Bharanikkavu, Mavelikara and Neelamperur in Kerala. ‘They are either in the form of smashed pieces or thrown away from viharas. Lord Ayyappa of Sabarimala and Lord Padmanabha at Thiruvananthapuram are the proxy images of Buddha being worshipped as Vishnu. Hundreds of Buddhists were killed on the banks of Aluva river. The term ‘Aluva’ was derived from ‘Alawai’ which means ‘Trisul’, a weapon used by Hindu fanatics to stab Buddhists. Similarly, on the banks of the Vaigai river in Tamilnadu, thousands of Buddhists were killed by the Vaishnava Saint, Sambanthar. Thevaram, a Tamil book, documents this brutal extermination of Buddhism.’

RADHAKRISHNAN’S MISCHIEF: The Brahmins took centuries to complete their job. The most dangerous part is that even today they are using this strategy.
Mischievous “scholars” like Dr. S. Radhakrishnan feel no shame in declaring that the Budha was born a Hindu and died a Hindu.
The Brahminist (Kayasth) Vivekananda feels no shame in depicting Budha’s moral values as that of Brahminism.
RSS fellows shout that Babasaheb is their leader, Budha is their god. Brahmins have no hesitation to join an exclusive Dalit party like BSP under this saam niti. They even go to the extent of claiming that the constitution too describes Budhism under Hinduism. http://palashscape.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/but-how-does-media-treat-dalits-and-the-issues-which-concern-them/

Prof. Bahauddin says: ‘Equality, compassion, non-violence, utilization of human abilities for general welfare, etc. were the cardinal principles of Buddhism. According to ‘Sathpatha Brahmanam (22-6, 3-4-14), on the other hand, the whole universe is controlled by God, God is controlled by Mantram and Mantram is with Brahmins and, therefore, Brahmins are God (on earth). They used Mantram and Sapam to instil fear in the people to obey them, while Buddhism encouraged people to observe visible facts, to apply reason to get out of fear. Buddhism also encouraged people to do good things, besides guiding Kings to look after the people’s welfare. Buddhism considers the general welfare of the people, while Brahminism considers that the whole world was created for them all along. And, there is bound to be conflict between these two opposite ways of thinking.’

SUMMARY OF BRAHMAN ATROCITIES THAT DESTROYED BUDDHISM IN INDIA

1) The Divyavadana (ed. Vaidya, 282). The most important of the murderous Hindu bigots who carried out their systematic campaign of violence against the peaceful followers of Lord Buddha was Pushyamitra (184-48 B.C.), the founder of the Shunga dynasty. For details and refrences do see BELOW

2) Goyal [430] “The culprit in this case was Toramana, a member of the same dynasty as the Shaivite Mihirakula who did “immense damage to the Buddhist shrines in Gandhara, Punjab and Kashmir.” For details and refrences do see BELOW

3) Mihirakula is said to have razed 1600 viharas, stupas and monasteries, and “put to death 900 Kotis, or lay adherents of Buddhism” [Joshi, 404].

4) The Aryamanjushrimulakalpa tells us that Pushyamitra “destroyed monasteries with relics and killed monks of good conduct.” [Jayaswal, 18-19]

5) As Goyal [394] notes, “According to many scholars hostility of the Brahmanas was one of the major causes of the decline of Buddhism in India.”

6) The celebrated Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha mentions the march of Pushyamitra from Madhyadesha to Jalandhara. In the course of his campaigns, the book states, Pushyamitra burned down numerous Buddhist monasteries and killed a number of learned monks The archaeological evidence for the ravages wrought by Pushyamitra and other Hindu fanatic rulers on famous Buddhist shrines is abundant.

7) The Brhannaradiya-purana lays it down as a principal sin for a Brahmana to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril.

8) The drama Mrchchhakatika shows that in Ujjain the Buddhist monks were despised and their sight was considered inauspicious.

9) The Vishnupurana (XVIII 13-18) also regards the Buddha as Mayamoha who appeared in the world to delude the demons. Kumarila is said to have instigated King Sudhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate the Buddhists.

10) The Kerala-utpatti describes how he exterminated the Buddhists from Kerala.”

11) The Chinese traveller Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang), who visited India in the seventh century records the oppressions of Shashanka, the king of Gauda, who was a devotee of Shiva.

12) Yuan Chwang’s account reads, “In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”.

13) Another independent account of Shashanka’s oppressions is found in the Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, which refers to Shashanka destroying “the beautiful image of Buddha” [Jayaswal, 49-50].

14) Another prominent seventh century murderer of Buddhists was Sudhanvan of Ujjain, already mentioned in the quotation from Goyal above as having been supposedly instigated by Kumarila Bhatt.

15) Madhava Acharya, in his “Sankara-digvijayam” of the fourteenth century A.D., records that Suddhanvan “issued orders to put to death all the Buddhists from Ramesvaram to the Himalayas”.

16) Even after the Islamic invasions of India, Hindu bigotry and hatred for Buddhists was not subdued. According to Sharmasvamin, a Tibetan pilgrim who visited Bihar three decades after the invasion of Bakhtiaruddin Khilji in the 12th century, the biggest library at Nalanda was destroyed by Hindu mendicants who took advantage of the chaos produced by the invasion.

He says that “they (Hindus) performed a Yajna, a fire sacrifice, and threw living embers and ashes from the sacrifice into the Buddhist temples. This produced a great conflagration which consumed Ratnabodhi, thenine-storeyed library of the Nalanda University”. [Prakash, 213]. Numerous destroyed Buddhist shrines were converted into Hindu temples after their destruction.

17) Ahir [58] notes that “The Seat of Buddha’s Enlightenment was in the possession of a Hindu Mahant till 1952.

18) Similarly, at Kushinara, where the Buddha had entered into Mahaparinirvana, the cremation stupa had been converted into a Hindu temple, and on top of it stood the temple of Rambhar Bhavani when

Cunningham discovered the site in 1860-61.

19) Among the shrines which still continue to be dedicated to Hindu gods mention may be made of the Caityas of Chezrala and Ter in Andhra Pradesh which are now Shiva and Vishnu temples respectively.

20) The temple of Madhava at Sal Kusa, opposite Gauhati in Asam, was once a sacred shrine of the Buddhists. …

21) And the famous Jagannatha temple at Puri in Orissa was also originally a Buddhist shrine.

22) Similarly, the Vishnupada temple at Gaya was also once a Buddhist shrine.” As Rajendralal Mitra notes in his famous work of 1878 [quoted in Ahir, 59] the feet of Buddha at Gaya were rechristened the feet of Vishnu and held as the most sacred object of worship in the new Vishnupada temple.

23) According to the records of Hieun Tsang and Kalhana’s Rajaatarangini, Asoka the great repented, converted to Buddhism (273-232 BC) and did a lot for Buddhism. Asoka renounced violence, and renounced his religion after the Kalinga war, and he became a Buddhist. During Asoka, Buddhism had become the state religion. The Brahmans did not like him, and many historians think the Brahaman opposition to Asoka led to the destruction of the Muyarian dynasty.

24) In Glimpses of World History Jawahrlal Nehru says the following about the Kushans (emphasis is mine and not Nehru’s): ” This Kushan Empire is interesting in many ways. IT WAS A BUDDHIST EMPIRE, and one of its famous rulers-the Emperor Kanishka-was ardently devoted to the dharma…the Kushans were Mongolians or closely allied to them. From the Kushan capital there must have been a continuous coming and going to the Mongolian homelands, and Buddhist learning and Buddhist culture must have gone to China and Mongolia…the Kushan Empire sat like a colossus astride the back of Asia, in between the Greaco-Roman world in the south. It was a halfway house both between India, and Rome, and India and China. The Kushan period corresponded with the last days of the Roman Republic when Julius Ceaser was alive, and first 200 years of the Roman Empire

25) THE HINDU KASHATRIYA HINDU AND BUDDHIST WARS

Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says (Page 103 and 104) “Chandragupta proclaimed his holy war “against all foreign rulers in India. The Kashatriyas and the Aryan aristocracy, deprived of their power and positions by the aliens (Kushans), were at the back of this war. After a dozen or so years of fighting, Chandragupta managed to gain control over Northern India including what is now called UP. He then crowned himself king of kings. Thus began the Gupta dynasty. It was a period of somewhat aggressive Hinduism and nationalism. The foreign rulers-the Turkis and Parathions and other Non-Aryans were rooted our and forcibly removed. We thus find racial antagonism at work. The Indo-Aryan aristocrat was proud of his race and looked down upon these barbarians and malachas. Indo-Aryan States and rulers were conquered by the Guptas were dealt with leniently, But there was not leniency for non-Aryans.

26) Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “Chandragupta’s son Samadugupta was an even more aggressive fighter than his father….the Kushans were pushed back across the Indus…Samadugupta’s son, Chandragupta II was also a warrior king, and he conquered Kathiwad and Gujrat, which had been under the rule of a Saka or Turki dynasty for a long time. He took the nameVikramaditya…..The Gupta period was a period of Hindu imperialism in India. There was a great revival of old Aryan culture and Sanskrit learning. The Hellenistic, or Greek and Mongolian elements in Indian life

and culture which had been brought by the Greeks, Kushans and others were not encouraged, and were in fact deliberately superseded by laying stress on the Indo-Aryan traditions. Sanskrit was the official court language. But EVEN IN THOSE DAYS SANSKRIT WAS NOT THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE.

The spoken language was a form of Prakrit….Kalidasa belonged to this period ……………. Samadragupta changed the capital of his empire from Pataliputra (Peshawar) to Ayodhia. Perhaps he felt that Ayodhiyaoffered a more suitable outlook–with its story of Ramachandra immortalized in Valmikis epic.

27) HINDU BUDDHIST CONFLICT

Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “The Gupta revival of Aryanism and Hinduism was naturally not very favorably inclined towards Buddhism. This was partly because this movement was aristocratic, with the Kashatriya chiefs backing it, and Buddhism had more democracy in it; partly because the Mahayana form of Buddhism was closely associated with the Kushans and other alien rulers of northern India….but Buddhism declined in India…Chandragupta the first was a contemporary of Constantine the great, the Roman Emperor who founded Constantinople. “

28) HINDU IMPERIALISM SAILS TO THE FAR EAST AND DESTROYS THE MALAY CIVILIZATION

The years of ANO DOMINI saw the beginning of Hindu imperialism outside India. Just like the Ferocious Aryans destroyed the IVC, these Hindu invaders destroyed the 2500 year old civilization of the Malay peninsula and imposed a foreign culture upon the peace loving people of the far east. Local temples were destroyed, people were enslaved, and the local language was abolished. Being polite, Jawahalal Nehru in the

understatement of the century writes in his book Glimpses of World History says:

Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “These colonizing excursions started in the first century after Christ and they continued for a hundred years. All over Malay and Java and Sumatra andCambodia and Borneo they went, and established and took Indian culture with them…..In Burma and Siam and Indo-China there were large Indian colonies. Many times even of the names they gave to their new towns and settlements were borrowed from India-Ayodhia, Hastinapur, Taxila, Gandhara…No doubt Indian colonialists misbehaved wherever they went, as all such colonialists do. They must have exploited the people islands and lorded it over them….Hindu States and empires were established in these eastern islands, and then Buddhist rulers came, and between the Hindu and the Buddhist there was a tussle for mastery. It is a long and ..story………mighty ruins still tell us of the great buildings and temples …..there were great cities…Kamboja, Sri Vijay, Angkor …”

29) During this time Fa-hien visited India to study Buddhism (399 AD) and found “gaya wa waste and desolate“. He gives a detailed account of Buddhist persecution by the Brahman Aryans.

THE ARYAN HUNS INVADE THE IVC. SUN WORSHIPPING and MAHAYANA BUDDHISM PROSECUTEDWith the decline of the Guptas, the nomadic tribes of Central Asia called the Huns invaded India. Their leader was Tormana (500 AD). Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:

“Skandagupta, the fith of the Gupta line had to face this Hun invasion…gradually they spread all over Gandhara and the greater part of Northern India. THEY TORTURED THE BUDDHISTS AND COMMITTED ALL MANNER OF FRIGHTFULNESS”….There must have been continuous warfare against them, but the Guptas could not drive them away. Fresh waves of Huns came …”

‘30) Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:

…Torman installed himself king . He was bad enough, but after him came his son Miharagula, who was an unmitagated savage and fiendishly cruel. Lalhana in his history of Kashmir–the Rajatrangini–tells us that one of is Miharagula’s amusements was to have elephants thrown over the great precipices into the valley below”.

31) Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:

The treatment of men was sometimes worse then that of animals (some of the animals like cows were actually revered because they were Gods). Lower caste Hindus had a misrable life. Other historians have commented that the treatment of women was even worse, specially women of lower castes, they were considered the “property” of the upper caste Hindus, to be molested and/or raped at will. In many cases the new bride had to stay a night with the village Brahman before she was married off. Kashmir converted to Islam during this time period. It was cruelty like this that led to the whole sale conversion to Islam. The new religion offered them equality and saved them from the Brahmans.

32) Jawaharlal Nehru says, “Soon however the Hun power weakened in India… the Huns have been defeated and driven back, but many remain in odd corners. The Great Gupta dynasty fades away after Balditya.

33) HUNS DEFEATED. HARSHA VARDHANA TRIES TO REVIVE BUDDHISM

Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:

“The Huns killed the Raja of Kanauj and made his wife Rajashiri a prisoner. Thereupon Rajashiri’s brother Raja came to fight the Huns and bacme an emperor (606-647 AD). The Chinese traveler Hiuen Tsang visited India at this time, he gives a very harsh account of the conditions of India, and writes extensively of the persucution of Buddhists. Harshas ancestors were sun worshippers, however he was also attracted towards the Mahayana form of Buddhism. The Brahmans were very displeased with him and even conspired to kill him. Harsha spent time and money on arts and literature, and drama, and was probably the last great Buddhist emperor of India. He extensivle wrote of the atrocities com itted by the Hindusagainst the Buddhists in India.

34) Jawahalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says ” Harsha was a keen Buddhist. Buddhism as a separate faith, had weakened greatly in India, …he was a pious Buddhist, and he came to visit the sacred places of Buddhism and to take with him the scriptures of the faith .”

35) THE ARYAN RAJPUT INVASION

The death of Harsha ushered in an era of anarchy again. The Rajputs were the invaders this time. This era is called the Rajput era. According to Tod, the Rajputs were the descendants of Sakas, Huns, Ushans, Gujaaras

etc.

36) According to Rajatarangini of Kalhana which forms a major source of our history, Duralabhavardhana founded a new royal dynasty about the middle of the 7th century. Lalitaditya ascended the thorne in 724 AD and he conquered large areas of India and brought it under Kashmiri rule. After him (750 AD) the power of Kashmir receded.

37) Jiyapida, the grandson of Lalitaditya tried to revive the reputation of the Karkota dynasty. The Karkota dynasty was replaced by the Utpala dynasty about the middle of the 9th century. The Rajputs were true Hindus and patronized Hindu religion and culture in all of India.

The following is for the negationists who have been trying to conceal the record of the Bloody Sword of Hinduism in India. The massacres and oppression perpetrated by Hindus out of religious hatred for Buddhists in ancient times are a matter of the historical record. Yet, for reasons best known to themselves, negationists like Mr. Rajiv Varma have been trying to conceal the hideous, blood-stained record of Hinduism.

The truth must be told. After the enlightenment of Gautama, the Buddha, in 483 B.C. his message and his teachings spread across the face of India and Asia. Everywhere, they encountered hostility and religious persecution from Hindu rulers and priests. The conversion of Ashoka, who ruled over much of India in the third century B.C., did much to counter this. After Ashoka’s death, however, the campaign of violence against Buddhists by Hindus began in earnest.

38) The most important of the murderous Hindu bigots who carried out their systematic campaign of violence against the peaceful followers of Lord Buddha was Pushyamitra (184-48 B.C.), the founder of the Shunga dynasty.

39) The Divyavadana (ed. Vaidya, 282) tells us that this king resolved to annihilate the teachings of the Buddha. He destroyed stupas, burned monasteries, and killed monks as far as Shakala, where he made the infamous declaration: “Whosoever gives me the head of a Shramana, him I shall give a hundred gold coins.”

40) The Aryamanjushrimulakalpa tells us that Pushyamitra “destroyed monasteries with relics and killed monks of good conduct.” [Jayaswal, 18-19]. In his famous “History of Buddhism In India“, written in 1608 A.D. the celebrated Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha mentions the march of Pushyamitra from Madhyadesha to Jalandhara. In the course of his campaigns, the book states, Pushyamitra burned down numerous Buddhistmonasteries and killed a number of learned monks The archaeological evidence for the ravages wrought by Pushyamitra and other Hindu fanatic rulers on famous Buddhist shrines is abundant.

41) Marshall [I.] records evidence of damage done to Buddhist establishments at Takshashila. Goyal [430] notes that at Sanchi, “there is all too clear evidence of damage wrought during the age of Pushyamitra“. At Kaushambi, he continues, there is also evidence of the destruction and burning of the great monastery of Ghoshitarama in the second century B.C. The culprit in this case was Toramana, a member of the same dynasty as the Shaivite Mihirakula who did “immense damage to the Buddhist shrines in Gandhara,Punjab and Kashmir.”

42) Mihirakula is said to have razed 1600 viharas, stupas and monasteries, and “put to death 900 Kotis, or lay adherents of Buddhism” [Joshi, 404]. As the revival of Brahmanical Hinduism progressed, atrocities against

43) Buddhists increased both in strength and in number. As Goyal [394] notes, “According to many scholars hostility of the Brahmanas was one of the major causes of the decline of Buddhism in India.” The hatred poured out against Buddhists in Hindu scriptures offers ample evidence of this. To quote Goyal again [394-5]:

44) “Yajnavalkya (I. 271-72) declares that the very sight of a Buddhist monk, even in dreams, is inauspicious“. The Brhannaradiya-purana lays it down as a principal sin for a Brahmana to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril. The drama Mrchchhakatika shows that in Ujjain the Buddhist monks were despised and their sight was considered inauspicious.

45) The Vishnupurana (XVIII 13-18) also regards the Buddha as Mayamoha who appeared in the world to delude the demons. Kumarila is said to have instigated King Sudhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate the Buddhists. … The Kerala-utpatti describes how he exterminated the Buddhists from Kerala.”

46) The Chinese traveller Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang), who visited India in the seventh century records the oppressions of Shashanka, the king of Gauda, who was a devotee of Shiva. Yuan Chwang’s account reads,

“In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”. Another independent account of Shashanka’s oppressions is found in the Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, which refers to Shashanka destroying “the beautiful image of Buddha” [Jayaswal, 49-50].

48) Another prominent seventh century murderer of Buddhists was Sudhanvan of Ujjain, already mentioned in the quotation from Goyal above as having been supposedly instigated by Kumarila Bhatt. Madhava Acharya, in his “Sankara-digvijayam” of the fourteenth century A.D., records that Suddhanvan “issued orders to put to death all the Buddhists from Ramesvaram to the Himalayas“.

49) Even after the Islamic invasions of India, Hindu bigotry and hatred for Buddhists was not subdued. According to Sharmasvamin, a Tibetan pilgrim who visited Bihar three decaes after the invasion of Bakhtiaruddin Khilji in the 12th century, the biggest library at Nalanda was destroyed by Hindu mendicants who took advantage of the chaos produced by the invasion. He says that “they (Hindus) performed a Yajna, a fire sacrifice, and threw living embers and ashes from the sacrifice into the Buddhist temples. Thisproduced a great conflagration which consumed Ratnabodhi, the nine-storeyed library of the Nalanda University”. [Prakash, 213].

50) Numerous destroyed Buddhist shrines were converted into Hindu temples after their destruction. Ahir [58] notes that “The Seat of Buddha’s Enlightenment was in the possession of a Hindu Mahant till 1952.Similarly, at Kushinara, where the Buddha had entered into Mahaparinirvana, the cremation stupa had been converted into a Hindu temple, and on top of it stood the temple of Rambhar Bhavani when Cunningham discovered the site in 1860-61. Among the shrines which still continue to be dedicated to Hindu gods mention may be made of the Caityas of Chezrala and Ter in Andhra Pradesh which are now Shiva and Vishnu temples respectively. The temple of Madhava at Sal Kusa, opposite Gauhati in Asam, was once a sacred shrine of the Buddhists. … And the famous Jagannatha temple at Puri in Orissa was also originally a Buddhist shrine. Similarly, the Vishnupada temple at Gaya was also once a Buddhist shrine.”As Rajendralal Mitra notes in his famous work of 1878 [quoted in Ahir, 59] the feet of Buddha at Gaya were rechristened the feet of Vishnu and held as the most sacred object of worship in the new Vishnupada temple.

51) Shankara (ca. AD 800) was the Vedantin who polemicized against Buddhism

Hinduism’s record of violence and bigotry against the peaceful followers of Lord Buddha is unparalleled. I trust this marshalling of the available evidence for the benefit of readers who may not have had access to it will impel negationists like Varma to accept and apologise for the crimes committed in the name of Hinduism.

After hundreds of years of conflict the Brahmans took complete control of the system. They owned the people and the lands. This era of absolute Brahaman control is the darkest era of Hinduism. Many Hindus and other rebelled against the Brahamin injustices meeted out to the people.

Prof. Bahauddin describes destruction of Jainism: ‘Very little information is available about growth of Jainism in South India during 300-400 AD. The Jain book, ‘Digambara Darsana’, recounts the starting of a Sangham at Madurai in 470 AD and Jainism became widespread and strong during 500-600 AD (Kumaraswamy Iyengar, ‘Studies in South Indian Jainism’, p. 51-58)….. The Jains used to instal the images of their saints in their religious places, a practice which was followed by Brahmins. Hindu temples appeared all over Tamilnadu probably after converting the Jain religious places. The idols of 63 Brahmin Sanyasis, who led destruction of Jainism, still adorn the walls of some Hindu temples in Tamilnadu. The remains of destroyed Jain idols, their abandoned religious and living places are scattered all over Tamilnadu to narrate their story. Frescos depicting the kings of Jains could be seen on the walls near the Golden Tank at Madurai Meenakshi Temple where, of the total 12 annual festivals, five depict the killing of Jains according to Kumaraswamy Iyengar (p. 78-79).’

HINDU AUTHORS LISTING CARNAGE: Kora-Panda, Mahabharta, Prakrit and other wars: THE DUPLICTIOUS GUILEFUL LUBRICIOUS SHIFTY SNEAKY POLICIES OF THE WORST OF THE BRAHMANS WHO WERE BENT ON TOTAL DOMINATION OF THE DOWNTRODDEN MASSES LED TO THE GENOCIDE OF THE BUDDHISTS.

THE EXTREMIST BRAHMANS MASSACRED MILLIONS OF OTHER HINDUS IN THE INTERNECINE INTER-ARYAN and ARYAN-DRAVIDIAN WARS, ENSLAVED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS AS DALITS, AND DECIMATED MILLIONS OF BUDDHISTS—THEN THE BRIGHT BIGOTS AMONG THE BRAHMANS ATTEMPTED TO DISGUISE THEIR BRUTAL PAST BY WHITE WASHING THEIR BLOODY PAST HIDING IT UNDER PANAGLOSSIAN GLOSS THEN PASTING A VENEER OF NON-VIOLENCE AND PUTTING UP SARGENT MAJOR MOHANDAS GANDHI –THE ADULTERER RACIST AS THEIR ICON.

Buddhism challenges Hinduism in the Valley of the Indus and the Valley of the Ganges:

Around the 5th century B.C Buddhism took root in the subcontinent. Suddharta (Gautam Buddh) rejected the caste system, the Hindu writings and the absolute power of the Brahmans. Around 468 B.C. Jainism and Buddhism appeared on the scene. Both Buddhism and Jainism competed with the tenants of Hinduism.

Buddhist-Hindu wars claimed many lives. The Muyara and the Gupta dynasties are chronologies of this time period. Many Zorastrian, Hindu and other kings converted to Buddhism and spread it to the four corners of the subcontinent and beyond.

“If you can’t win ‘em join ‘em”. Gautam Buddha was such a dynamic sage, that after his death, many enlightened Hindus have adopted him as a God.

Even some Muslims consider him a prophet. Buddhism is different from Hinduism. Though many Hindus later regard Buddha as God, the Brahmans were always leery of Buddhists because Buddhist teachings reduced the power of the Brahmins. Buddhism is fundamentally different than Hinduism because it does not believe in the caste system. Because of the lack of the caste system, the Brahmans didnot like Buddhists.

This is what Suresh says:

‘Except for brief period after Ashoka’s time, it(Buddhism) had always been associated with violence(wars) and nationalism. Always in rebellion against Hinduism.”

Horrific examples from Southeast Asia in general (where the majority of Buddhists practice the same form of Buddhism as in Sri Lanka), attest to this belief: Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, Thailand and Japan(Buddhist-Zen beliefs). Especially in Thailand which had its share of Buddhist influence from the Sinhala-Buddhist clergy, Thai clergy gets involved in politics and its public positions have nationalistic overtones.

THE MACEDONIAN “GREEK” INFLUENCE ON BUDDHISM AND BACTERIAN COLONIES

One of the few direct results of the Macedonian “Greek” invasions of India was the establishment of Macedonian “Greek” colonies in “India”. One of Asokas edicts refers to the existence of Yavana (“Greek”) settlers on the fringes of his empire. We now know that he was referring to the area of Hunza. Actually after the fall of the Muyeria (“Greek”) kingdoms in India, the Bacterians formed a number of Greek kingdoms in the area in and around Kashmir. In fact Chandragupta actually faced Alexander for military help (324-300 BC) but did not secure it. On the eve of Alexander’s invasion, Kashmir was called Abhisara. Abhisara consisted of the districts of Punch and Naushara.

THE MUYARAS, JAINISM AND THE SPREAD OF BUDDIHISM in the IV and GV

The foundation of the Maurya empire in the brought a new dimension to “India”. Chandragupta Muyara was a Jain. One of the most brutal massacres of Hindus occurred at the hands of the Muyara kings, Asoka, during the battle of Kalinga. Some historians put the number at 300,000 (akin to 3 million in present day numbers). Contrary to BJP belief, all massacres in India were not committed by Muslims, Persians and Arabs. According to the records of Hieun Tsang and Kalhana’s Rajaatarangini, Asoka the great repented, converted to Buddhism (273-232 BC) and did a lot for Buddhism. Asoka renounced violence, and renounced his religion after the Kalinga war, and he became a Buddhist. During Asoka, Buddhism had become the state religion. The Brahmans did not like him, and many historians think the Brahaman opposition to Asoka led to the destruction of the Muyarian dynasty.

THE BACTERIANS INVADE THE INDUS VALLEY & BUDDHISM REPLACES ZORASTRIANISMWith political disunity in the subcontinent, many foreigners invaded India. Alexander’s kingdom was divided. The Bacterians invaded India (250 BC).

One of the Greek influences was the enshrinement of the father of Buddhism in a statue and his elevation to the status of God. Later, Buddhism split up into Mahayana and Hanayana sects. Mahayana was exported to the orient, while Hanayana pretty much shrunk to an unceremonial non-existance in India (though it still sruvives in, Sri Lanka, and Tibet, and also in Laos and Kampuchia)

While Buddhism was flourishing in “India”, Cunfuciansim was being preached in China, and Zorastrianism was being preached in Persia. The Sassandis were in power in Persia and were in a constant state of war . The Sassanids were under Ardeshir who was an ardent supporter of Zorastrianism. He enforced Zorastrianism on all of Persia. Much much later in the sevent century the defeat of the Sassanides in Persia led to the expulsion of Parsis to India in the seventh century.

THE KUSHANS THE BUDDHIST EMPIRE OF IV AND AFGHANISTANMany different races invaded the IV and made it their home. From the ashes of the Muyara empire, rose the Kushan dynasty. Kanishka the conqueror rose to power (78 AD) and began a new Buddhist era in India. He annexed the Indus Valley and conquered Kashmir. He set up his head quarters in Purushapura (Peshawar in present day Pakistan). Throughout a long duration in Indian history, the largest repositories of books were the Buddhist universities. In fact many non-Buddhist scholars had studied under Buddhist teachers.

In Glimpses of World History Jawahrlal Nehru says the following about the Kushans (emphasis is mine and not Nehru’s):

“This Kushan Empire is interesting in many ways. IT WAS A BUDDHIST EMPIRE, and one of its famous rulers-the Emperor Kanishka-was ardently devoted to the dharma…the Kushans were Mongolians or closely allied to them. From the Kushan capital there must have been a continuous coming and going to the Mongolian homelands, and Buddhist learning and Buddhist culture must have gone to China and Mongolia…the Kushan Empire sat like a colossus astride the back of Asia, in between the Greaco-Roman world in the south. It was a halfway house both between India, and Rome, and India and China. The Kushan period corresponded with the last days of the Roman Republic when Julius Ceaser was alive, and first 200 years of the Roman Empire

Kanishka was originally a Zorastrian. His coins display the sun god. Later in life he supported Buddhism (to the ire of the Hindu Brahmans). Kanishka had convened the Buddhist Council to spread Buddhism instead of Hinduism in the subcontinent (much to the disgust of the Brahmans ). During Asoka, Buddhism had become the state religion. Hinduism survived only due to Indian princes like Gautamiputra Satkarni.

Jawahalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:

“the Kushans themselves had followed Indo-Aryan traditions to a large extent. This was indeed the reason why they manged to stay in India and rule over large parts of it for a long time. They wanted to behave as Indo Aryans, and wanted the people of the country to forget that they were aleins. They succeeded in some measure, but not quite, for among the Kashatrayas especially the feeling rankled that aliens wer ruling over them. They chafed under this foreign rule, and so the ferment grew and peoples minds were troubled. Ultimately these disaffected people found a capable leader, and under his banner they started a “holy war” as it is called to free Aryavarta. This leader was called Chandragupta. (Not be confused wiith the other Chandragupta, the grandfather of the Mauryan dynesty…this happened 534 years after Asokas death)”

THE GUPTAS AND THE REVIVAL OF HINDUISM, END OF BUDDHISM IN THE IVC and GVC

With the fall of the Muyara and the Kushan dynasty, the Guptas came to power (beginning of the fourth century AD) with their independent kingdoms. Dr. R.C. Majumdar writes that The empire of Samudragupta

included the whole of Northern India. The Gupta period saw the distinct revival of Hinduism in the subcontinent. Buddhism declined, and never did rise in India.

THE HINDU KASHATRIYA HINDU AND BUDDHIST WARS

Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says (Page 103 and 104) “Chandragupta proclaimed his holy war “against all foreign rulers in India. The Kashatriyas and the Aryan aristocracy, deprived of their power and positions by the aliens (Kushans), were at the back of this war. After a dozen or so years of fighting, Chandragupta managed to gain control over Northern India including what is now called UP. He then crowned himself king of kings. Thus began the Gupta dynasty. It was a period of somewhatagressive Hinduism and nationalism. The foreign rulers-the Turkis and Parathions and other Non-Aryans were rooted our and forcibly removed. We thus find racial antagonism at work. The Indo-Aryan aritrocrat was proud of his race and looked down upon these barbarians and malachas. Indo-Aryan States and rulers were conquered by the Guptas were dealt with leniently, But there was not leniency for non-Aryans.

Chandragupta’s son Samadugupta was an even more agressive fighter than his father….the Kushans were pushed back across the Indus……..Samadugupta’s son, Chandragupta II was also a warrior king,and he conquered Kathiwad and Gujrat, which had been under the rule of a Saka or Turki dynasty for a long time. He took the name Vikramaditya…..The Gupta period was a period of Hindu imperialism in

India. There was a great revival of old Aryan culture and Sanskrit learning. The Hellenistic, or Greek and Mongolian elements in Indian life and culture which had been brought by the Greeks, Kushans and others were not encouraged, and were in fact deliberately superseded by laying stress on the Indo-Aryan traditions. Sanskrit was the official court language. But EVEN IN THOSE DAYS SANSKRIT WAS NOT THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE.

HINDU BUDDHIST CONFLICT

The Gupta revival of Aryanism and Hinduism was naturally not very favorably inclined towards Buddhism. This was partly because this movement was aristocratic, with the Kashatriya chiefs backing it, and Buddhism had more democracy in it; partly because the Mahayana form of Buddhism was closely associated with the Kushans and other alien rulers of northern India….but Buddhism declined in India…Chandragupta the first was a contemporary of Constantine the great, the Roman Emperor who founded Constantinople. “

BRAHMIN IMPERIALISM SAILS TO THE FAR EAST AND DESTROYS THE MALAY CIVILIZATION

understatement of the century writes in his book Glimpses of World History says:

“These colonizing excursions started in the first century after Christ and they continued for a hundred years. All over Malay and Java and Sumatra and Cambodia and Borneo they went, and established and took Indian culture with them…..In Burma and Siam and Indo-China there were large Indian colonies. Many times even of the names they gave to their new towns and settlements were borrowed from India-Ayodhia, Hastinapur, Taxila, Gandhara…No doubt Indian colonialists misbehaved wherever they went, asall such colonialists do. They must have exploited the people islands and lorded it over them….Hindu States and empires were established in these eastern islands, and then Buddhist rulers came, and between the Hindu and the Buddhist there was a tussle for mastery. It is a long and ..story………mighty ruins still tell us of the great buildings and temples …..there were great cities…Kamboja, Sri Vijay, Angkor …”

During this time Fa-hien visited India to study Buddhism (399 AD) and found “gaya wa waste and desolate”. He gives a detailed account of Buddhist persecution by the Brahman Aryans.

“Skandagupta, the fith of the Gupta line had to face this Hun invasion…gradually they spread all over Gandhara and the greater part of Northern India. THEY TORTURED THE BUDDHISTS AND COMMITTED ALL MANNER OF FRIGHTFULNESS”….There must have been continuous warfare against them, but the Guptas could not drive them away. Fresh waves of Huns came …”‘…Torman installed himself king . He was bad enough, but after him came his son Miharagula, who was an unmitagated savage and fiendishly cruel.

Lalhana in his history of Kashmir–the Rajatrangini–tells us that one of his Miharagula’s amusements was to have elephants thrown over the great precipices into the valley below”.

The treatment of men was sometimes worse then that of animals (some of the animals like cows were actually revered because they were Gods). Lower caste Hindus had a misrable life. Other historians have commented that the treatment of women was even worse, specially women of lower castes, they were considered the “property” of the upper caste Hindus, to be molested and/or raped at will. In many cases the new bride had to stay a night with the village Brahman before she was married off. Kashmir converted to Islam during this time period. It was cruelty like this that led to the whole sale conversion to Islam. The new religion offered them equality and saved them from the Brahmans.

Jawaharlal Nehru says, “Soon however the Hun power weakened in India… the Huns have been defeated and driven back, but many remain in odd corners. The Great Gupta dynasty fades away after Balditya.

HUNS DEFEATED. HARSHA VARDHANA TRIES TO REVIVE BUDDHISM in the IVCThe Huns killed the Raja of Kanauj and made his wife Rajashiri a prisoner. Thereupon Rajashiri’s brother Raja came to fight the Huns and bacme an emperor (606-647 AD). The Chinese traveler Hiuen Tsang visited India at this time, he gives a very harsh account of the conditions of India, and writes extensively of the persucution of Buddhists. Harshas ancestors were sun worshippers, however he was also attracted towards the Mahayana form of Buddhism. The Brahmans were very displeased with him and even conspired to kill him. Harsha spent time and money on arts and literature, and drama, and was probably the last great Buddhist emperor of India. He extensivle wrote of the atrocities committed by the Hindus against the Buddhists in India.

Jawahalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says ” Harsha was a keen Buddhist. Buddhism as a separate faith, had weakened greatly in India, …he was a pious Buddhist, and he came to visit the sacred places of Buddhism and to take with him the scriptures of the faith .”

THE ARYAN RAJPUT INVASION into the IVCThe death of Harsha ushered in an era of anarchy again. The Rajputs were the invaders this time. This era is called the Rajput era. According to Tod, the Rajputs were the descendants of Sakas, Huns, Ushans, Gujaaras

etc.

According to Rajatarangini of Kalhana which forms a major source of our history, Duralabhavardhana founded a new royal dynasty about the middle of the 7th century. Lalitaditya ascended the thorne in 724 AD and he conquered large areas of India and brought it under Kashmiri rule. After him (750 AD) the power of Kashmir receded.

Jiyapida, the grandson of Lalitaditya tried to revive the reputation of the Karkota dynasty. The Karkota dynasty was replaced by the Utpala dynasty about the middle of the 9th century. The Rajputs were true Hindus and patronized Hindu religion and culture in all of India.

Disappearance of Buddhism From India: An Untold Story Disappearance of Buddhism From India: An Untold Story by Naresh Kumar

The complete disappearance of the religion of the Buddha from the land of its birth is one of the greatest puzzles of history. Once holding sway throughout the length and breadth of the subcontinent, Buddhism today survives only in the Himalayan fringes along the Tibetan frontier and in small pockets in northern and western India among recent Ambedkarite Dalit converts.

Various theories have been put forward which seek to explain the tragic eclipse of Buddhism from India. According to one view, corruption in the Buddhist sangha or priesthood precipitated Buddhism’s ultimate decline. While it is true that with time the Buddhist priests became increasingly lax in the observance of religious rules, corruption alone cannot explain the death of Buddhism. After all, Buddhism was replaced by an even more corrupt Brahminism. Another theory is that Buddhism disappeared from India in the wake of the Arab and Turkish invasions in which many Buddhists were said to have been killed. However, this theory,too, seems not to be convincing as a complete explanation of the extinction of Buddhism in India .

Since Buddhism was replaced by triumphant Brahminism, the eclipse of Buddhism in India was obviously primarily a result of the Brahminical revival. The Buddha was a true revolutionaryâ€”and his crusade against Brahminical supremacy won him his most ardent followers from among the oppressed castes. The Buddha challenged the divinity of the Vedas, the bedrock of Brahminism. He held that all men are equal and that the caste system or varnashramadharma, to which the Vedas and Other Brah’minical’ books had given religious sanction, was completely false. Thus, in the Anguttara Nikaya, the Buddha is said to have exhorted the Bhikkus, saying, â€œJust, O brethren, as the great rivers, when they have emptied themselves into the Great Ocean, lose their different names and are known as the Great Ocean Just so, O brethren, do the four varnasâ€”Kshatriya, Brahmin, Vaishya and Sudraâ€”when they begin to follow the doctrine and discipline propounded by the Tathagata [i.e. theBuddha], renounce the different names of caste and rank and become the members of one and the same society.â€

The Buddhaâ€^TMs fight against Brahminism won him many enemies from among the Brahmins. They were not as greatly opposed to his philosophical teachings as they were to his message of universal brotherhood and equality for it directly challenged their hegemony and the scriptures that they had invented to legitimize this. To combat Buddhism and revive the tottering Brahminical hegemony, Brahminical revivalists resorted to a three-pronged strategy. Firstly, they launched a campaign of hatred and persecution against the Buddhists. Then, they appropriated many of the finer aspects of Buddhism into their own system so as to win over the “lower” caste Buddhist masses, but made sure that this selective appropriation did not in any way undermine Brahminical hegemony. The final stage in this project to wipeout Buddhism was to propound and propagate the myth that the Buddha was merely another â€˜incarnationâ€^TM (avatar) of the Hindu god Vishnu. Buddha was turned into just another of the countless deities of the Brahminical pantheon.

The Buddhists were finally absorbed into the caste system, mainly as Shudras and â€˜Untouchablesâ€^TM, and with that the Buddhist presence was completely obliterated from the land of its birth. Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar writes in his book, The Untouchables, that the ancestors of today’s Dalits were Buddhists who were reduced to the lowly status of â€˜untouchablesâ€^TMfor not having accepted the supremacy of the Brahmins.

They were kept apart from other people and were forced to live in ghettos of their own. Being treated worse that beasts of burden and forbidden to receive any education, these people gradually lost touch with Buddhism, but yet never fully reconciled themselves to the Brahminical order. Many of them later converted to Islam, Sikhism and Christianity in a quest for liberation from the Brahminical religion.

To lend legitimacy to their campaign against Buddhism, Brahminical texts included fierce strictures against Buddhists. Manu, in his Manusmriti, laid down that, â€œIf a person touches a Buddhist [â€¦] he shall purify himself by having a bath.â€ Aparaka ordained the same in his Smriti. Vradha Harit declared entry into a Buddhist temple a sin, which could only be expiated for by taking a ritual bath. Even dramas and other books for lay people written by Brahmins contained venomous propaganda against the Buddhists.

In the classic work, Mricchakatika, (Act VII), the hero Charudatta, on seeing a Buddhist monk pass by, exclaims to his friend Maitriyaâ€” “Ah! Here is an inauspicious sight, a Buddhist monk coming towards us.” The Brahmin Chanakya, author of Arthashastra, declared that, “When a person entertains in a dinner dedicated to gods and ancestors those who are Sakyas (Buddhists), Ajivikas, Shudras and exiled persons, a fine of one hundred panas shall be imposed on him.” Shankaracharaya, the leader of the Brahminical revival, struck terror into the hearts of the Buddhists with his diatribes against their religion.

The simplicity of the Buddhaâ€^TMs message, its stress on equality and its crusade against the bloody and costly sacrifices and ritualism of Brahminism had attracted the oppressed casts in large numbers. The Brahminical revivalists understood the need to appropriate some of these finer aspects of Buddhism and discarded some of the worst of their own practices so as to be able to win over the masses back to the Brahminical fold. Hence began the process of theassimilation of Buddhism by Brahminism. The Brahimns, who were once voracious beef-eaters, turned vegetarian, imitating the Buddhists in this regard. Popular devotion to the Buddha was sought to be replaced by devotion to Hindu gods such as Rama and Krishna. The existing version of the Mahabharata was written in the period in which the decline of Buddhism had already begun, and it was specially meant for the Shudras, most of whom were Buddhists, to attract them away from Buddhism. Brahminism, however, still prevented the Shudras from having access to the Vedas, and the Mahabharata was possibly written to placate

the Buddhist Shudras and to compensate them for this discrimination. The Mahabharata incorporated some of the humanistic elements of Buddhism to win over the

Shudras, but, overall, played its role of bolstering the Brahminical hegemony rather well. Thus, Krishna, in the Gita, is made to say that a person ought not to violate the â€œdivinely ordainedâ€ law of caste. Eklavya is made to slice off his thumb by Drona, who is finds it a gross violation of dharma that a mere tribal boy should excel the Kshatriya Arjun in archery.

The various writer of the puranas, too, carried on this systematic campaign of hatred, slander and calumny against the Buddhists. The Brahannardiya Purana made it a principal sin for Brahmins to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril.

The Vishnu Purana dubs the Buddha as Maha Moha or â€˜the great seducerâ€^TM. It further cautions against the â€œsin of conversing with Buddhistsâ€ and lays down that â€œthose who merely talk to Buddhist ascetics shall be sent to hell.â€ In the Gaya Mahatmaya, the concluding section of the Vayu Purana, the town of Gaya is identified as Gaya Asura, a demon who had attained such holiness that all those who saw him or touched him went straight to heaven.

Clearly, this â€˜demonâ€^TM was none other the Buddha who preached a simple way for all, including the oppressed castes, to attain salvation. The Vayu Purana story goes on to add that Yama, the king of hell, grew jealous at this, possibly because less people were now entering his domains. He appealed to the gods to limit the powers of Asura Gaya. This the gods, led by Vishnu, were able to do by placing a massive stone on the â€œdemonâ€^TMsâ€ head. This monstrous legend signified the ultimate capture of Budhdhismâ€^TMs most holy centre by its most inveterate foes.

Kushinagar, also known as Harramba, was one of the most important Buddhist centres as the Buddha breathed his last there. The Brahmins, envious of the prosperity of this pilgrim town and in order to discourage people from going there, invented the absurd theory that one who dies in Harramba goes to hell, or is reborn as an ass, while he who dies in Kashi, the citadel of Brahminism, goes straight to heaven. So pervasive was the belief in this bizarre theory that when the Sufi saint Kabir died in 1518 AD at Maghar, not far from Kushinagar, some of his Hindu followers refused to erect any memorial in his honour there and instead set up one at Kashi. Kabir’s Muslim followers were less superstitious. They set up a tomb for him at Maghar itself.

In addition to vilifying the fair name of the Buddha, the Brahminical revivalists goaded Hindu kings to persecute and even slaughter innocent Buddhists.

Sasanka, the Shaivite Brahmin king of Bengal, murdered the last Buddhist emperor Rajyavardhana, elder brother of Harshavardhana, in 605 AD and then marched on to

Bodh Gaya where he destroyed the Bodhi tree under which the Buddha had attained enlightenment. He forcibly removed the Buddha’s image from the Bodh Vihara near the tree and installed one of Shiva in its place. Finally, Sasanka is said to have slaughtered all the Buddhist monks in the area around Kushinagar.

The extermination of Buddhism in India was hastened by the large-scale destruction and appropriation of Buddhist shrines by the Brahmins. The Mahabodhi Vihara at Bodh Gaya was forcibly converted into a Shaivite temple, and the controversy lingers on till this day. The cremation stupa of the Buddha at Kushinagar was changed into a Hindu temple dedicated to the obscure deity with the name of Ramhar Bhavani.

¬her such Hindu king was, Mihirakula, a Shaivite, who is said to have completely destroyed over 1500 Buddhist shrines. The Shaivite Toramana is said to have destroyed the Ghositarama Buddhist monastery at Kausambi.

Adi Shankara is said to have established his Sringeri Mutth on the site of a Buddhist monastery which he took over. Many Hindu shrines in Ayodhya are said to have once been Buddhist temples, as is the case with other famous Brahminical temples such as those at Sabarimala, Tirupati, Badrinath and Puri.

India: Unable to bear the Brutal Brahamanic persecution– Buddhism survives in South East Asia

The land of Pakistan has been a cradle of ancient civilizations. With well-developed cities, Indus Valley Civilization was contemporary to the Nile, Mesopotamia and Yellow River Civilizations. Over 2,000 years ago, Gandhara Buddhist Civilization flourished in northern Pakistan, with Taxila as a seat of Buddhist learning. Rev. Maranantha, a famous Buddhist monk, came from what is now Pakistan in the fourth century and introduced Buddhism to the Korean Kingdom of Baekje.

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Prehistoric: Original Indus Valley Civilisation: meditation, asceticism.1800 – 1500 BCE.: Invasion of Aryans in India: Introduction of Vedas, Brahma, priesthood, caste system, ritual offering.1500 BCE onwards: development of (pre-) Hindu schools like Mimamsa, Samkhya, Vedanta.
590-470 BCE: Mahavir – Founder of Jainism, contemporary of the Buddha.
624-560 BCE: Birth of Siddhartha Gautama
589-525 BCE: Enlightenment of the Buddha in Bodhgaya (at age 36). During the full-moon night of July, the Buddha delivers his first discourse near Varanasi, introducing the world to the Four Noble Truths and commencing a 45-year career of teaching the religion he called “Dhamma-vinaya”.
544-480 BCE: Passing away of Gautama Buddha.
543 -479 BCE: 1st Buddhist Council in Rajaghgraha during the rains retreat following the Buddha’s Parinibbana. 500 Arahant Bhikkhus, led by Ven. Mahakassapa, gather to recite the entire body of the Buddha’s teachings. The recitation of the Vinaya by Ven. Upali becomes accepted as the Vinaya Pitaka; the recitation of the Dhamma by Ven. Ananda becomes established as the Sutta Pitaka. {1,4}
443-379 BCE: 2nd Buddhist Council in Vesali, 100 years after the Buddha’s parinirvana, to discuss controversial points of Vinaya. The first schism of the Sangha occurs, in which the Mahasanghika school parts ways with the traditionalist Sthaviravadins. At issue is the Mahasanghika’s reluctance to accept the Suttas and the Vinaya as the final authority on the Buddha’s teachings. This schism marks the first beginnings of what would later evolve into Mahayana Buddhism.
297 BCE: King Asoka (274-236 BCE) converted to Buddhism; Buddhism developed from small local group to state religion.
247 (308?) BCE : 3rd Buddhist Council, convened by King Asoka at Pataliputra (Patan?) India. Disputes on points of doctrine lead to further schisms, spawning the Sarvastivadin and Vibhajjavadin sects. The two Pitakas are enlarged to include the Abidhamma, forming the Tripitaka (three baskets.)The Abhidhamma Pitaka is recited at the Council. The modern Pali Tipitaka is now essentially complete, although some scholars have suggested that at least two parts of the extant Canon — the Parivara in the Vinaya, and the Apadana in the Sutta — may date from a later period. Asoka sends missionaries to Sri Lanka ( his son Mahindra), Kanara, Karnataka, Kashmir, Himalaya region, Burma, Afghanistan and even Egypt, Macedonia and Cyrene.
240 BCE Sri Lanka: Ven. Mahinda establishes the Mahavihara (Great Monastery) of Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka. The Vibhajjavadin community living there becomes known as the Theravadins. Mahinda’s sister, Ven. Sanghamitta, arrives in Sri Lanka with a cutting from the original Bo tree, and establishes the bhikkhuni-sangha (nuns) in Sri Lanka.
236 BCE India: After death of Asoka, period of persecution of Buddhism under Pusyamitra Sunga
1st Cent BCE India: Erection of the great Stupa at Sanchi. The Ratnaguna Samcayagatha–a summary of the Prajna Paramita is written down. This includes the oldest literal reference to Bodhisattva, Mahasattva, and Bodhiyana.
94 BC Shri Lanka: 4th Buddhist Council (acc. to Theravadins) at Cave Aloka in Malaya district – see also 2nd Century India for another ’4th Council’.
35 BCE Sri Lanka (or 100BCE?): King Vattagamani orders the Buddhist teachings (Theravada canon) to be committed to writing. Division between Mahavira and Abhayagiri vihara in Sri Lanka.
65 CE China: First historic proof of Buddhist community.
1st Cent CE Thailand and Burma: monks from Sri Lanka establish Theravada.
2nd Century India: 4th Buddhist Council in Jalandhar, India under royal patron Kaniska.
2nd Century India: Appearance of Mahayana Buddhism as separate school.
2nd Century China: translators like An Shih-kao began translating Indian Buddhist texts using mostly Taoist terminology, initially causing many Chinese to believe that Buddhism was another version of Taoism.
2nd Century Vietnam: First introduction from China, followed by more missions, both Mahayana and non-Mahayana in 3rd century.
c. 200 India: Buddhist monastic university at Nalanda flourishes; remains a world center of Buddhist study for over 1,000 years.
2nd-3rd Century India: Master Nagarjuna; known for his profound teachings on emptiness.
320 to 1000 India: Development of Vajrayana Buddhism, based on Mahayana.
4th Century India: Master Vasubandhu; known for his teachings on mind-only (Cittamatrin) and worship of Amitabha, desire for rebirth in the Pure Land, leading to the development of the later Pure Land schools.
4th Century Sri lanka: King Mahasena introduces Mahayana monks.
320 China: Invasion of Huns in China, after which many Buddhist monasteries were established until 6th Century.
334-416 China: Master Hui: Founder of the White Lotus Movement and of Pure Land Buddhism in China.
372 Korea: First arrival of Buddhism on the peninsula from China.
4th Century Nepal: from this time onwards, coexistence of Buddhism and Hinduism, followed Indian traditions.
425 Sri Lanka: Buddhaghosa composes the Visuddhimagga (The Path of Purity) which eventually becomes the classic Sri Lankan textbook on the Buddha’s teachings.
5th Century China: Founding of Ching-t’u school of Pure Land Buddhism by T’an Luan (476-542)
5th Century Java, Sumatra, Borneo and Burma; Mahayana Buddhism was introduced, mainly by Indian immigrants.
480 China: Indian Master Bodhidharma travels as a Buddhist missionary to China, as follower of the Lanka School he is considered the forefather of Ch’an and Zen.
499 India: Monks of the Sarvastivadin school decide on new canon.
5th Century Cambodia: mixture of Hindu Shivaism and Mahayana, lasting until the 11th century. Non-Mahayana schools were also present, but less prominent.
552 Japan: Buddhism enters from China (possibly via Korea?).
550-664 Korea: Buddhism is state religion.
6th Century China: Founding of T’ien T’ai by Chih-I (538-597), also known as Fa-hua, or lotus school; syncretism of all Mahayana shools.
6th Century Kashmir: invasion of Huns with persecution of monks. After their departure, slow restoration.
6th and 7th Century Korea: introduction of many Chinese schools.
641Tibet: Buddhism introduced from India, helped by King Song Tsen Gampo
650 Tibet: first Budhist temple in Tibet
7th century China: Founding of Hua-yen school by Fa-tsang (643-712) – tantric Buddhism lasted only until about 1000 CE. Founding of Ch’an school by 6th Patriarch Hui-neng (638-713)
7th Century Cambodia: repression of Buddhism, followed by later strong support.
7th and 8th Century Kashmir: revival of Buddhism, strong influence of tantric schools.
710 Japan: capital moved to Nara; development of the 6 Nara-schools which were highly politisized, leaving them open to corruption.
730 Japan: introduction of Chinese Hua-yen school, known as Kegon in Japanese.
713-741 China: The T’ang Dynasty Esoteric School was introduced by the three Mahasattvas Subhakarasimha, Vajrabodhi and Amoghavajra.
713 onwards China: sub-division in Ch’an schools; most important Lin-Ch’i with sudden awakening and use of koans, and Tsao-t’ung school of “just sitting” and gradual enlightenment. Notably, Ch’an only became an independent school with own monastic rules at the time of Pochang Huai-hai (720-814).
719 Thailand: introduction of Buddhism
787 Tibet: Foundation of Samye, first Buddhist monastery by Padmasambhava.
8th Century Tibet, Sikkhim, Bhutan: Master Padmasambhava establishes tantric Buddhism.
805 Japan: The Tendai School (from the Chinese T’ien T’ai) officially founded by Master Saicho (Dengyo Daishi).
810 India: King Devapala (ca. 810-845) donates the “income of five villages” for the founding and preservation of a Buddhist Library and Sutra copying facility at the Nalanda Universities.
845 China: Persecution of Buddhism started by Taoist emperor Wu-Tsung. T’ien T’ai and Huy Neng do not survive. Ch’an and Ching t’u survived and slowly recuperated. In many places Islam replaces Buddhism
9th Century Cambodia: building of Angkor Wat
9th Century Japan: Shingon (“True Word”) Buddhism (tantric) established by Master Kukai (Kobo Daishi) derived from Chinese Chen-yen. A fusion of tantric Buddhism and indigenous Shinto became known as Ryobu-Shinto, which was remarkably separated again some 1000 years later into Buddhism and Shinto.
9 th Century Tibet: Decline of Buddhism, persecution by King Langdharma
10th Century Tibet: Strong Buddhist revival.
1050 Sri Lanka: disruption of sangha by Tamil Nadu invaders. Lineage of nuns ordination dies out.
1070 Shri Lanka: reinstatement of monks ordination
11th and 12th Century Thailand: introduction of Mahayana due to Cambodia¬n rule.
11-13th Centuries India: Encounter with Islam, iconoclasm, decline of (mainly Mahayana) Buddhism in Northern India. Sacking of Nalanda university in 1197, and Vikramasila University in 1203 by Muslims.
1164 Sri Lanka: Polonnaruwa destroyed by foreign invasion. With the guidance of two monks from a forest branch of the Mahavihara sect — Vens. Mahakassapa and Sariputta — King Parakramabahu reunites all bhikkhus in Sri Lanka into the Mahavihara sect.
12th Century Sri Lanka: King Parrakama Bahu abolishes schools other than Mahavira.
12th Century Cambodia: revival of Mahayana, but later mainly Theravada influence.
1236 Shri Lanka: monks from India revive monk ordination lineage.
c.1279 Burma: last nunnery mentioned in historic records.
13th Century Japan: Founding of Jodo (Pure Land) school in Japan by Honen (1133-1212).
Founding of Zen sub-schools: Master Dogen (1200-1235) founds the Soto-shu (Chinese Ts’ao-tung) school. Master Eisai (1141-1251) founds the Rinzai-shu (Chinese Lin-Ch’I) school.
Master Nichiren Daishi (1222-1282) founds Nichiren Buddhism.
13th Century Laos: introduction of Theravada.
13th Century Mongolia: Introduction of Tibetan Buddhism under rulers like Kublai Khan (1260-94)
14th Century Korea: Decline of Buddhism with the assumption to the throne of the Chosun or Yi Dynasty and their adoption of Neo-Confucianism.
15th Century India: Final decline of Buddhism in Southern India, due to influence of various Hindu schools.
15th Century Indonesia: Eradication of Budhism by Islamic rebellion.
15th Century Thailand: monks were sent to Sri Lanka to establish a new ordination lineage.
16th Century Mongolia: after some decline, second introduction of Tibetan Buddhism under Altan Khan (1507-83)
16th Century: Sri Lanka; persecution and virtual eradication of Buddhism.
16th Century Japan: Master Ingen (1592-1673) founds the Obaku-shu zen school.
17th Century Sri Lanka: reintroduction of Dharma twice from Burma (same as original tradition).
1753 Sri Lanka: reinstatement of monks ordination from Thailand – the Siyam Nikaya lineage
1777 Thailand: standardisation of Thai translation of the Theravada Tripitaka
17th -19th Century inner Mongolia: The Ch’ing emperors of China (1662- 1911) encouraged Buddhism to keep control over the area. Buddhism first spread to outer Mongolia end 18th cent, which had remained fully shamanistic.
1851-64 China: Great peace rebellion; strong persecution in South.
1862: First Western translation of the Dhammapada into German
1868 or 1871? Burma: 5th Buddhist Council in Mandalay. The Pali scriptures were inscribed in marble.
Late 19th Century China: gradual revival of Buddhism
1905 North America: First Zen teachers arrive in North America.
1920 Soviet Union: Communist attack on Buddhism in Mongolia
1950 China: Beginning of communist attack on Buddhism
1954-56 Burma: 6th Buddhist Council in Mahapasana Great Cave, Kaba-Aye, Rangoon, Burma (Myanmar).
1959 Tibet: Exodus of many Tibetans (including His Holiness the Dalai Lama) from Tibet following the invasion by the Chinese. Virtually all monasteries are destroyed by the Chinese invaders and Buddhist practitioners are persecuted. http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/time-line.html

China and Iran vie for the subcontinent (newstatesman.com)
China: ‘Pakistan is our Israel’ (rupeenews.com)
Obama visits India (rupeenews.com)
President Obama in India (pakistanledger.com)

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186 Responses to “Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia? Brahmin atrocities that destroyed Buddhism in the Subcontinent”

Sanju says:

May 31, 2008 at 9:50 am

A typically pathetic, amateurish copy-paste attempt at mud-slinging & disinformation. More than being angry over the content of our article, which is obvously distorted, twisted out of context & has had all sorts of doctoring done to it, it is the utterly unprofessional, typically thoughtless manner in which it has been done that amuses & even, disgusts me. You dumb Pakis[tanis] had better restrict yourself to killing, looting, bombing & other barbaric activities. Conducting a proper disinformation campaign is way beyond ur virtually non-existent intellectual capabilities!
moinansari says:

May 31, 2008 at 10:43 am

The article lists the Brahmanic “killing, looting, bombing & other barbaric activities” that they conducted against the innocent Buddhists.

It is amazing that the commentaor feels that the progeny of the 5000 year old Indus Valley (Pakistanis) are somehow inferior to the progeny of the Gangetic Civilization (Bharat) which is only a few hundred years old.

The commentator presumes that the article was written by a Pakistani! In fact the article scruplously avoids any Muslim or Pakistani references and lists only Indian, Hindu, Buddhist and Brahman quotes. Perhaps the commentator can take up the issues of Brahman brutality with Jawahar Lal Nehru, Goyal,Kerala-utpatti Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha, Brhannaradiya-purana, Vishnupurana, Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang),Sharmasvamin etc. etc. etc.

The commentator obviously weaned on 7th grade Indian Story books and Brahman bigotry cannot even believe the writings of the first prime Minsiter of India Mr. Nehru.

No intellectual rebuttal for given for a single item. I don’t blame him…when all else fails and you are facing an ocean of facts with actual quotes from a plethora of respected historians…then the only option left is name calling.

Kindly provide a rebuttal to any of the events listed and plese be kind enough to give actual ref. to context…obvioulsy yo ucannot do that because yo belive that Buddhism was part and parcel of Hindisim. No Buddhist ever accepts that Brahman line!
Sanju says:

June 1, 2008 at 6:31 am

I had only heard about the enormous amount of self-delusion that Pakistanis indulge in. The article and the last comment helped me witness it from close quarters for the first time. Let me address a few of your concerns (Im making the wild assumption that they are valid!).

“…the progeny of the 5000 year old Indus Valley (Pakistanis) are somehow inferior to the progeny of the Gangetic Civilization …”
That is a typical example of manufacturing new so-called “facts” to suit one’s arguing position. And a pretty poor one at that, ‘coz the twist/slant should ideally be slight & virtually unnoticeable for it to be effective. But then, I guess Im expecting way too much subtelety (which was never your forte, in the first place) from you Pakistanis.

“…article scruplously avoids any Muslim or Pakistani references and lists only Indian, Hindu, Buddhist and Brahman quotes.”
This comment exposes the shallowness of ur thinking. Are you trying to imply that if one intends to be scrupulous one must avoid all Muslim/Pakistani references and list only Indian/Hindu references??? And you accuse me of thinking that Indians are superior to Pakistanis (that, your basis for that argument itself is yet another manufactured “truth” is a diff. matter altogether!). Who’s having an inferiority complex here? Who’s openly accusing Muslims/Pakistanis of being outright liars here? And do you also mean to say that if the source is Indian/Hindu then it is automatically authentic & needs no further verification? You expect sane, rational persons to believe your flight of deduction?? Sane and more knowledgeable people are aware that there any number of selfish, greedy, unprincipled traitors (even in India & amongst Hindus) who will manufacture any kind of crap that their financiers acroos the border want.

“…cannot even believe the writings of the first prime Minsiter of India Mr. Nehru.”
There you go, again! You want me to blindly believe that anything written by a politician(so what if he’s the prime minister? Plus the very fact that he indeed wrote it is certainly not an unquestionable axiom of truth) is automatically true. Need I say more about this?

“..when all else fails and you are facing an ocean of facts(???)…”
Apologies Sir, but carpet-bombing your opponent with outright lies, distorted half-truths & conveniently manufactured “research” and then expecting him to waste his energies trying disprove each one of them is a clever & well-established trick, but it’s not going to work with me. In fact, a curious similarity presents itself, in this context. Indulging in blatant lying, distortion of truths, then expecting it’s followers to unquestionably believe those lies and spend all their energies in propagating them with the hope that it’s opponents will also indulge in similar self-delusion, mass hysteria & groupthink is probably THE FAVOURITE trick of both Islamists and Communists. Has it got something to do with the fact that both the respective belief systems mostly attract the simple-headed, non-achiever who is more scared of using his own brains than anything else & who is, hence, more than happy to delegate his thinking responsibilities to the local mullah or the Party leadership, as applicable?

” No Buddhist ever accepts that Brahman line!”
Well, well..It is most amusing, to say the least, to see a Muslim trying hard to pull Buddists over to his side and portray Hinduism as the common enemy. NO Hindu or Buddhist will EVER believe that, forget accepting it. You know why? Lemme spare you the agony and give you a hint. Ever heard of the case of the Bamiyan Buddhas and what the Taliban did to them?

In the end, lemme say that after years of studying Islam, Pakistan and the Pakistani/Muslim psyche, I have developed a decent capability of recognising your kind of persons. And I know that it is MOST futile to expect ppl like u to shed your blinkers and see the truth, no matter how uncomfortable & unfamiliar it is. So Im not going to post any more coments after this. Because no matter what you would like to believe, we in India are repeatedly reminded: “Satyameva Jayate” meaning “Truth will (ultimately)prevail”.

P.S.: If
The Editor says:

June 1, 2008 at 7:12 am

This was a religious discussion about Buddhism, its rise and destrcution in the Subcontinent.

Not sure what Pakistan or Pakistanis had to do with the diatribe—nothing. In fact Pakistan has not been mentioned in the article.

No substantive or material facts have been given in your comment.

Because no content has been challenged. The content stands. “but it’s not going to work with me”.We did not send a gilded invitation to you to solicit abuse and name calling. That was your choice!

Name calling and abuse does not change facts.

The Buddhists of China, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Japan know the truth about what happened in the brithplace of Lord Buddha.

Thank you for your feedback!
Babu Bhattacharya says:

June 4, 2008 at 11:18 am

It seems the author is severely suffering from a identity crisis. I knew, It happens [persoanl attacks which have no bearing to intellectual argument delted]

Out of seer desparation he propogated the “theory of IVC and Pakisthan”. It is so ridiculous that I am totally out of my wit’s end to respond. There is no term of Ganges valey civilization at all. I heard of Ganges valey fertile for rice, nothing else.

Hitlar’s spin master Goebles once said “Speak 1oo times a lie, then it will become a truth”.

Unfortunately, he fails to understand that IVC people have been driven out of their homeland by invader Aryans, Only Aryans lived in IVC areas after their conquest. So now-a-days pakistani’s are aryans not ancient IVC people. Aryans are Hindus with Sanskrit as language.
moinansari says:

June 4, 2008 at 5:16 pm

Ram Chandara its you again….

Still reading those Indian (hi)STORY books.

If you have not heard of Pakistan as the inheritor of the IVC, kindly READ the article with quotes from all major encylopedias and several books by international authors. Alos mentioned is “The Indus Saga”. Part of Gujarat is Paksitani territory anyway—Junagarh and Manvadar signed articles of accession to Pakistan!

The people of the Ganges Valley didn’t have a civilization when the Indus valley Civilization was flourishing!…there were only monkeys and tigers roaming around in the Ganges for hundreds of years.
fallen monk says:

June 11, 2008 at 9:15 am

The article is well written and exposes the truth of Brahminism and its hypocritical history.
ram says:

July 2, 2008 at 8:12 am

“THE SWORD OF BRAHMAINIS MASSACCRED MILLIONS IN THE INTERNACINE INTER-ARYAN WARS AND DECIMATED MILLIONS OF BUDDHISTS—THEN ATTEMPTED TO DISGUISE ITS BRUTAL PAST BY WHITE WASHING A VANEER OF NON-VIOLENCE AND PUTTING UP SEARGENT MAJOR MOHANDAS GANDHI –THE ADULTERER RACIST AS THEIR ICON”
There are two ways of looking at this article …taken it seriously and getting offended(thats the main objective of the slander writer) if you are a hindu or taking it as a joke…the choice is much easy tahn you think…the article is so much devoid of any scholarship or objectivity and so full of Islamic anti hindu rhetoric that it is easy to laugh over.
Attaboy moinansari keep on hating the hindus …declare a jihad…but that doesnt change things for a failed islamic state does it or does it change the position of muslims in thw world today.
Moin Ansari says:

July 2, 2008 at 3:24 pm

When there is no response…the only thing to do is to sling mud …this is what the commentatot did…”shooting the messenger” does not change history….

Let us repeat…the commentator presumes that the article was written by a Pakistani! In fact the article scruplously avoids any Muslim or Pakistani references and lists only Indian, Hindu, Buddhist and Brahman quotes.

Perhaps the commentator can take up the issues of Brahman brutality with Jawahar Lal Nehru, Goyal,Kerala-utpatti Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha, Brhannaradiya-purana, Vishnupurana, Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang),Sharmasvamin etc. etc. etc.

The commentator obviously weaned on 7th grade Indian Story books and Brahman bigotry cannot even believe the writings of the first prime Minsiter of India Mr. Nehru.

If the commentator believes in the Holy scriptures he must believe in the Kora Panad and the Mahabharta wars…where according to the Hindu scriptres 350 million died (I didn’t make up the numbers…just reporting them)

No intellectual rebuttal was given on a single item. I don’t blame him…when all else fails and you are facing an ocean of facts with actual quotes from a plethora of respected historians…then the only option left is name calling.

Kindly provide a rebuttal to any of the events listed and plese be kind enough to give actual ref. to context…obvioulsy you cannot do that because yo belive that Buddhism was part and parcel of Hindisim. No Buddhist ever accepts that Brahman line!
friend says:

September 7, 2008 at 12:14 pm

u mr moin need to understand that’ jinke ghar sheeshe ke hote hain who dooson par pathar nahin marte’. now I will tell u about u r religion islam. this the only religion which spreads hatred killing non believers and spread terrorism. even their prophet said kill the non belivers. All religions teach love, forgiveness except islam. Sikhism had to be started to counter islamic extremism. I hope atleast is proven in pakistanis story books also. The fact is islam breeds on ignorance and poverty. Spreads wrong message. Talibanis , 9/11 , civil war in pak, iran, all are evidences in this respect . Whole world is taken on ransom and is afraid of this islamic terrorism . No hindu named terrorist u will find in whole world but todays incidents and reports are full of names indicating to only one religion including Osama their neo leader. further more on their religion on site http://www.faithreligion.org . Mr Moin learn n spread tolerance which all other religions teach or else whole world will b together to wipe u extremists. I don’t know what hindus did so many years ago but me and whole world have to face reality and force to take stern actions . These muslims only blowed off buddhism statue at bahmayan, please teach this in your country’s story books. See what happened to taliban after that they are in grt trouble! Do not dare disturb us or ….
rajesh chettupuha says:

October 4, 2008 at 1:15 pm

guys,
there is mudslinging even before the article is read. use your brains and not the sense of belonging to a particular religion in jusdging things. read history and try to disapprove things based on facts. ignorance is certainly bliss but not a blessing. i started this recently and believe me it feels great to research abouth these things.
dont forget ram, allah or jesus or whatever names he is known by, is all the same. we humans divided them.
there is only one religion in this planet and that is humans.
if you want proof i can give you that. but before do a bit of research yourself. and not half hearted attempts please. a half doctor can only kill more than save.
Moin Ansari says:

October 5, 2008 at 10:20 am

Rajesh:

Thank you for your feedback. We appreciate it.

We re-read the article and found merit in your comments and argument regarding the preface. We have reformatted the article and replaced one of the passages with a more ecunemical theme.

Hope you enjoy reading it based on the facts presented.

Once again we thank you for your comments.

Best Regards,
saurabh says:

November 28, 2008 at 5:53 am

brahmins did something wrong in history..agreed but due to wrong practices tht became ritual…but why convert only hindus………
hindus have to fightback……did by eliminating buddhism_u cant fight if everyone becomes a monk,muslims,christians………
we are the oldest civilization and will survive and become a superpower……………….like we were
cece says:

November 30, 2008 at 8:38 pm

budhism and hinduism… gone because of ISLAM!!!!!

see your history book…
S Rama Krishna Prasad says:

December 17, 2008 at 12:47 am

For Kind information for all Humnas,
Hinduism – Bhudhism are two different quantities of the same entity.
And the above written notes on demolition of Bhudhism was not because of hinduism.
Its only because of certain migrated people in the harrapan civilization who resided them selves along the SINDU river banks thus called them selves hindus.

Hindus was not defined in DWAPARA YUGAS and THRETHA YOUGAS. It was known as “SANATHANA DHARMA”.
And if any body feels that the cast system is injustice then i challange that he/ she do not know what a cast system is and the same are illiterate on the subject.
We all agree that the system has been missused in INDIAN lands only because of the greedy of power, as it prominantly exists now even by the so cxalled low class people.
No one is less in doing sins.
In each ages, generations there are so many demons who do all these mishiefs and tell the name as DHARMA.
SANATHANA DHARMA means brotherhood, samanatha, live and let live doing once own duty.

cast system
BRAHMIN—- BRAHMA jnaethih iti BRHAMANA (VASISTA, VISWAMITRA and so on great scholars for all your so called science etc etc) who are supposed to do good deeds and rituls by which scitifically keeping the enviornment cleen and likely for all living organisms.
KSHTRIYAS—- ONE who protests the good deeds that is being done for the world.
VYSHIAS——- One who has knowlede of all the good deeds, thinks good for the world and thus does do his duty.
SHDRAS——- One who helps the entire living chain by providing food and other things necessory.

These only means that the division of labouyr for having harmless world and peace world.

SANATHANA DHARMA believes in VASUDYVA KUTUMBHKAM. There is border for so callled ISLAMISM, BHUDISSM, JINISM, CRISTIANITY, SIKKISM, HINDUISM and so on BUT noboundry for SANATHANA DHARMA.

The above mentioned are all the branches of the same tree SANATHANA DHARMA (Sanskrit) which deserves peace.

The only missunderstanding in the system is that the people see only the branches not the whole system

Its also analogy to the politics, raceism which still persists in the europen lands.

If one does some mischief having the support of on of the above then he is not a human and hates humanity.

In SANATHANA DHRMA we respect all the living organism because we believe that the allmighty resides every ware HE is “VISHWAM”.

And RAMAYANA and MAHABHRATH, the great GEETHA is not narated by any human for kind information.

Coments on these epics to be given after reading and undestanding the knowledge that is been conveyed to core of the heart.

Not only these all the holly books has great meanings in it and none says for the destruction of the good.

If any one say the human is bad then he is wrong because only the quality in him can be bad which can be reformed.

For example LORD RAMA tried to reform RAVANA since he was a great scholar but he din’t for which he was punnished and and given MOKSHA NIRVAN the salvation

Similarly Kourava BHURYODANA or SUYODHANA the great king but was punished for his greediness and arroganse.

Destruction of the world and the belogings of the same, nature no mans right.

None of the books says that and none of the sayings advices any human to do destruction.

Never comment on the religion that is existing not because of you.
instead comment or rectify the mistakes that you we all are causing to the system and pouring black ashs on the Darma.
Do not teel your ansestors were wrong instead tell that what you understand is wrong.
Ascept your mistake.

As Ghandiji told one is great, is human if he can boldly accept his/her mistakes that he has done.

These days the whole world is doing research on Sanathan Dharma and not hinduism.

So called Hindus them selves do not know what they are for and their acitvities.

Thats all.

Be brothers to all Not devils.
S Rama Krishna Prasad says:

December 17, 2008 at 7:08 am

Mr Fallen Monk,

Never tell on others if you are not capable of keeping up your values.
Bhudism is known for non violence.
But at present you find major of the meet eating fallows are BHUDIST.
Keep all your values inculcate them, then speak about Hippocracy of others.
We Sanathana DHARMA followers in Great INDIA belive that BHUDHA is one of the incarnation of LORD VISHU.
You better know that…
And more over all the meditations that you do is practiced and preached in our Indian culture far back BHUDISM was born.
And more over do not bring the ISLAMISM, CRISTIANITY and others into the detailed disscussion.
ITS true that every one wants pease.
Each holly scripts are for weel being of the world not only MEN.
Respect the thoughts of the holy book, try to rectify the evil ways of living in the present socity.
Take the real meaning of the same of not harming any living being with out any reason. Eg: DO not kill animals or others when there is alternative for the same.
Eg people take the animals as food like nomads only just because its tasty even in the present world.

In fact people who follow the so called non violence BHUDISM eat fetus which is very cruel.
When you have become cruel to human kind three is no harm in humans being bold and fighting against the false followers of great BHUDHA.

We even worship GOWTHAM BHUDHA and not you.
We indians are the saviors of the world and humanity and not you.
Please come on to the postulates of BHBUDHA and speak off what you have to speak.

Do not go only by the history books.
Also think that if you are right to the postulates that your teachers thought you long back.
If any Soul blames THE SANATHANA DHARMA i believe that they do not respect their own thoughts, their own home, their own teacher, Not the nature you are in and The ultimate allmighty you believe.

Mr Fallen
Do not fall in your thoughts and dead.
Moin Ansari says:

December 21, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Mr. Prasad:

Thank you for a great lesson in Hinduism, Hunduist dogma and your dharma.

Unfortunately this lessons has nothing to do with the historical facts.

Korean, Japanese and Chinese Buddhists are NOT Hindus. Also the Dalai Lama is not Hindu–neither does he claim to be Hindu.

Like the article says, Hinduism destroyed Jainism and Hinduism and tried to incorporate it into Hinduism.

We also thank you for an illuminating defense of the Caste System. Unfortunately it is far removed from reality. We accept your challenge. Kindly read “Why I am not a Hindu” and also read Dalit Freedom Network. Both these will bring you out of your well. Sunshine may hurt your eyes though.

Keep visiting and defending your faith. You should.

Was Salaam

Best Regards.
B.K. Nambiar says:

December 22, 2008 at 6:18 am

I went through your site and noted down many points otherwise not available elsewhere. If you want to buy a house, you should check the spetic tank area also. Thank you.

Most of the things you say about Hindus or India is sometimes full truth, half truth or blatant lies, this smart readers understand easily.

But one thing is sure – it is coming out of hate minds – the minds of hate against Hindu/India feeded along with mothers’ milk. The same hands that slit open many Daniel Pearls now pushing the pens due to unavailablity of game nearby. Hindus got a grievance – 1000 years of brutal rule of Muslim rulers who killed, mutilated, raped 80 million Hindus (Will Durant). What is Muslim bothers’ grievance? Demolition of Babri Masjid? – I resist to comment.
B.K. Nambiar says:

December 22, 2008 at 6:18 am

I went through your site and noted down many points otherwise not available elsewhere. If you want to buy a house, you should check the spetic tank area also. Thank you.

Most of the things you say about Hindus or India is sometimes full truth, half truth or blatant lies, this smart readers understand easily.

But one thing is sure – it is coming out of hate minds – the minds of hate against Hindu/India feeded along with mothers’ milk. The same hands that slit open many Daniel Pearls now pushing the pens due to unavailablity of game nearby. Hindus got a grievance – 1000 years of brutal rule of Muslim rulers who killed, mutilated, raped 80 million Hindus (Will Durant). What is Muslim bothers’ grievance? Demolition of Babri Masjid? – I resist to comment.
Uzair says:

December 26, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Mr Nambiar,

Seems to be that you are proud of demolitian of Babri Masjid?
B.K. Nambiar says:

December 31, 2008 at 2:08 am

Mr. Uzair
I am not proud of demolition of Babri Masjid. Not because it was a Muslim prayer symbol, but because the Hindus tried to change history – in a cowardly way. It is not good to change historical structures – let it be the reminder of what happened – let the past be past. I went to Madhura Sri Krishna temple where Aurangazeb built a mosque on top of the temple – it is heartbreaking to see the temple/ mosque to any Hindu, like the same feeling a Muslim may feel if he sees a temple builit on a mosque area by a Hindu king. We should understand history as history, not to hate each other. By the by, my other point was, the hurt felt by Muslims due to Babri Masjid demolition is in no way comparable to the hurt of 80 million Hindus being raped, murdered my Muslim rulers. That also is not an excuse to hate – Human being should concentrate on the future – not to drag history in everyday life – it is my opinion – understanding eath other’s opinion sympathetically is high point of human culture.
B.K. Nambiar says:

December 31, 2008 at 2:08 am

Mr. Uzair
I am not proud of demolition of Babri Masjid. Not because it was a Muslim prayer symbol, but because the Hindus tried to change history – in a cowardly way. It is not good to change historical structures – let it be the reminder of what happened – let the past be past. I went to Madhura Sri Krishna temple where Aurangazeb built a mosque on top of the temple – it is heartbreaking to see the temple/ mosque to any Hindu, like the same feeling a Muslim may feel if he sees a temple builit on a mosque area by a Hindu king. We should understand history as history, not to hate each other. By the by, my other point was, the hurt felt by Muslims due to Babri Masjid demolition is in no way comparable to the hurt of 80 million Hindus being raped, murdered my Muslim rulers. That also is not an excuse to hate – Human being should concentrate on the future – not to drag history in everyday life – it is my opinion – understanding eath other’s opinion sympathetically is high point of human culture.
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org says:

January 5, 2009 at 4:47 am

Hi,

Can you provide some specific citations for this:

“After a prolonged bloody war and violence, the Brahmanical religion was revived by manufacturing two tales – Epics of Ramayana and Mahabharata – and then scripture called the Bhagawad Gita.”

Being just an ordinary student of comparative religions, I find it rather surprising that I hadn’t encountered such a narrative before. That only shows the extent of my ordinariness and says nothing about the subject. And just because a prime minister or a few Hindus may write thusly (not clear who is being cited for that statement in the above article) is quite irrelevent for scholarship. What is probably more pertinent is the adjudication of Indo scholars themselves on this, and to my limited understanding, what is most reasonably consensual that I have found thus far is that these great epic narratives are among the most ancient cultural-historical depictions of a thriving civilzation and its pedigree, and statements such as the one quoted above, simply cannot be determined beyond conjectures and wild speculations. Thus it is of little academic value, unless one is a Bernard Lewis and interested in finding material/pretext for sustaining and extending the mantras of “clash of civilization”. Then anything can fit in any mold, including an “Ali Baba” orchestraing 911, and Islamofascism being the scourge of humanity. Since I happen to know a bit more about the latter than the former, this essay, the way it attempts to put down these great books, can easily be read as being written by a Bernard Lewis protege with an agenda to denigrate Hindus and their history in the guise of scholarship.

The narratives in these epic books cannot be used as historical factual accounts anymore than the Illiad.

The topic however that is raised in this essay on why Buddhism disappeared from India is very interesting, and full of mystery to me. It is of similar mystery as why India remained a majority Hindu state despite a 1000 year reign of Muslims. Can the commenter who cited Will Durant provide a more accurate citation so that I can read that description and understand how he arrived at it? It flies in the face of empircism. The overarching question raised in the essay however is merely attempting to understand what is already empirically obvious. And a few days ago a Vietnamese Buddhist, thinking I was from India, exactly asked me the same question. But being only from Pakistan, and a Muslim on top of that, I could only say that’s a good question.

Thank you.

Zahir Ebrahim
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
Moin Ansari says:

January 5, 2009 at 9:29 am

Mr. Ebrahim:

Thank you for your feedback.

We will respond to your detailed feedback. Let me begin by clarifying the quote. The quote was by a Dalit belonging to Dalit Freedom Network. “Conversion: the best, simplest, surest & the most non-violent way to liberate Dalits V.T. Rajshekar”

I would like to start the conversation by saying that the dates of the epics is contestable ..and was Homer factual?

The article is self explanatory about “Why Buddhism disappeared in South Asia”–the main thrust of the article.

More later…..

Best Regards
vikas says:

January 12, 2009 at 7:49 am

mahabharta happened around 3000BC whereas buddism came around 400BC… how can you say that buddhism and mahabharta are linked. Are you a fanatic trying to spit out poison ??? do you survive on dead copses ?? why you are continuiously propogating falsely without knowing any fact ?? This will lead to \nothing except hatred..be civilized !!! I went through some articles and found them totally baseless. You could be one of the fanatics or arms / drugs trader who want to fight to death for ppl …

Stop ur acts and clean the site of this poison.
Pradeep Singh says:

January 12, 2009 at 9:08 am

You can beleive whatever you want as part of religious dogma–and that will be respected, just like the Bible lists the begining of mankind 10,000 years ago. However this article is about history.

Mahabharta happed 3000 BC? That would be impossible to prove historically. There is no arch evidence to prove that…and that is fine. Mahabharta is a holy text and does not need any proof.

However here we are discussing history not religion.

That would mean that this took place before the Indus People (who knew nothing about the Devanagri script or horses). Mahabharta took place in a rural setting, the IVC were urban. The Mhabaharta made heavy uses of horses, the IVC did not use horses. The IVC uses a pictographic script, ate beef, lived in unstratified housing, were not vegetarians and did not worship the “Hindu” pantheon.

Rupee News does not accept unsolicited free advice. When we need advice we go and pay for it.
rajek says:

March 7, 2009 at 6:31 am

dear friend, i request you to kindly check the full facts rather than presenting the distorted half facts……

Was Buddhism driven out of India? No. It is a canard, a lie propagated by vested interests. What are the facts? Buddhism was a reaction to the growing permissiveness and distortions of Aryan society. It was, therefore, puritanical. But by banning drinking, dancing, singing and theatre, Buddhism sowed the seeds of opposition.

But Buddhism was also revolutionary. It was “the logical development of the religion of the Hindus,” says Dr. Radhakrishnan. It played a significant role in human history.

On this, Northcote Parkinson says: “In the rallying of Asia against western pressure, Buddhism played a central role like no other religion before or since; its influence extended to the whole of Asia. It lent vigour to all that was attractive in Hinduism.”

Naturally, for about a thousand years (from 3rd century BC to 6th century AD), Buddhism was the dominant religion of India, although it broke up into two—Mahayana and Hinayana. It had little opposition. When Fa Hien, the Chinese student, visited India in the 5th century AD, Buddhism was flourishing along with Hinduism. But by the 6th century AD, Buddhism had broken up into 18 sects. So, when Hieun Tsang, the Chinese pilgrim visited India in the 7th century AD, Buddhism was in decline. What is more, by distorting the Master’s message and reverting in some ways to Hindu beliefs and practices, Mahayana had lost its attraction. Buddha himself had anticipated the decline in one of his talks with Ananda, his chief disciple.

The conquest of Central Asia and Afghanistan by the Muslims was a major blow to Buddhism. Historian, Pramanath Bose writes that “Buddhism…got so engulfed in the superstitions of Turanians that it transformed itself into some of the grossest forms of Scythian idolatry.” Buddhism as an ethical system had little impact on Central Asia, which explains how Islam was able to overwhelm this huge region in so short a time.
rajek says:

March 7, 2009 at 6:54 am

further…

It was this decline of Buddhism which brought up the resurgence of Saivism and Vaishnavism. And Shankara, by incorporating many of the Buddhist doctrines into Hinduism, made Buddhism redundant. But the final blow to Buddhism came with the advent of Islam in India.

Muslim invaders made it a point to extirpate Buddhism from India. They destroyed every vihara, where the monks lived and taught. Thus, the 500 viharas built by Ashoka in Kashmir and the 600 feet high stupa built by Kanishka were the first to be destroyed. Historian Vincent Smith says that the monks, who survived the holocaust, fled to south and to the Himalayas (Nepal, Tibet). In short, few dared to stay in India. The invaders also destroyed Taxila and Nalanda, the two great Buddhist universities. The cream of Buddhist scholarship lived here. Thus, every symbol of Buddhism was destroyed as part of a deliberate policy.

It is not true that Brahmanism opposed Buddhism. The first disciples of the enlightened one were all Brahmins. For example, Maha Muggalanna, Sariputta, Maha Kashyapa, Asita, Kaundinya. Buddha rejected only the Brahminical rituals, the authority of the Vedas and the oppressive caste system.

According to Smt Rhys Davids, among the 246 poet-authors mentioned in the Thera Gatha, 113 were Brahmins, 70 Kshatriyas. Thus, it is clear that Buddhism had no real opposition in India. In Fact, the kings gave equal protection to both Hinduism and Buddhism. For example, the Gupta empire, although Hindu, gave full protection to Buddhism. So did Harsha’s empire. Lalitaditya, the greatest king of Kashmir, although not a Buddhist, built the largest Vihara for the Buddhists.

If Buddhism was brought down by anyone (which is not the case) it was done by the Buddhist monks. The hasya literature in Sanskrit is full of humour and satire against the Buddhist monks—of how they took to meat, drinks and women. Naturally, Buddhism lost the respect in which it was held earlier.
rajek says:

March 7, 2009 at 8:03 am

With focus on nirvana, life itself came to be secondary, not to speak of defence and security matters. India was thus least prepared to meet the onslaught of the Muslims. In the event, the Hindus closed their ranks against the Muslims. And they were not prepared to be tolerant to any divisive criticism from the Buddhists and Jains. Which explains why Buddhism almost disappeared from India. But where did the Buddhists disappear? They went back to their ancient faith—Hinduism—to resist the Muslims.

Dear friend next time if you comment on any history then please reserch (fully) few good history books….. then present your distory story of history
Moin Ansari says:

March 7, 2009 at 5:59 pm

If you had read the article you would have seen actual references from Kalhani and Jawarhar Lal Nehru. Dozens of quotes from “Indian” authors were listed. But actual history may be beyond the reach of the temple educated who simply cannot comprehend the basic fact that Hindu-Buddhist wars were fought before the 7th century–much before the advent of Islam

Temple education teaches some that Buddhism is part of Hinduism, but the Buddhists resist that with a vengeance. Neither the Lankans, nor the CHinese, nor the Tibetans, nor the Koreans, Chinese and Cambodians consider themselves Hindu.
Moin Ansari says:

March 7, 2009 at 6:06 pm

Thank you for your feedback, but the evidence presented in the article does not support your thesis. Buddhism was exterminated in Bharat before the advent of the Muslims. The Tamil and Indian sponsored vengeance of the LTTE against Sri Lanka is but another milestone on the ferocity of the war on Buddhists in South Asia
Moin Ansari says:

March 7, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Thank you for the additional feedback. You did not refute Jawarhal Lal Nehru and Kalahani. You gave us redundant information which is simply a regurgitation of religious thinking. I cannot criticize the religion and not want to engage in a religious argument. You have a right to your opinions based on your religion, but your notions of history come in the way of historical facts as narrated by a long list of Hindu and Indian authors listed in the article.

1) The Divyavadana (ed. Vaidya, 282). The most important of the murderous Hindu bigots who carried out their systematic campaign of violence against the peaceful followers of Lord Buddha was Pushyamitra (184-48 B.C.), the founder of the Shunga dynasty. For details and refrences do see BELOW

2) Goyal [430] “The culprit in this case was Toramana, a member of the same dynasty as the Shaivite Mihirakula who did “immense damage to the Buddhist shrines in Gandhara, Punjab and Kashmir.” For details and refrences do see BELOW

3) Mihirakula is said to have razed 1600 viharas, stupas and monasteries, and “put to death 900 Kotis, or lay adherents of Buddhism” [Joshi, 404].

4) The Aryamanjushrimulakalpa tells us that Pushyamitra “destroyed monasteries with relics and killed monks of good conduct.” [Jayaswal, 18-19]

5) As Goyal [394] notes, “According to many scholars hostility of the Brahmanas was one of the major causes of the decline of Buddhism in India.”

6) The celebrated Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha mentions the march of Pushyamitra from Madhyadesha to Jalandhara. In the course of his campaigns, the book states, Pushyamitra burned down numerous Buddhist monasteries and killed a number of learned monks The archaeological evidence for the ravages wrought by Pushyamitra and other Hindu fanatic rulers on famous Buddhist shrines is abundant.

7) The Brhannaradiya-purana lays it down as a principal sin for a Brahmana to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril.

8) The drama Mrchchhakatika shows that in Ujjain the Buddhist monks were despised and their sight was considered inauspicious.

9) The Vishnupurana (XVIII 13-18) also regards the Buddha as Mayamoha who appeared in the world to delude the demons. Kumarila is said to have instigated King Sudhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate the Buddhists.

10) The Kerala-utpatti describes how he exterminated the Buddhists from Kerala.”

11) The Chinese traveller Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang), who visited India in the seventh century records the oppressions of Shashanka, the king of Gauda, who was a devotee of Shiva.

12) Yuan Chwang’s account reads, “In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”.

13) Another independent account of Shashanka’s oppressions is found in the Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, which refers to Shashanka destroying “the beautiful image of Buddha” [Jayaswal, 49-50].

14) Another prominent seventh century murderer of Buddhists was Sudhanvan of Ujjain, already mentioned in the quotation from Goyal above as having been supposedly instigated by Kumarila Bhatt.

15) Madhava Acharya, in his “Sankara-digvijayam” of the fourteenth century A.D., records that Suddhanvan “issued orders to put to death all the Buddhists from Ramesvaram to the Himalayas”.

16) Even after the Islamic invasions of India, Hindu bigotry and hatred for Buddhists was not subdued. According to Sharmasvamin, a Tibetan pilgrim who visited Bihar three decades after the invasion of Bakhtiaruddin Khilji in the 12th century, the biggest library at Nalanda was destroyed by Hindu mendicants who took advantage of the chaos produced by the invasion.

He says that “they (Hindus) performed a Yajna, a fire sacrifice, and threw living embers and ashes from the sacrifice into the Buddhist temples. This produced a great conflagration which consumed Ratnabodhi, the
nine-storeyed library of the Nalanda University”. [Prakash, 213]. Numerous destroyed Buddhist shrines were converted into Hindu temples after their destruction.

17) Ahir [58] notes that “The Seat of Buddha’s Enlightenment was in the possession of a Hindu Mahant till 1952.

18) Similarly, at Kushinara, where the Buddha had entered into Mahaparinirvana, the cremation stupa had been converted into a Hindu temple, and on top of it stood the temple of Rambhar Bhavani when
Cunningham discovered the site in 1860-61.

19) Among the shrines which still continue to be dedicated to Hindu gods mention may be made of the Caityas of Chezrala and Ter in Andhra Pradesh which are now Shiva and Vishnu temples respectively.

20) The temple of Madhava at Sal Kusa, opposite Gauhati in Asam, was once a sacred shrine of the Buddhists. …

21) And the famous Jagannatha temple at Puri in Orissa was also originally a Buddhist shrine.

22) Similarly, the Vishnupada temple at Gaya was also once a Buddhist shrine.” As Rajendralal Mitra notes in his famous work of 1878 [quoted in Ahir, 59] the feet of Buddha at Gaya were rechristened the feet of Vishnu and held as the most sacred object of worship in the new Vishnupada temple.

23) According to the records of Hieun Tsang and Kalhana’s Rajaatarangini, Asoka the great repented, converted to Buddhism (273-232 BC) and did a lot for Buddhism. Asoka renounced violence, and renounced his religion after the Kalinga war, and he became a Buddhist. During Asoka, Buddhism had become the state religion. The Brahmans did not like him, and many historians think the Brahaman opposition to Asoka led to the destruction of the Muyarian dynasty.

24) In Glimpses of World History Jawahrlal Nehru says the following about the Kushans (emphasis is mine and not Nehru’s): ” This Kushan Empire is interesting in many ways. IT WAS A BUDDHIST EMPIRE, and one of its famous rulers-the Emperor Kanishka-was ardently devoted to the dharma…the Kushans were Mongolians or closely allied to them. From the Kushan capital there must have been a continuous coming and going to the Mongolian homelands, and Buddhist learning and Buddhist culture must have gone to China and Mongolia…the Kushan Empire sat like a colossus astride the back of Asia, in between the Greaco-Roman world in the south. It was a halfway house both between India, and Rome, and India and China. The Kushan period corresponded with the last days of the Roman Republic when Julius Ceaser was alive, and first 200 years of the Roman Empire

25) THE HINDU KASHATRIYA HINDU AND BUDDHIST WARS
Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says (Page 103 and 104) “Chandragupta proclaimed his holy war “against all foreign rulers in India. The Kashatriyas and the Aryan aristocracy, deprived of their power and positions by the aliens (Kushans), were at the back of this war. After a dozen or so years of fighting, Chandragupta managed to gain control over Northern India including what is now called UP. He then crowned himself king of kings. Thus began the Gupta dynasty. It was a period of somewhat aggressive Hinduism and nationalism. The foreign rulers-the Turkis and Parathions and other Non-Aryans were rooted our and forcibly removed. We thus find racial antagonism at work. The Indo-Aryan aristocrat was proud of his race and looked down upon these barbarians and malachas. Indo-Aryan States and rulers were conquered by the Guptas were dealt with leniently, But there was not leniency for non-Aryans.

26) Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “Chandragupta’s son Samadugupta was an even more aggressive fighter than his father….the Kushans were pushed back across the Indus…Samadugupta’s son, Chandragupta II was also a warrior king, and he conquered Kathiwad and Gujrat, which had been under the rule of a Saka or Turki dynasty for a long time. He took the name
Vikramaditya…..The Gupta period was a period of Hindu imperialism in India. There was a great revival of old Aryan culture and Sanskrit learning. The Hellenistic, or Greek and Mongolian elements in Indian life
and culture which had been brought by the Greeks, Kushans and others were not encouraged, and were in fact deliberately superseded by laying stress on the Indo-Aryan traditions. Sanskrit was the official court language
roman says:

September 17, 2009 at 3:22 am

My appeal to the admin and moderators is,
“Any historical artical needs balanced views. Distorted refernces will create more questions.
Only historians can comment about history and not the other people as it involves years of research to come to the conclusions.
The above article missed the very important factors like time, civilisation, races, culture,identity, and the most important thing human nature…”

The refernces and titles completely missed the link with each other…
Indus vally civilisation is another aspect to study along with Buddisum, hinduism, jainism…
Today each part of the history is viewed through the national interest specially by the national of insecured and newly created nations who have lost their history by changing their old lifestyle and identity.

Please do not look at which king has done what the reason is there was no democracy in the world in the past ..
The concept of Nation was not available to people on earth. not even to rome or macedonia….

As far as india is concern the so called hinduism was not religion but the culture of India. Today indian supreme court accpt the same thing. “Hinduism is a culture and not the religion”

Buddhism, jainism and all other sampradayas had existed in india for centuries. Due to royal effort principles of buddism got exported to outside this region and mostly to east asia where it got the regional flavours.. and It got status of religion due to acceptance by huge population.

Yes, huge followers of sampraday makes it a religion…

Indian region had always attacked by outsiders. Being very peaceful in nature and failed to protect the followers, buddism sampraday has lost it’s importance in people..

Just like buddhism, Jainism too lost in terms of popularity.

In east asia all rulers had got new way of look towards their culture when Buddism from indian region got exported to their region. They had thought the ideas are new and helpful towards day today lives so they had adopted most of them along with their regional ones.

Though east asians rulers adopted Buddhism they fought wars, battles … It means they adopted Buddhism as Guidelines to their lives and not the complete adoption unlike the indians.

“In india ,Jainism and buddhism endors complete Nonviolence aginst all living creatures”

Since the principles of buddhism failed to protect indians from foriegn attacks it had lost it’s popularity which is very practical thing.

In indian culture their are lots of sampradays who had brought new ideas of living. This thing is still going on with new sampraday is coming on to horizon daily..

India, the land of all religions, had gave these ideas to western world who had adopted them in their democracy.. and will do in the future too..

The name india or indus region is from Greek language just like Sinia for china. Indo-Sino civilisation are the 2 oldest civilisation on earth who majorly contributed to east and south east asia.

The most important part of “any religion” is it teaches you humanity and respect for others. So never forget it.

“Let the Humanity Rules the World”
SUBRAMANIAN says:

September 20, 2009 at 1:34 pm

We have to accept our shortcomings. The worst enemy of Hinduism is castism. Inequality of human beings determining by birth is unacceptable. The superiority complex of (the so called higher castes) even now does exist.

Coming to the death of Buddhism in India, yes it is still shrouded in mystery. Ramayana and Mahabharata, in all probability, were created much after Bhuddha’s advent. Though, Bhagwat Geeta has lot of great teachings that one can imbibe in oneself for liberation, it is difficult to digest that God created the four varnas. These things were deliberately written to brainwash people to the Hindu fold as Brahmins were losing hold.

Though, I am not a historian, I have recently come across a book “Volga se Ganga” by Rahul Sankrityayan ane emininent scholer which describes the animosity of Brahmins towards Bhuddhists and the cunningness of Brahmins. There is a mention that either Pushyamitra or Agnimitra of Sunga dynasty only is described as Rama in Ramayana by Valmiki and similarly, Mahakavi Kalidasa had created Kumara Sambava in praise of Kumara Gupta (son of Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya) wherin the hero is described as Shankar’s kumar, the karthikeya. From this we find that these epcis and fables were written in praise of some kings who were given divine status, the later generations might have blindly followed the rituals thus rendering the origin in oblivion

SUBRAMANIAN
Moin Ansari says:

September 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Thank you Subramaian for your feedback–its Bharatis like you that make it a better world.

Please keep orviding more details on the subject. Best Regards and Take Care.
ANIRBAN BANERJEE says:

February 3, 2010 at 3:47 pm

everything was against brutality of hinduism against budhist but every one in the world knows how the invasion of islam an orthodox religion has destroy the civilization of human nature,destroy parsis(iran), capture constantinopole, destroy stupas of buddhist including bamiyan buddha statue and destroying of all hindu temples , and in the case of destroying humanities islam is the master piece of all about its barbaric nature against women and children………………….so please look at islam and found out what type of superstions and barbaric attitude which islam has given to our mother earth.
Moin Ansari says:

February 3, 2010 at 7:05 pm

Obvioulsy a product of the temple indoctrination—while Kalhana and Nehru describes how brutal the Brahmin decimation of Buddhism was in South Asai–Mr. banerjee begins history in the 8th and 12th century when Buddhism had already been exterminated in South Asia–its last refuge is in Lanka—and RAW sent their murderer LTTE Tamils there too.

There is nothing more barabaric on the planet than the Caste system and Untouchability
Subhasish Chaki says:

March 4, 2010 at 5:03 pm

I am fully in conformity with your views on the disappearance of Buddhism from India. Its now time to undo some of the injustices from the past. Why don’t the Pakistanis initiate by converting back to their original great religion i.e. Buddhism. We Hindus will follow suit.
rob says:

March 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Hi Mr Ansari,,
Can you please enlighten to all fellows here ? who destroyed the biggest buddhist university of Nalanda.. and killed lakhs of buddhists ?
And can you please also tell all the people here.. what was the reason behind burning the centre of knowledge..i.e. Nalanda and Taxila universities of ancient times ?

I can tell first answer that, It was the MUSLIMS ..
so pathetic and ridiculous ignorance, intolerance, that lead to this barbaric act of burning universities.. including the University of Alaxandria ,,the ancient univ.

I will wait you to tell the reason for the second.. to all here..
now dont tell, you dont know… the reason is well documented by all the historians of that time, including few famous Islamic historians..
The Editor says:

March 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm

People who use pseudonyms have little credibility on this site. If you have something to say, please say it under your real name.

http://pakhistorian.com/2010/03/23/the-destruction-of-taxila/

Another product of the temple indoctrination.

You have made an assertion, however you have not backed it up with any sources. While your opinion can be respected, it cannot be accepted as fact–because our article has listed a plethora or Bharati and international sources–and you have simply repeated an untruth taught to you in the 4th grade in in Sunday school.

If you had read Jawaharlal Nehru and Kalhana you would not have made the inaccurate claims.

Taxila was destroyed before the Islamic invasion of South Asia.

Taxila was a center of Buddhist learning–NOT Hindu. Buddhism does not accept the Hindu assertion that Buddha was part of Hinduism.

460–470 – The Ephthalites (known as the White Huns) sweep over Gandh?ra and the Punjab; wholesale destruction of Buddhist monasteries and st?pas at Taxila, which never again recovers..Sir John Marshall, 1975, 86

With the decline of the Guptas, the nomadic tribes of Central Asia called the Huns invaded India. Their leader was Tormana (500 AD). Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says:
“Skandagupta, the fith of the Gupta line had to face this Hun invasion…gradually they spread all over Gandhara and the greater part of Northern India. THEY TORTURED THE BUDDHISTS AND COMMITTED ALL MANNER OF FRIGHTFULNESS”….There must have been continuous warfare against them, but the Guptas could not drive them away. Fresh waves of Huns came …”‘…Torman installed himself king . He was bad enough, but after him came his son Miharagula, who was an unmitagated savage and fiendishly cruel.
Lalhana in his history of Kashmir–the Rajatrangini–tells us that one of his Miharagula’s amusements was to have elephants thrown over the great precipices into the valley below”.

The treatment of men was sometimes worse then that of animals (some of the animals like cows were actually revered because they were Gods). Lower caste Hindus had a misrable life. Other historians have commented that the treatment of women was even worse, specially women of lower castes, they were considered the “property” of the upper caste Hindus, to be molested and/or raped at will. In many cases the new bride had to stay a night with the village Brahman before she was married off. Kashmir converted to Islam during this time period. It was cruelty like this that led to the whole sale conversion to Islam. The new religion offered them equality and saved them from the Brahmans.

Jawaharlal Nehru says, “Soon however the Hun power weakened in India… the Huns have been defeated and driven back, but many remain in odd corners. The Great Gupta dynasty fades away after Balditya.
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The end of Taxila
by Salman Rashid, Daily Times, May 30, 2008
Taxila, Pakistan — With the defeat of the Huns in 528, Taxila attempted to make a comeback. But forsaken by its upper classes, Taxila perhaps became home to rustics from surrounding settlements and began its final journey into the long night.
Beginning with the annexation of Taxila to the kingdom of Alexander, there began a three hundred year-long period of Taxilan Hellenisation — save of course the century-long hiatus of the Mauryan period.

The successors of Alexander’s general Seleucus Nikator annexed Afghanistan and Taxila together with most of modern Pakistan.

A hundred and fifty years later, they were overthrown by the pale-skinned Scythians (Saka to the Indians). These horse-riding warriors so overwhelmed our part of the world that Sindh became Saka Dvipa — Island of the Sakas for the people of India and Indo-Scythia for the distant Greeks.

Taxila was now ruled by the Scythian king Maues. Within a few years of his death in 53 BCE, the land was overtaken by yet another wave of equestrian warriors. The Parthians had much in common with their distant kinsmen, the Sakas; only they were a good deal culturally less refined than the people they replaced. They had, nevertheless, the desi

By the year 19 CE, Taxila was firmly in the able hands of the Parthian king Gondophares in whose reign the Greek philosopher Apollonious visited the city to tell us so much about it. When Gondophares died in 50 CE, so too did the great age of Hellenisation of Taxila come to an end. No long after this great king’s death, Taxila was visited by the plague which wiped out a major part of its population and left the city reeling.
In that enfeebled state about the year 65, it was run over by the Kushans — another Central Asiatic race. Unlike the nearly bloodless takeover by the Parthians only fifty years earlier, this change was bloody: as the Kushans tore across the Yusufzai plain leaving death and destruction in their wake, and even as they came over the fords of the Sindhu River, Taxila was seized by a frenzy of terror.

With only their lives and the clothes on their backs the Taxilans fled to the safety of the Margalla hills. Behind them they abandoned all that they valued in the hope of returning to recover their treasures and rebuild their lives after the trouble subsided.

Few made it back, however: ‘Many of these [Parthian] antiquities, particularly the gold jewellery and the vessels of silver and bronze, were discovered in treasure hoards which the townspeople had evidently buried in haste beneath the floors of their houses under the menace of the Kushan invasion and which they did not live to recover; others were found scattered amid the debris of the fallen buildings.’ Sir John Marshall goes on to declare the archaeological yield of Parthian Sirkap as the ‘richest and most varied collection of personal ornaments, household utensils, implements and arms that has yet been found in India.’

Thus began a new period in the long and chequered history of Taxila: the age of the Kushans. Just two kilometres to the north of the ruins of Sirkap, on the far bank of the winding Lundi Nallah, in a wide sylvan plain, the massive buttressed walls of what we today know as Sirsukh mark the site of the Kushans’ Taxila.

It is not known why the change was warranted; perhaps the new masters of Taxila thought the overlooking spur of Hathial to the south of Sirkap (where the Kunala monastery sits) disadvantageous to the defence of the city; perhaps the site was considered inauspicious for memory of the earthquake (of 25 CE) and the plague would still have persisted. Or perhaps the Kushans considered it inappropriate to inhabit a city they had wrested from a weaker foe. Whatever the case, when the transfer did take place, it was only partial as it had been from Bhir to Sirkap. This time around too, the lower strata of society continued to reside in the older city.

Kushan rule over Taxila still tantalisingly holds its secrets because Sirsukh, owing to waterlogging, has not been properly investigated. But one thing we do know without any doubt: that Kanishka, the celebrated Kushan king (ruled circa 140-165) extended his sway beyond Taxila to Kashmir, Punjab and Afghanistan. Great building activity took place with monasteries such as that of Jaulian, Mohra Moradu and Giri being raised to consecrate images of the Buddha. The fame of Taxila as a Buddhist centre spread across the northern borders to China and the city was thronged with pilgrims from distant parts.

But kingdoms decay and Kanishka’s was no exception. In 230 CE, Ardeshir Babagan, the founder of the Sassanian dynasty, took over Bactria and Gandhara before extending his influence into Punjab as far east as Sirhind. Taxila changed hands once again between Persians and Kushans before finally falling into the hands of another branch of Kushans known after their leader as the Kidara Kushans. This was the year 390 and these newcomers were flying from the more powerful and ruthless White Huns.

Having established themselves in Taxila, the Kidara Kushans saw just half a century of relative peace as the Huns engaged in their depredations in the lands beyond the Oxus River. Slowly news began to percolate across the Hindu Kush barrier of the bloody progress through the Afghan highlands of barbarians with ‘broad shoulders, flat noses, and small black eyes deeply sunk in their heads, and little or no hair on their faces.’ In 460 or shortly thereafter, the tempest that was the White Huns, having ravaged Afghanistan, burst across the Suleman Mountains to wreak havoc on the trans-Sindhu countries.

Annals of the Chinese travellers Fa Hian (400 CE) Sung Yun (520-21) and Xuanzang (630-46) contain details of bone-chilling atrocities wrought by the ruthless Toraman and his son and successor Mehr Gul also known as Attila of Indian Huns. But it is Pundit Kalhana’s epic Rajatrangini (written circa 1150) that tells us of this killer of ‘three crores’ had no pity either for women or children or the aged, and that the progress of his army across the countryside was marked by a cloud of vultures and crows that followed in their keenness to feed on the corpses they left behind.

One morning as the monks from, say, Jaulian or Bhamala were preparing to set out on their alms-seeking trip to the streets of Taxila, they would have seen the dark cloud of birds and heard the din of the advancing army. Some may have stayed to try and defend what they and so many generations before them had held dear to their souls. Others would have fled into the hills. But not one who stayed lived to tell the tale of what transpired. The town of Taxila was laid low, its monasteries given over to arson and silence descended on this once glorious city, a silence that was broken fifteen hundred years later when John Marshall’s team struck the first spade in the hills known as Dheri Shahan — Mound of the Kings.

With the defeat of the Huns in 528, Taxila attempted to make a comeback. But forsaken by its upper classes, Taxila perhaps became home to rustics from surrounding settlements and began its final journey into the long night. In the annals of northwest Punjab, its name was used for the last time by Xuanzang. Thereafter it was to be known only as the place where the great Buddha had offered his head to a starving tiger: Sirkap (Cut Head), Babarkan or Babar (Tiger) Khana. The name Taxila, Takshasila or Takhasila, completely lost, was not even part of the folklore.

It was with considerable effort, therefore, that 19th century archaeologists were able to fix its position. But when the name Taxila (now corrupted on local tongues to Tuskla) again became fashionable, the uneducated masses took it to signify ‘ruin’.

Do not then be surprised when asked which Tuskla you would like to see: the Bhir Tuskla or the Giri Tuskla or the Jaulian Tuskla?

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Salman Rashid is a travel writer and knows Pakistan like the back of his hand. He can be reached at odysseus@beaconet.net
Adil Shah says:

March 23, 2010 at 5:36 pm

Do you want to know how Pakistan treats it’s minorities…..Pakistan Army uses Christian woman as Sex Slaves as they did Bengali Woman in Bangladesh. See below link:

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/MYAI-8335MP?OpenDocument
The Editor says:

March 23, 2010 at 5:40 pm

Which article are your referring to?

Your flamebait petard is not connected to any topic at hand.

Didn’t see any “sex slave” activity on the site. Pakistan is on the receiving end of Indian terror–and some may have over stepped their boundaries.

This should be condemned.

However 1300 allegations does not meet the standards to which you refer to.
tashfin says:

March 24, 2010 at 3:03 am

Mr Ansari: I am not able to post any comment have you banned me
The Editor says:

March 24, 2010 at 10:37 am

Zain: Your comments are appearing. No we have not banned you. Why would be do that?

If your comments contain banned or abusive words, the system will automatically trash the comment without the Admin ever knowing. If you want your comments published, please do not use abusive language.

I did find some of your comments in the spam section, and pulled them out. However to publish them, I had to edit them (this one time)–taking out the abusive words.

Please be careful when writing.

Thanks

With reference to your points. We agree with you. However, the writer is from Nowshera (I checked) and is a genuine but misguided Pakistani. He is hurting–one can tell. One has to deal with these situations with tact, not abuse.

He felt strongly about what he said. The misinformation has to be challenged NOT by abuse, but with logic and love and affection that we all feel for each other..

We will not let this forum be a back and forth based on ethnicity. We need your help to keep it that way.
Selvamani says:

July 21, 2010 at 5:00 am

The brahmins are very good at spreading lies like they currently do against Christians and Muslims about the conversions. Anything who question their authority, priestly livelihood is maligned, demonized and destroyed. This was what happened to Buddhism. Violence has always been very integral to Brahminism which is basically a pagan racist ideology of hate, oppression and slavery. They still believe that Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are part of brahminism when the fact is all three are antithetical to oppressive, anti-democratic brahminism. Likewise they believe Dalits and Tribals are Hindus too even though they had their own religions and were never admitted into brahminical temples. Brahminists resort to lies, false propaganda and violence when faced with facts. The dogma of karma has never allowed them to have a sense of shame and guilt – the oppressed must suffer because its their karma.
T.R AZAD says:

July 27, 2010 at 9:15 am

ur work is remarkable.
TR AZAD
puneetsingh87 says:

August 31, 2010 at 6:01 am

I agree to it, to some extent.
The Editors says:

September 1, 2010 at 6:22 am

Puneet or whatever your name is this week: Obviously did not read the article before you posted the flame bait.

Mohammad Bin Qasim arrived in the 8th century. Buddhism had been extirpated out of Kashmir and its place of birth before that, and other places by the Brahmans. Read Kalhan’s Ratingari’s poetry which I own.

As our research quotes Bharati historians (Nehru in particular) about he Brahman imperialism that sailed to Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and tried to chase out Brahminism from there.

No Muslim army ever marched into Indonesia—–there were only traders who converted the Indonesians.
rohit says:

November 9, 2010 at 6:01 am

this is the funniest thing i hav ever read,indus valley excavations had stupas discovered lol indus valley civilisation ended arn 1700 bc,buddhism came arnd 500 bc,lalitadtiya brahmin king of kashmir built the largest buddhist vihara in south asia,gupta king samudragupta built the gold railing arnd bodh gaya temple,nearly all gr8 buddhist philosophers from ancient india wer brahmins,7 out of 10 disciple of buddha-brahmins,the convener of the 1st buddhist meet-brahmin,buddha’s mother ws a brahmin,ashoka the gr8′s mother ws a brahmin and it ws his brahmin wife who introduced him to buddhism
The Editors says:

November 9, 2010 at 9:52 am

Rohit if thtas what you want to call yourself this week:

Sorry to bust your bubble that a large building does not translate into a Stupas. In any case, a stupas does not translate into any Bharati God or Pantheon–all of which are missing from the Indus Valley.

You are right, Brahamns destroyed the Buddhists and built temples on top of Buddhist and Jain structures.

Ashoka never existed–he was concocted by James Princep. No evidence can be presented of his existence before the British made him a figure.

It must be nice to have a monopoly on truth and veracity. It always amazes us that denizens of the the worlds largest Nehruistocracy cannot look at any other version of history, except their own. What is most astounding is the fact that that the temple indoctrination in Bharat does not allow any dissenting point of view on history, and only lets the brainwashed population accept the temple version of events.

The IVC was not Hindu. They buried their dead, wrote a non-Sanskirt pictographic language, ate beef, did not know the horse, were not vegetarian, wrote right to left, did not know the horse (No Arjun), and did not worship any of the Hindu pantheon (Arjun, Agni, Mithra, Nag). This map shows the Indus Valley Civilization which traded with the Muslim Moses in Mesopotamia. Pakistan is the latst Muslim incarnation of the IVC. The Indus people banded together to live together as they had lived together for thousands of years. This was the contract once the Britain left. Bharat never existed as a united country–What Partition? Bharat never existed as a nited country–Pakistan did for thousands of years. The original IVC thrived only on the banks of the Indus when Bharat was jungle. (http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/pakistan-existed-5000-years-ago-as-ivc.gif)
rajesh says:

November 17, 2010 at 10:45 pm

I am from Indonesia.the Muslim traders converted the coastal Indonesians on Java island and these rouge invaded and destroyed the peaceful and high Hindu civilizations in the interior.It is a fact that the Muslims have not been able to build what the Hindus built in Java and Sumatra , not only in architecture but society welfare.Today many Indonesian,despite being Muslims, remember their glorious past in the form of the Hindu kingdom of Majapahit and Buddhist kingdom of Srivijaya.No glory has ever been mentioned from Islamic kingdoms,as they were small,disunited and fell like a pack of cards in front of the Dutch colonizers.
The Editors says:

November 18, 2010 at 1:15 am

For someone who claims to be be from Indonesia–you certainly have your loyalties towards Bharat. Indonesia is the largest Islamic republic and that is way they hate the creatures like you–who live in Indonesia and have loyalties to Hindu Bharat. Pretty soon Bali will be all Muslim and your kind will find yourself on a boat to nowhere!

In the year of 30 hijriyah or 651 Christian, just arround 20 years after Rasulullah SAW passed away, the khalifah Uthman ibn Affan RA sent the delegation to China introducing Islam’s Daulah. On the way of 4 years, the messangers of Uthman apparently stopped in Indonesian archipelago. This was the first time Indonesian people introduced Islam. Since, the moslem seaman and merchants kept coming for centuries. They bought agricultural produce from this green country while religious proselytizing.

Gradually, the indigene started to embrace Islam even though not an a large scale. Aceh, the most west region in Indonesia archipelago was the first region receiving Islam. Moreover, in Aceh, the first Islam kingdom was standing, Pasai. Marcopolo said that on the time his stop in Pasai in 692 H/1292 C, many Arabic people had disseminated Islam. So Ibnu Battutha, moslem wanderer from Marocco which when he was stopping in Aceh in 746 H/1345 C, wrote that in Aceh had disseminated Syafi’i mazhab. Now the oldest inheritance from the moslem was found in Gresik, East Java, that was the Islam funeral complex. One of them was a muslimah grave, called Fathima binti Maimun. In her grave was written numeral of year 475 H/1082 C, meant long ago before Majapahit, greatest Hindu’s Empire in Indonesia.

Read glimpses of World history by Jawaharlal Nehru—for a listing of Brahman imperialism in Southeast Asia.

Sri Vijaya, based at Palembang in southern Sumatra, reached through Java to the east and to the area of Bangkok (before it existed) in Thailand to the north. It was a Buddhist empire born in 670 A.D. and lasting until 1365. During this period, Buddhist culture and thought spread throughout the archipelagic region, influencing social order, commerce, and art.

Irregardless of what they teach your temples–Indonesia was Buddhist–and marauding hordes of Brahmans invades, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Indonesia and tried to exterminate Buddhism in the lands. the brutal Madjapahit Hindu empire with a capital in eastern Java originated about 1100 with help from the colonialists from South Bharat. It continued its brutalities ’till 1500. Hinduism was reversed in all the countries, and it kept its hold in Bali–the last island which is a reminder of Hindu imperialism in Southeast Asia.

Malacca was the first major Islamic state in the region–located in what is Malaysia today–originating in 1400 and remaining powerful until defeated by a major Portuguese naval force in 1511. In the period of Pasisir culture authors were very active in writing books on all subjects belonging to the sphere of Muslim Javanese civilization.

The three centres of Pasisir literature in Java were Surabaya (with Gresik), Demak (with Japara) and Cérbon (with Banten). East Javanese Pasisir texts came first, for in East Java Muslim religious influence first became an important element in civilization. Starting from Java, Islamic Pasisir culture spread to some other islands of which the coasts are washed by the Java sea. The most important outlying cultural provinces were Lombok and Palémbang. In the island of Lombok a remarkable Islamic Javano-Balinese literature came into existence. The texts contain reminiscences of indigenous Sasak culture. The native Sasak language developed into a medium of literary activity side by side with the Javano-Balinese idiom.

The important oversea expansions of Javanese Pasisir literature, both eastwards and westwards, started from East Java. Minor expansions, of Javanese Pasisir culture took their course from Banten and from Central Javanese maritime towns. The districts affected by them, Lampung in South Sumatra by Banten, and Bañjar Masin in Borneo by Central Java, did not produce Javanese literary texts of any importance, however.

In, Javanese Pasisir literature, the influence of Islamic culture was strong. Islam first reached Java by the intermediary of Malay literature, Malay being the medium of the interinsular commerce which brought Muslim traders from India to the Archipelago. Asa result, Pasisir literature contains borrowings, from Malay and from Arabic, the sacred language of Islam, but also, from other continental languages, in the first place Persian, which was the universal Islamic medium in India in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries.

A number of significant early mosques survive, particularly along the north coast of Java. These include the Mesjid Agung in Demak, built in 1474, and the Menara Kudus Mosque in Kudus (1549) whose minaret is thought to be the watch tower of an earlier Hindu temple. Javanese mosque styles in turn influenced the architectural styles of mosques among its neighbors, among other the mosques in Kalimantan, Sumatra, Maluku, and also neighboring Malaysia, Brunei and the southern Philippines. Sultan Suriansyah Mosque in Banjarmasin and Kampung Hulu Mosque in Malacca for example displaying Javanese influence.

In 19th century, the sultanates of Indonesian archipelago began to merge Islamic architecture with Javanese style already popular in the archipelago. The Indo-Islamic and Moorish style are particularly favoured by Aceh Sultanate and Deli Sultanate, as displayed in Banda Aceh Baiturrahman Grand Mosque built in 1881, and Medan Grand Mosque built in 1906. Particularly during the decades since Indonesian independence, mosques have tended to be built in styles more consistent with global Islamic styles, which mirrors the practice of Islam.

For more information read “History of Islamic Societies” by Ira Lapidus. My copy is tuck in the attic somewhere, and I can’t find it–but it lists the history of Islam in Indonesia in vivid detail
rajesh gindwani says:

November 18, 2010 at 8:00 am

i have tried to reply the nonsense the editors have written in response to my comments but apparently i have been blocked.will u be gallant enough to unblock me so I can give u a fitting reply ?
The Editors says:

November 18, 2010 at 12:37 pm

If you used your real name and did not keep on changing it every week, and if you had anything reasonable to say, we would publish your comments.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 18, 2010 at 1:27 pm

@not using real name :this is my real name and i live in jakarta unlike you all who hide behind the name “the editors”. @my loyalty to Bharat :i love my county Indonesia but when it comes to India Pakistan of course i ll side only with the truth Bharat.my ancestors are from Sindh living peacefully with Muslim Sindhis before the Punjabi Muslims drove us out.anybody wants to know how Pakistan treats its religious minorities …well I am a living proof.
The Editors says:

November 18, 2010 at 10:21 pm

Rajesh: Living proof of genocide against the Jains and Buddhists who were exterminated and replaced by Hindus.

You avoided the subject when proof was given to you about Indonesian history and how Hindu hordes killed the Buddhists there.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 6:50 am

rajesh gindwani is my real name and I live in Jakarta.come and look me up.I am not coward when it comes to my country why use fake name.ON the other hand why dont the “editors” identify themselves ?
I am a Sindhi whose ancestors came from Hyderabad Sindh,leaving peacefully with Muslim Sindhis before the Punjabi Muslims forced us out. So you can see where my loyalties lie,certainly not with Pakistan.You talk about how Pakistan treats its minorities,if they were civilized we wouldn’t leave our homelands.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 6:56 am

am having problems posting my comment,for I have written a lot re Indonesia in response to urs. Let me write bit by bit may be it can go through.
@Bali being Muslim: sorry to disappoint,but that wont happen.Indonesians are realizing their Hindu roots and show greater tolerance towards this divine faith.
@Majapahit being brutal empire : try coming down here and mention that to any Indonesian Muslim,you wont return with your head on your shoulders.Majority Indonesians,despite being Muslims identify their nation with this glorious HIndu empire.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 7:02 am

@Majapahit existed with the help of South India colonists: all lies.Majapahit was started by a Javanese,Raden Wijaya who was the last crown prince of Singosari.Singosari was in ruins after attacked from Kediri,Raden Wijaya persuaded the Chinese to attack Kediri, and then he drove the Chinese forces and started the Majapahit dynasty.Where did you get this nonsense about South India creating Majapahit ?
@Malacca being the first major Islamic state : qoute from wikipedia ” the rulers of Malaca,despite their prestigious Buddhist Srivijayan origin,converted to Islam precisely to attract Muslim traders to their ports”ref from “A History of Modern Indonesia “by Stamford Publications. I have nothing more to say re this shameful bit of history about religious traitors.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 7:08 am

@fatima’s grave : what are trying to prove that Islamic empires started before Hindu empires,all this you got from a grave ??
Majapahit emperors and the HIndu Kings were tolerant and allowed non Hindu settlements in their empires.That is the explanation of the grave.see History of Java by Raffles and excavations by Indonesian archeologists in Trowulan.
younib says:

November 19, 2010 at 4:00 pm

punjabi muslims drove u out but ‘sindhi’ muslims were peaceful wid u xD & u live in indoneasia but ur loyalty is wid India ?? tell me which sect of hindus/buddhists if any migrated all the way from pak to indonasia. hahahahahaha mate ur a bigger joke than all the stupid indians combined.

the ‘editor’s’ name is Moin & unlike u the man’s got brains to write regarldess of idiots think.
The Editors says:

November 19, 2010 at 6:19 pm

The discussion of whether Majapahit emperors were tolerant is a subject of much controversy.
The Editors says:

November 19, 2010 at 6:21 pm

Jawahlal Nehru writes about it in “Glimpses of World History”. He discusses Hindu imperialism in Southeast Asia. Where do you think the Majapahit came from? Mars?
The Editors says:

November 19, 2010 at 6:23 pm

Great example of toleration if they go after our heads! LOL

I am sure the Jamah e Islamia disagrees with you.
The Editors says:

November 19, 2010 at 7:01 pm

Your kind is the real reason for the creation of Pakistan. The cruelty of the Hindu of the Bombay Constituency in Sindh is legendary, and the Muslims remember it well. You have no right to call yourself Sindhi. Sindh was created after an agitation against Bombay.

The agitation was led by Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto and all the Hindus of the Bombay Constituency opposed it.

So if your kind had stayed in Sindh, you would have been tried for murder, rape, human right violations, genocide and slavery. too bad that that you escaped to Indonesia. Pakistan should try to get you back and get the stolen wealth that you took with you.

You are doing the same kind of stuff there–and you will be thrown out, just like you guys were thrown out of Uganda and Kenya.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 9:49 pm

@Pasai: you re trying to explain Pasai was greater than Majapahit is it ? well Pasai is the greatest Islamic kingdom of Indonesia but its boundaries is only in Aceh,whereas Majapahit encompassed the whole of Indonesian archipelago and many parts of South East Asia.In fact it is the greatest empire south east Asia has ever seen.How can you even compare the two of them.
Here is news for you,Pasai,the greatest Islamic kingdom, was started by a Hindu,Mene Silu in 1297.the complete name of the kingdom is Samudera Pasai,and samudera is a Hindu/Sanskirt word.
@Indonesia being Buddhist not Hindu : Indonesia was very much a Hindu nation,Buddhism came later.Proof ?
a. the symbol of Indonesia and symbol of national airline is Garuda bird,the vanaha of Lord Vishnu.
b. in the beginning of the country’s constitution,the five national principles are mentioned known as Pancasila,a Sanskrit Hindu term.
c.on the Garuda bird you can find the national motto”Bhineka Tunggal Ika” meaning unity in diversity,again a Sanskrit term.
d. the national navy of Indonesia’s motto is Jalasveva Jayamahe,a Sanskrit term meaning is sea we’re victorious.
e. there’s a statue of Lord Krisna riding along Arjuna in front of the National Square in the capital.
f.the entire population,right from president to remote villagers cherish Ramayana and Mahabharat enacments in the form of puppet shows known as Wayang.
g.the national pride of the country is not a mosque,but the Hindu temple Prambanan and the Buddhist temple Borobudur.
h.the highest peaks in the country have Hindu names such as Mt Bromo,Mt Arjuna,Mt Semeru.
i.even the names of the 1st,2nd,5th and current presidents have Hindu names such as Soekarno,Soeharto,Megawati,Susilo Yudhoyono.
j.majority of the Indonesian Muslims live on Java , and they practice a combination of Islam and Hindu faiths.See Jogjakarta, the kingdom within Indonesia,despite being Muslim have Hindu based rituals in the palaces.
@Lombok : the ppl of Lombok even have a name of such combination of religion, and they call it Islam Telu,which is a combination of Islam and Hindu faith,which is influenced from neighboring Bali.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm

what murder and genocide you talking about ? we re only 25% in Sindh, what can a minority do to the majority ?this is a serious accusation, so be serious and give proofs.Being a minority the Hindu Sindhis engaged in trade and administration and the Muslims in cultivating land.As a result of efficient trade and administration by the Hindus,Karachi became prosperous and an important port.
when we wanted to leave Sindh, our Sindhi Muslims neighbors pleaded with us not to do so..reason? they wanted our votes so they can remain the major power in province as well national level.This is a fact which we got from our grandparents which ppl like you want to erase from your history.But the cruelty of the Punjabis dominating the national govt was unbearable and we left. Today look what happen ? You want to deny the fact that the Mohajirs have never been at peace with the local Muslim Sindhis and tearing the province apart ? You want to deny the fact that Karachi was more peaceful and prosperous under Hindu Sindhi administration than it is today under the Muslims ? Karachi did not have bombs blasted everytime before partition.
Pakistan had two Sindhi leaders,Ali Bhutto and his daughter Benazir,and look what you guys did to them.
India had Lal Krisna Advani,a Sindhi and look how honored he is in India.and since I mentioned Advani,in case you want to start your love story with the BJP,please dont as its not relevant here.
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 10:21 pm

No Majapahit did not come from Mars,like I have written above,it was started by the cleverness of a single person, a local prince Raden Wijaya…and sorry to burst your bubble but ….no he was not an Indian! He was from East Java born in the same city as I was born( Singosari,subdistrict of Malang) so I do not even need any history book to prove the achievements of the prince as I see his work in my city everyday.
Dont tell me you want to argue against one of the most established fact in Indonesia history.
@Glimpses of World History : Yes I have the book and unlike the Islamic wars, the wars between Indian empires and Indonesians are not religious motivated,but for economic reasons only.If you read the book carefully even Nehru said the same thing.This is a fact agreed by all Indonesian and as well Indian historians. I do not think Pakistanis have much say in the matter as it does not concern them.If Hindus are murdering hordes killing all Buddhist in South East Asia like you believe, do you think Cambodia, a Buddhist country would you have a Lord Vishnu dedicated Hindu temple Angkor Wat on their national flag and consider it as their national pride and symbol ?
rajesh gindwani says:

November 19, 2010 at 10:36 pm

@Cutting of heads : was just a metaphor LOL Indonesians are tolerant and peaceful but yes they’ll be upset if you speak against their national historical pride.Recently the Indonesians lost Sipadan and Ligitan islands to Malaysia in an international court,and many analyst were lamenting that if Indonesia would have been as great as Majapahit, we would not loose our territory to Malaysia.
@Jamah e Islamia : aha you seem to have sympathy of this organizaton, then surely you must be a Pakistani ! Jamah Islamiyah is branded as terrorist organization by the US and many SE Asian countries like Thailand and Phillipines.
Abu Bakar Bashir was alleged as leader of that group, and the Indonesian govt decided to honor him by sending the aged man straight to jail.
The Editors says:

November 20, 2010 at 2:00 am

Rajesh: you keep repeating yourself. We have already published the history of Indonesia. Your version is not accurate. We don’t want to discuss this any further. Thanks
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 23, 2010 at 11:41 am

I am going to publicise your blog so much. It would be a shame to deny sane people of the knowledge of how much concocting of facts can be done.

How do you assume that your misrepresentation of facts will make any change to the truth?

This blog is a such a failure. Sad.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 23, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Shenoy:

Your temple indoctrination will tell you the false stories. However reality is different.

Jeopardy Answer: “persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self maintained against all evidence”. Jeopardy Answer: What is delusional Bharati pathological insanity.

The Signs & Symptoms of Psychotic Depression

Your gripe falls on deaf ears on the 4 million readers who visited us recently.

We simply reproduced the truth that has been around for centuries. If you can’t hack it–that is your own personal problem.

Maybe you should stick to HinduUnity.org–if you don’t want to read other points of view
Alansaralhaq says:

November 23, 2010 at 1:01 pm

I see the Hyenas are out in full force.

I love Moin Bros ability to rattle their cages.

Great stuff.
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 23, 2010 at 4:22 pm

Temple indoctrination? That’s hilarious. Unlike most of you, we are not taught verses that instruct extermination of kafirs in any way possible in madrassas. Please clear your already misled minds of the misconception that we are (unfortunately for us, fortunately for you) taught religion as part of our curriculum, and that we learn in temples. We do not. Schools, that teach rational and straight forward matter exist here.
Although, the fact remains that a large amount of negationism in indian education keeps our youth from learning about the blood stained past that the Muslim invaders had brought upon a once peaceful and propsperous Bharathavarsham.

And delusional has always been the state of mind of pakistan(is) and lack of open mindedness has always pulled your nation to the ground, and will continue to do so, unless this mindless lie fabrication is put to an end.

Nice way to take the focus off by calling people insane and delusional. Might need to have this trick up my sleeve too :D
And thanks for the educational link about psychotic depression. Unfortunately I donot in any way need it. Neither do most people who will read this blog. Besides its not even relevant to the topic at hand.

4 Million readers doesn’t imply all 4 million readers bought the BS that is being doled out here.

And as you say, unless you do not wish to see other POVs, please post well researched stuff that is not light years away from reality.
Haven’t heard about hinduunity.org, what is it?
And seems that the site is down for maintenance. :(
Akhbar Navees says:

November 23, 2010 at 11:15 pm

http://hinduunity.org/

Maybe the Super Cray computers of the Potemkin IT superpower are not functioning properly (maybe they were ‘made in bharat’–err Russian with tricolored decal on it)–but for us ordinary malich-mortals the site functions just fine. “Fine” means–it is spewing its normal garbage–all listed in your temple indoctrination.

You must be part of half of the population of Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkota, Benaras, Lucknow etc live, die, sleep, and procreate on the side-walks. To make matters worse, the city charges them rent to sleep on the sidewalks.

Most of our readers are repeat customers–so not sure why they would keep visiting our site if there was not value-add. Another things, our readership is increasing exponentially.

You have not been able to refute even one of the points on the destruction of Buddhism by Brahamnism–therefore Rupee News game set match and Rohit, zip nada, zilch, sifir and zero. Since you guys supposedly invented math, you may know the meaning of that.

Take care Rohit–and keep smiling ;-0)
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 24, 2010 at 5:15 am

That website has been blocked by Indian ISPs on the order of spineless muslim appeasing politicians, for seemingly having been spreading “extreme hindu religious views”. Which is probably only a retaliatory attempt to drown the poison spewing IRF and other pro jihad websites that everyone seems to condone.

And as for your allegation that indian it is just a facade under russian assistance, my friend please dont keep yourself in the dark. We were denied a Cray back in ’87 and we built a indigenous supercomputer ourselves, and Russia bought a scaled down version of the Param padma from India.

Yes, a large number of people do face bad living conditions here in india, but considering the fact we’re talking about India, (a nation rising towards being a super power) and Pakistan (a nation which is among the top ten failed states of the world already) people sleeping on the streets is far better than people blowing themselves up in the streets and mosques. Poverty isn’t a crime, but atleast people here aren’t intellectually poor like the fundamentalists you see everyday.

About being repeat customers take a look at me. I find this blog an absolute pile of cock and bull stories, but I am coming back am I not? And people will bring others when some tamasha is going on, that explains the exponentiation in your readership.

And all that this blog does is rake up misappropriated information from the unrecorded past and create conspiracy theories.
Why don’t you look at things that are happening at the moment, like the Muslim insurgency in Thailand and the consequent mass murders of Buddhists?
As you claim in the article Brahmins persecuted Buddhists in the past, why are you so silent on the fact that Muslims are butchering Buddhists as we speak in Thailand? This clearly displays what your level of concern for Buddhism is.
You are hardly bothered about whether Buddhism flourishes or not. All you care about is how to cook up stories to shift the blame to India and Hindus.
This beautiful concoction doesnt very well support your sympathy/empathy for buddhists considering the Muslims destroyed the Bamiyan buddhas so mercilessly.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 24, 2010 at 5:46 pm

Your rhetoric is full of nonsense. Bharat is not headed anywhere.

Bharat is a failed state with 40% of the landmass under the control of the Naxals, the seven sisters of Assam almost independent with no central control, Kashmir in open revolt and 75% of the population of Bharat is living under $2 per day—50% of its survives on less than $1.25 per day. Bharat’s internal poverty line is Rs. 15 per day. Bharat is the hungriest nation in South Asia—according to the hunger Index. Slumdog Bharat was on display in all its horrid glory in front of the world during the CWG. Bharat has been the illegitimate prostitute of Russia for decades and wants to seduce America, begging for a relationship.

India’s GDP is smaller than the GDP of Benelux countries. America’s Defense budget is larger than the GDP of the worlds largest Nehruistocracy. Canada’s GDP is bigger than that of India–and India has 1.3 billion people. When one divides the Indian GDP by the population of India one gets poverty levels worse than that of Sub-Sharan Africa. In fact 14 Indian states are worse off than the worst countries in Africa. Any visitor to India is appalled by the level of poverty in India. The Bharati debt to GDP ratio is calculated at 58% to 70% (depending on the study). Some even calculate it at 90%. It is moving to dangerous level and will lead to the collapse of the economy–something that has happened to Argentina, Brazil and Bharat itself. The problem is that the Bharati debt is increasing, not decreasing. Have you ever heard of the G2 scandal where Manmohan ran off with $39 billion. Bharatis have socked away $1.3 Trillion in Swiss banks.

Hindus destroyed thousands of Buddhist sites, exterminate them from Bharat, decimate their entire poulation and then you shed crocodile tears for Buddhism.

We have published stories of Thais butchering Muslims in Thailand. Muslims are a small minority living in the Patani Muslim state that remains occupied by Thailand

http://rupeenews.com/2008/06/06/islams-thai-problem-occupied-patani-muslim-malay-sultanate/

http://rupeenews.com/2008/06/06/islams-thai-problem-occupied-patani-muslim-malay-sultanate/

Islam’s Thai problem: Patani Muslim Malay sultanate occupied in 1902. The Muslims are primarily concentrated in Thailand’s five southern provinces which border Malaysia: Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Satun, and Songkhla
Akhbar Navees says:

November 24, 2010 at 6:08 pm

The entire Bharati missile program is Russian–and it has faced massive failures.

Bharat is a failed state.

Failed States. Click here
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 25, 2010 at 1:16 pm

Rhetoric? When it all boils down to why muslims perpetrate so much terrorism, questions and statements become rhetoric and nonsensical to the likes of you. Very well.

All you do is sit inside your clam shell and look at the nation thru your pakistani glasses. No wonder you don’t see the growth your neighbouring nation is achieving. Although your post is made completely of plagiarised stuff from India bashing websites, I wouldn’t find it a waste of time to make sure you understand the *actual* situation from a neutral POV.

Please visit the CIA fact book,

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Australian newspapers actually appreciated the CWG, and the hardwork that went into organising it. But your nation’s pathetic display of sportsmanship with the sports minister pushing around the team, did make the CWG lose its sheen. :D

Atleast we *CAN* host the CWG, Pak’s economy would go haywire and come crashing down to the ruins if you even try to.

India’s GDP is humongous compared to Pakistan’s anyways, considering there’s a LOT more people here than there are in your nation, a decent per capita GDP is also being maintained. And again please, stop plagiarising posts. Atleast don’t plagiarise verbatim.

Hindus may have destroyed sites, according to your fabricated sources, but we all know and have seen, muslims now claiming to be so very concerned about the well being of Buddhists blasting away happily, with explosives world heritage sites at bamiyan. And there is video recorded proof of this.

Who are the known iconoclasts? Hindus? Not really. Everyone knows Islam preaches destruction of idols and idol worship. So plainly does the anarchist/secessionist/dominating nature of Islam show up with every act of violence that are so mindlessly performed and condoned.

I am not shedding crocodile tears, I am only saying you have no rights to shed even crocodile tears, considering your modern world anti buddhist agenda is open for perusal.

And as is norm for muslims, you choose to ignore completely buddhists being put to horrifying deaths like in thailand, because the life of a non muslim is of no worth and neither is a muslim supposed to criticize anything that a muslim brother does, which is pure hypocrisy.

About the failed states please come up with a more convincing source than some random blog by some random person who doesnt even know he needs to have some information in the About page that can identify him. Not some random statistics generated by some random policy cooking institute, STAPINS.

No credible source will tell you that India is anywhere even close to being a failed state although the opposite would be true for pakistan.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 25, 2010 at 6:38 pm

>.India’s GDP

Let facts intrude. Bharat’s GDP is smaller than than the GDP of the Benelux countries. If you divide the Bharati GDP by 1.3 billion penury stricken poverty invested people you get a a per capita that is below Sub-Sahahan Africa.

LEARN TO DIVIDE.

Brahamansim destroyed Buddhism and Jianism. This is fact. You cannot come to terms with it. It is a problem of Groupthink and paranoia which prevents Bharat from progressing.

Bharati temple indoctrination disallows you to look at another point of view. This is the main reason that all neighbors think of Bharat with contempt. You may be delusional if you think that Bharat has good relations with Saudi Arabia! Your press is infested with a mind-set and is truly not free. Read the writings o Noam Chomsky abut the Bharati press. There is no cure for delusions of grandeur. Look outside. Go to the sites and see their condition. You will see colossal cavities. You have learned to ingnore them

Every promise that is being made to Bharat has already been made to Pakistan–decades ago. Every promise has been broken. Henry Kissinger said it best “the US is dangerous for it enemies, but very dangerous for its friends”.

Meager success for the past decade has given Bharat a swollen head way beyond its capacity. Its over-reach will come back and haunt it dramatically and very negatively.

Pakistan’s per capita GNP (repeat GNP–NATIONAL) is higher than Bharat’s even today

Bharat may be very excited about the new military exercises it is holding for the first time in sixty years. As a founding member of SEATO, CENTO and a Major Non-Nato Ally (MNNA) Pakistan has been holding joint exercises with all major world powers for the past forty years.

You guys are very impresses by the US–and will be getting toys from America in the next decade (maybe). Pakistan has been using US toys since the fifties. No big deal. Pakistan has moved ahead of Bharat is airplane construction and will be exporting JF-17 Thunders.

The latest threat perception report for Bharat lists three circle of problems for Bharat. The Indian Defense Journal lists Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan as the first set of issues; China and the 2nd set of threats, and the Gulf and Arabian peninsula as the third set of threats for Bharat.

You are right, Bharatis are infatuated by the Gora sahibs–Pakistanis are not. Pakistan has resisted re-colonization. Bharat is inviting it.

Pakistan is the Tipu Sultan of South Asia–fighting foreign aggression, while Bharat is playing the role of Mir Sadiq, in perpetuating a new era of colonization.

Pakistan was the most backward area of South Asia in 1947–today it equals or exceeds India in every human endeavor. In any area that Bharat is better than Pakistan–it is only marginally so.
Pakistan has maintained an average growth of 6%-8% over the past sixty years, every year. The past two years were to have 5% growth but the floods have cut it down to 2.5%. This too shall pass, and by next year the 6% pattern will be maintained. It is pedagogical to note that Bharat has attained 7% growth rate only in the past decade and think that it has reached nirvana.
Bharat was infested with what was derisively called the “Hindu Growth Rate” for fifty of its sixty years of existence–the last decade not withstanding. Rising tides lift all boats–the last decade was a colossal anomaly buoyed by Western obsessions of outsourcing. Ohio has banned outsourcing. This is the trend that is depictive of what is in the future. http://www.prb.org/Countries/Pakistan.aspx

450 million Dalits, Untouchables, Scheduled classes and Tribals are disenfranchised in Bharat fighting for the right to be considered human. 150 million marginalized Muslims are seething with anger.
The rumbling is not a noise, it is the crystal sound of an imminent revolution that will wash away injustice and inequity in “Shining India”.

If you put your ear to the ground, you will hear a rumbling–its the Maoists, the Leftists, the Communists, the Dalits, the Kashmiris, and Seven Sisters of Assam preparing for a new revolution on the land of the Ganges. 40% of Bharat is in the hands of the Naxals–a no go area for the Indian establishment. The Naxals promise to take of Delhi in a decade–it has been declared the most dangerous security threat to the state of Bharat.
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm

Let me quote verbatim from the man you trust, Noam Chomsky:

Chomsky: ” I’m not sure it has. These are very complex problems internal to Pakistan. For example, is the United States concerned about Baloochi terror inside Iran, based in Pakistan? It’s probably fostering it.”

“Pakistan has its own problems. The Baloochi areas are very antagonistic to central rule for good reasons. Pakistan also has complex relations with the Northwest Territories and the tribal areas. It’s held together in a very fragile fashion, Pakistan. The United States supports the central government and is claiming that it’s not acting as militantly as the United States would like to control its sub-populations. And if it tried to, the country might blow up. ”

So considering you trust him on his view point about India, I’d trust him on his viewpoint about Pakistan.

And all this GDP drama means nothing, and most economists agree that GDp doesn’t include most parameters that indicate well being of people in the economy and only indicates the economic throughput of the nation as a whole.

Internal security in India is quite well taken care of ,thank you. Please consider making sure your nation is not about to fall to pieces before you make an attempt to correct another nation.
Only time will tell how long pakistan is going to survive.

Maybe you should come down to india and see for yourself how well the SCs STs and OBCs are treated here in India. You are brainwashed.

And thanks for more plagiarism. It was interesting talking to you Mr. Akbar Naveez.
Thanks and regards.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 26, 2010 at 2:57 pm

Rohith:

I agree with you a new system of measuring happiness. The Western way measures the number of toys–which is not a good way to measure human beings.

Good you got off your high horse of GDP and realized how small the GDP of Bharat is compared to small European countries. Divided by 1.3 billion the stark numbers show abominable levels of penury in Bharat.

What Noam Chomsky said is correct–you Sir submitted a section of his quote, which is disingenuous and dishonest to say the least. He was talking about the evils of US imperialism, and used Pakistan as an example. His book “Failed States” describes the US as a failed state for failing to achieve its potential. He has also said a lot about the horrid condition of the Bharati press. His book hegemony or survival describes the CIA operations in detail. Even in this quote he describes the shameful CIA and Bharat (by extension) interference in Pakistan—Bharat spreading terror.

>>Internal security in India is quite well taken care of

Not sure which Bollywood studio (in Dubai) you live, in but the fact of the matter is 40% of Bharat is a “No-Go” area in the hands of the Naxalbaris. The Seven States of Assam are in total rebellion, Kashmir requires 800,000 Bharati soldiers to keep it under its control. 450 million Dalits, Untouchables, Tribals and lower caste Hindus are attempting to live as humans struggling not for human rights but the right to be accepted as human.

Violence Update in Bharat:
From Jan. 1989 to September 30, 2010
Total Killings * 93,471
Custodial Killings 6,975
Civilians Arrested 118,424
Structures Arsoned/Destroyed 105,877
Women Widowed 22,742
Children Orphaned 107,382
Women gang-raped / Molested 9,962
September 2010
Total Killings * 92
Men 80
Women 3
Children 9
Custodial Killings 1
Tortured/Critically Injured 1116
Civilians Arrested 364
Structures Arsoned/Destroyed 11
Disappeared 0
Women Widowed 8
Children Orphaned 16
Women gang-raped / Molested 16

Pakistan is a not just a physical space–it is an ideology of liberation from the hegemony of the Brahmans and the imperialism of Delhi. 40% of Bharat is in the hands of the Naxals. Assam, the seven sisters and Kashmir are in open revolt. More and more parts of Bharat now seek liberation to form their own Pakistans. The 450 million Dalits, Untouchables, Scheduled Classes and Tribals will liberate themselves in what Dr. Kancha Ilaiah calls “Post-Hindu India”. You derisively call it a nation of converts. Pakistanis take pride in being Muslim. Pakistan has shown the way.. Bharati “progress” is an anomaly based on forced “outsourcing” which occurred during the Bush Administration. Ohio has already banned outsourcing–which is prescient foreteller of trends to come. As soon as the US elections near, outsourcing will be made part of history–essentially seriously impacting Bharati growth.

In the aftermath of the flood of Biblical proportions, Newsweek this week redefined Pakistan “AS THE BRAVEST NATION ON EARTH”.

Pakistanis certainly are the most resilient ones on this planet.
Rohith Shenoy says:

November 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Happy for you that you are content in your clam shell. Hope someday you will realize how you were living in a lie. :)

All the best.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm

I have been to Bharat twice—The first thing that strikes me the wall of penury that hits you. Noting prepares you for the the level of poverty visible to the naked eye. Nothing compares to it on the planet. I have seen an army of beggars living on sidewalks. They live, die, procreate on the sidewalks just like their grandparents did. Gharibabad in Mumbai, or areas of Benaras, Lucknow, Kolkota all resemble refugee camps. ONly I discovered they are not beggars, they are the normal citizens of the great state of Bharat.

I saw rats, cows and monkeys roaming everywhere. In Mumbai the folks living on the sidewalks is double the people living in buildings. The driver of the taxi which I had hired told me that–to pay the rent of taxi and to feed his family he lives in the Taxi for several days at a time. I have seen the poor areas of Mumbai, there only a couple of toilets for the whole building and in the morning you see lines of people defecating everywhere. The condition of those old biuldings OH MY GOD!—we can write a book on it—the sad thing is that you know about this and try to hide it.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 26, 2010 at 3:31 pm

We have access to the world–we have seen the planet. We have been to Europe, African the Middle East. We have two masters, and more than 500 books in our personal library.

It must be one big clamshell!
AkhbarNavees says:

March 30, 2011 at 6:01 am

Maldives is Muslims for the same reason the the Bhddhist country of Bharat is now Hindu-conversion
alansaralhaq says:

March 30, 2011 at 8:07 pm

Cece,

Bhuddism came first – Fact
Vedics came afterewards “foriegners” – the Mahabhrata identifies an epic battle of the Vedic Aryans against the Bhuddist – agreed in very fanciful ott manner but still relevant.

The Vedic eliminated Bhuddism in South Asia – Fact as there was no Bhuddism when the Muslim came because as you keep ramming down our throats our Muslim forefathers fought Hindus.

There are no Vedica remains in what is Pakistan likie they are in South Asia but there are Bhuddist. There are Bhuddist remains in South Asia (India) just as there is a vast history of ISlam in what is Pakistan today as there is in what is India today.

Bhuddist were wiped out by Hindus who did not manage to conquer and settle the Indus and the Muslims of the Indus eventually pushed the Hindus back to Hindh.

The aggressors were Vedic loving Hindus as they are today always dreaming of superiority hence why they aligned with the British to dispose Islamic Rule from South and West Asia.
Truth sayer says:

April 3, 2011 at 5:34 am

Iam very sorry to say,how foolish this piece of writing is.
Already,Aryan Invasion theory debunked toally by modern archeology and most reliable genetics.
This foolish writer create every assumption basing fake Arayn Invasion theory which itself disproved most convincingly.
In fact, Brahmans played very crucial roles to save the culture and religion of India during foreign rule and foreign invasion by braving their lives.This is the truth!
This essay is not telling the truth of history but telling the truth of of the hate of the writer against Brahmans.
AkhbarNavees says:

April 3, 2011 at 5:44 am

Not sure who debunked the Aryan migrations–was it your temple indoctrination?–if you had read the article–and if you had the capacity to read, you would have noticed that it has nothing to do with Aryans, and everything to do with the persecution of Buddhists who were massacred by marauding Brahmans–BTW: We used only Bharati sources for the quotes and references..
saurabh says:

August 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Haha

Dude you are talking about wolds oldest civilisation-2.5 crore year old. What are you-converted Hindu in past who was not able to defend his lady and honour.

On India what you saw. was Bihar now come and see.

Remember 4 th larget GDP in world
We taught Zero to world
Ask any foreigner about India -cultural roots
Atleast we have animals roaming- not like you people kill everything including humans

You people teach violence
Akhbar Navees says:

August 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm

OK–this is what we call true supreme el-primo temple indoctrination. Fun to read so we didn’t delete it. Saved it for posterity. Shows the illiteracy of the Bharati mind. It is exactly this mentality that keeps Bharat back.

He thinks that 2.5 corore years ago there was a civilization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He bud there was no civlization ont he planet 2.5 corore years ago…only hunter gatherers. Hinduism was sanctified and codified by the British. There was no Ashoka, it is a figment of the imagination of John Princep. Forget .25 corore—there was no sign of Hinduism in the Indus Valley either..no Arjun, no Laskhmi, no Hanuman, no Ganish….all those came alter, much much much later.

Of course ice melted 6000 years ago–before that there was ice everywhere–known in science as the “ice age”.

4th largest GDP divided by 1.3 billion ends up into PER CAPITA of less than $1000 and lower than Sub-Saharan Africa. Of course they don’t teach you math anymore!!

Zero came from Mesopotamia….

Ask any foreigner–and he will think of Slumdog India.

Brhamansim decimated Buddhism, eliminated Jainism–the most violent of all religions on the planet
Abdallah Jan says:

August 8, 2011 at 2:15 am

@ Akhbar Navees Please do write about your experience in India. I would love to read it. Thank You.

Assalamu-Elekum
Akhbar Navees says:

August 13, 2011 at 2:49 pm

I have been to Bharat twice—The first thing that strikes me the wall of penury that hits you. Noting prepares you for the the level of poverty visible to the naked eye. Nothing compares to it on the planet. I have seen an army of beggars living on sidewalks. They live, die, procreate on the sidewalks just like their grandparents did. Gharibabad in Mumbai, or areas of Benaras, Lucknow, Kolkota all resemble refugee camps. ONly I discovered they are not beggars, they are the normal citizens of the great state of Bharat.

I saw rats, cows and monkeys roaming everywhere. In Mumbai the folks living on the sidewalks is double the people living in buildings. The driver of the taxi which I had hired told me that–to pay the rent of taxi and to feed his family he lives in the Taxi for several days at a time. I have seen the poor areas of Mumbai, there only a couple of toilets for the whole building and in the morning you see lines of people defecating everywhere. The condition of those old biuldings OH MY GOD!—we can write a book on it—the sad thing is that you know about this and try to hide it.

Scratch any Bharati and the true self come out!
Let us review some facts that were not indoctrinated in your temple schooling.
Bharatis decimated and destroyed Buddhism and Jainism in Bharat.
The Union of Bharati states is made up of a conglomeration of about 560 states and has never been a unitary body ever.
In the 12th century the marauding hordes of Bharatis was thrown out of Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam etc. etc. They were trying to reach Kanniyakumari and bring it under its control.
Let us look at other attempts at expanding its borders to Kanniyakumari.
Bharat tried to control Pakistan in 1947 and lost.
In 1962 it tried to wrest control of Tibet from China and had its derrière whipped.

Bhrat tried to control Bangladesh in 1971 and was expelled from Bangladesh on August 14th 1975.
Bharat also tried to control Lanka and Maldives and Nepal and those ventures were a colossal failure.
Bharat was evicted out of Afghanistan in the 90s.

In 2001, Bharat tried to array a million armed men to intimidate Pakistan and failed miserably.
In 2009 Bharat wanted to attack Pakistan and was informed by the Bhrati Armed forces that this was an undoable task. The decision was made in the light of the 300 nuclear armed missiles facing Bharat.
Mrs.Thilaka Randeni says:

August 17, 2011 at 8:49 am

What about the famous Buddhist University in Nalanda? Did’t Muslims kill thousands of Buddhist monks and put it in the fire? Do you know how many books you had burned?
I know Indonisea, Malaysia and all these countries were Buddhist countries at one time untill you destroy them.
What about the famous Barmians statues in Afganistan? Actually we Buddhist people never come to worship them. They were not belonged to us. It belonged to the civilization of man kind. It is a shame of you to act like this. Don’t you believe that Almighty God created every kind of human beings,animals nature and the world? So is it not a challenge to him kill one another and destroying the creations the GOD made?
As Buddhist we don’t believe in Almighty God. And as South Asian countries please behave well. Can’t you remember that America came to your place to capture Bin Larden without your knowledge?
We have to get together. I am from Sri Lanka.
Akhbar Navees says:

August 17, 2011 at 9:34 pm

Actually it was Brahmanism that destroyed Buddhism in the place of its birth

http://rupeenews.com/?p=1109

Many wonder why Buddhism disappeared from the Subcontinent but thrives in China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and in Sri Lanka. Many Hindus claim that Buddha was a Hindu God. Of course Buddhists in China, Thailand and other countries and in India do not accept that doctrine. In fact Buddhism was hounded out of its birthplace.

Various theories have been put forward which seek to explain the tragic eclipse of Buddhism from India. According to one view, corruption in the Buddhist sangha or priesthood precipitated Buddhism’s ultimate decline. While it is true that with time the Buddhist priests became increasingly lax in the observance of religious rules, corruption alone cannot explain the death of Buddhism. After all, Buddhism was replaced by an even more corrupt Brahminism. Another theory is that Buddhism disappeared from India in the wake of the Arab and Turkish invasions in which many Buddhists were said to have been killed. However, this theory, too, seems not to be convincing as a complete explanation of the extinction of Buddhism in India .

After all, in places such as Bengal and Sind, which were ruled by Brahminical dynasties but had Buddhist majorities, Buddhists are said to have welcomed the Muslims as saviours who had freed them from the tyranny of ‘upper’ caste rule. This explains why most of the ‘lower-caste’ people in Eastern Bengal and Sind embraced Islam. Few, if any, among the ‘upper’ castes of these regions did the same.

Since Buddhism was replaced by triumphant Brahminism, the eclipse of Buddhism in India was obviously primarily a result of the Brahminical revival. The Buddha was a true revolutionaryâ€”and his crusade against Brahminical supremacy won him his most ardent followers from among the oppressed castes. The Buddha challenged the divinity of the Vedas, the bedrock of Brahminism. He held that all men are equal and that the caste system or varnashramadharma, to which the Vedas and Other Brah’minical’ books had given religious sanction, was completely false. Thus, in the Anguttara Nikaya, the Buddha is said to have exhorted the Bhikkus, saying, Just, O brethren, as the great rivers, when they have emptied themselves into the Great Ocean, lose their different names and are known as the Great Ocean Just so, O brethren, do the four varnasâ “Kshatriya, Brahmin, Vaishya and Sudraâ”when they begin to follow the doctrine and discipline propounded by the Tathagata [i.e. the Buddha], renounce the different names of caste and rank and become the members of one and the same society.

Coming to the death of Buddhism in India, yes it is still shrouded in mystery. Ramayana and Mahabharata, in all probability, were created much after Bhuddha’s advent. Though, Bhagwat Geeta has lot of great teachings that one can imbibe in oneself for liberation, it is difficult to digest that God created the four varnas. These things were deliberately written to brainwash people to the Hindu fold as Brahmins were losing hold.

… I have recently come across a book “Volga se Ganga” by Rahul Sankrityayan ane emininent scholer which describes the animosity of Brahmins towards Bhuddhists and the cunningness of Brahmins. There is a mention that either Pushyamitra or Agnimitra of Sunga dynasty only is described as Rama in Ramayana by Valmiki and similarly, Mahakavi Kalidasa had created Kumara Sambava in praise of Kumara Gupta (son of Chandra Gupta Vikramaditya) wherin the hero is described as Shankar’s kumar, the karthikeya. From this we find that these epcis and fables were written in praise of some kings who were given divine status, the later generations might have blindly followed the rituals thus rendering the origin in oblivion

The sword of Brahamanism was not used exclusively for the Buddhists, Jains and darker skinned Untouchables suffered too. Not satisfied by eliminating Buddhism on the continental Subcontinent today the same sword of Hinduvata Brahmanism continues to spread carnage to the Sinhalese Buddhists in Sri Lanka, the Sikkimese Buddhist, and the Bhutanese Buddhists. Brahman’s also chased the Buddhists in Southeast Asia. Campuchia, Laos and Vietnam are full of carcasses the carnage that was exported to Souteast Asia. Millions of Buddhists ran from the Subcontinent to Burma, and even to China, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.
Akhbar Navees says:

August 17, 2011 at 9:35 pm

The is instigating an uprisiing in Bharat–enjoy!
Dr abdul jamil khan says:

August 19, 2011 at 11:18 am

BUDDHHA , an EGYPTIAN MONK.
As india, had imported its pple from africa and civilization from mideast–egypt/iraq, brahmanism and buddism too are impports; Read Iraqi king SARGON’s story copied by KRISKNA’myth writters ( my hindi/urdu book).
Buddha, as recorded by prof Mercer cook of USA , comes off egypt. In 5th century BC, CAMBYSES, the persian king had captured egypt,looted and brought 1000s of masons to build his PERSPOLIS , in Iran. a copy of egyptian architecture. Many monks too came and Buddhha was perhaps among them as mentioned by Dr cook. Cambyses army had lots of india solders too.
Must recall, egytian religion ( ~ 3000 BC)is the oldest recorded,had all those, moral teachings, human rights , kindness, nonviolece etc those one reads on Asoka’s pillars–280BC ( copy of mideast–read Romilla Thaper). Buddhist religion and Buddha’s life as written is british creation and brand new after 1800 AD.Asokan pillars dont mention Buddha at all nor Ashoka’s name. So legend/myths crowd buddism as all others. SARGONs’ and Hamurabi’s inscription provides ( 2800 BC-1800 BC) you with almost every thing that one can find in so called in ” biblical an indian ” systems and also even chinese.
Dr abdul jamil khan says:

August 23, 2011 at 6:35 am

Dear Thilaka ji,
Please teach us some buddism. If there is no Almighty God, how do you manage the ” after death acountability’ based on Karma of this life. Who determins your next birth and rebirths cycles ?; What is Nirvana then ? Is ‘nt that one’s soul merges into Almighty’s soul,the ultimate SOURCE of all souls. What is the status of the MONK/ bhikshu visa-viz a common man. Does he have some higher power or spiritual status. What happens when he dies ? Does he get Nirvana, right away or faster than the laity ?
Will appreciate your in puts ;thanks.
superthinker says:

November 1, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Dr abdul jamil khan

At least Buddisham has original ideas. what about Islam. Islam copied many concepts from Judisam. It converted all prophets which mentioned in bible into Islam names.

YOU cannot answer for who destroy Nalenda University. The great Mohamammed bin bhakityar who is the islam invader demolishsed Nalenda university.

Afganistan is once upon time full of buddists and also kagzistan also buddists. Then brahmins goes there and destroy buddhists.

Iran is full of fire worshipping people. there also Brahmins went and destroy that religion.

Ha ha aha hahah
superthinker says:

November 1, 2011 at 1:21 pm

It is true. All religions had some blood pages in their respective history. Hindusiam is not exception for that. some Buddhist viharas might be converted to hindu temples. For that reason , we cannot claim all buddhist viharas converted to temples.
Even chirstainty had also many blood pages in her history.but only one religon in world is full of blood pages ie Islam. which religion spilts world into two world Dar-ul Islam(Islam where dominates) and dar-ul Harb(Islam where struggle) is only Islam. Except Islam, all other religions only teaches mercy,commpassion especially buddisham,
Buddha is number one person who is compassion towards whole mankind.
superthinker says:

November 1, 2011 at 1:53 pm

1. Buddhism in Japan does not have state sponsorship since the mid 19th century and it still flourishes.

2. Most of the Buddhist teachers in India were Brahmins and so were some of the closest disciples of Buddha. Most of the great Buddhist teachers who taught at Nalanda were Brahmins. To say that a “Brahmin” destroyed Buddhism in India is hence non-sense. In Kashmir Shaivas and Buddhists shared common places of worship as they still do in Nepal.

3. The Brahmin people mention as destroyer of Buddhism is supposed to be Adi Shankara who was accused by other Vedantic philosophers of being a “crypto Buddhist” himself. The decline of Buddhism in India has nothing to do with Brahmins but rather with the fact that Bhakti movement had taken over in India whereas Indian Buddhism did not leave much space for Bhakti.

4. There never was a Buddhist empire in India. Even Ashoka’s empire can not be called Buddhist as his concept of dharma was universal and not restricted to Buddhist definitions.

5. Buddhism and Brahmanic practice have always co-existed and “Brahmanism” was NOT overshadowed by Buddhism. Buddhist kings still performed Brahmanic marriages ceremonies, havan sacrifices etc. And the most renowned Buddhist scholars were Brahmins. The king of Thailand, a Buddhist king, is still crowned by Brahmins!!! Coronation cannot take place without Brahmins!!!!

6. People talk of Brahmins as an organized united group which they simply aren’t.

7. Some romantic ideas about Buddhism are just simply ridiculous. Hinayana Buddhism is probably one of the most elitist religions in India as only male monks can achieve nirvana. The Buddha himself did not wich to have nuns in his order until his disciples convinced him and he said: The era of the Buddhist Dharma will now be reduced by half because of the presence of women.

8. The language used by Buddha was still by popular standards extremely elitist and the metaphysical parts of the Tipitakka cannot be understood without a strong knowledge of Sanskrit and philosophical terminology. Read Budhagosa’s or Nagarjuna’s writings and you’ll see for yourself.

9. Buddhism put a clear hierarchy that stipulates that men are superior to women and that monks are superior to lay people whose only function is to serve the monks.

10. Caste allegiance is eliminated by initiation into the monastic order but most hagiographies of famous Buddhist saints will mention their caste and say how important it was for them to be born either as kshatriyas or Brahmins.

11. Bhakti also existed in Mahayana and vajrayana Buddhism through the notion of the Adi Buddha, the yidams and the Bodhisattvas. The names of these Bodhisattvas coincided with those of divinities like Krishna or Shiva. Avalokitshvara is a bodhisattva but is also a form of Shiva. Buddhists and non-Buddhists shared the same places of worship in Bengal, Nepal and Kashmir. The notion of the Adi Buddha, created by Buddhist philosophers was identical to that of Paramatman and the idea of having this concept was more appealing than the metaphysical concepts of Nagarjuna.

Brahmins have been on both sides and worked for both sides. So, dalit arguments are simply not credible enough
Akhbar Navees says:

November 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm

What was the Kushan empire—? It was Buddhist
Akhbar Navees says:

November 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm

Adam, Moses and Abraham were Muslims.

It always surprises me that HIndus and Indian lack such basic knowledge about Islam
Dr abdul jamil khan says:

November 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Dear Superficial thinker;
Must learn some basics abt religions. Qoran/Islam, has never claimed that is “a new religion”.Thus, islam’s pristine message was against, polytheism,Racism/castism,priestcraft/politics etc and all the corruption you still find in Hinduism, judeo-chritianity.
Thus purest hinduism as Alberuni had said is no different than qoranic message.
Nalanda/Bhakhtiar khilji and india’s muslim rule is ” political” issue and nothing to do with Qoranic islam.
Waqqas says:

November 1, 2011 at 10:49 pm

@ superthinker of inverted kind: West has done a good job of keeping you ignorant as ignorance is power that they capitalize on. Had you any individual intellectual capabilities you would have done a research or at-least quoted a verse of Qura,n to back your garbage statement:>>>

>>”which religion spilts world into two world Dar-ul Islam(Islam where dominates) and dar-ul Harb(Islam where struggle) is only Islam. Except Islam, all other religions only teaches mercy,commpassion especially buddisham”>>

The above quoted narrative makes you a LIAR and super-ignorant.

The notions of “houses” or “divisions” of the world in Islam such as Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb does not appear in the Qur’an or the Hadith. This geo-political house of divisions was more acutely framed by another early Islamic scholar, Ibn Taymiyyah, who issued a treatise and a religious edict on the subject in response to the Mongol invasions of Muslim lands during the 13th and 14th centuries.

Contemporary Islamic scholars have pointed out the inapplicability of this early philosophical division of the world given its lack of scriptural backing and its reflection of an early Muslim response to geo-political realities that simply do not exist today in a globalized world of international law.

Muslim scholars maintain and believe that the labeling of a country or place as being a part of Dar al-Islam revolves around the question of religious security. This means that if a Muslim practices Islam freely in his place of abode despite that the place happens to be secular or un-Islamic, then he will be considered as living in the Dar al-Islam.

Dar al-Islam is also known and referred to as Dar al-Salam, or house/abode of Peace. The term appears in the Koran in 10.25 an 6.127 as a name of Paradise.

Dar al-Harb “house of war”; also referred to as Dar al-Garb “house of the West” in later Ottoman sources; a person from “Dar al-Harb” is a “harbi” is a term classically referring to those countries where the Muslim law is not in force, in the matter of worship and the protection of the faithful and Dhimmis. Territories that do have a treaty of nonaggression or peace with Muslims are called dar al-ahd or dar al-sulh.

Dar al-Amn (“house of safety”) is a term proposed to describe the status of Muslims either in the West or other non-Muslim societies. The term dar al-Amn may be used in conjunction with, or in opposition to, the older terms dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb, from which it is derived. This region usually refers to countries where Muslims have the right to practice their religion. Many countries with Muslim minorities have been declared as Dar al-Amn at different points in time. For example, India has been declared as Dar al-Amn.

The above narratives proves you are a LIAR.

Judeo / Christians are the most violent on the face of earth. Greed of worldly wealth have made them the most treacherous and blood thirsty. I billion Indians massacred by the British Raj (700 Million Hindus and 300 Million Muslims). 150 Million native American massacred by Anglo Christians. 100 Million Unitarian Christians massacred by Roman Catholic Church. 40 Million Christians and 20 Million Muslims massacred by Jewish lead leaders in Soviet Russia. The Christians went around the world massacring indigenous people to occupy land for its resources. This genocide has no end, as, even now, they are on same war path to occupy Muslim land for its resources under false pretense. This they do it because their Bible encourages them so. Bible teaches murder, loot, plunder, rape, incest and bashing babies against the rocks. Do you want me to quote you Biblical verses?..

As far as Buddhism is concerned, they have killed themselves by fighting each other. Do you need me to quote you instances of in-fight among Japanese or Chinese or Korean or Thai Buddhist?
had they been united no Brahmins would have dared to extinguish them anywhere, India included.

Next time you allege Islam in any wise, quote a verse from Qura’n which you would be never able to do so unless you copy and paste from Islamophobic websites having no individual intellect of your own, as you have done in favor of Buddhism, or stand labelled as a L I A R.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 12:41 am

Who said Adam,Moses and Abraham were Muslims. Only Muslims you people claim there are Muslims. It is like that some sect of Hindus claimed that Buddha is avatar of Vishnu.but, nobody accept it. Even Buddha simply said that He is just human being(Enlighted one)

Adam, Moses and Abraham all names appeared in Bible.Always Mohammed claimed that He came the way of Adam,Moses and Jesus.
But,in bible, you cannot show strong proof of Mohammed.This theory already clearly refuted by many christian scholars.
Then,you all people begin to say that Bible is corrupted.Then why you try to show proof of Mohammed from Bible.
If God protects kuron from corruption then why not the same God save Bible from corruption.
Chirstains totally accepted full old Testmentment as it is.
Also,they frankly accepted that Chirstianty is off-shoot of Judisam.But, you people changed many stories in old Testment and added in kur-on. I can give lot of evidence.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 12:51 am

Editor,

why you deleted my comments. you have afraid by denying to post my comments becuase it is irrefutable.
Then, we conclude that you just propagate false ideas and hatting brahamins for some hidden purpose
Akhbar Navees says:

November 2, 2011 at 12:52 am

So–1.3 billion claim that this is what they believe in–you can question it, but who cares what you say

WHich Old Testament–there are many versions….
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 1:09 am

There are 1.80 billion people said man.

Then , you show me all versions of old Testment and whether your claim is in all versions.

You people(Dr abdul jamil khan) not all muslims just said Buddha is Egypt prophet in this same column. All are known he came from India.
This in one proof that your people have lack of knowledge about other religons
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 1:16 am

some one billon people(hindus) believes that Buddha is avatar of Vishnu. But ,fact that Buddha is not avatar of vishnu.Buddhists never said buddha is not avatar and he is just human being.
If one Billion people believe something true then it became true.No.
If Moses, Jesus are muslims. Then it is also accepted by chirstians and Jews. No Jews or chirstains accept it.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 1:29 am

@DR.Abdul jamil Khan

Now,you turned Nalanda event was politcal event.But,Brahmins destroyed Buddhist viharas is totally religious movement.Why not it also politcal movement.

Then , nowadays Islam is free of corruption.Even from 7th century,corruption began in Islam.We cannot blame Islam.
But all religious movements like that.

Beginning, all religious movements are clean also have great goals.But gradually, rules and ethics diminshing.

Solution depends upon individual person.
Hijazi says:

November 2, 2011 at 3:57 am

@Super Thinker,

Songs of Solomon Chapter 5, Verse 16th — Name of Muhammad is mentioned.

Now get back to your useless rant and hopelessly watch Islam as fastest growing religion in the world.
Alansaralhaq says:

November 2, 2011 at 5:11 am

SuperThinker (One can only guess where you hail from by the choice of your pseudonymn).

In your infinite wisdom what religion do you attribute to Prophet Ibrahim (AS) he (pbuh) was neither A Jew nor did he subscribe to Judaism and neither was he a Christian a follower of the Roman pagan invention of Christ the God.

What was his faith?
What was his message?
What was his belief?

He did not worship idols.
He worshipped the benevolent creator of the universer and the world in which we live in.
His covenant with God is identified through the covenant of the flesh.

There is only one faith and one alone that came from God that has been interpreted in many a different ways. There is only one faith that identifies itself with The One True God, it is not identified to a specific community nor to a specific messenger of God. It takes the entirety of the messages sent to all messengers (pbut) and subscribes a code to live by. No faith has this attribute none what so ever. The message of the One True God began with Adam (pbuh) but organised monotheism began with Sayyidina Ibrahim (pbuh) but the message was perfected through the final testament Al Qu’ran and in this perfected message Allah Azuwajjal has said it will be protected. We know there are many versions and interpretations as well as additions to the Jewish religion as there is much to the Christian religion. Qu’ran remains intact as it was 1400 years and it will remain intact another 1000 years and this itself is a miracle that needs to be reflected on.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 6:03 am

you are not still answer why you seek proof from Bible and all other scripts(corrupted as you claim).

If Bible had many versions. Let it be.In all versions, any strong proof of Mohammed.

Even Bible, it is said in old Testment, no extra word add or any word deleted.

Why Mohammed was last prophet.After Mohammed, no messengers not sent by God.For eg Guru Nanak,Ramakirshna prahahama in India. Guru Nanak is founder of sikh religion.But he never stress any mode of force or violence while preaching his religion.That’s why it not spread for away from India.

Donot say Guru Nanak got ideas from Islam then the same allegation is fit for Islam also.

GOD is unique.ALL are accept it. But problem is you are stick to Mohammed only.

If you allege chirstians are based upon Roman pagan, then chirstians allege you are based upon Arab pagan.
That’s all.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 6:08 am

chirstians are also seek proof of Jesus from old Testment.But, they never say old testment is corrupted.But they accept whole as it is.

But, you people claim Jesus and Moses are Muslims.At the same time also said bible is corrupted.

If your claim that we come the way of Adam,Abrahim, Moses and Jesus, you have to accept Bible as it is.
super thinker says:

November 2, 2011 at 6:33 am

This samething also for chirstainty.

They say the only salvation thro Jesus.Whether Jesus is broker between GOD and mankind.

They said because Jesus only person bears sin of mankind. He died for mankind. So many great people died for man kind.

Hence,I conclude that accept GOD is one and not stick any personality.

Hereafter , I will make no comments.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 2, 2011 at 10:14 am

The Christians do NOT accept the Old Testament, prohibition of pork etc as defined int he Old Testament

Which Bible should be accepted “as it is”–there are hundreds–many different version say many different things. Even the King James Version has FOUR versions in it–John, Luke, Paul and Mathew. All four contradict each other.

Before the Council of Nicel in 328 AD, there were thousands of Bibles–now called the Gnostic Bibles, Madeline, Barnabus etc.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 2, 2011 at 10:16 am

Listen–finding Prophet Muhammad in another scripture is NOT an article of faith on which the pillars of Islam stand on.

Islam spread and is spreading not because of in any indication that the prophet Muhammad would come -as described in any other scripture.

Islam stands on its own merit and its philosophy.

Islam does not need vindication or validation from any other region.

The findings of Ahmed Deedat and Zakri Naik are factoids–nothing to do with the religion of Islam. They are simply fun facts–nothing more nothing less.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 2, 2011 at 10:23 am

Hinduism is a very recent phenomenon. There is nothing in common between the worshippers of Shiva, and those who worship Arjun. The Arya have their own beliefs.

By which calculation did you come up with the claim that there are 1 billion Hindus on the planet?–that is the total population of Bharat–you mean ot say that Dalits and Untouchables are also Hindu? Most certainly not, their untouchable status confirms that they are not Hindu.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 2, 2011 at 10:25 am

As described above–whether the prophet Muhammad is described in any Bible or not, it a small irrelevant fact. It is not an article of faith on which Islam is based on

It is “interesting”–thats all

So dont get your *** in a wad over it.
Alansaralhaq says:

November 2, 2011 at 5:42 pm

Superthinker,

Neither was prophet Jesus (pbuh) nor prophet Moses (pbuh) named in scriptures before their arrival but their attributes and characteristics were revealed as was their destiny.

Similarly their is reference to Sayyidina Muhammad (SAW);

Book of John Chapter 1 verse 21 – who do they refer to as “That Prophet”.
In The Book of Isaiah the unlettered prophet who will speak the word of God, a prophet who is not learned, in Deutronomy it referes to the brothers of the Israelites ( Bani Israel ) referring to The Ishmaelites ( Bani Ismail ) Even by Jesus if you care to read the Aramaic Bible it refers to the praised one not a holy spirit and names Muhammad (SAW). like Prophet Jesus (pbuh), Sayyidina Muhammad (SAW) also had a title The Praised One. The very meaning of Muhammad is Praised one as is his (pbuh) second name Ahmad, Mentioned in the Bible and Songs of Soloman.

Now onto authenticity of the Bible, we denounce it is a Revelation by this we mean the “literal nchanged word of God”. At the council Nicea the fate of the Unitarians The Israelites who followed The Messiah, The Messenger was sealed, their books burnt and they themselves hunted down and massacred by the Trinitarians. The Trinitarians were accepted at the Council Nicea and thus gacve the birth of a new religion Christianity with a divine Jesus as opposed to The Messenger Jesus (pbuh). The Gospel according to four unknown authors was given precedence and anything that conformed to the Unitarian (Israelite) belief was burnt or locked away. Never the less there remains much wisdom in the Bible, it may well not be The Injeel that came to the word of God Sayyidina Easa (AS) but the Gospel has been inspired from it and from the stories found there in.

The faith of Abraham (pbuh) was niether Christianity and neither Judaism let us look at his belief;

1) He (pbuh) denounced idol worship
2) He proclaimed There is but One True God
3) He established the Covenant of Flesh and all who
belonged to his household, every man, woman, child
and servant.
4) His son Ismail (pbuh) is the father of Arabs, left in
the wilderness of Bakkah (Makkah). from among his
children his son Kedar was well known and from among
the sons of Kedar came Muhammad (pbuh). In the Bible
it also speaks of the princes of Kedar (sons of Kedar)
and a new song (new language of scripture) and the
wilderness of Paran (Arabia). Ismail (pbuh) was
promised that his children will become a great nation
and have been blessed. This blessing is Muhammad
(SAW) and the nation of Islam.

There is only one religion that follows what began with Sayyidina Abraham and all the prophets after him (pbut) and this is Islam. One thing Islam can not be accused of and that is paganism. Offcourse the critics and haters of Islam fixated with demonising and defaming it will associate all kinds of wrongs with it.

“Islam is pure monotheism”.
Alansaralhaq says:

November 2, 2011 at 6:06 pm

Superthinker,

so that you are made aware, as it is all evident you speak with absolute limited understanding of Islam. Yet you have the audacity to question it.

But so that you know…

Dar Ul Islam means the Zone of Peace because it is where the believers belong and Islam prevails. Islam is peace through acknowledging and knowing your creator and understanding your place in the universe. Dar ul Salam and Dar Ul Islam means the very same thing. Should unbelief and all those who seek the destruction of the true faith prevail, it turns into Dar Ul Gharb Zone of darkness which is rightly translated as a zone of conflict because that is what precipitates.

Now onto the interesting part.

The first Dar Ul Salam is a very famous place known as Jerusalem the Anglocised name. Its semitic name in Aramaic
(language of Sayyidina Jesus p.b.u.h) and in the semitic language Hebrew (language of The “true” Israelites) is pronounced Yar Ul Shalom and in Arabic it is Dar Ul Salam or Dar UL Islam.

Arabs and Muslims do not refer to Jerusalem as Dar Ul Salam but Al Quds maybe you should take up your contention with The Europeans and the Jews who refer to Al Quds (Islamic name for Jerusalem) as Jerusalem an anglocised name for Dar Ul Islam or Dar Ul Salam. Since Jerusalem has been ruthlessly and brutally taken away and it can be seen as Dar Ul Gharb a place of darkness, despair, misery and misfortune at the hands of the Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews. Maybe we should all work to return it to becoming the Zone of Peace so it can earn its true name Yar Ul Shalom (Jerusalem) in Aramaic, Hebrew and Dar Ul Salam /Dar Ul Islam in Arabic.

I hope your lack of understanding is now filled with some perspective. Now if you choose to misquote and take Arabic meanings out of context or follow sheeply the anti Islamic websites you clearly troll – I cannot help you.

Good day.
super thinker says:

November 3, 2011 at 4:48 am

Really Jerusaleem is city of muslims? before arrival of muslims ,
Jews lived in this city for 2000 years. how can u claim it brutally taken away by them.Any logic begin it.

It shows not me your lock of understanding of History.
super thinker says:

November 3, 2011 at 5:11 am

you give some definations for Dar-ul Harb and Dar-ul Islam.

But, No other religion spilt like the world. Hindu flavourishing , chirstinity is in dark.
Then, it is duty of every Muslim launch Jihad in Dar-ul Harb.
In India, some sects of muslims shouted that they want to convert India into Dar-ul Islam and even the same voice came in also United states.What is the meaning. You are agree or not.

If we argue and argue , arguements goes endless.I can give more evidence like you. Let’s time decide the matter.
super thinker says:

November 3, 2011 at 5:38 am

HI Waqqqas,

I have no individual intellect. Let it be. You are very brillent.then How can you say Buddists killed themselves. Even Muslims fought themselves(shias, Sunnais).

I ask one question British when they killed 700 million Hindus.Actually Muslim Invaders killed 700 million Hindus. then you are liar. Britishers looted India.I am not favourite of Bible.
But you changed fact that Britishers killed 700 million Hindus. It it really unbearable.

Europeans killed 6 millions in America.what is the problem that they agreed frankly.
you are not accepting truth that Islam invaders killed 700 million Hindus,
super thinker says:

November 3, 2011 at 5:59 am

Chirtians not accept old Testment.Why old testment is in bible.

John,Luke, paul and Mathew are goshpels of Bible.christians never said their book is full of accuracy. They said it is only inspiration of God words.

No religons had escape from contradictins
super thinker says:

November 3, 2011 at 6:26 am

I thought I had not make no comment.But somebody, indulges in personal attack(say you are liar), again come to picutre.

If I hurt feeling of somebody, I am really apologize for that.

This is core point.
All religions are corrupted. No religion is superior than other religon. That’s what my point. All religions told God is only.

We take only core concept of all religions ie God is one and live in harmony.
Dr abdul jamil khan says:

November 3, 2011 at 10:08 am

Dear Superthinker,
THE best way to learn is from your critics, who can be “MOST OBJECTIVE”; Summarized in a urdu couplet:
Sun to sahih jahaN meiN hai tera fasana kya
Dunya samajh rahi hai tujhey gha-ai-baana kya
India’s first and foremost historian ( a must read ), ALBERUNI ( 10th cent) said abt indians:
” there is no country other than theirs , no religion other than their and no science other than theirs;Most deluded of all nations”. This is quoted by Romilla thaper as ” correct assessment”. I have/had 100s of hindu friends highly educated, univ profeessors, politicians, many scientists/engg/doctorsin abt 70 yrs in india-pak-USA-UK–all hindus. I notice that Alberuni was correct with few exceptions.
MUST know that India is a hybrid of civilization from midseast ( brought by mideast farmers)and east asian brought by RICE Farmwers some 5000-10000 yrs ago–a process that went on via invaders untill muslim invaders. IT is not original at all–accepted by scholars. Egyptian influence as a superpower had impacted right into iram and india ( read Mercer COOk–quoted in above); Buddha, history is pure guess work ( unsubstantiated). Archealogy proves that ASHOKA’s inscriptions are in Armaic alphabets in pak=afgh area.In Taxilla pakistan you find ASSYRIAN typs palaces, On indus seal you find ” GILGAMESH” a SUmerian mythical hero, Indus seal reaveal a GODDESS ” KIRI-ISHNA”, standing and giving birth, she is from Elamitic ancient Iran. THE word Kiri is sumerian-means do/create and Isha means life in armaic/arabic. Indian God Krishna’s name has this root.
The possibility, Buddha as egyptian priest is very strong-with no direct proof yet.Some of this stuff appears in my book ” urdu/hindi an artificial divide–african heritage– revealing that Sanskrit has contributed only 7 % words in HINDI/URDU;AND is script is derived from ancient Aramaic as are english/latin etc.
Read stuff, from adversaries; they are your best frineds.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 3, 2011 at 2:21 pm

Get your facts right Mr. The Old Testament is no “in” the Christian Bible, it is the Jewish Bible.

Old Testament is the Torah (Jews also call it the Jewish Bible). Some Jews include the Talmud in the Jewish Bible–others dont.

The New Testament is “Injeel” (Christians call it the Christian Bible).

The Catholic Bible is different

The Coptic Bible is different

There are differences between the Presbytarian, Baptist, Lutheran Bibles

The Book of Mormons is called the Mormon Bible–ad so on and so forth

There are hundreds of versions of the “Injeel” (Christian Bible)–

The “current” Christian Bible is made of up of “the books of John,Luke, Mathew and Mark”. This was decided upon in 328 in the Council of Nicea. However before the Council of Nicea the “Arians” were in the majority who were monothiest and opposed Trinity. Other Gospels at the time were the gospel fo Mary Magdelina, Gospel of Barnabas and many many others. Today they are called the Gnostic Bibles and not part of the “Protestant Bible”.

The Bible has changed!

QED
Akhbar Navees says:

November 3, 2011 at 8:30 pm

700 million Hindus? There arent even 700 million Hindus in Bharat today–!!
Akhbar Navees says:

November 3, 2011 at 8:32 pm

After all you are not such a great thinker–Darul Islam means the House of Peace as opposed to Darul harb–house of war
Akhbar Navees says:

November 3, 2011 at 8:33 pm

Inability to read is serous issue.

Another product of “Temple Indoctrination”–Adam, Moses and Abraham were all Muslims
Waqqas says:

November 3, 2011 at 9:34 pm

@ super thinker of inverted kind: When ever I write something I can back it up with historical fact that which you lack. If you read Buddhist progressive history in different nations you will find creation of different temples or school of thoughts that lead to wars. Here is one example of Japan;>>

“The demise of the Kamakura regime inaugurated a new era of internal strife and fighting in Japan, which was to last into the seventeenth century. It also signaled the end of the truly creative phase of Japanese Buddhism. A slide into stagnation occurred, which was to broadly last until the end of the nineteenth century. According to the twentieth century Zen writer D.T. Suzuki, after the Kamakura period “what followed was more or less the filling-in and working out of details.”

During the 200 hundred rule of British they killed 1 billion Indians (700 Million Hindus and 300 Million Muslims)
due Indian uprising that lead to wars, intentional starvation to kill Indians and spreading European disease as in case of Native Americans, where British imported stained winter clothing with Cholera disease and handed out to Native Americans to keep them warm. 100 Million died due to cholera and 50 Million were gunned down.

Muslims have been fighting each other for centuries, yet is the fastest growing religion on the face of the earth. This was not the issue. You lied about Muslims eradicating Buddhist versus Brahmins in India. Muslims are commanded to deliver the message only and not kill. One cannot give a message to a dead person. So the message is for live person and not dead person. They are ordered to destroy Idols but not the Temples.

Provide your proof of Muslim killing 700 Million Muslims in India, which you can not, thus you stand as L I A R.

An invading armies are only successful, when the inhabitants of the Country invaded are unhappy. Hindus were unhappy with their fiefdom Maharajas plus one such stupid Maharaja dishonored a Muslim woman and faced his doom.

The Demonic armies are on the retreat in Iraq and Afghanistan, due to inhabitants of the respective Countries putting resistance. If when Muslim invaders arrived in India, why did not the masses put up resistance? To the contrary, Hindus and Sikh were employed in the Muslim armies. Some of the Hindus were commanders of Muslim armies. Do you get it, void thinker?
Waqqas says:

November 3, 2011 at 9:43 pm

@ super thinker of inverted kind: Correction…” Provide your proof of Muslim killing 700 Million Muslims in India, which you can not, thus you stand as L I A R” is suppose to read ….>>

Provide your proof of Muslim killing 700 Million Hindus in India, which you can not, thus you stand as L I A R.
alansaralhaq says:

November 4, 2011 at 3:52 am

Do you have trouble reading.

I suggest you do a dna test of Palestinians and Ashkenazi Jews.

Who was Ismail and who was Issac?
Who was Abraham?
Who were Canaanite

The Romans had destroyed Yar Ul Shalom and the Unitarians masacred, the trinitarians turned their wrath on Israelites.

When Umar ibne Khattab (RA) defeated The Romans in Trans Jordan he entered Yar Ul Shalom (Hebrew and Aramaic) a rubbled baren ruin.
Jerusalem was rebuilt and the call was made to Jews and Christians to return thus it became worthy of the title Yar Ul Shalom (Jerusalem) in Arabic it means Dar Ul Salam or Islam. The people if the book lived side by side as brethren and Jerusalem flourished. Until the barbarians from the West came massacring Semiticand Eastern Christians, Jews and Muslims this was the beginning of the Crusades. Jerusalem once again became a place of conflict and darkness k.own as Dar Al Gharb but through Sala’h Udeen Ayubi (rh) Jerusalem once again became free and a place of peace where belief in The One True God prevailed and all the people of the book lived side by side. Many Crusades took place the larger one against a barbarian brutish force led by the King of Britain Richard TLH. Yar Ul Shalom, Dar Ul Salam once again became a city of peace until the riae of the most recent European onslaught and the rise of Zionism and occupation of Jerusalem ( Dar Ul Salam, Yar Ul Shalom ) has been occupied by Ashkenazi Jews look them up.

Islam is the perfection of the organised monotheist faith that began with Abraham (pbuh). I dont expect an ignorant Indian trolling not to understand who occupy, rape and massacre Kashmiris and through his ignorance and “lack of ” or willful denial to understand.
Alansaralhaq says:

November 4, 2011 at 4:03 am

Again I would subjectively read history without prejudice and you will see Islam united the then known world and European Imperualism that gave birth to Hinduism segregated people at many levels, race, skin cour, size of head nose etc etc and on religion.

Sure you can recall under Akbar Vedics built their larfest number if temples paid by Akbar abd the multi ethnic society and multi faith societies of Al Andalus and Uthmani empire needs to be reflected on.
muralidharan says:

December 10, 2011 at 9:19 am

I wonder If you guys have anything positive to think and write about. If only you guys would use the time and effort to do something more useful and creative than fomenting hate among people , this world would be a better place to live. Your time on this earth is very short. Forget the past and move on and try to make this world a better place to live. At the end of the day , does it really matter , what religion , you belonged to ? If religion does not live you live in harmony with other people , there is no place for that religion.What pleasure do you guys derive from religion bashing? Does it make you a better person or happier?
Do one good deed a day and think about it and feel good about it.
Akhbar Navees says:

December 15, 2011 at 11:11 am

If you had read the article or had the ability to read you would have noticed that we are not discussion religion–This is a discussion of the history of South Asia–not about religion

Now you can go back to spamming our site under another fake name
SHAH S. AHMED. says:

June 19, 2012 at 2:00 pm

ONCE, HINDU KILLED,KILLED AND TOTALLY ANIHILATE / ERAZED BUDDHISM
FROM INDIA / BHARAT VERSH. NOW,
BUDDHISTS / CHINA :-
NOW, CHINA IS AGAINST INDIA : -

WHAT GOES ARROUND,
THAT COMES AROUND.
BHUDDISTS ARE COMING TO INDIA FROM EAST, HIMACHA’PRADESH FROM NORTH EAST.
truth says:

October 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm

It takes thousands of years for a religion to spread through peace hence buddhism didnt spread into the low class indians because of its huge population and before it even appealed to the shivite dominant south indians it began cillapsing in north india due to integration of buddsism in vaishnavism in north india.dharmic religion is 100000 years older and will be the only surviving one after kali yuga.
truth says:

October 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm

Mihirakula was a hun who was at war with guptas check history
Akhbar Navees says:

October 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm

>.india.dharmic religion is 100000 years older and will be the only surviving one after kali yuga.

This is the temple indoctrination we are talking about.

I guess Ram was born 900,000 years ago in Ayodihya and 330 million people died during the Mahabharta wars, the earth stands on top of a bulls horn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now tell me–if the ace age melted in 6000BC how come there were human beings in “india”, a continent covered in ice. The ice only melted around 7000 BC in the hottest part of the area which was Mehargarh in Pakistan–thus began agriculture and civilizatoin. The Ganges was iced over and would not melt for another few thousand years.

Certainly the IVC was not Hindu in any sense of the word. They buried their dead, wrote right to left, ate beef, venerated the bull (not the cow), did not speak or write Sanskrit, wrote a photographic language, did now worship the Hindu pantheon of Agni, Arjun, Ganesh, Laxmi and others.

About Buddhism not spreading down?—-what does that mean? Actually Buddhism was all over Lanka and Afghanistan and also in Kashmir. Brahman brutality eliminated Buddhism from the place of its birth, and it survived in the periphery outside South Asia. In fact imperialist forces chased them in Laos, and Cambodia and tried to conquer Buddhist lands there!!!
Alansaralhaq says:

October 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Truth…

Where is the truth hidden in your conjecture and mythology…
You live in a facade by a facade…

I call it total boll$$Ks!!… and have absolutely little attention span when you gunga dins with your weird red dots confused between reality and mythology.

I really have not any time trying to appreciate the fallacy of your fantasy Hindhoooooos.

I will be honest today.. but while I hope peace prevails between Pak & India which is highly unlikley it will never change the fact that your religion disgusts me.

I would be so rude and crude to make derogatory remarks but what I will say to Hindus the fact I dont engage with you does not mean you have an argument it’s because frankly I cant be arsed.

Because it resonates .oooo1% on my I dont give a sh$$$t about your nonsense scale.
Alansaralhaq says:

October 2, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Truth…

Where is the truth hidden in your conjecture and mythology…
You live in a facade by a facade…

I call it total boll$$Ks!!… and have absolutely little attention span when you gunga dins with your weird red dots confused between reality and mythology.

I really have not any time trying to appreciate the fallacy of your fantasy Hindhoooooos.

I will be honest today.. but while I hope peace prevails between Pak & India which is highly unlikley it will never change the fact that your religion disgusts me.

I would not be so rude and crude to make derogatory remarks but what I will say to Hindus the fact I dont engage with you does not mean you have an argument it’s because frankly I cant be arsed.

Because it resonates .oooo1% on my I dont give a sh$$$t about your nonsense scale.
Raghavendran says:

October 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm

[abuse deleted] Buddhism is Born From Brahmin only,Buddha Was a Brahmin,If you are a true follower you must Know this…!.Buddha Lost his Identity & he go on searching What is the Life…!.He got vision For what is right & What is wrong…!.Buddha is a
Avatar of Lord vishnu (A Brahmin God)…!.A original Reason For Buddhism Goes on Extinction in India was….!.Fight Arises between Hindhu Gods Follower itself,Like Fight Between Followers of Lord shiva & Lord Vishnu,on that they Destroy Lord vishnu temple & lord shiva temple also…!.you know this…!.not only Buddhism,Many Hindhu Gods Where on That time,Due to Fight For which God is Best,Most of the temple Got Extinct,Later they accept it that God shiva & vishnu is one,buddha is Also a Avatar of Vishnu,Their is buddhist temple by Tibetian Colony in Mysore & Still Their a Buddhist temple in North India,Still some Buddhist temple are their,But they are not exposed too much,Another reason Some Invaders also Came & Destroyed Some temples in India,that is also Reason for Buddhist temple Extinction,Some Muslims Empror,Mongolians & Forgien Invaders Also Reason For Destroying Some Temple in India,For Other gods More & More temple stands,but For Buddha,Already few temple,hw its stands…?.these are the biggest reason….!.But still you can find Buddha temple in India,But Rare…!.If you Don’t know Anything Correctely,Pls don’t convey it…!.Don’t Expose Wrong Information to others…!.Idiot…!.If you want to find what is Real Truth,Go through History….!.y not for that use your own net…!.Hindhu is the first religion,From that Various religion Arises…..!.On the same time Egypth is another first religion from Egypth From that various religions arises…!.Ra….!.is a God of sun….!.Same thing in Hindhu was sun as a God…!.After we Worship Nature as a God in old stone Age…!.the hindhu was the first arises,Later egypth Ra…!.Like that…!.:) we have proof,We cannot fake the truth,Someday,Some how it come to Expose….!.
Akhbar Navees says:

October 8, 2012 at 3:13 pm

>>Avatar of Lord vishnu (A Brahmin God)…!.A original Reason For Buddhism Goes on Extinction in India was..

Only some Hindus believe that. Buddhists don’t believe this or in Hinduism. The Dalia Lama is not Hindu and neither is anyone in Japan, Kora or Laos

>>A original Reason For Buddhism Goes on Extinction in India was….!.Fight Arises between Hindhu Gods Follower itself,Like >>Fight Between Followers of Lord shiva & Lord Vishnu,on that they Destroy Lord vishnu temple & lord shiva temple >>also…!.you know this…!.not only Buddhism

So you hit the nail on the head. Hindus destroyed Buddhism–just like our article said

Your language exposes truth about your family background!
Dr Abdul jamil khan says:

October 21, 2012 at 9:34 pm

Hinduism, the oldest and root of all religions.
Dear Raghavendren ji,
Your position noted from your comments is according to hinduism ” creation” myths.There is no historical evidence for it. It is same as biblical creationism ” adam/eve” story with no historical evidence.
Your agressive enthusiam, is respectable as ‘blind faith’ but u cannot push it as history Man is from africa and his civilization originated in west asia, egypt/iraq and later dispersed to every where including india. See Egyptian word ‘Ra’ meaning lord/god became sumerian and arabic Rab and hindu Ram and tibetan/buddhist Lam; With R/L switch in east and tibet Ram ia pronounced as Lam and rama to Lama. Budha had been a egyptian monk is a distinct possibility as i have written in previous postings.
History is now based on Evolution and not what someone’s GOD dictatded. Please, read,reflect and reorient your self .
M M Sastry says:

November 6, 2012 at 5:00 am

The article has little truth as Brahmins were protectors of truth and completely away from violence. Many Riks chanted by Brahmins contain the quintessence of living like complete non violence, eating strict vegetarian food, thinking of life after death and not before etc etc.The society of Brahmins were so powerful in the community because of righteous living. For Brahmins the prescribed code of living is by begging. A Brahmin is not supposed to have physical assets. Despite being the inventors of all shastras like medicine,surgery, mathematics, astrology, astronomy. Please verify history before writing such filthy stuff.
Akhbar Navees says:

November 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Thank you for the Disneyworld version of history!

Check out the references in the article
true mind says:

December 2, 2012 at 8:18 am

history is like foolball one canplay like in their own way,,but muslim history inindia speciallyin sind was brutal,bloodshed and full of koranic preaching of killing infidel and nonbeliever,islam is still following those staze of earlier time of dark age,india been land of enlightenment budha,jain like 1000 thinker has immense fact,,regarding casteism it is evoluton of civilised society from namad tribal,human historyis plundering killing history,,india is noexception but relsult can be seen in bagla,pakistanpractically how illiterate and fanatic ,how long they can go to prosecute minority,women in modern age,,islam is also faith of ignorance
Akhbar Navees says:

December 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Can you please let us know which battles were faught in Sindh by Arab invaders? Is it not true that Qasim was invited to Sindh by Hindu Rajas?

HInduism destroyed Jainism, then tries to incorporate it–t then decimated the Buddhist and tries to assimilate it. Both rejected Hindusims. Buddha was a shining example of that rejection. Buddhism and Jainism have nothing to do with the HIndu Pantehon of Gods or Hindusim in general.

Islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world. Live with it!
indian says:

December 9, 2012 at 6:10 am

when budhist kill muslim in maynmar in riot in this year why the porkistani give warning to hindus ? know the festival of nepal in any unbiased source? .
Venus says:

December 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm

OMG, another inferior ramblings. This site should be renamed as Al-taqqiyah.com, the most apt title for rubbish articles that littered here. These bunch of hate mongers are talking enormously on India and Indians as if Pakistan is a heavenly country and Islam is a peaceful cult.

Brahminical atrocities? If you are against these kind of ‘atrocities’, the author would have answers with him for the serious questions that posted below on the issue of spread of so called religion of peace. Presumably he would have already rejected this religion of peace since no sensible human can actually answer those questions.

[Rhetorical rant unrelated to subject at hand --Deleted]

“Buddha was a shining example of that rejection.” Even though it is not true, we can still argue that he had atleast the freedom to reject and spread his own views. What kind of freedom a disbeliever can expect in an Islamic society? Even exists a space atleast to discuss indifferences ? Do Mr.Akhbar Navees have [deleted] to reject Islam and proclaim it publicly in Pakistan? Do you have the [deleted] to start your own religion based on your views? The answer must be a BIG NO. You have no freedom at all than being religious buddy, it’s your burden, live with it. Thanks to Sharia Law.

Here starts the basic difference between Islam and Hinduism. Muslims hates every thoughts that contradict their own religion. But my religion teaches me to accept noble thoughts from any corner of world from any people, even i can accept good teachings of Islam.

Vedas says:
“O you mankind! May you lead on to a common goal, may your speech be common, and may your minds and thoughts be in harmony with each other. May your prayers also be common like those of enlightened persons.” Rig Veda 10/191/2

Koran says:
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah (Q,3:28 )
Indeed religion of peace!!

Islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world, or otherwise every bad and immoral things on earth are on the arise.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Comments are supposed to reflect on the article at hand. It is not a license to spew venomous rhetoric which has nothing to do with the article posted. THIS ARTICLE WAS ABOUT ATROCITIES COMMITTED AGAINST THE BUDDHISTS. RANTS AGAINST ANY OTHER RELIGION ARE NOT REQUIRED HERE

The commentator has been unable to refute the charges on extermination of Buddhism–therefore the article stands.
Akhbar Navees says:

December 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm

You were unable to refute the massive amount of proof backed up with references contained in the article. This article was about Atrocities against Buddhists. It is not a discussion of Islam!

You have been unable to refute any of the charges put forward by Buddhists. Therefore the article stands and is not in dispute.

The article did not malign or speak up against any of your Gods or your religion. It was a historic investigation with appropriate references.

We are not interested in comparing Islam with any other religion. THERE Is NO COMPARISON! You can keep harping on your racist bigotry — but there is no truth in it and your falsehoods dont hold water. We don’t have the time or the ware withal to respond to your inane nonsense.

If you want your comments to be published please stay within the parameters of civilized behavior.

THERE IS NO ARTICLE ON THIS SITE AGAINST ANY HINDU OR OTHER GOD!

We do write about practices.

You don’t have a leg to stand on. In retreat you rant with your half-baked knowledge to malign Islam.

Q,3:28: Its not “freind”, its “religious benefactor”. The real translation says that not to take them as A’uliya” which means religious benefactor.

No matter what you say or do — Islam is the fastest growing religion in Bharat, the fastest growing religion in Russia, the fastest growing religion in Asia, the fastest growing religion in the world!

So keep up the good work — keep on creating curiosity about Islam. It will keep on growing.

QuRAN: Lakum Deena Kum, wal ya deen” For your your religion, for me mine

Thanks!
Venus says:

December 12, 2012 at 11:05 am

Readers, on the move of this debate we are obstructed with rather astonishing behavior of our opponents. Its a joke that he deleted many of my arguments just for being rhetoric to him. I was saying all that relevant issues in order them to realize their own reality. Debate is comparison, not a speech debate where one person always on the affirmative side and his opponent on negative side permanently. I alluded many of his religion’s fault to make him understand the mistake he was committing.

Doesn’t it seem hilarious if say a chronic meat eater exhorts to ban animal killing or a mass rapist complains of atrocities against women? The same hilariousness and sadness feels to me while reading many of the illogical articles dumped here. Many are just idle ranting against Indians just for the sake of anti India sentiment hide their own real self.

Don’t be so hasty to declare your victory Mr. Navees,
The author himself has fallen to the abyss of pseudo historical accounts contributed mainly by Indian Leftist intelligentsia. Nehru was too dump to be called as a historian. The leftist historians are famous for distorting historical facts, bias, and propaganda. Nehru too was a well known Hindu baiter. No one in India care much about this ‘histories’. It is a sad thing that these hate mongers who are waiting so anxiously over these years to see the ‘fragmentation’ of India who calls Brahminical scriptures as corrupt and then on the other time proclaim without any qualms ‘THERE IS NO ARTICLE ON THIS SITE AGAINST ANY HINDU OR OTHER GOD’, are entangled themselves in the ‘lost’ history of India. They yet not understood that they are fooling themselves by believing in leftist propaganda. The leftists were unable to produce necessary incidents to suggest their claims. In fact they are backed by more powerful missionary mafias and Islamic cultists in order to divide India on the Dalit and Buddhist card to fish their food. I agree that many Buddhist sites were converted to Hindu temples, but it was a volunteer act. The effort done by sage Sri Adi Sankaracharya, led to mass reversion of Buddhists to Hinduism. Many account of his debate with Buddhist scholars of that era are available today. The rule of the debate was that the loser should accept the winner’s religion. Buddhists lost all the debates with him. So you cannot accuse dishonestly the so called ‘Brahminical’ forces for the decline of Buddhism, it was due to it’s own limitations.

Leave all those aside, let me come to the subject. Even I do not subscribe that Buddha was a God, he was mere a social reformer to me.

“Ashoka dumped his pagan roots and converted to Buddhism “ These gullible racists again parroting the same leftist propaganda. There weren’t existed a religion called Buddhism at that time, Buddha worship was not started then. And I saw they once saying Asoka was a myth. Now in this case they believe he existed. They are superior in twisting facts to suit their own selfish purposes. This exposes the real personalities of rupeenews authors.
And they are babbling too much on caste system in Vedas.

“……..to which the Vedas and Other Brah’minical’ books had given religious sanction, was completely false……”
@ALL
MY FIRST AND FOREMOST CHALLENGE TO RUPEENEWS FANS:
#1 PROVE THAT ANY OF THE VEDAS SANCTION BIRTH BASED CASTE SYSTEM AND DISCRIMINATION BASED ON CASTE??
Conditions:
1. I don’t want to see copy pasted articles from various sites
2.Please don’t come with translations of western Indologists such as Max Muller, Griffith etc…
Waiting for that moment, let’s see their in-depth knowledge about Hindu philosophies.
Hasta -la-vista
Akhbar Navees says:

December 12, 2012 at 12:43 pm

We are discussing Buddhist extermination. We are not discussing the price of rice in China. Wehn we discuss price of rice in China, your opinions and challenges are more than most welcome.

Please stick to the subject. Lets also discuss civilized behavior, and etiquettes of agreement and disagreement.

If you have any concrete evidence to present on the content and the subject at hand–then bring it up in a civilized manner. Since you have been unable to stay on the subject and been unable to refute any of the points brought up in a well researched and well referenced article –hence the article and all its points stand.

We are not discussing the lack of toilets in Bharat, or lack of anything in another country.We refuse to be baited into subjects that are not the topic of discussion.

If you have a beef with Bharati and international historians, and if you disagree with Romilla Thaper, Nehru, and thousands of others on this subject, please challenge them, write books and write articles. No need to bother us or give us your un-researched or non-scientific opinions. They really are not worth much.

We criticize all nationalities and perosnalities. Your ilk is the only one that displays uncivilized behavior.

Just a few days ago we criticized Israel. An Isreali came on board and challenged and discussed. It was a civil discourse where we disagreed on almost everything.

Your type of folks cannot separate religion from history — thats why we call you temple-indoctrinated. Religion is what you learn in the temple. History is what you read in school. If you begin spewing what you learned in the temple and expect that the world accepts your temple’s version of events –then you will be disappointed.

Your ilk is the only one that starts bringing in religion on every discussion and begins to curse. Shows the level of tolerance of your kind. The usual response is “but what about—”. We we are not discussing any other country right now. We are discussing the topic at hand.

We are simply a news site, and really dont care about your abusive rants

>> I agree that many Buddhist sites were converted to Hindu temples, but it was a volunteer act.

Volunteer Act? Is this for real? Buddhism started in Bharat/Nepal and today is almost extinct in the country — while it thrives in China, Korea, Japan, Laos, Cambodia. So the Buddhists voluntarily destroyed their temples in Bharat while they are building temples in almost all of Asia? DOes this make any sense at all? Only in the dimented mind did Buddhists amalgamate themselves into Hinduism. Buddhists do not accept this theory.

You deny Even your Mahabharat and Kora Panda wars?

You cannot deny history and historical facts! Left, right or center, the invasions and the slaughter of the Kushans did happen. Southern Bharat did invade Loas and Cambodia

Your agreement or lack thereof does not mean anything. You discredit Nehru and dozens of others.

We simply reported what many Buddhists believe. Those historical events are also narrated by pronounced Bharatis.

So you read the article by Nehru and Romilla — and you go on an rant on Islam. Very immature isnt it?

If you disagree with hundreds of Bharati historians. We deliberately did not quote Pakistani or Muslim historians on this matter, –then you have to take up your battle for historical accuracy with Nehru, Romilla and thousands of others.
Venus says:

December 13, 2012 at 7:43 am

I gave you a challenge to prove if Vedas (in your words Brahminical scriptures) anywhere mentions birth based caste system, and you avoided it simply by instigating some Chinese stories.

Many arguments of this article have been drawn from the story of caste system in Vedas. And many conclusions of Brahminical atrocities against Buddhists are standing completely upon the proposition that Brahmins were lived in accordance with caste privileges that Vedas bestowed upon them. I gave that challenge simply to refute the premise upon which your argument is based i.e. caste based society. If the validity of major premise of your argument is questioned, it will be easier for me to refute the rest big arguments you have brought up. If you are unable to prove, that means claims in this article are more defeasible.
The caste system that you now perceive is more of a product of Islamic and British rule. There is hardly any clue to present that ancient Indians strictly followed it. If a lower caste Valmiki can compose Ramayana and if Brahmins can follow it, that means caste system was not that rigid at that time as you now observes.

God created the four varnas doesn’t imply that God created it on the basis of birth. This is an old tactic of Hindu haters for ridiculing and maligning Gita. They employ more sophisticatedly the fallacy called selective interpretation to deceive others. They deliberately avoid some verses in Gita and present cherry-picked version to readers. You are too its product, Krishna says he created four varnas and in the next line he continues that he created it on the basis of one’s QUALITY. A learned man is called Brahmin, a man in service sector is called Sudra. It have nothing to do with one’s family background, race, skin etc. It is mere a social division based on occupation.

I don’t mean uncivilized manner and never behaved as such. If you think so, this site should be the first target of yours for writing hate articles against India, spreading lies, deception that is more abhorrent in a civilized society. You want India to be fragmented and you advice me morality!!

“We simply reported what many Buddhists believe” Propositions cannot be derived from belief. If people believe that the world ends in 21st December you cannot argue it will happen.
“Southern Bharat did invade Laos and Cambodia” Where are the accounts? How many bloodsheds? Even the people of that country couldn’t digest this lie.
Akhbar Navees says:

December 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

We dont want anything or anyone fragmented. We simply report news and opinions based on facts. We criticize each and every country in the world. All other readers can handle critical analysis, you guys cannot. Your ilk doesn’t have the ability to handle any other version of history

Did you ever read the article? How can one discuss anything with someone who hasn’t even read the article (*)

Apparently not!

If you had the ability to read, you would have seen the referenced quotes from authors about Southern Bharati imperialism in Laos, Cambodia. How do you think Bali became Hindu?—did they paratroop there?

I am appealed at your knowledge of history!

>>birth based caste system

Read Dr. Ambadekar about Caste and Hinduism, and Dr. Koncha’s “Why I am not a Hindu” or “Post-Hindu India”. We dont want to discuss the Laws of Manu, or the Kora Panda wars between light skinned Aryans and dark skinned Dasus. We wont mention the fact that there is mention of Kavas Ailavya, and the word Sudra in the Purush Sukta. We wont tell you that Rg Veda, Sat path Brahman, Taittarya Upanishad, all speak of the three divisions. We wont tell you that The Rsi in the Vedic Sukta says, ’I am a poet , my father was a physician and my mother a pissan ‘ Rg Veda in( X-102) describes Rsi Mudagalya ,as a warrior. Varnas are 1 – Brahmin; 2 – Kshatriya; 3 – Vaisya and 4 – Sudra. A few quotes at the end–

If you want to see caste just ask the Dalits.

Because you will refute and the discussion is endless.

All your discussion is based on your religious knowledge. We are discussing HISTORY, not religion or religious books. We dont want to refute your religious books,so keep your discussion to history,or please go away!

1) Go to your local bookstore
2) Ask them about Jawaharlal Nehru’s “Glimpses of World History”.
3) Check out AD,and 12th century
4) Read about it
5) Also read Romilla Thapar
6) Fa Hein gives detailed account

The comments section is to discuss the article at hand,not Hinduism

We are not here to discuss Vedas. If anyone else wants to on this site, they can!

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FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO READ

The years of ANO DOMINI saw the beginning of Hindu imperialism outside
India. Just like the Ferocious Aryans destroyed the IVC, these Hindu
invaders destroyed the 2500 year old civilization of the Malay peninsula
and imposed a foreign culture upon the peace loving people of the far
east. Local temples were destroyed, people were enslaved, and the local
language was abolished. Being polite, Jawahalal Nehru in the
understatement of the century writes in his book Glimpses of World History
says:

Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “These
colonizing excursions started in the first century after Christ and they
continued for a hundred years. All over Malay and Java and Sumatra and
Cambodia and Borneo they went, and established and took Indian culture
with them…In Burma and Siam and Indo-China there were large Indian
colonies. Many times even of the names they gave to their new towns and
settlements were borrowed from India-Ayodhia, Hastinapur, Taxila,
Gandhara.No doubt Indian colonialists misbehaved wherever they went, as
all such colonialists do. They must have exploited the people islands and
lorded it over them..Hindu States and empires were established in these
eastern islands, and then Buddhist rulers came, and between the Hindu and
the Buddhist there was a tussle for mastery. It is a long and
..story…mighty ruins still tell us of the great buildings and
temples …there were great cities.Kamboja, Sri Vijay, Angkor .”

29) During this time Fa-hien visited India to study Buddhism (399 AD) and
found “gaya wa waste and desolate”. He gives a detailed account of
Buddhist persecution by the Brahman Aryans.

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Rigveda—According to Purusha-Sukta of Rig Veda , Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras originated respectively from the mouth, hands, thighs and feet of the purusha or the creator.
Ramayana —Ram killed Shambuka simply because he was performing tapasya (ascetic exercises) which he was not supposed to do as he was a Shudra by birth.
Mahabharata— Dronacharya refuses to teach archery to Eklavya, because he was not a Kshatriya by birth. When Eklavya, treating Drona as his notional guru, learns archery on his own, Drona makes him cut his right thumb as gurudakshina (gift for the teacher) so that he may not become a better archer than his favorite Kshatriya student Arjuna!
BhagvadGita-When Arjuna refuses to fight, one of his main worries was that the war would lead to the birth of varna-sankaras or offspring from intermixing of different varnas and the consequent “downfall” of the family. On the other hand, Krishna tries to motivate Arjuna to fight by saying that it was his varna-dharma (caste-duty) to do so because he was a Kshatriya. In fact, Krishna goes to the extent of claiming that the four varnas were created by him only. Thus, Arjuna’s main problem was being born a Kshatriya. Had he been a Brahmin or a Vaishya or a Shudra by birth, he would have been spared the trouble of fighting a destructive war.
Suman Das says:

December 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm

Sir:

You are a blot on Hindus and Hinduism.The Laws of Manu are sacred and must be followed.

You should be ashamed of yourself for disparaging Hindus and Hinduism. Hinduism is based on the birth based caste system. You can’t expect the lowly Dalits to be part of our civilized society in Bharat. The lowly Chooras cannot mingle with the Bhrahman, they have to clean toilets and kept out of the house. This is Manu’s law.

The Manu Smriti (Sanskrit: ?????????) is a work of Hindu law and ancient Indian society. It is also known as the Laws of Manu.

Manu divides Hindus into four varnas i.e. casteism. He not only divide Hindus into four varnas, he also grades them. Besides prescribing rank and occupation Manu grants privilege to swarnas and imposes penalties on the shudras.The status of the Shudras in the Hindu society as prescribed by Manu the Law-giver and the Architect of Hindu society. There are so many Codes of the Manu Smriti against the Shudras and Women which are below:

1. For the welfare of humanity the supreme creator Brahma, gave birth to the Brahmins from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vaishyas from his thighs and Shudras from his feet. (Manu’s code I-31,)
2. God said the duty of a Shudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-91) Manu is not satisfied with this. He wants this servile status of the Shudras to be expressed in the names and surnames of persons belonging to that community. Manu says:
3. Let the first part of a Brahman’s name denote something auspicious, a Kshatriya’s be connected with power, and a Vaishyas with wealth but a Shudra’s express something contemptible. (Manu II.31)
4. The second part of a Brahmin’s name shall be a word implying happiness, of a Kshatriya’s (a word) implying protection, of a Vaishya’s a term expressive of thriving and of a Shudra’s an expression denoting service. (Manu II. 32.)
5. A hundred year old Kshatriya must treat a ten year old Brahmin boy as his father. (Manu 11-135)
6. The Brahmin should never invite persons of other varnas for food. In case, the latter begs the Brahmin for food, the Brahmin may give them some left-over. Even these left-over must be served not by the Brahmin but by his servants outside the house. (Manu II2).
7. He who instructs Shudra pupils and he whose teacher is a Shudra shall become disqualified for being invited to a shradha. (Manu III. 156.)
8. A Shudra is unfit of receive education. The upper varnas should not impart education or give advice to a Shudra.It is not necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be taught. Violators will go to as amrita hell. (Manu IV-78 to 81)
9. “Let him not dwell in a country where the rulers are Shudras.” (Manu IV. 61)
10. He must never read the Vedas in the presence of the Shudras. (Manu IV. 99.)
11. Any country, where there are no Brahmins, of where they are not happy will get devastated and destroyed. (Manu VIII-20 to 22)
12. A Brahmana who is only a Brahman by decent i.e., one who has neither studied nor performed any other act required by the Vedas may, at the king’s pleasure, interpret the law to him i.e., act as the judge, but never a Shudra (however learned he may be). (Manu VIII.20.)
13. The Kingdom of that monarch, who looks on while a Shudra settles the law, will sink low like a cow in the morass. (Manu VIII. 21.)
14. Any Brahmin, who enslaves or tries to enslave a Brahmin, is liable for a penalty of no less than 600 PANAS. A Brahmin can order a Shudra to serve him without any remuneration because the Shudra is created by Brahma to serve the Brahmins. Even if a Brahmin frees a Shudra from slavery the Shudra continue to be a slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-50,56 and 59)
15. A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)
16. If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)
17. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)
18. A Shudra who has an intercourse with a woman of the higher caste guarded or unguarded shall be punished in the following manner; if she was unguarded, he loses the offending part; if she was guarded then he should be put to death and his property confiscated.” (Manu VIII. 374.)
19. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)
20. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
21. A Brahman may seize without hesitation, if he be in distress for his subsistence, the goods of his Shudra. The Shudra can have only one occupation. This is one of the inexorable laws of Manu. says Manu. (Manu VIII. 417)
22. A Shudra who wants to just fill his stomach may serve a Vaishya. If he wants a permanent means of living he can serve a Kshatriya. But if he wants to go to heaven or wants higher or superior birth in the next generation he must serve a Brahmin. (ManuIX334 & 335)
23. The most sacred duty of a Shudra is to serve the Brahmins, always, reciting the words “Brahman” with utmost devotion. Such a Shudra will get salvation. Otherwise he will die a worst death and will go to the worst hell. (Manu X-121)
24. But let a (Shudra) serve Brahmans, either for the sake of heaven, or with a view to both (this life and the next) for he who is called the servant of a Brahman thereby gains all his ends. (Manu X. 122.)
25. The service of Brahmans alone is declared (to be) an excellent occupation for a Shudra for whatever else besides this he may perform will bear him no fruit. (Manu X. 123.)
26. They must allot to him out of their own family (property) a suitable maintenance, after considering his ability, his industry, and the number of those whom he is bound to support. (Manu X. 124.)

READ TRANSLATION OF MANUSMRITI BY AN OXFORD UNIVESITY PROFESSOR:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm
Venus says:

December 14, 2012 at 5:47 am

@Suman
You sir are guided by false information. Manu Smriti had subjected to interpolations and adulterations many times during foreign rules by peoples with crooked interests. Those verses you quoted are just a result of that. Be sure to correct those misconceptions, see what real Manu Smriti says:
“A Shudra becomes a Brahmin and a Brahmin becomes a Shudra because of his Karma”
Hinduism does not discriminate humans.
For more understanding about Sanatan Dharma please read this article:
http://www.satyavidya.org/component/content/article/29-miscellaneous/138-16-reasons-that-make-vedic-dharma-superior

I am sure u will get enlightened.
Rajesh Gindwani says:

December 17, 2012 at 1:39 am

@Venus : Suman is not Hindu, he is a fake Muslim impostor. No Hindu would point out the negatives and hide the truth about his won religion.
Your link is very imformative.
Maharishi Vishwamitra was a Kshatriya who by his own virtue became one of the most respected Brahmin. And Maharishi Valmiki’s example is mentioned above showing that caste system is not rigid during its time. The story of these two great men can proove that all noin Hindu views on caste system are lies.
In Kaliyuga caste system cannot be observed as the world is dominated by Vaishyas with their money. The Muslims continue to critisize our caste system without realizing what is it about. Caste system upholds learned men (brahmins) to dominate the society, not bussiness men (vaishyas). But today ‘s world it is the otherway around. Arabia has been invaded by the US again and again. Although it was the US president (kshatriya) who made the call, but he was heavily influenced by the Jewish trade bloc in his country (Vaishyas).
Can u imagine nations can fall not because of khsatriyas but vaishyas ?
Similary the 1997 economic crisis that devastated the economies of entire East Asia and led to the downfall of Indonesian President Suharto (khsatriya) was because of one single Vaishya, George Soros ?
Weren’t the kingdoms of our nations destroyed by EIC ie Vaishyas ? They made our nation bankrupt and it was taken over by the British Govt (khatriyas) so that matters didn’t get even worse ?
It is these events that caste system want to avoid. Continue to critisize the caste system and continue to invaded and dominated.
Suman Das says:

December 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm

I am Suman Das. I am from Kolkota and a very proud Hindu.

I believe in the Caste System.

Gandhiji said that the Caste System would be destroyed “over my dead body”

The Caste system is good and mandated by the scriptures. Don’t try to hide the truth.

These scriptures include vedas, ramayana, mahabharatha, gita and the most notorious of all- manusmriti.

Here are few examples of how these scriptures.

Rigveda—According to Purusha-Sukta of Rig Veda , Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras originated respectively from the mouth, hands, thighs and feet of the purusha or the creator.
Ramayana —Ram killed Shambuka simply because he was performing tapasya (ascetic exercises) which he was not supposed to do as he was a Shudra by birth.

Mahabharata— Dronacharya refuses to teach archery to Eklavya, because he was not a Kshatriya by birth. When Eklavya, treating Drona as his notional guru, learns archery on his own, Drona makes him cut his right thumb as gurudakshina (gift for the teacher) so that he may not become a better archer than his favorite Kshatriya student Arjuna!

BhagvadGita-When Arjuna refuses to fight, one of his main worries was that the war would lead to the birth of varna-sankaras or offspring from intermixing of different varnas and the consequent “downfall” of the family. On the other hand, Krishna tries to motivate Arjuna to fight by saying that it was his varna-dharma (caste-duty) to do so because he was a Kshatriya. In fact, Krishna goes to the extent of claiming that the four varnas were created by him only. Thus, Arjuna’s main problem was being born a Kshatriya. Had he been a Brahmin or a Vaishya or a Shudra by birth, he would have been spared the trouble of fighting a destructive war.

You and your buddies challenged someone to show them Caste in scripture. We just showed it to you
sneha gulal says:

December 19, 2012 at 3:51 am

I just came across this article. You Muslims are a bunch of lying rats. Go back to your primary schools and ask your teachers who destroyed the Nalanda university and see what those liars tell you. As for the world this what they read :
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Islamic_conquest_of_South_Asia_-_Iconoclasm/id/5169442
“In 1193, the Nalanda University complex was destroyed by Turkish Muslim invaders under Bakhtiyar Khalji; this event is seen as the final milestone in the decline and near extinction of Buddhism in India. He also burned Nalanda’s a major Buddhist library. Vikramshila University, also a major center of Buddhist learning, was destroyed as well, along with the rest of the Buddhist monasteries in India. By the end of the 12th century, following the Islamic conquest of the Buddhist stronghold in Bihar, Buddhists ceased to be a significant presence in India. The survivors retreated into Nepal and Tibet, or escaped to the south of the Subcontinent. ”

www?.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/…
This website has a PDF file that mentions while Hinduism survived the onslaught of the barbarian Muslims, Buddhism didn’t as it depended on the sangha. And Muslims destoryed those sanghas.

The world was shocked when the Talibans destroyed the Bamiyan murtis. What many didn’t know that before the Muslim evil Taliban destroyed the murtis, these lowest specimens of creatures known as Muslims in Afghanistan hundreds of years back had already destroyed the faces of the holy murtis, because these backward Quran readers believed the statues would come alive if their faces are left intact. Heaven knows what they teach in your “islamic schools” for them to believe in such rubbish. And now Taliban destroyed the statues completely. This shows that Muslims in the past were barbarians and till present they still are.

You sick Quranic people are always quoting Dr Ambedhkar re matters for Dalits. Well he has another thing to say re Buddhism and Islam.
http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/19B.Revolution%20and%20Counter%20Rev.in%20Ancient%20India%20PART%20II.htm
“There can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism in India was due to the invasions of the Musalmans. Islam came out as the enemy of the ‘But’. The word ‘But’ as everybody knows is an Arabic word and means an idol. Not many people however know what the derivation of the word ‘But’ is ‘But’ is the Arabic corruption of Buddha. Thus the origin of the word indicates that in the Moslem mind idol worship had come to be identified with the Religion of the Buddha. To the Muslims, they were one and the same thing. The mission to break the idols thus became the mission to destroy Buddhism. Islam destroyed Buddhism not only in India but wherever it went.”
When critisized about your articles, you simply reason ” we simply report” then why the hel* did you not report this as well since you have quoted so much out of Ambedhkar? Well this is a true example of Quranic journalism, expose articles that discredit your enemies and hide the negatives about yourself. How disgusting.

The Buddhist themselves have no sympathy for your evil religion as stated below :
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=8,2588,0,0,1,0
“Buddhism is a compassionate religion; with its stress on non-violence, it was ill-prepared to meet Islam militarily”

All Muslims need to be admitted in a mega mental asylum built by the UN. There is no limits to the craziness you guys are capable of. Here Muslims burn Buddhist temples just from a post on Facebook.
“Hundreds of Muslims in Bangladesh have burned at least four Buddhist temples and 15 homes after a Buddhist man apparently insulted their religion on Facebook.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211046/Muslims-set-temples-homes-Bangladesh-protest-Buddhist-man-insulting-religion-Facebook.html

And if you have not bomb blasted all your book stores, visit them and try to find this book
Young Oon Kim (1976). World Religions: Volume 2: India’s Religious Quest. Golden State Publishing Co.
In this book you can find the following heart breaking info :
“The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his chronicle the Tabaqat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned alive and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to uproot Buddhism and plant Islam by the sword”
Even your own historian claims the attrocities of Islam towards this great and glorious religion.
You need to get back to your filthy madrasas and re learn how to report a story. You cannot hide most of the truth and report only articles favourable to you and call that journalism. And you expect the rest of the world to be as illiterate as you Muslims. Fortunately we are not and we all know the truth. We Hindus stand with our Buddhist brothers against you the filth that you call religion.
Venus says:

December 19, 2012 at 5:49 am

One of my comments on December 14 in reply to Navees is missing. It is unfair to delete my valid arguments. Such a mindset is undesirable. What the readers think of me, i evaded the points you made?
Rajesh Gindwani says:

December 19, 2012 at 8:12 am

@suman das –a proud Hindu wouldn’t be writing against his religion in an Islamic / Pakistani website, especially if the topic is against Hindusim.
You can say that I am a prouder Hindu, despite living outside India my whole life, despite living in a Muslim majority country,I still defend my faith anywhere, anyplace and anytime.

When did I say the caste system is bad ? I even mentioned you what happened to the modern world when caste system was not applied, for which there was no reply from you.
Re Caste system in the Vedas :
Venus had challenged you to quote any negativity related to caste system in our Vedas, all you did was quote caste originated from different parts of the body of the Lord. What’s so negative about that ? Are you not aware that every Hindu considers all body parts of Lord equally holy and pure ? So sudras came from the feet of the Lord,what’s the big deal ? When we go to temples where do we put our heads upon, the feet or face of the murti ?

Re Eklavya — Drona refuses Eklavya education because he was a non Khsatriya, but was allowed to take part in the Mahabharat war of Kshatriyas ? Where is the sense in this ? Drona preferred Arjuna more than his own son Ashwatthama, and Drona did not want anyone to surpass Arjuna, hence he refused Eklavya. That’s the answer.

Re –Arjuna worried over intermixing with lower castes :
When did Arjuna say that ? Please specify the verse and chapter.
Here Arjuna speaks about killing heads of families and wiping out entire bradri or dynasties and about upholding family traditions. Nothing is said about lower castes. Here corrupt women means having sexual relationship outside marriage and having illegitimate children. Where do you find relation with caste system ?
Chapter 1, Verse 36.
Sin will overcome us if we slay such aggressors. Therefore it is not proper for us to kill the sons of Dhrtarastra and our friends. What should we gain, O Krsna, husband of the goddess of fortune, and how could we be happy by killing our own kinsmen?
Chapter 1, Verse 39-40.
With the destruction of dynasty, the eternal family tradition is vanquished, and thus the rest of the family becomes involved in irreligious practice.
When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krsna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny.

Re Krishna– what the Lord said was to remind Arjuna regarding his duties as a Khsatriya. This is correct. What’s wrong with that ? The Lord says : “do your duty and leave the results to Me”.

Re Ramayana — so according to the story Lord Ram killed a Sudra because he was doing the work of a Brahmana. Let’s see, our Lord kills a Sudra because he attempted to do a Brahmin’s work, then goes to the jungle to eat berries from the hands of a Shudra woman, Shabri, that too the berries were half eaten by Shabri before the Lord put it in his mouth and ate it gladly?
So strict is Lord Rama following the caste system that when Vishwamitra, a Khsatriya turned Brahmana, requested the Lord, Lord Rama followed the sage to the jungle without a word and did as He ordered ?
The Lord meets the jungle resident (adivasi) chief Guhaka, hugs him and accepts his hospitality.
Then He goes and meets an ape, Lord Hanuman hugs and calls Him a brother equal to Bharat. Then saves another ape Sugriv and installs him as king ?
Then He had his own children raised by Valmiki, who was not a Brahmin by birth but a thief ?
When Lord Rama returned and was crowned king of Ayodhya, His court consisted of Guhaka, an adivasi chief, Sugriv, the ape king, a Khsatriya turned Brahmin Vishwamitra, and Vibishan, king of the Asuras. Valmiki was given much respect in the court. Even Vashista, a Brahmin by birth and the Rajguru of Ayodhya, acknowledged Valmiki’s greatness. Such a level of respect for other castes, such allowances of freedom to change to other castes, and now you tell me Lord Rama killed a Shudra because he wanted to be a Brahmin ? Think again and I now challenge you to give me the answer to this. Don’t waste my time by giving incomplete answer. Keep in mind all the names I have mentioned from the Ramayan then answer.
Alansaralhaq says:

December 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Thats because your precious Gandhi Jee was a spineless bigot, a xenophobic pathetic impotent who slept with young girls and no doubt like Nehru was a homosexual all be it a closest homosexual.
Alansaralhaq says:

December 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm

Suman Das,

I don’t think we care nor do we accept the fallacy of your faith.
Suman Das says:

December 19, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Hello!

I am Suman Das. I dont see this or any other site as Hindu or Muslim or Pakistani or Indian. How could a website be “Islamic”. This is ridiculous.

I see articles on this site from all nationalities and religions. I don’t really have a preference but am a proud Hindu

I really give a flying *&%# who this site belongs to. It has good material and the discussions are focused and profound.

I have submitted many references from our holy scripture on confirming that Casteism is part and parcel of Hinduism.

Your opinions do not nullify the Laws of Manu. STOP blaspheming and trying to make it as if Hinduism is not about Caste. It is about caste

Caste is part of Hinduism and will always remain so.

Gandhiji said that he would defend the caste “over his dead body”. In fact when the idiot chamaar Ambadekar tried to cozy up with Ex-harijan Jinnah and asked for and got separate electorate for the Harijans (hate the Dalit word) Gandhiji went to a fast-to-death to get rid of the Separate Electorate given to the so called “Dalits (unclean sweepers and filthy janitors).

Thank God for Gandhiji, or they would have gotten themselves Dalitistan, another “Pakistan”.

Jay Casteism
Hindustan for the High Class Hindus
Ram Rajha is around the corner when Modi wins the elections
Akhbar Navees says:

December 19, 2012 at 6:58 pm

You mean bha-RATS?

Very funny comment which has no relation to reality. It was all over much much before the 12th century. Buddhism had pretty much been eliminated as a force much much before the Muslims arrived. Discussing the 13th century is like crying over spilled milk. Your focus seems to be on the Khilji invasions, when most of Buddhism had already been destroyed.

The author of the article was a Buddhist and we quote Hindu and Buddhist authors. The best been Kalihani which discussed the destruction of Buddhism. By the way Nalinda and Taxila were in ruins way before the Turks arrived.

Immatureish Insults ignored! Displays your lack of content.

All references in the article are well documented. Your rant has no basis in reality.

This article was not written by Muslims or Pakistanis. Why deflect from the subject at hand….

WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ISLAM HERE. We are discussing what happened to Buddhist before the arrival of Islam to South Asia.

Totally bogus reference (its a tourism site, not a history site) and nonsensical site. We are sure ExperienceFestival is a credible site that we should all being believing in casting away tons of information given to us by Romialla Thappar, Dani, Mughal, Allichin and others.

This is what the Dalai Lama said “islam is the religion of peace wih compassion. This guy Balbir K Pun is aracist an Islamphobe, and is against the Lama “There can be no bitter irony than a Buddhist monk defending Islam as religion of compassion.”

http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=8,2588,0,0,1,0
Wow! Wonderful! Another paragon of truth the anti-Dalai Lama propaganda network. Here is a Buddhist who eats beef and meat and goes around asking for Tibet on Bharati shoulders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
Lets compare the wholsale genocide and massacre of the Rohinga with the four killed in the riots! So where did the killing fields exist? Was it a Muslim country? NO millinos were killed in Cambodia. What was their religion? Buddhist

You quote Ambadekar selectively and do not quote Gandhi and Nehru. It is clear, therefore, that Islam did not spread by the sword. …. [ Mahatma Gandhi in his article published in 'YOUNG INDIA' in 1924

Selectively publsihing Dr. Ambadekar is not right. You have to read the whole book. He talked about Brahamn atrocities on Buddhists--and neither you nor the website you mentioned publshied Ambadekars writings on that

"This Nanda Dynasty ruled over the Empire of Magadha upto 322 B.C. The last Nanda king was deposed by Chandragupta who founded the Maurya Dynasty. Chandragupta was related[f57] to the family of the last ruling emperor of the Sisunag Dynasty so that it may be said that the revolution effected by Chandragupta was really a restoration of the Naga Empire of Magadha.

The Mauryas by their conquests enormously extended the boundaries of this Empire of Magadha which they inherited. So vast became the growth of this Empire under Ashoka, the Empire began to be known by another name. It was called the Maurya Empire or the Empire of Ashoka. (From here onwards page Nos. 4 to 7 of the MS are missing.)”

Mr. Ambadekar is basing his information on “Vicent Smith”. I read Smith in the 8th grade. He is Islamphobic and his “history” is school-bookish and not related to any real references.

IF YOU WANT YOUR COMMENT TO BE PUBLISHED, DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE. Last warning.
lonewolf says:

December 19, 2012 at 7:07 pm

pray tell what did islam do to help the buddhists form the hindus? was it not your people who destroyed the bhamiyan buddhas? and u hve the guile to talk about tolereance. if hidus were demons to buddhist islam was the devil to buddhism
Akhbar Navees says:

December 19, 2012 at 7:11 pm

>>bhamiyan buddhas

Minor political event with no religious significance, only cultural and archaeological loss

You are not a Buddhist. What is your beef, other than Islamphobia.

You have been unable to refute the information in the article. Your deflection to Islamphobia is just flamebait and has no basis in facts. What has Brahmanis to do with saving Buddhism? Islam liberated those who were forcibly converted to Hinduism–as in Kashmir and other areas.
Akhbar Navees says:

December 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm

“Their” references, a travel site, a quote from a quote from a quote on an Anti-Lama site.

For the illustrate who cannot read or research here are a few real references:

Here are our references from historians about Brahman destruction of Buddhism:

1) The Divyavadana (ed. Vaidya, 282). The most important of the murderous Hindu bigots who carried out their systematic campaign of violence against the peaceful followers of Lord Buddha was Pushyamitra (184-48 B.C.), the founder of the Shunga dynasty. For details and refrences do see BELOW

2) Goyal [430] “The culprit in this case was Toramana, a member of the same dynasty as the Shaivite Mihirakula who did “immense damage to the Buddhist shrines in Gandhara, Punjab and Kashmir.” For details and refrences do see BELOW

3) Mihirakula is said to have razed 1600 viharas, stupas and monasteries, and “put to death 900 Kotis, or lay adherents of Buddhism” [Joshi, 404].

4) The Aryamanjushrimulakalpa tells us that Pushyamitra “destroyed monasteries with relics and killed monks of good conduct.” [Jayaswal, 18-19]

5) As Goyal [394] notes, “According to many scholars hostility of the Brahmanas was one of the major causes of the decline of Buddhism in India.”

6) The celebrated Tibetan historian Lama Taranatha mentions the march of Pushyamitra from Madhyadesha to Jalandhara. In the course of his campaigns, the book states, Pushyamitra burned down numerous Buddhist monasteries and killed a number of learned monks The archaeological evidence for the ravages wrought by Pushyamitra and other Hindu fanatic rulers on famous Buddhist shrines is abundant.

7) The Brhannaradiya-purana lays it down as a principal sin for a Brahmana to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril.

8) The drama Mrchchhakatika shows that in Ujjain the Buddhist monks were despised and their sight was considered inauspicious.

9) The Vishnupurana (XVIII 13-18) also regards the Buddha as Mayamoha who appeared in the world to delude the demons. Kumarila is said to have instigated King Sudhanvan of Ujjain to exterminate the Buddhists.

10) The Kerala-utpatti describes how he exterminated the Buddhists from Kerala.”

11) The Chinese traveller Yuan Chwang (Huen Tsang), who visited India in the seventh century records the oppressions of Shashanka, the king of Gauda, who was a devotee of Shiva.

12) Yuan Chwang’s account reads, “In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”.

13) Another independent account of Shashanka’s oppressions is found in the Aryamanjushrimulakalpa, which refers to Shashanka destroying “the beautiful image of Buddha” [Jayaswal, 49-50].

14) Another prominent seventh century murderer of Buddhists was Sudhanvan of Ujjain, already mentioned in the quotation from Goyal above as having been supposedly instigated by Kumarila Bhatt.

15) Madhava Acharya, in his “Sankara-digvijayam” of the fourteenth century A.D., records that Suddhanvan “issued orders to put to death all the Buddhists from Ramesvaram to the Himalayas”.

16) Even after the Islamic invasions of India, Hindu bigotry and hatred for Buddhists was not subdued. According to Sharmasvamin, a Tibetan pilgrim who visited Bihar three decades after the invasion of Bakhtiaruddin Khilji in the 12th century, the biggest library at Nalanda was destroyed by Hindu mendicants who took advantage of the chaos produced by the invasion.

He says that “they (Hindus) performed a Yajna, a fire sacrifice, and threw living embers and ashes from the sacrifice into the Buddhist temples. This produced a great conflagration which consumed Ratnabodhi, thenine-storeyed library of the Nalanda University”. [Prakash, 213]. Numerous destroyed Buddhist shrines were converted into Hindu temples after their destruction.

17) Ahir [58] notes that “The Seat of Buddha’s Enlightenment was in the possession of a Hindu Mahant till 1952.

The complete list is in the article!
Sneha Gulal says:

December 20, 2012 at 8:53 am

Re Nalanda university destroyed by Muslims :
You say “By the way Nalinda and Taxila were in ruins way before the Turks arrived..”
I will quote a website of the Nalanda university itself, speaking about THEIR OWN HISTORY :
http://nalandauniv.edu.in/abt-history.html
Chairman message :
“…it was violently destroyed in an Afghan attack in 1193. The destruction of Nalanda happened shortly after the beginning of Oxford University….”
Please please tell me that Nalanda University, founded by at least 6 nations, including Japan and Singapore, its Chairman Dr Amartya Sen was lying in his statement. Please tell me this so the readers can judge your sanity.
Actually by you denying the destruction of Nalanda by Muslims and me proving your one point to be a lie, technically I have proven all your sources as lies. But I still wish to go on.

Re Magadha : Rulers of Magadha were very tolerant, embracing both Buddhism and Hinduism as stated from the same website above in the history segment :
“The establishment of the ancient Nalanda as an undisputed seat of learning was a natural consequence of the time and place in which it was situated. Ancient Magadha was characterized by an intellectual ferment unlike any known to mankind. This heritage was divided into two parts – both Buddhist and non-Buddhist.”
So much for Hindu kings destroying Nalanda.

You stated Experience Festival is not a credible site. But why would a tourist site lie about history ? If that site is not credible I have also stated a University of Hamburg website. Why didn’t u comment on that ? Not enough ?
Another UK website mentions the same Muslim invasion as the cause of destruction of Nalanda university. I think it should be credible enough for you.
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/IndiaBengal.htm

Now that Nalanda is settled , let us go back to what life was before Khilji invasion.
You had stated “Buddhism had pretty much been eliminated as a force much much before the Muslims arrived.”
Let’s see how wrong you are.
Ever heard of the Chinese monk Xuan Zang ? These are his records.
Vedas and Buddhist scriptures were studied side by side in the Nalanda university, depicting the harmony of Hinduism and Buddhism.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/xuanzang/#H2
“There were over ten thousand Mahayana monks there engaged in the study of the orthodox Buddhist canon as well as the Vedas… ”

So tolerant were the Hindus in India at at that time that Xuan Zang, a foreigner, even critisized the Hindu philosophies.
“At Nalanda, Xuanzang became a critic of two major philosophical systems of Hinduism opposed to Buddhism: the Samkhya and the Vaiseshika… in absolute contradiction to the acosmic idealism of the Buddhist Yogacara…. Xuanzang also critiqued the atheistic monism of the Jains….”
“Xuanzang’s success in religious and philosophical disputes evidently aroused the attention of some Indian potentates, including the King of Assam and king Harsha (r. 606-647), who was regarded as a Buddhist patron saint upon the throne like Ashoka and Kanishka of old (Remember Ashoka, according to your website is the king which did not exist). An eighteen-day religious assembly was convoked in Harsha’s capital of Kanauj during the first week of the year 643, during which Xuanzang allegedly defeated five hundred Brahmins, Jains, and heterodox Buddhists in spirited debate”
And in case you thought that XuanZang was branded “kaffir” by the Hindus and beheaded…here’s what actually happenned :
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/274015/Xuanzang
“… even the powerful king Harsha, ruler of North India, wanted to meet and honour him. Thanks largely to that king’s patronage, Xuanzang’s return trip to China, begun in 643, was greatly facilitated.”
Imagine, a Chinese Buddhist coming to Hindu India, critisizing the Vedas, defeating Hindu pandits in a debate, and was allowed to leave with full honours to his native China. You recall Adi Sankara, a Hindu pandit, he had also defeated the Buddhist monks in similar debates which led to several monks converting back to Hinduism. Hindu and Buddhist priests were always engaged in such debates, never any violence. Even myself, however knowledgeable I am in Islam and Christianity, my awe and admiration is to this great faith called Buddhism and Jainism.

Re Dr Ambedhkar : let’s see now, Dr Ambedhkar is a Buddhist who had converted Dalits in India. You have quoted his opinions in regard to Dalits, but when I quoted from his website regarding Buddhism, you say Ambedhkar’s opinion regarding his own religion is influenced by an Islamophobic Westener ! You expect this double standard of yours to work with me ?
Yes Ambedhkar did mention about Brahmin attrocities, but he also said that Muslim invasion was the primary reason. Why didn’t I mention that ? I should ask you that first. Hey, I am commentator, I can’t give full report in my comments, but you should have as its you are the reporter of this article. But unfortunately you didn’t and that’s what I pointed you out.

Re : Romialla Thappar, Dani, Mughal, Allichin and others.
Let us now see ur sources. You have named them on a first name basis, as though they were my gili denda friends ! You have not even mentioned any websites to support your theories.
Who is Dani, Mughal etc ? I caught only Romila Thapar as you have stated her full name.
Romila Thaper : didn’t she write extensively about Emperor Ashoka, which your website states doesn’t exist ? So you quote Romila Thaper on Buddhism but doesn’t agree on her theories on Ashoka. Then you quote Ambedhkar on Dalits but doesn’t agree on his theory of Buddhism. Seriously, am I conversing with a human or a cherry picking ape ? :)

Re “Lets compare the wholsale genocide”
So this is your answer ? It okay for someone to burn temples in Bangladesh over a post on FB because Muslims in Rohingya are sufferring ? So that’s your answer. This is what makes the whole world disgusted at you, but you still don’t get it.

Re : “You have not quoted Gandhi and Nehru ”
Since when did their opinion matter to you ? To you they are homosexuals, sadistic, womaniser and child molester as stated by your website ? Suddenly you want to hear what they have to say re history of Buddhism ?

Re :”IF YOU WANT YOUR COMMENT TO BE PUBLISHED, DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.”
I don’t see you giving this warning to Alan, Waqqas, Abdallah Jan and many others who abuse Hindus at the slightest opportunity ?

Re : “Last warning ” when was the first one given ?
Sneha Gulal says:

December 20, 2012 at 9:40 am

Re your second post which you have proudly stated “proofs” re Hindu “cruelty” against Buddhist :
Let me proove you wrong one by one :
1. Many of your points have mentioned one single name, Pushyamitra, as though one Pushyamitra is equal to millions of Hindus who hate Buddhism !
Let’s see who this Pushyamitra fellow is : he was a renegade who killed the last Mauryan emperor so he hardly represent Hindus in general.
Koenraad Elst writes
The story is in fact given in two near contemporaneous (2nd century A.D.) Buddhist histories, the Asokâvadâna and the Divyâvadâna; the two narratives are almost verbatim the same and very obviously have a common origin.5 This non-contemporary story (which surfaces more than three centuries after the alleged facts) about Pushyamitra’s offering money for the heads of Buddhist monks is rendered improbable by external evidence: the well-attested historical fact that he allowed and patronized the construction of monasteries and Buddhist universities in his domains, as well as the still-extant stupa of Sanchi.6 After Ashoka’s lavish sponsorship of Buddhism, it is perfectly possible that Buddhist institutions fell on slightly harder times under the Sungas, but persecution is quite another matter. The famous historian of Buddhism Etienne Lamotte has observed: “To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof.”

2. Mihirakula : he was a Hun, and the Huns invaded and devastated India.
Yasodharman of Malwa and the Gupta Emperor Narasimhagupta, both Hindus, defeated a Huna army and their ruler Mihirakula in 528 AD and drove the Huns out of India. There is nothing of any Hindu cruelty towards Buddhism, Mihirakula was enemy of India in general, nothing to do with religion, although Buddhist accounts did mention his cruelty.

3. Vishnu Puran and other scriptures state Buddha as the ninth of the Dasha Avatar of Lord Vishnu. He is worshipped by all Hindus just like Lord Rama and Lord Krishna. All other theories that state otherwise are not accepted.

4. Sashanka was king of the Gauda kingdom, a Hindu and Buddhist mix kingdom, just like Kanauj, kingdom of Harsha. Informations provided by Bana and Xuanzang cannot be considered as true or very reliable as both belonged to Buddhism and Shashanka was known to be a staunch Hindu. Moreover the patron of Bana and Xuanzang was a sworn enemy of Shashanka. So both were bound to be biased towards him. They have described Sasanka as the “vile Gauda serpent”.

5. Nalanda university : I haven proven you wrong in my last post.
As for the rest I have not found any credible website that mentions their name so I will not comment.
Sneha Gulal says:

December 20, 2012 at 10:39 am

Re your second post which you have proudly stated “proofs” re Hindu “cruelty” against Buddhist :
Let me proove you wrong one by one :
1. Many of your points have mentioned one single name, Pushyamitra, as though one Pushyamitra is equal to millions of Hindus who hate Buddhism !
Let’s see who this Pushyamitra fellow is : he was a renegade who killed the last Mauryan emperor so he hardly represent Hindus in general.
Koenraad Elst writes
The story is in fact given in two near contemporaneous (2nd century A.D.) Buddhist histories, the Asokâvadâna and the Divyâvadâna; the two narratives are almost verbatim the same and very obviously have a common origin.5 This non-contemporary story (which surfaces more than three centuries after the alleged facts) about Pushyamitra’s offering money for the heads of Buddhist monks is rendered improbable by external evidence: the well-attested historical fact that he allowed and patronized the construction of monasteries and Buddhist universities in his domains, as well as the still-extant stupa of Sanchi.6 After Ashoka’s lavish sponsorship of Buddhism, it is perfectly possible that Buddhist institutions fell on slightly harder times under the Sungas, but persecution is quite another matter. The famous historian of Buddhism Etienne Lamotte has observed: “To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof.”

2. Mihirakula : he was a Hun, and the Huns invaded and devastated India.
Yasodharman of Malwa and the Gupta Emperor Narasimhagupta, both Hindus, defeated a Huna army and their ruler Mihirakula in 528 AD and drove the Huns out of India. There is nothing of any Hindu cruelty towards Buddhism, Mihirakula was enemy of India in general, nothing to do with religion, although Buddhist accounts did mention his cruelty.

3. Vishnu Puran and other scriptures state Buddha as the ninth of the Dasha Avatar of Lord Vishnu. He is worshipped by all Hindus just like Lord Rama and Lord Krishna. All other theories that state otherwise are not accepted.

4. Sashanka was king of the Gauda kingdom, a Hindu and Buddhist mix kingdom, just like Kanauj, kingdom of Harsha. Informations provided by Bana and Xuanzang cannot be considered as true or very reliable as both belonged to Buddhism and Shashanka was known to be a staunch Hindu. Moreover the patron of Bana and Xuanzang was a sworn enemy of Shashanka. So both were bound to be biased towards him. They have described Sasanka as the “vile Gauda serpent”.

5. Nalanda university : I have proven you wrong in my last post.
As for the rest I have not found any credible website that mentions their name so I will not comment.
Akhbar Navees says:

December 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm

HUnh:

You have proven nothing in your post –except bored us with your opinions!!!

We have quoted extensively from Nehru and Thapar! Take up your beef with them!

You ignore Kalihana and his detailed discussion of Buddhist persecution of Buddhists in Kashmir! I have the book in the basement!

Aliph) >>After Ashoka’s lavish –

Ashoka was a composite figure and there is no evidence that he existed. Check your facts buddy. THe Gupta dynasty given to you as fact is on the edge of fantasy.

Bay) >>”Buddhist institutions fell on slightly harder times under the Sungas”?

Are you kidding me. Your opinions are contrary to Thapar, Dani, Mughal, Allichin, and hundreds of others

Geem) 2. Mihirakula : he was a Hun, and the Huns invaded and devastated India. True! Agreed. Much Hindu cruelty there

Khay) Here we go again. You are again talking about late AD. … Buddhist accounts did mention his cruelty.

Daal) PLEASE DO NOT BRING SCRIPTURE INTO A HISTORICAL DISCUSSION. WE DO NOT WANT TO REFUTE YOUR RELIGIOUS BOOKS on historical facts. If you do, this will be unfair, because we will refrain from saying against the Holy Books!

>>Vishnu Puran and other scriptures state Buddha as the ninth of the Dasha Avatar of Lord Vishnu. He is worshipped >>by all Hindus just like Lord Rama and Lord Krishna. All other theories that state otherwise are not accepted.

Hay) As historical investigators, WE DO NOT ACCEPT any Avatar business! Also neither do Buddhists! Your religious practices have no impact on historical facts. Whoever you worship, or why you worship them is none of our business. We stick to the HISTORICAL facts — which do not lie within the realm of religion!

I don’t see any references, on any of your opinions. Our article has more than 100 references. Each fact is backed by multiple references and quotes! From you noting but opinion and some religious “opinion”!
Akhbar Navees says:

December 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

Huns were not Hindus? Great! What is it, you make up facts as you go!

No point in repeating myself –its all in the article! Every base is covered.

If you want to learn..You need to stop arguing and start to listen and read! Else, we are done arguing with someone who is not a historian, and has not read secular history, and banks only on religious dogma and treats it as history —in other words, is temple-indoctrinated!

FOR OUR OTHER READERS –HERE ARE THE FACTS!

Quoting Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, Prof. Bahauddin says that the conflict against Brahmin supremacy had, in fact, started before Buddhist period, between Vasishta Muni, a Brahmin, and Viswamitra, a non-Brahmin. ‘The dispute was about the learning of ‘Vedas’, the right to conduct religious ceremony, to receive gifts, and to perform coronation of King. Vasishta Muni insisted that these were the exclusive privileges of Brahmins, while Viswamitra was opposed to such exclusive rights. This dispute lasted for long period, and even Kings joined in it (Writings and Speeches of Dr. Ambedkar, vol. 7, p. 148-155. It was won by Brahmins.’

Before the advent of Islam, but after the Aryan migrations, several invasions and mass migrations of the Central Asian tribes named as the Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, Huns and Gujjars took place in the Punjab (and other parts of Pakistan).

The last two tribes i.e. the Huns (White Huns/ Epthalites) and Gujjars arrived in the 5th century AD when Hinduism had revived .. but had not fully succeeded in crushing the influence of Buddhism.

As the … Empire collapsed under the impact of Hun invasions, it caused deep consternation among Brahmins in view of their failure to eliminate Buddhism while the Gupta power supporting them in this task had disappeared. Therefore, they began to make overtures to the new arrivals who were valiant, vigorous and warlike. They were offered the rank of Kshatryas in the Hindu fold, a position only next to that of the Brahmins and confers the responsiblity of rulership.

In the course of time the leading groups of Huns were absorbed in the Hindu fold as Kshatryas while Jats, who were the descendants of the remaining groups of Huns, occupied a lower strata of society. But the present day Jats and Rajputs also include the descendants of the previous invaders….. the Sakas and the Kushans and even of earlier races. Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, White Huns, and Gujjars were ethnically Iranian.

In fact, Huns (White Huns/Hepthalites) are also called Iranian Huns to differentiate them from the other Mongoloid Huns who invaded Europe. The word Gujjar is derived from Khazar and Jat from Gatae who inhabited around the Caspian Sea and migrated towards northwest South Asia. http://www.oocities.org/pak_history/punjabis.html

Dr. Jayaprakash: ‘The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. This was followed by the demolition of Buddhist centres in Magadha. Thousands of Buddhist saints were killed mercilessly. King Jalaluka destroyed the Buddha viharas within his jurisdiction on the ground that chanting of hymns by Buddhists disturbed his sleep! In Kashmir, King Kinnara demolished thousands of viharas and captured the Buddhist villages to please Brahmins. A large number of Buddha viharas were usurped by Brahmins and converted into Hindu temples where entry of ‘untouchables’ was prohibited. Notably, Buddhist places were regularized as Hindu temples by writing Puranas, which were invented myths or pseudo history. The important temples at Tirupathi, Aihole, Undavalli, Ellora, Bengal, Puri, Badarinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Sringeri, Bodhigaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudimallam, Nagarjunakonda, Srisailam and Sabarimala are some of the striking examples of Brahminical usurpation of Buddhist centres.’
Akhbar Navees says:

December 21, 2012 at 12:49 am

All your questions have been answered in the two new articles.

If you don’t know the names of historians, you need to go to school, instead of copying and pasting.

Good you discovered Thaper. Now read some history!

Yes, we have been studying these authors for the past thirty years, and yes, they are friends! Of course we didn’t grow up on sidelwalks so we didnt play gullee-danda, The street kids did. We played Squash in our Country Club.

The warning was given when you were writing as “Venus”. LOL

Many of Waqqas’s articles were not published. He left Hope he comes back!

Sir: YOu can continue to copy and paste.

We are done! This discussion is closed!
Waqqas says:

December 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm

“Many of Waqqas’s articles were not published”

This was not the issue. I did not write any articles. You made my responses to Islamophobe and Pakistanphobe as articles.

What I requested you was to delete my messed up partial response in

http://rupeenews.com/2011/06/pakasia-the-future-of-pakistan/#comments
My comments dated Dec 6, 2012 at 7:53 and 9:27 PM and again on Dec 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM.

This was a very informative 9 page response to ‘Venus’ and Muslims would have benefited from it. The response posted by you is / was not my response.

Akhbar’s responses to opposition are mostly excellent, yet sometimes there is a miss. Here is where I come in. My way of research is unorthodox. for instance your statement below >>

“they did not believe in using slave labor, so they did not build nonsensical useless building like the Pyramids”,

Is a concocted Hebrew Rubbish. They were not build by Hebrew slaves. There is much more to Pyramids yet not understood by Egyptology.
Perhaps if Dr. Salima Ikram or Dr. Zahi Hawwas is reading this, may enlighten the readers, the reason for Pyramids.

The reason for these few words is to clarify your misconception of me being away. Other reason is the ‘One Eye’ and ‘Global Events Timing’.

Assalamu-Elekum
Akhbar Navees says:

December 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm

Please elucidate on purpose of Pyramids. Would love to hear about/from Dr. Salima Ikram or Dr. Zahi Hawwas

We also regret the loss of your 9 pager! Apologies man!
Akhbar Navees says:

December 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm

When I click this link http://rupeenews.com/2011/06/pakasia-the-future-of-pakistan/#comments

It takes me to 220 responses. I then lose the ability to find it and delete it.

Our site doesn’t have the best of search tools for admins. Tried to explain this many times. I can edit and delte in this mode, but there are more than a couple of hundred messages everyday, so your message is buried.

I give up!
Waqqas says:

December 22, 2012 at 7:14 am

Akhbar

Start with BismILLAH and job becomes easier. Regardless of your religious persuasion, though Faith is good. The ‘word’ uttered works for any body, Muslims or Non.

Start with bottom and you will find what I asked.

I will be away for 2 weeks. I will write about Pyramids when I come back, Insha’ALLAH.

Assalamu-Elekum
Akhbar Navees says:

December 22, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Have a good vacation. Our team will also take a break around the new year.

“ba Shart eh hyatt”, we will re-convene the “baithak” in the new year

Our New Year has already started! Inshallah it will be better than last –which was tough for all of us.
Jaspreet says:

February 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm

If you want to see what happened to Buddhism, just check out what has been happening to Sikhism. Legally Sikhs do not exist in India but are just Hindus. Sikhs refused to sign the Indian constitution due to that. Sikhs were declared a criminal tribe as soon as the British left. In the 80s and 90s, hundreds of thousands of Sikhs were slaughtered, mainly the Amritdharis. So it became very scary to be a Sikh. Then all this preaching by people like the RSS started, to declare Sikhism a part of Hinduism. They don’t just go preach, they also commission art showing the Sikh Gurus to be Hindu gods basically and have written all sorts of books to distort Sikh history. Basically famous Sikhs like Banda Singh Bahadur have their names changed and are described as Hindus. Even Maharaja Ranjit Singh is said to be a Hindu by these people. Though there is a Sikh PM, he was appointed. He is a guy who worships penises at Hindu temples but cannot tell France to listen to the UN and let Sikhs wear turbans. He also works with and has promoted killers who led mobs that went around burning Sikhtemples and killing, maiming, and raping any Sikhs they could hunt down in their homes, in their vehicles, on public transportation, hiding in the Gurdwaras, or anywhere else. When Sikhs in other places protest against his genocidal MPS and ministers, the bastard hates it. He feels Canada can be bullied as India successfully carried out a plane bombing and got it blamed on Sikhs (a plane whose pilots were Sikhs and most of the passengers on it were Sikhs too). So this so-called Sikh,Manmohan the coward and rat, had the audacity to throw his weight around against Canada and say Canadian Sikhs are causing problems (though the police in Punjab denied it and so did CSIS). Since then, he and his government have said it lots of times, so much so that the Canadian politicians seem to have gotten sick and tired of it and have said Sikhs have the right to freedom of expression in Canada and can campaign for a separate Sikh state if they wish as long as it is peacefully done in response to India’s demands though they did not want to say anything initially. It is just not good for trade but the Indian are just so fucking, obnoxious that they never know when to quit. The immigration minister a few months ago even told them there is nothing wrong with advocating Khalistan if it is done peacefully after they asked him to start deporting Sikhs who are Indian nationals in Canada if they campaign for a separate Sikh state. Anyway, their formula for trying to get rid of Sikhs ranges from genocide and all out murder, killings of Amritdharis, art, books, movies (Bollywood plays a role in the ethnocide and riducule of Sikhs in a big way), and there is finanical suppression too. As well, many of our religious leaders are puppets of India through fear and greed. A lot of the Sikhs killed in the name of terrorism dominated certain industries according to Kushwant Singh in his book “The End of India.” The end result is this, people of Sikh origins who come from India are surprised to see all these people of Sikh origins practicing Sikhism and Sikhism flourishing in places like Canada where the state does not repress it. Well, it seems like some of the ancient Buddhists were glad when invaders came according to Hindus. I for one am a Sikh who would be very happy if China were to conquer India.The way it kills and maligns those who are not of the majority, well I don’t wish it well trust me.
Alansaralhaq says:

February 18, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Jaspreet well-written, please write some more to show the Hindu monopoly operAndi and suppression of non upper caste Hindus.

As a Kashmir I personally feel thdestiny of 2 great Indus communities, the Sikhs wanting Khalistan and Occupied Kashmiris need to be unite.

Sikhs are Indo-Aryans of The Indus Valley and have nothing in common with The Ganges Civilisation.

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