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| RUPEE NEWS | September 29th, 2008 | Moin Ansari | معین آنصآرّی | اخبار روپیہ |
Saving Pashtuns of old “Afghanistan” in Afghania. Eradicating Pashtun plight. Ending occupation
by Moin Ansari
Afghans and Pakistanis have been living together for thousands of years. A Union must be based on equal representation between equal partners.
Pakistan as it existed 5000 years ago.
Afghanistan and Pakistan were part of the Indus Valley Civilzation trading with each other, and with the Silk route ot China and to Sumer and Urr. This is not the first time Afghanistna and Pakistan will be united. Afghan and in particular Tajik traders and scholars regularly travelled to the Indus Valley in ancient times and plied their trade.
The early states of the planet were Egypt (Nile Ciliization), Mesopotamia (Tigris and Euphrates civilization), China (Yangtze civilization) and Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization)
The four great powers of the ancient world traded with each other. “Kauirs” the shells of the Mekran (Mekan) coast and the Moenjodaan bull seals have been discovered as far away as Hawaii. The story of Afghanistan and colonialism begins a long time ago. British tried to take up White Man’s burden in Afghanistan. It suffered badly in Kabul and could not hold it. NATO Lessons: 1880 UK defeat at Maiwand-Afghanistan. Today ISAF is making the same mistakes as the British did a century again. Is NATO committing suicide in Afghanistan? There is a powerplay going on. …the CIA assassination. The US has considered every possibily. However the most obvious one escapes the $80 Billion think tank industry in the USA. Saving the Pashtuns of Afghania from Afghanistan. Eradicating the Pashtun plight and ending occupation.
The trade corridor from Gwadar to Khyber to Amu Darya would be powerful engine. The economic potential of such a confederation would be enormous and help propel both countries forward economically particularly for Afghanistan, but Pakistan would also benefit considerably. This new confederation would stabilize the entire region as a whole. The economies compliment each other. Pakistan supplies the surplus food to Afghanistan and Afghanistan provides links to Central Asia.
The Pathans of Pakistan. Karachi is the largest Pashtun city in the world. More Pashtuns live in Pakistan than any other country in the world. In Pakistan Pashtuns have been part of the ruling class and make a huge number in the armed forces, totally disproportionate to their population. There have been two famou Pushtun heads of states in Pakistan, Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan.
Pashtuns (actually Pasktuns) are known as Pathans (Pakhtuns) in Pakistan. They control the transport business in Karachi and other areas, and are some of the hardest working Pakistanis. They liberated Azad Kashmir and defeated the USSR in Afghanistan. Millions of Afghan Pathans were born in Pakistan. Pakistan hosted the largest number of refugees in the world from Afghanistan, About 3 million refuse to go back and have become part of the Pakistani fabric.
One of the greatest Pathans was Ahmad Shah Abdali who went all the way to Delhi and took the Peocock throne and the Kohinoor.
Da Dili takht herauma cheh rayad krhm, Zma da khkule Pukhtunkhwa da ghre saroona. “I forget the throne of Delhi when I recall, The mountain peaks of my beautiful Pukhtunkhwa.” Ahma Shah Abdali
The Pakistani province of NWFP, popularly known as Sarhad is now being renamed to Paskhtunkhwa based on Ahmad Shah Abdali’s words. Khushal Khan Khattak was one of the greatest poets of Pakistan and of Pakhtunkhwa.
Pashtuns comprise over 15.42% of Pakistan’s population or 25.6 million people.[2] In Afghanistan, they make up an estimated 39% [19] to 42% of the population or 12.4 to 13.3 million people. The exact numbers remain uncertain, particularly in Afghanistan, and are affected by approximately 3 million Afghan refugees that remain in Pakistan, of which 81.5% or 2.49 million are ethnic Pashtuns.[3] An unknown number of refugees continue to reside in Iran.[20] A cumulative population assessment suggests a total of around 42 million across the region Source Wikipedia
According to many historians including Humayun Gauhar and Aslam Khattak (” A Pathan Odessy) a conferation almost happened with Afghanitan in 1956.
The missed opportunity came in 1956-57 when Aslam Khattak was first our First Secretary and then Ambassador in Kabul. By then we had a full-blown ‘Afghan Problem’. Prime Minister Suharawardhy called a meeting in which Army Chief General Ayub Khan “dismissed our neighboring country in proper Sandhurst style. ‘Afghan problem?’ he said gruffly. ‘What is the Afghan problem? A little strategic bombing and an armoured thrust would settle it once and for all!.’” It was then that Pakistan, with Aslam Khattak in ‘Track Two’ mode, so to speak, started the proposal for a Pakistan-Afghan confederation. He wanted to get Prime Minister Sardar Daud on his side because “Daud honestly believed that the Pathans were oppressed in Pakistan. He considered it a duty to help his brethren. He may also have been suspicious about the ‘A’, for Afghan (Afghanica) province in Pakistan. Did it mean we wanted to take over his country? At the same time, we thought that Daud was in league with India and bent upon dividing our country with Delhi. As was often the case in such circumstance, both sides were wrong.” Daud was King Zahir Shah’s first cousin and married to the King’s sister. It was he who eventually deposed Zahir Shah. Khattak went to see Daud and told him that he wanted “to remove the misunderstanding between our countries…”
Next, Khattak separately met the “royal uncles”, Shah Wali and Shah Mahmood, and took them into confidence. “I told him that Pakistan and Afghanistan would have to form a confederation if they were to survive threats from the USSR and India.” After considerable humming and hawing both agreed to take the idea further. “Now I was ready to try my hand with Sardar Daud, whom I thought would be my most difficult hurdle.” After Daud had made his complaints and Khattak had clarified them, including the letter ‘A’ in the name ‘Pakistan’, they decided that there should be an exchange of visits between King Zahir Shah and President Iskander Mirza. Actually both President Mirza and Prime Minister Suhrawardy went to Kabul together, which is highly unusual. While King and President were involved in ceremony, the two Prime Ministers started talking. After they left, Khattak continued the dialogue with Daud, who “suggested that we include some friendly missions in our discussions, such as Turkey and the USA. Sardar Daud said that the Americans should foot the bill of our mutual development projects when we confederated. Both sides would maintain internal autonomy, he proposed, but they would form a Central Government for defence, foreign policy, foreign trade and communications. The Prime Ministers would rotate.”
If you are surprised at how far the dialogue went, there was more. Feroz Khan Noon had replaced Suhrawardy as Prime Minister. Khattak raised the question of head of state of the confederation with him. “In his grand way [Noon] said we should have no difficulty accepting King Zahir Shah as the constitutional head of state. ‘After all, for some time after independence we had a Christian queen. Now we would have a Muslim man’. President Mirza concurred in this.” When Khattak next met Daud, he said that “…a confederation was the correct step to realise our common destiny. I noted that Pakistan was a democratic country and asked what would be the position of the King. He promptly replied, ‘We shall be a republic if Pakistan so desires.’” So here was Pakistan ready to accept the constitutional monarchy of Zahir Shah in the new Pak-Afghan confederation and there was Afghanistan prepared to become a republic.
As to the USA, Aslam Khattak says, “The Americans agreed to help in a big way. They were prepared to enlarge Karachi harbour and to develop another port. They agreed to provide fifty locomotives and five hundred wagons and to extend the Chaman railway to Kandahar and the Torkham rail line to Jalalabad. Sardar Daud wanted them to extend the Jalalabad railhead to Kabul and to commit to connect Kandahar and Kabul by rail.” They had actually got into post-confederation details.
Then came mistakes. Daud came to Pakistan and while inspecting a shipyard in Karachi a bullet ricocheted off a ship and hit Aslam Khattak instead. Undaunted, they decided to bring Ghaffar Khan into the equation. He was released from prison and sent to Kabul, where he agreed to help in removing Pakistan-Afghan differences provided President Mirza agreed to hold a referendum on the One Unit. Mirza agreed. The American Ambassador in Karachi assured Ghaffar Khan through the American Ambassador in Kabul that the referendum would be held. But it wasn’t. “I have never known,” says Aslam Khattak, “exactly why he did not go ahead and do the job that he said he would. He may have got word from some important Pathans in Pakistan that, if the Afghans stopped speaking about the Pushtuns, the Punjabis would literally turn them into camp followers and second-class citizens. At any rate a great chance to change the face of history was missed.” Indeed. Let’s leave it at that. So much water has flown since then.
But consider. If the confederation had happened, it would have automatically meant the end of the Parity Principle and One Unit because the anti-democratic 1956 Constitution would have had to be changed. There would have been no Ayub Khan regime and East Pakistan may still have been with us. The Soviets would not have such a large country. No Soviet occupation means no Jihad. No Jihad means no Mujahideen. The Americans could not have created Osama bin Laden. No Osama means no 9/11. Source Humayun Gauhar hgauhar@nation.com.pk
ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO AND SARDAR DAUD
The idea of becoming subservient to India is abhorrent. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto 
In the 1970s, the roles between Pakistan and Afghanistan reversed despite the Pakistan government’s fresh crackdown on the Baloch and Pashtun Nationalist’s by the government of Zulfiqar Bhutto. The Pakistan government decided to retaliate against the Afghan governments Pakhtunistan policy by supporting Islamist opponents of the Afghan government[6] including future Mujahidin leaders Gulbadin Hekmatyar and Ahmed Shah Masood. This operation was remarkably successful and by 1977 the Afghan government of Sardar Daud was willing to settle all outstanding issues in exchange for a lifting of the ban on the National Awami Party and a commitment towards provincial autonomy for Pashtuns.
Kushan Empire
The case for a Pakistan Afghanistan Confederation
Most Pakistani foresee the eventual unification or reunificaiton of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Both countries are ethnically diverse with large Pashtun minorities. Both countries depend on each other. Pakistan depends on Afghanistna for access to Central Asia, the brithplace of Babar and many Sufis. An unstable Afghanistn has spread instability in Pakistan and vice versa. Afghanistan and Pakistan depend on each other for trade and commerce. Landlocked Afghanitan would benifit from Gwadar and Port Qasim. Pakistan would ebnifit from having access to Uzbekistan. There is commonality of economic, linguistic, cultural, poliitcal, and historical bonds. Most of all both countries are Muslim and share a very strong link in the post-USSR era.
Most scholars agree that its not a matter of if the two countries unite, but rather of when they unite as the two countries histories seem inextricably intertwined. Such a union, would prove beneficial in many aspects. The Afghan (Pashtun) ethnic groups would finally be united and balance each other when part of a myriad of ethnic groups.
Traditionally, when Afghans were united in a nation of their own, they have often been bogged down in internal warfare and tribal feuds. However, when part of a multi ethnic state, they would flourished.
Afghanistan abundant untapped natural resources offer strategic depth which Pakistan lacks. The two countries were united as recently as the 18th century under the Afghan Empire founded by Ahmed Shah Durrani, an Afghan born in Multan, in the province of Panjab in modern day Pakistan
The gloomy picture of Afghanistan keeps getting gloomier.
“The Fatherland of Pak Nation (Ali 1940) “North West Frontier Province – is semantically non-descript and socially wrongful. It is non-descript because it merely indicates their geographical situation as a province of old ‘British India’ [which no longer exists]. It is wrongful because it suppresses the social entity of these people. In fact, it suppresses that entity so completely that when composing the name ‘Pakistan’ for our homelands, I had to call the North West Frontier Province the Afghan Province.“Choudhary Rahmat Ali in his book, “Pakistan”
The NATO forces have been unable to stop the tide of the Pashtuns from taking over most of the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan.
In other words Mr. Kazai or ISAF has no control over most of Afghanistan and specially in the Pashtun dominated areas.
ISAFistan
Talibanistan
Karzaiistan
“Not just the future of the Afghan people is at stake. If Afghanistan fails, the possible strategic consequences will worsen regional instability, do great harm to the fight against Jihadist and religious extremism..“
“Urgent changes are required now to prevent Afghanistan from becoming a failing or failed state,” (Marine Corps General James Jones: Atlantic Council of the United States)
There are many reports out there about the state of affairs in and around Kabul. Amirecan forces are reluctant to add huge numbers as requested by Mr. Karzai. Mr. Karzai is being replaced by Zalmay Khalilzad. Mr. Khalilzad may try putting old wine in new bottle and continue to blame the Pashtuns in Waziristian and FATA for all the problems in and around Kabul.
The only solution to end terror in Afghanistan is to hand over the Pashtun areas to Paksitan and allow the Pakistan army to control them. Once that is achieved, the failed state should be added to Pakistan as the “Afghanis” province.
The Solution. Withdrawl of US and ISAF forces
Handing over Pashtun areas to Pakistan
Full absorption of Afghania into Pakistan
DEFEAT IN AFGHANISTAN- 
The story of Afghanistan and colonialism begins a long time ago. British tried to take up White Man’s burden in Afghanistan.
DEFEATS IN AFGHANISTAN: Then & Now
NATO Lessons: 1880 UK defeat at Maiwand-Afghanistan 
Is NATO committing suicide in Afghanistan. 
NATO lessons: UK defeat at Maiwind may shed some light on today’s situation. 
SOLUTIONS FOR AFGHANS Saving the Pashtuns of Afghania from Afghanistan. Eradicating the Pashtun plight and ending occupation. 
See AFP story below.
Afghanistan may become failed state’
* US Atlantic Council calls for ‘urgent changes’ to Afghan policy
* Afghanistan Study Group wants Iraq and Afghanistan ‘decoupled’
WASHINGTON: Insurgency-wracked Afghanistan will become a failed state if urgent steps are not taken to tackle a deteriorating security situation and lackluster reconstruction and governance efforts, experts warned in separate reports on Wednesday.
“Urgent changes are required now to prevent Afghanistan from becoming a failing or failed state,” said one report from the Atlantic Council of the United States, led by retired Marine Corps General James Jones.
It said Taliban control of the sparsely populated parts of Afghanistan was “increasing” and civil reforms, reconstruction, and development work “have not gained traction” across the whole country, especially in the south.
“To add insult to injury, of every dollar of aid spent on Afghanistan, less than 10 percent goes directly to Afghans, further compounding reform and reconstruction problems,” the report said. Southern Afghanistan has seen the worst violence since the Taliban were ousted from power in a US-led invasion in 2001 following the September 11 terror attacks masterminded by the Al Qaeda, whose leaders were given sanctuary by the Taliban.
As US and NATO-led troops wage an uphill battle now to keep the Taliban at bay, civil sector reform “is in serious trouble” despite immense resources poured into the country and nearly seven years of effort by the Afghan government and the international community, the report said.
“Not just the future of the Afghan people is at stake. If Afghanistan fails, the possible strategic consequences will worsen regional instability, do great harm to the fight against Jihadist and religious extremism,” the report said. It would also “put in grave jeopardy NATO’s future as a credible, cohesive and relevant military alliance”, it said.
Recent polls in Afghanistan reflect a downward turn in attitudes toward the ability of Kabul and the international community to improve the most critical problems facing the country: insecurity, weak governance, widespread corruption, a poor economy and unemployment.
Reacting to the reports, the US State Department said there had been “real progress” since the Taliban was ousted but added that it was critical for NATO and others to maintain strong commitment to rebuilding Afghanistan and bolstering security. “We know what a failed state in Afghanistan looks like. That was Afghanistan under the Taliban prior to 2001. Afghanistan today does not look like that,” said department spokesman Sean McCormack.
“There has been real progress where Afghanistan was six years ago. Is there a long way to go? Absolutely,” he said.
Decouple: The Afghanistan Study Group, co-chaired by Jones and former UN ambassador Thomas Pickering, said the “light footprint” in Afghanistan needed to be replaced with the “right footprint” by the United States and its allies.
The group, which also includes prominent experts on the region and on foreign policy, called for the appointment of a special envoy for Afghanistan position within the US government, charged with coordinating all aspects of US policies toward it. It also wanted the US administration and the Congress to “decouple” Iraq and Afghanistan in the legislative process and in the management of these conflicts in the executive branch.
In addition, the group sought an international mandate to formulate a “new unified strategy” to stabilise Afghanistan over the next five years and to build international support for it. The gloomy Afghanistan outlook reports are to be debated by US lawmakers later Wednesday. afp
- Pakistani Cheese for Western “whine”. Invoices for services rendered.
- http://rupeenews.com/2008/01/28/pakistani-cheese-for-western-whine-countering-do-more-mantra-selling-pakistan-too-cheap-tit-4-tat-diplomacy-countering-requests-with-formal-invoices-and-charging-market-prices-for-service/
- Wish list of Pakistani people
- Invoice for Defeating terror, Securing Pakistani Nukes $150 Billion per annum
Filed under: Afghan CA, Current Affairs, Pak CA | Tagged: Afghania, Afghanistan, Pakhtunistan, Pakistan
Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived. ~Abraham Lincoln In 1821
2009: On August 15, India’s independence day, Lal Chowk, the nerve centre of Srinagar, was taken over by thousands of people who hoisted the Pakistani flag and wished each other “happy belated independence day”:-- Arundhati Roy
(Pakistan celebrates independence on August 14)
Modi & Hindu fundamentalist Modi in “India” funded by US Gujaratis
Governor Bobby Jindal is financed by Indian American Hotel Association and he supports the IAHA which funds Modi
Indian Hotel Association hosts Modi after US denied him a visa 
“We should have nothing to do with conquest.“ In Thomas Jefferson 1791
The PPPP emptied the treasury in 6 months!
Mr. Modi the Chief Minister was implicated in these riots--supported by Indian Hotel Owners Association in America--the same group that supports Gov. Bobby Jindal
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Laden's secure mountain hideout?
Honestly Hindu-stan is lucky that Pakistan came in the way …. otherwise its a centuries old tradition of GREAT PAKHTOONS 2 slaughter dirty HINDUS in PANIPAT n tk the rest of them as animals 2 b consumed over the snowy peaks of HINDU-KUSH.I m not being racist.U ask any HINDU historian n he/she will tell u the truth.
My english is weak so please don’t mind, if you indians and farsi baan-afghan have mind) I am pkhtoon from SWAT. (Ka cha ta shak ve noo ramaidan shai, aoo ka na mo ye noo biya pa aram kanai) I think india or afghanistan should attack pakistan and then they will see our loyality towards my great country pakistan. In the name of taliban or other they are fighting for Sharia not for idependence. I also know you can not stomch the nuclear pakistan. By the way who is fighting in afghanistan against the so called super powers? Farsi baan? Tajaks?Hazara? Who? WE Pakhtoons. We will defend our country. Pakistan tu bana he qayim rehnay k liye, aur hindustan tu hay he taqseem honay k liye. Mind it. You can not control 10 person in mumbai how will you control the whole pakistan especially pakhtoonkhowah. You can see how helpless the US and NATO(ISAF) forces are, almost at the brink. they are begging to pakistan please help us we will become USSR. India Do you wana try us the PAkhtoons of Pakistan?
میرے بھای توہعد
سلام
بھت اچھا کہا
پکھتون زنداباد
پاکستان زنداباد
My dear Indian fellows when u use Muslim names in order to eye-wash the world,basically u admit that the blood in ur veins is not Hindu.You admit that ur Father is somebody else who is Muslim.Nothin personal.You Guys make very technical mistake by doin so.
Asalam alaikum my brothers of the Umma,
We may have differences in geography,in ethnicity, and language but we believe in the same one God i.e. Allah subhana wa taala,the same Prophet Mohammed Salle Allah allehu-o-salam,and the same Book the holy Quran.
The holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) always made it mandatory that there is perpetual unity in islam no matter which race we are from. In islam there is no race,no nationality,no geographical borders.
Rasul allah saleh allah alaiho-0-salam’s very first advice to the Umma is ‘Do not divide among yourselves’. Unfortunately we did exactly that. This is why today most Muslim countries in the world are not happy one way or other. Pakistan and Afghanistan are great examples of disunity. This is further encouraged by the vile cunning interfering tactics of our enemies. Instead of Pakistan it is india that is controlling afghanistan. Again Pakistani political leaders should have acted wisely and quickly to bring their afghan brothers to their embrace. Their indifference led to the growing influence of the Hindus from india. What are so many hindus doing in Afghanistan? Why are there so many Indian consulates in the country. It just doesnt suit Hindus to live in afghanistan . They even call themselves afghanis!! The bad influence f bollywood influence and indian tv was becoming a danger in afghanistan too. Only recently one hears it was banned.
Truethere are pasthuns in pakistan. But pakistan should win the hearts and minds of all Pashtuns by their actions. Bombing and killing or arresting them by force with the army going after them does not simply help. This means they are doing the same job as the cruel kaffirs from the qestern cuintries who have no love or feelings for us whatsoever. They only love their selfish purpose as they wish to divide us over and over again so that they can havew an upper hand in our regions. India is their spy and benefactor in their vile purpose. The tribal warlords of north afghanistan are now becoming a problem for afghanistan. They are cruel and have no discipline. The taliban arre no comparison. They are religiously strict. But they are not evil murderers or rapists like the northern alliance created and helped by the americans. America as usual ha sued the policy of divide and rule like their wily compatriots of history namely the british. The americans had always used these tactics be it vietnam,nicargua, panama or Iraq.
To counter our common enemy we must join together and defeat this menacing people who come to our doorstep and destroy our houses right under our noses. But instead of this what are we doing. We are destroying each other before they destroy us with our sense of racism, talk of superiority and treachery. This is why we appear very foolish to the Indians who watch us with amusement. They say: ‘We dont have to kill these Muslims;they will kill each other off one day’. Isnt this shameful to hear this.
So my brothers. You dont have to do anything. heed the words of the holy Prophet (SAW) and act accordingly.
Ishallah we will win as Muslims. AS one community of Islam. Atthe same time by being cautious of mischievous intruders who love to divide and break our spirit.
May Allah bless Pakistan ,Afghanistan and all Muslims in india and around the world. Because in today’s world it is Islam that is being targetted by the western powers and helped by Countries like Israel and India. So please beware.
La illaha illalla ,Muahammad-un rasulillah!
Jazakalah khair
Your brother -in-Islam
Indus Civilization people buried their dead, wrote a pictographic script (not Sanskrit) right to left, lived in non-stratified (non-caste) society, did not have horses, were not vegetarian, did not know anything about the horse, did not worship the Hindu pantheon of Gods, and ate beef.
The IVC existed on the banks of the Indus–not on the banks of the Ganges
Nothing “Hindu” about this!.
Kindly use your real name. I do!
http://pakhistorian.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/5000-years-ago-pakistan-existed-as-the-indus-valley-civilization/
Kindly quit reading the stories in your fairy tales.
your sense of history is filled with pakistani fake propaganda. PAKISTAN 5000 YEARS OLD?, please dont make yourself seem foolish. That civilization that you are calling pakistani was HINDU, your apparent enemies that were forced into modern day india- your pakistani propaganda fails to realize that you pakistani are actually indians and that your history is indian. there is no such thing as pakistani history is was invented about 50 years ago. You should be proud of your indain/hindu heritage(for to be discraced would mean discracing your ancestors) pakistan and afghanistan would have made a good union but NEVER would afghans join with pakistan who fought with the kaffir british against afghans, who have been servants of the west- did you forget that you throughout your fake history your paki land has been used to feed our enemies- we would never consider such a union
[...] SOLUTIONS FOR AFGHANS Saving the Pashtuns of Afghania from Afghanistan. Eradicating the Pashtun plight and ending occupati… [...]
Mr. Afridi:
Thank you for visiting our site and thank you for your valuable feedback. We apprecite it.
We agree with your comments–hence the multiple articles on the subject.
King Zahir Shah had agreed to become the titular head of the new state (parliamentary democracy).
According to Gauhar Ayub, an Afghan-Pakistan union was agreed upon by KIng Zahir Shah and Liaqat Ali Khan and was in the advanced stages of details and execution. However the assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan by anti-Muslim forces (India etc. see article on this subject on this site) (http://rupeenews.com/2007/11/27/why-was-liaqat-ali-khan-assassinated-a-forgotten-pakistani/) and the ensuing turmoil stopped the projec in its tracks.
I think the Indians are monitoring this site, because we get so many comments from them. One tenth are published, the others get trashed automatically because of violation of the code of conduct.
Best Regars,
Very nice article, I agree with this idea as the inevitable realization of the people(s) of Afghanistan and Pakistan. All this petty politics needs to be swept aside and the greater picture needs to be assessed. Stability in Afghanistan and evidently, Pakistan are intertwinned. There is no border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, we are one people, made up of different ethnic groups but with a common destiny, together we would be unstopable. Plus the balance of the region is off, since when historically, has gangetic india been a power?? this whole set up is unnatural, whats going on in the world, and why are there soo many fake indians on Pakistani sites like this one??(even some pretending to be Pashtuns/Afghans) lol!! how pathetic, even with their billion plus population and army, they still resort to cheap, petty and sub-human tactics, but thats their nature i guess, something they cant change, they have and will always be an inferiority complexed people. Anyhow, back to the point of this article, even Karzai, recently stated that Pakistan and Afghanistan are like ”Conjoined Twins”. When will our people realize that our futures are together, we need to stop talking about petty dismemberment, but rather of unification as a whole, only then will there be peace in our respective regions(Pakistan/Afghanistan) and more importantly stability and a return to the original status quo of our South Asia region.
Afghanistan and Pakistan will be united, why delay the inevitable.
Pakistan and Afghanistan ZIndabad
lol,
there r so many fake afghans aka indians commenting here.
well done Mr. Moin! keep it up.
To Mr. im a pashtun (afghan)
I respect your feeling about Pakhtuns but the matter fact is you have’nt visited Karachi or any other citiy of Paksitan other wise you will not talk about boming Pakhtun inhabited cities of Pakistan.
I suggest you come and vsit Pakistan and see how dignified and proprous like Pakhtuns are enjoying in Pakistan and beleive me they love their county they die for Pakistan as they did in the Past.
The chest of Pakistani/Afghani Muslims are broader than you can imagine because people like you see us with your narrow vision of cast, color or race.
“Karay ga imtiaz e rang o bu mit gae ga”
wo so ever discriminate on the ground of color or race wil perish.
And to Mr. ricky
It’s not your fault we can understand.
Thank you for your comments:
Std response 786:-
Indian glee on “Pakistan in Peril” brings a yawn in Pakistan
Please see:
http://rupeenews.com/2007/11/27/here-we-go-again-another-indian-prophecy-of-doom-the-first-one-came-in-1947/
http://rupeenews.com/most-popular-articles/pakistan-has-now-become-immune-to-%e2%80%9cprophecies-of-doom%e2%80%9d/
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Pakistan is becoming a failed state. The horror that was
Taliban Afghanistan was merely a symptom of the larger, worse
horror that is Pakistan.
Give the land back to India, move the Jihadi Invaders back to
Mecca.
What you smell is not nusuar?–it is the sickly smell of treachery wafting through the defeated pawns of the enemies. You can run but you cannot hide– the traitors will be placed inside dumpsters and then…..its going to get hot!
Soon the Crescent and Star will fly high on Lal Mahal in Kabul,
Pakistan Zindabad-Paskhtuns Zindabad-Pakhtunkhwa Zindabad-Pathans Zindabad
Traitors Murdabad
ashadu an la ilaha illa llah… wa ashadu anna muhammadan rasolullah
i swear on my childrens, my families life, my life and my peoples, that im a muslim and i follow Islam, and Allah is my lord and Prophet Muhammad (saw) is his last messenger to mankind, well we know inshallah Hazrat Esa (AS) would return in the future as he wasnt crucified on the cross like many christians believe but Allah subhana wa tala took him up to the heavens…
is that proof enough for u to show u im a muslim, stop being so ignorant, yes read my words carefully u fool, I’m from nwfp (pukhtunkhwa), im a ethnic afghan (pukhtun) and so is my family and my tribe and im from the Khattak tribe and no i wont give my email so u could send me ur stupid emails and no im not stupid enough to reveal my real name, its called “CONFIDENTALITY” u stupid fool.
u punjabis do not represent my peoples views u dalkhore…
Your threats are as fake as your URL.
Not sure why Indians have to hide behind fake email addresses and they always pose as Muslims or Pakistanis
Be brave. Tell us your Indian/Hindu name and say what you want.
Messages with fake names and false URLs will be deleted.
The head of RAW two months ago swore at Karzai and cursed him out…what freedom can Afghans have under Indian domination…remember the days the money lenders sucked the Afghan blood. Also go to a Kabul night club and see what is being sold and wht ia being bought and by whom
Salaam Allaikum,
I’m from nwfp and so is my family and my tribe…the idea of uniting Pakistan and Afghanistan is just that, an idea and no more, and won’t go any further than that. I’m proud of my people from both sides of the imaginary border, and I pray everyday inshallah my people are united with our brothers and control our own affairs in our “own” land, socially and politically. We pukhtuns (afghan) do not want to be united with Pakistan, we want separation from you. We think you are unworthy and un-honourable people who have backstabbed your fellow Muslim brothers in all walks of life. The pukhtuns (afghans) who have come to nwfp to settle have every right to do so, as this is their blood brothers land, also historically, linguistically and ethnically they have every right to stay there, it is you the Punjabis or the other ethnic groups that are not pukhtun that have no right to stay there, so if you are required to get out, then you must because it’s not your land rightfully in anyway. Control your own lands and leave our people alone, we want peace but if you try to force us under your control, don’t expect a hug from us. We don’t want to be controlled by other people other than our own blood brothers. We are not your dogs who you can tell us what to do. Even though you say Afghanistan has nothing, no education, health system, economy etc, to us its our motherland, we don’t care about the state it’s in, we just care and worry that’s its beauty will be exploited by your corrupt government like you always has tried to do. So if any loyal Pakistani (punjabi) or a so called pukhtun loyalist to Pakistan is reading this, read my words carefully…you will never have peace until our people are left with their freedom.
inshallah unity is close now, our people can smell it, they can hear it, they can feel it…now it’s a matter of time of seeing it…inshallah…
PUKHTUN (AFGHAN) from NWFP (PUNKHTUNKHWA)
The country of Afghanistan was created by the British as part of the Great Game against Russian expansion into Central Asia. The agreement reached then with the Russians was to leave all lands south of the Amu Darya as neutral. Other boundries were also defined in the South, East and West which resulted in the borders we see today. The British cemented this by recognizing the King of Kabul (which really is a Tajik city, or if you go back further, a Rajput Janjua city) as the sole spokesperson for all the tribes and peoples south of the Amu Darya, be they takjiks, Uzbeks, Hazara, Kazakh, Turkmen, Kurd, Baloch or any other. The division of Afghanistan proposed by Mr. Gauhar makes a lot of sense, though I do not subscribe to the infallibility of Pashtuns. For instance what happened to all the natives peoples of the land? We know that the Kshatriya sethis still live in Peshawar. We also know the Janjuas ruled all the way beyond Kabul. What happened to their descendents and their languages? One such language is Hindku, an older language of the region. But it is reviled. As is Saraiki, another language of the region. Perhaps if the Pushtuns would stop reviling other people, they would be more readily embraced. Perhaps if all the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan learned to respect respective minority rights of each of their areas, down to local level, then they would be able to merge as a great nation. By the way, Yahya Khan was from the Qizilbash, who can be closely linked through his ancestory with the Daghestan & Azerbaijan. The other “Pathan” kings of Delhi, Lodhi, Suri, Khilji, can be traced to the Ghilzai, a people Turkic origins. They are mentioned as Khalaj in Siberia. Oh yes, the Tegins were kings in Tibet for 24 generations until one of them was taken a prisoner. They tarvelled over the mountains over what is now Nuristan into what is now Hazarajat. That resulted in AlpTigin and SubukTigin. Wazir, Masud, Afridi, bangash, Khattak are desndent from Turkic fathers and Pushtun mothers. Point I am trying to make is please stop talking in terms of racial superiority.
Ram Chandra…look at the map…read the names of the peaks, and recognize the name HINDU KUSH.
A non Pakhtun minority governemnt sits in Kabul–all this will be solved when NATO-ISAF leaves..and it will be sooner than later…then “back to the Oxus”!
Before you get hold of any weapons check out what ISAF-NATO is doing at night in Kabul to the Afghan civilization. See what they buy for $5
The bravado is laughable! Which Pakhtun city will you nuke, Peshawar, Karachi or Lahore or Islamabad. All Pakistani cities are about 15% Pakhtun. Other Pakhtuns should read the Indian promise and take it for what it is…emanating from New Delhi.
There are more Pakhtuns in Pakistan than any other country in the world. Karachi is the largest Pakhtun city in the world. Pakistani Pakstuns are the richest and most powerful Paktuns on the planet.
There are 25.6 Paskhtuns (over 15% of Pakistan’s population) in Pakistan. The number of Pakhtuns in Afghanistan are about 13 milion half the number (about 40% of the population).
King Zahir Shah had already approved the inevitable union between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
What gives anyone to speak on behalf of the Pakhtuns.
Pakistan and her wet dreams about ruling Afghanistan. God is our witness, IF we ever get our hands on nuclear, we would not think twice about bombing Pakistan! Pakistan has claimed too many lives of innocent Pashtuns/Afghans, our lives mean nothing to them, it’s as if we are some lifeless puppets that they could play with and achieve their goals by.
Mark these words…they will be a reality in time!
aliph) Still using “Indian” story books we see. Khad provided brochures may do mind control for a while, but, they sure do not tell the truth. Perhaps reading some International, Pakistani and real history will open the eyes and the mind to some real history. Pakistan defeated Khad which was a subsidiary of RAW and KGB!
bay) Syntax is not a computer term only. It has the following meaning.From dictionary.com
syn·tax
–noun 1. Linguistics. a. the study of the rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language.
b. the study of the patterns of formation of sentences and phrases from words.
c. the rules or patterns so studied: English syntax.
d. a presentation of these: a syntax of English.
e. an instance of these: the syntax of a sentence.
geem) You’re right 5000 years ago there were only four civilizations, China (not known what they called themselves, 1) Iraq ( Mespotamia, Sumer, Urr), 2) Egypt (not known what they called themselves), 3) Pakistan, (also known as the Indus valley Civlization) 4) China. That’s it. To the East of the Indus Valley there were jungles. The Ganges Valley was uninhabited and occupied by monkeys and animals.
Hindustan was in the land of the Ganges..not on the land of the Indus. http://rupeenews.com/2007/11/27/the-geographic-two-nation-theory-pakistan-existed-5000-years-ago/
daal) “Hindustan” did not exist 5000 years ago. Pakistan was on the land of the Indus…Hindustan is the Ganges civilization on the Ganges. The word Hind was introudced by the Arabs to refer to people…“India” is as much a country as the Equator”: Sir Winston Churchill
seen) There were no shia domination at the at of Mahmud of Ghazni. Mahmud of Ghazni never occupied Pakistan…he raided Somnath and went back. He had to civil structures in Pakistan. This is not a discussion of Shia and Sunni. We don’t care!
suad) Your Indian roots are showing when you begin talking about the spread of Islam….SUFISIM…millions go to Moinuddin Chisti’s grave today…half are Hindus
tuay) The following articles list several international references that list Pakistan as the inheritor of the Indus Valley Civilization. If you think that the Indus Valley is in Hindustan, you should look at the map at the top of this artilce or the map of your choice. Hindustan does NOT exist on the banks of the Indus. Pakistan exists on the valley of the Indus.
PAKISTAN AS INHERITOR OF THE IVC
Let us see what the encyclopedias says about the Indus Valley and Pakistan:
History. The area that is now Pakistan was the site of the INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION, the earliest known culture on the Indian subcontinent. The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia is licensed from Columbia University. Press. Copyright © 1991 by Columbia University Press.
Pakistan (pàk´î-stàn´, pä´kî-stän´) Abbr. Pak.
A country of southern Asia. Occupying land crisscrossed by ancient invasion paths, Pakistan was the home of the prehistoric Indus Valley civilization, which flourished until overrun by Aryans c. 1500 B.C. After being conquered by numerous rulers and powers, it passed to the British as part of India and became a separate Moslem state in 1947. The country originally included what is now Bangladesh, which declared its independence in 1971. Islamabad is the capital and Karachi the largest city. Population, 83,782,000. – Pak´istan´i (-stàn´ê, -stä´nê) adjective & noun
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
Indus valley civilization, c.2500-c.1500 B.C., ancient civilization that flourished along the Indus R. in present-day Pakistan. Its chief cities were Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, where archaeologists have unearthed impressive public and private buildings that are evidence of a complex society based on a highly organized agriculture supplemented by active commerce. The arts flourished, and examples in copper, bronze, and pottery have been uncovered. Also found were examples of a pictograph script that long baffled archaeologists but was finally deciphered in 1969. The fate of the Indus valley civilization remains a mystery, but it is believed that it fell victim to invading Aryans. The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia
Present-day Pakistan shares the 5,000-year history of the India-Pakistan Subcontinent. At present day Harappa and Mohenjo Daro, the Indus Valley Civilization, with large cities and elaborate irrigation systems, flourished c. 4,000-2,500 BC. Beginning with the Persians in the 6th century BC, and continuing with Alexander the Great and with the Sassanians, successive nations to the west ruled or influenced Pakistan, separating the area from the Indian cultural sphere. The World Almanac® and Book of Facts 1994
IVC existed only in the Western part of the subcontinent, almost exclusively on the banks of the Indus (current day Pakistan). Therefore current day Pakistanis are inheritors of the IVC. There was a civilization in present day Pakistan. “India” did not exist 5000 years ago. The Sumerians called it Meluhha and Mekan. We don’t know what they called it. No one can be sure. “Pakistan” existed 5000 years ago in the IVC, even though the IVC probably did not call it Pakistan.One cannot accept the Lebanese, and the Syrian, and Cypriotic claim to the Egyptian civilization, and one cannot accept the Japanese claim to the original Chinese civilization. Similarly once cannot accept the “Indian” claim to the IVC. The “Indian” claim to the IVC is by association. The Egyptian claim to the “Egyptian” civilization is by geography.
aiyn) Indians will come to realize the following “A” in Pakistan is for Afghania
fay)“India” is a misnomer”
Was Salam (because you use a Muslim name!)
Alright Mr. Editor
I didn’t knew your counting starts with 0, in my country yeh, that’s right Afghanistan and in the west we start with 1, and end with 0.
My name, thanks for the introduction yes, it means Afghan intelligence which was and still operating under a different name. About our independence, we achieved it 30 years before you could imagine. We call it sayings or Quotes not syntax, syntax is a computer term inappropriate for general public, it wouldn’t be of my concern of your misunderstanding
my nationality, that’s right, I’m an Afghan. You talk about Afghans, talk about yourself.
Pakistan never existed in the Map before 1948, it was created by the British along with the state of Israel. Maybe history books are the only source of your knowledge. You talk about 5000 years of history, people in the west would poke fun, do not use that sentence in the public or for any presentations.
You’re right 5000 years ago there were only four civilizations, China (not known what they called themselves, Iraq ( Mespotamia, Sumer, Urr), Egypt (not known what they called themselves), but Not Pakistan, Hindustan (the Indus valley), that’s right, Pakistan wasn’t created till 5000 later.
You’re right Mehmud Ghaznavi didn’t created Pakistan but converted to Sunis, and disrupted the Shia domination.
With your understanding of Islam spread, Islam first spread in great Persia, that’s right, with Persia regaining back it’s lost territories from decades of destabilizing empires surrounding it. The idea of spread of Islam through sufism is an illusion.
Afghanistan was destabilized by British India back then in 1893 (Durand Line), and later by the state of Pakistan until now. You’re talking my country’s abnormal condition, how many anti-afghans were and are still created since then? You don’t need my advice for sure, world is a the biggest witness.
Editor Rupee News, on April 19th, 2008 at 9:28 am Said:
0) Your name tells us that you belong to the Afghan intelligence agency called “Khad” during the Soviet era. In fact Khad was another name for KGB-RAW. Talk about independence. Your syntax tells us that you are Indian. Afghans don’w talk this way.
1) Pakistan has been in existance as the Indus Valley Civlization for 5000 years. Please above.
2) 5000 years ago there were only four civilizations, China (not known what they called themselves, Iraq ( Mespotamia, Sumer, Urr), Egypt (not known what they called themselves) and Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization). Please above maps
3) Muslim rule in Sindh began with the Mohammad Bin Qasm in 750. The history of Pakistan did not begin with Mehmud Ghaznavi. His raid was short lived. Shia influenc ein Pakistan began with Humayun and is widespread in Pakistan.
4) Islam spread in Pakistan not through invading forces, but through Sufism, Data Gang Baksh etc.
5) Afhanistan has destabilized the world for 3 decades now. It is time to put an end to Curzon’s experiment.
I am not demeaning Hindus …I have great respect for Hindus…just wanted to ask you why so much hatred for Indians when your own roots are Indian…
Man don’t disown your identity…Punjab, Karachi, and Sindh in Pakistan are Indians…the rest Iranic by race and culture…Learn to live with that fact…
Sorry to inform you—Pakistani history does not begin with the British.
Obviously the news sources from the “chandoo khana” don’t cover the fact that the Indus Valley Civilizaiton (”Pakistan” is 5000 years old and existed almost exclusively on the banks of the Indus…..not Ganges river!
Look at the map at the top of the article.
Ah! Caste and low caste and high caste! Shows your mentality. You just demeaned about 400 million of Indians. 250 million Dalits, 150 million Muslims.
Amazing!
We don’t care about caste!
Afghanistan existed when Pakistan-the artificial entity invented by the West- was in nobody’s imagination and didn’t exis even in abstraction…And it was established by Afghans themselves unlike Pakistan that owes its existence to British mechanation…so be contented with that fact…
Moreover, why do you detest Indians so much…? If you would dig your roots a little, you would find about your Indian roots probably of low-cast Hindus converted to Islam by the northern invaders…That is a fact live with it…and one day you would return back to where your origin and essence is…
Thanks man…don’t mind but that is a fact…
Still struggling with English we notice. Mr. Ram Chand aka Mr. “Khan” is repeating something from somewhere. Obviously Ram did not read the article nor look at the maps.
Pakistan existed 5000 years ago as the Indus Valley. It was one of the four powers of the world. At the time there was only jungel in the Ganges Valley.
“batt keh raheh ga hindustaan”
“kashmir banaiga Pakistan”
Afghansitan is the “A” for Afghania in P-A-K-I-S-TAN. It will get united with the mothership.
A thousand pieces:
http://rupeenews.com/2008/04/26/india-balkanizing-naxalite-insurrection-widening-cracks-in-deep-cavities/
The Tamil terororism is being beaten back by Pakistani arms…and the exports to the Maoist friends are taking over a swath of 100 distects from Nepal to Andhra Pradesh. Forget about the 7 sisters, the Indian flag cannot fly there.
Beyond the Pakistani made JF-17 Thunder Fighter Plane, Chinese made J-10s. When will PAF acquire the J-11s
Pakistan defense based on missile nuclear deterrent hataf shaheen babar and abdali
Pakistan’s 500 Al-Khalid tanks have been in production since 2001. Newer generation tanks now being exported via IDEAS 2008
The declining Indo-Russian relationship. Delhi scrambles for new arms sources but they come with strings
GANDHI
Gandhi condones Zulu massacres and defends the British. Aug 4 1906
The sex life of Mr. Gandhi, and his failures as a politician
The myth of Mohandas K. Gandhi debunked. He gets an “F” on South Africa, Salt Match, Non-Violence, and independence
Which war did Mohandas Gandhi support. All of them. There wasn’t a war that the prophet of Non-Violence did not support. He was Sergeant Major in the British Army and won a medal for his war duties
Gandhi’s racism. The truth behind the mask. Behold Sergeant Major Gandhi who supported the British during the Boer war, Zulu rebellion. Behold the prophet of peace who worked to stratify the South African society.
Gandhi did not bring the British Empire down.
Gandhi’s letter to his friend Hitler.
Sex life of Mohandas Gandhi, his failures and sexual perversion
“INDIA”
A fit from the Gods to Hindus. Bottled Cow Urine. Story reported by Daily Telegraph of UK
Kashmir and Junagarh is Pakistani territory
Kashmir: Does the article of accession exist?
US resolutions, and Nehru speeches on disputed nature of Kashmir
As long as the canceroid state of Pakistan exists, there isn’t going to be peace in the south-central Asia and the world at large. Proliferation of weapons of mass destructions(WMDs), terrorism, and militant-fundamentalist Islamic ideologies are what are the gift of Pakistan to the world…An artificial country with no roots in the history and the past and merely invented by British Empire to be used as a toilet paper will expalins its reason-detare’ and miserable existence…
It has dismembered once…and will dismember once more…to get the world safe of the menace of terrorism and Islaimc bomb, UNO should help peacefully dismember this country with Punjab and Sindh returned to India where they belong and where their cultural and ethnic roots are and the rest of Pakistan re-integrated with Afghanistan.
0) Your name tells us that you belong to the Afghan intelligence agency called “Khad” during the Soviet era. In fact Khad was another name for KGB-RAW. Talk about independence. Your syntax tells us that you are Indian. Afghans don’w talk this way.
1) Pakistan has been in existance as the Indus Valley Civlization for 5000 years. Please above.
2) 5000 years ago there were only four civilizations, China (not known what they called themselves, Iraq ( Mespotamia, Sumer, Urr), Egypt (not known what they called themselves) and Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization). Please above maps
3) Muslim rule in Sindh began with the Mohammad Bin Qasm in 750. The history of Pakistan did not begin with Mehmud Ghaznavi. His raid was short lived. Shia influenc ein Pakistan began with Humayun and is widespread in Pakistan.
4) Islam spread in Pakistan not through invading forces, but through Sufism, Data Gang Baksh etc.
5) Afhanistan has destabilized the world for 3 decades now. It is time to put an end to Curzon’s experiment.
OK!!, sounds as if it is a PAKI[ISTANI] propaganda not Karzi, under what circumstance would you even consider yourself a muslim ? and how old is your Paki[stani] faith? Do you have to be reminded of the Afghan ruler Mahmud of Ghazni that converted you all to Sunnis, and freed you from the Shiite enslavement. Your “country” the Paki[stan] Land, didn’t achieve it’s independence, infact further enslaved itself into British Indian Ocean Territory still ruled by the British, that’s right. Your politicians and intelligence service is always under surveillance deeply engaging you all in orthodox Islamic faith and manipulating your minds with their agendas. Pakis[tani] being British Loyals had an especial name back then called “Rai Bahadurs”, so with your Rai Bahadur ideas, what inspires you for comparing the Afghan Pashtuns to Paki[stani] Bahadurs?