Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani Northern Areas) were never part of Dogra or Indian occupied Kashmir

The Northern Areas of Pakistan are liberated territory and include Gilgit, Skardu, Dir and other areas which were states that have been absorbed into Pakistan. These states were not part of the Dogra Kashmir and decided to join Pakistan in 1947. Today the Northern Areas (renamed Gilgit Baltistan) have their own provincial assembly.

In January 2010 Pakistan reacted strongly to the frivolous statements made by the Indian Ministry for External Affairs. The Northern Areas of Pakistan are liberated territory and include Gilgit, Skardu, Dir and other areas which were states that have been absorbed into Pakistan. These states were not part of the Dogra Kashmir and decided to join Pakistan in 1947. Today the Northern Areas (renamed Gilgit Baltistan) have their own provincial assembly.

Northern Areas of Gilgit Baltistan province are part of Pakistan and were never part of Kashmir

  1. In 1935, The British had leased Gilgit and Baltistan for 60 years from the Dogra regime in Jammu and Kashmir
  2. The leased region was then treated as part of British India, administered by a Political Agent at Gilgit responsible to Delhi, first through the Resident in J& K and later a British Agent in Peshawar.
  3. Jammu & Kaskmir  State no longer kept troops in Gilgit and a force, the Gilgit Scouts, was recruited with British officers and paid for by Delhi.
  4. On 31 July, 1947 the Governor arrived to find “all the officers of the British Government had opted for service in Pakistan”.
  5. On 4 November 1947, Brown raised the new Pakistani flag in the Scouts’ lines, and by the third week of November a Political Agent from Pakistan had established himself at Gilgit.
  6. Brown had engineered Gilgit and its adjoining states to first secede from J&K, and, after some talk of being independent, had promptly acceded to Pakistan.
  7. In March 1994, Pakistan awarded Brown’s widow the Sitara-I-Pakistan in recognition of his services to Pakistan.
Kashmir map: Kashmir is part of Pakistan. The green area is the Pakistan province of "Gilgit Baltistan" (formerly known as Norhtern Areas)

Kashmir map: Kashmir is part of Pakistan. The green area is the Pakistan province of "Gilgit Baltistan" (formerly known as Norhtern Areas)

Historically The Gilgit and Northern Areas have never been part of Jammu and Kashmir.

In 1935, the British demanded J&K lease to them for 60 years Gilgit town plus most of the Gilgit Agency and the hill-states Hunza, Nagar, Yasin and Ishkuman. The leased region was then treated as part of British India, administered by a Political Agent at Gilgit responsible to Delhi, first through the Resident in J& K and later a British Agent in Peshawar. J& K State no longer kept troops in Gilgit and a force, the Gilgit Scouts, was recruited with British officers and paid for by Delhi.

On 31 July, the Governor arrived to find “all the officers of the British Government had opted for service in Pakistan”. The Gilgit Scouts’ commander, a Major William Brown aged 25, and his adjutant, a Captain Mathieson, planned openly to engineer a coup détat against Hari Singh’s Government. Between August and October, Gilgit was in uneasy calm. At midnight on 31 October 1947, the Governor was surrounded by the Scouts and the next day he was “arrested” and a provisional government declared.

Hari Singh’s nearest forces were at Bunji, 34 miles from Gilgit, a few miles downstream from where the Indus is joined by Gilgit River. The 6th J& K Infantry Battalion there was a mixed Sikh-Muslim unit, typical of the State’s Army, commanded by a Lt Col. Majid Khan. Bunji controlled the road to Srinagar. Further upstream was Skardu, capital of Baltistan, part of Laddakh District where there was a small garrison.

On 4 November 1947, Brown raised the new Pakistani flag in the Scouts’ lines, and by the third week of November a Political Agent from Pakistan had established himself at Gilgit. Brown had engineered Gilgit and its adjoining states to first secede from J&K, and, after some talk of being independent, had promptly acceded to Pakistan. His commander in Peshawar, a Col. Bacon, as well as Col. Iskander Mirza, Defence Secretary in the new Pakistan and later to lead the first military coup détat and become President of Pakistan, were pleased enough. In July 1948, Brown was awarded an MBE (Military) and the British Governor of the NWFP got him a civilian job with ICI~ which however sent him to Calcutta, where he came to be attacked and left for dead on the streets by Sikhs. Brown survived, returned to England, started a riding school, and died in 1984. In March 1994, Pakistan awarded his widow the Sitara-I-Pakistan in recognition of his coup détat.

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NORTHERN AREAS WERE INDEPENDENT AND NEVER PART OF KASHMIR.

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Many consider the Northern Areas, Shangrila, the mythical piece of pradise on earth

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The accession of Gilgit, Hunza, and Dir to Pakistan was a simple act of accession to Pakistan and has nothing to do with the Kashmir dispute. Many incorrect maps show Norhtern Areas as part of Azad Kashmir

Northern Areas are part of Pakistan and never were part of KashmirNorthern Areas are part of Pakistan and never were part of KashmirWe first present map to show the exact loacation of Northern Areas. Then we present the historical proof why Northern Areas are part of Pakistan and not part of Kashmir.

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//www.moinansari.wordpress.comThis is a map of Pakistan. Northern areas are not shown as part of Kashmir

//www.moinansari.wordpress.com//www.moinansari.wordpress.comPakistani sites, please post this artilcle, improve on it and forward to allThis is a map of the Kashmir area demarcating the Northern Areas as part of Pakistan not Kashmir.

NORTHERN AREAS WERE INDEPENDENT AND NEVER PART OF KASHMIR.This map shows Azad “liberated” Kashmir. Azad Kashmir was not part of Hari Singh jurisdiction. The forged article of accession was never submitted to the UN or to Pakistan. The original article of accession was lost, if it ever existed. The copy submitted to the media by the Indian Government has a date of August, which is crossed out and overwritten with an October date. There are many things that question the integrity of the document, when it was signed and who sighned it. The date when the article supposedly had been signed brings many things into question as outlined by Mr. Alister Lamb.

"Gilgit Baltistan" formerly known as Northern Areas are part of Pakistan and never were part of Dogra or Indian Occupied KashmirPakistani sites, please post this artilcle, improve on it and forward to allThis map shows the Northern areas.The Northern areas are not part of Kashmir

“Gilgit Baltistan” formerly known as Northern Areas are part of Pakistan and never were part of Dogra or Indian Occupied Kashmir

The Pakistani position on Kashmir. Article of Accession is missing was a fraud and never existed. This is Pakistani occupied territory.

Watch out for bad Pakistani mapsWatch out for bad Pakistani mapsThese are incorrect maps and should be corrected.

Kashmiris have never ruled Northern Areas; it was the Dogra Raja of Jammu who brought parts of the region under his sway that too well before the treaty of Amritsar was signed through which the Dogras purchased Kashmir valley from the British. And it is also true that it was the local people who fought their way out of the occupation in 1947 and decided to join Pakistan on their own sweet will, thereby, severing whatever symbolic relations they had with the princely state.”

Nanga ParbatKarrakurrum highwaySiachen Glacier and Karakorum HighwayThese maps show the Karakoram highway route

According to Alister Lamb a noted historian of Kashmir, the actions of India have cast several doubts on the article of accession. The events as noted by several Indian historians do not make sense. Recently both the timing of the event as well as the intentions of the Indian National Congress have come under close scrutiny. India’s claim to accession is in dispute. The U.N. recognized the dispute, and treats Kashmir as disputed territory between India and Pakistan.

Occupied KashmirNorhtern AreasAccording to Alister Lamb, the Northern Areas rose up in revolt against the Dogra rule before the annexation that supposedly was signed between the Dogras and India. This makes them independent of the rest of Kashmir and the accession document does not apply to them. The article of accession was never given to Pakistan or the United Nations. India now claims that the “article of accession” is lost if it ever existed. There are several errors in the published version of the article of accession. The dates do not match and show that the Indian forces had moved into Srinagar before the article had been “signed”.

This is map of Indian Occupied KashmirToday all Kashmiris and Pakistanis pledge to become one. There is a general strike today, and seminars held to remind people aboutOccupied KashmirOccupied Kashmir

Here is an excerpt from Alastair Lamb’s book Kashmir… A Disputed Legacy. (Capitalization emphasis is mine)

MAHAJAN’S NARRATIVE ALSO CONTAINS THE FASCINATING SUGGESTION THAT THE FIRST INDIAN TROOPS WERE LANDING AT SRINAGAR AIRFIELD BEFORE THE PROCESS OF ACCESSION HAD BEEN COMPLETED.

If so, then the intervention of the Indian Army in the Kashmir dispute could well be another of those episodes, of which Pearl Harbour is the supreme example, where the military course of events resulted in the opening act of war taking place before the politicians and diplomats were able to organize its formal legitimisation.

Even more intriguing, in this context, is the fact that Indian troops arriving at Srinagar airport on 27 Oct. 1947 found other Indian troops, in the shape of Patiala men, already established there and elsewhere in the State.

The Patiala forces had arrived, it seems, on about 17 Oct. 1947, that is to say before the tribal crossing of the bridge at Domel on 22 Oct.

These two questions, the timing of the precise moment of accession and the date of the arrival of the Patiala men, have for some reason not been touched upon by the Pakistani side in the Kashmir debate over all these years; and, not surprisingly, the Indian side has not gone out of its way to draw attention to the matter.

The chronology and interpretation of the events leading up to accession which have been set out in Chapter 7 above lead to a number of conclusions which certainly differ from the received opinion, at least as interpreted by Indian diplomats. We will confine ourselves here to two issues, the status of Azad Kashmir and the question of who were the “aggressors” in those crucial days from 21 to 27 Oct. 1947.

On 15 Aug. 1947 the State of Jammu and Kashmir became to all intents and purposes an independent state.

There is no other possible interpretation of the lapse of Paramountcy. On 24 Oct. 1947 the independence of the State of Azad Kashmir was declared, relating to the territory mainly in the old Poonch jagir in which the control of the Maharaja, apart from Poonch city itself, had completely disappeared. Azad Kashmir’s first president, Sardar Mohammed Ibrahim Khan, as an elected member of the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly for a constituency in Poonch, could certainly be said to enjoy some measure of popular mandate, as least as much as the later claimed for Sheikh Abdullah.

On 26 or 27 Oct. 1947 the Maharaja formally acceded to India. Did he bring, even in theory, Azad Kashmir with him? This is certainly an interesting question which ought to occupy the minds of international lawyers.

NORTHERN AREAS WERE INDEPENDENT AND NEVER PART OF KASHMIR.NORTHERN AREAS WERE INDEPENDENT AND NEVER PART OF KASHMIR.

Gilgit: The fourth distinct in the region is Gilgit which is known as Dardistan. The region includes the tributory states of Hunza, Nagar, Chilas, Punial, Ishkuman, Kuh and Ghizar. The people belong to the Dardic race and are closely connected with Chitralis in race, culture and language. They are mostly followers of Ismaili sect headed by the Agha Khan (Muslims). This region was conquered by Maharaja Gulab Singh’s son, Maharaja Ranbir Singh between 1846 and 1860. Thousands of Dogra soldiers lost their lives in the campaigns that led to the conquest of this inhospitable but strategically very important region. The whole Dardistan including Gilgit has been merged with Pakistan and is governed by the Pakistani Central Government. This area has not been included even in the so called “Azad-Kashmir” (literally means Free/Liberated Kashmir. That is what the Pakistanis call the portion of Kashmirunder their occupation).

Pakistani sites, please post this artilcle, improve on it and forward to allNorthern Areas:Pakistani President General Zia-ul-Haq had declared that these territories which includes the Silk Route that connects Pakistan to China, might have once been part of Jammu and Kashmir, but now they are a part of Pakistan. The Northern areas, which include Dardistan and Baltistan, have already been integrated fully with Pakistan. In a quiet behind the scene announcement the Pakistani Ministry of Kashmiri Affairs and Northern Areas has divided these areas into five civil districts - Gilgit, Skardu, Chilas, Gohkoch and Khalpo. The administration of these districts is under Pakistan’s direct control and now Pakistan’s laws are applicable.

Karokaram Highway

The Northern areas are NOT part of Kashmir and it was wrong of General Pervez Musharraf to concede that the fate of the Northern Areas was up for grabs. If Kashmir is our “shehrug” then the Northern Areas are our lifeline to China.

The Siachen area:

The Pakistani position is marked in redThe Pakistani position is marked in redThe Pakistani position is marked in redThe Pakistani position on Siachen is marked in red

These are pictures of the Siachen Galcier.

Siachen Glacier color mapSiachen Glacier is occupied Pakistani territorySiachen Glacier is occupied Pakistani territory

Siachen Glacier is occupied Pakistani territorySiachen Glacier is occupied Pakistani territory

More Information on The Norhtern Areas of Pakistan

http://www28.brinkster.com/pakistan4ever/htmls/na/na.asp

Other Areas of Pakistan

Junagarh remains Pakistani territoryManavadar acceeded to PakistanJunagarh and Manavdar are also Pakistani territory.

About Kashmir: (Northern Areas are not part of Kashmir)

This is the paper that supposedly exists. It was never presented to Pakistan and never presented to the United Nations. This paper does not stand the scrutiny of historian. The “original date” of this so called paper was listed as “August” which casts further doubt on the document.

NORTHERN AREAS WERE INDEPENDENT AND NEVER PART OF KASHMIR.

“Whereas the Indian Independence Act, 1947, provides that as from the fifteenth day of August, 1947, there shall be set up an Independent Dominion known as India, and that the Government of India Act, 1935 shall, with such omission, additions, adaptations and modifications as the governor-general may by order specify, be applicable to the Dominion of India.

And whereas the Government of India Act 1935, as so adapted by the governor-general, provides that an Indian State may accede to the Dominion of India by an Instrument of Accession executed by the Ruler thereof.

Now, therefore, I Shriman Inder Mahander Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu and Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbetadi Deshadhipathi, Ruler of Jammu and Kashmir (princely state), in the exercise of my sovereignty in and over my said State do hereby execute this my Instrument of Accession and I hereby declare that I accede to the Dominion of India with the intent that the governor-general of India, the Dominion Legislature, the Federal Court and any other Dominion authority established for the purposes of the Dominion shall, by virtue of this my Instrument of Accession but subject always to the terms thereof, and for the purposes only of the Dominion, exercise in relation to the State of Jammu and Kashmir (hereinafter referred to as “this State”) such functions as may be vested in them by or under the Government of India Act, 1935, as in force in the Dominion of India, on the 15th day of August, 1947, (which Act as so in force is hereafter referred to as “the Act”) .”

KASHMIR
Peace is a two way street
Nehru’s commitment to the people of Kashmir
Kashmir & Junagarh are Pakistani territory
Kashmir: Does the article of accession exist?

Huge backlash against Zardari’s Kashmir statement. Pakistanis repudiate this treason and treasury ‘batt keh raheh gaa hindustaan—kashmir banaiga Pakistan

KASHMIR Junagarh & Manvadar Kashmir and Junagarh is Pakistani territory
Kashmir: Does the article of accession exist?

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India’s False Claim on Kashmir

On October 28th 1993, Robin Raphel stated that Washington did not recognise the Instrument of Accession to India as meaning that Kashmir is not forever more an integral part of India. She expressed the view that the whole of Kashmir is disputed territory, the future status of which must be determined in accordance with the wishes of the people of Kashmir.

Kashmir article of accession was never presented to Pakistan or the UN. It has now been lost, if it ever existed. Even the forged copy has problems with dates

The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), based in Geneva, recently, passed a resolution proclaiming Kashmir’s accession to India as bogus and null and void. The ICJ went further by condemning the human rights violations in Kashmir.

These events serve to highlight the disputed status of Kashmir by focusing on the fraudulent nature of the Instrument of Accession which was ‘signed’ by the Mahrajah of Kashmir on 26th October 1947.

India now claims that the article of accession is now lost--as if it ever existed. The fake article of Accession. There is over writing on this, and the date is wrong. Gilgit Baltistan were independent and never part of Kashmir

The Indians claim that the Instrument of Accession was signed by Mahrajah Hari Singh on 26th October 1947, in which the Mahrajah agreed to accede to India in return for military assistance to put down the popular rebellion against him, seen at that time as an invasion by tribesmen from neighbouring Pakistan. The details of the accession were worked out between the Kashmiri Prime Minister, MC Mahajan and the Indian official, VP Menon, in Dehli. However, there are serious doubts about the signing of the document. Alastair Lamb (in his book, Kashmir – A disputed legacy 1846-1990) points out that the Instrument of Accession could not have been signed by the Mahrajah on 26th October as he was travelling by road to Jammu (a distance of over 350 Km). There is no evidence to suggest that a meeting or communication of any kind took place on 26th October 1947. In fact it was on 27th October 1947 that the Mahrajah was informed by his MC Mahajan and VP Menon (who had flown into Srinagar), the the Instrument of Accession had already been negotiated in Dehli.

The Mahrajah did not in fact sign the Instrument of Accession, if at all, until 27th October 1947. This sheds doubts on the actions of the Indian regime. Some Indian troops had already arrived and secured Srinagar airfield during the middle of October 1947. On 26th October 1947, a further massive airlift brought thousands of Indian troops to Kashmir – BEFORE the signing of the Accession. Therefore, this situation begs the question: would the Mahrajah have signed the Instrument of Accession had the Indian troops not been on Kashmiri soil?

No satisfactory original of the Instrument of Accession has ever been produced in an international forum; a published form has always been shown. Further, the document was not presented to Pakistan or to the UN. In the summer of 1995, the Indian authorities reported the original document as lost or stolen. This sheds further doubt on whether the Mahrajah actually signed the Instrument of Accession.

The Governor-General of India at the time, Lord Mountbatten, stipulated that the permanent accession of Kashmir to the Indian Union will only be accepted once the people of Kashmir had been consulted. He noted in a letter to the Mahrajah, “the question of the states’s accession should be settled by a reference to the people”. Furthermore, when the Kashmir crisis broke out in October 1947, the principle of reference to the people through plebiscite was already established as similar disputes in some other states had been resolved this way. The Indian Prime Minister J Nehru, accepted this principle and reiterated his position in a letter to the British Prime Minister on 25th October 1947, “our view, which we have repeatedly made public, is that the question of accession in any disputed territory must be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people and we adhere to this view”. Therefore, at the time of the so-called accession, the Indian regime accepted the principle of reference to the people. Based on this principle, the Instrument of Accession should have been provisional and conditional upon the outcome of a plebiscite.

When India took the Kashmir issue to the UN in 1948, it did so under article 35 of Chapter VI which outlines the means for a peaceful settlement of disputes. It is interesting to note here that India did not present the Kashmir case under the UN Chapter VII which relates to acts of aggression as India was alleging Pakistan. Therefore, it is evident that by raising the issue under Chapter VI, India recognised the Kashmir issue as a dispute, thus conceding that the Instrument of Accession had not confirmed the state to be an integral part of India. India is still party to all the UN resolutions on Kashmir. Moreover, India and Pakistan accepted the UN resolutions of January 1948 calling for a plebiscite in Kashmir to exercise the right of self-determination of the people of Kashmir. India’s acceptance of the UN resolutions establishes beyond a doubt, that the future of status of Kashmir would be determined by its people. Therefore, the Instrument of Accession, even if genuine, is rendered null and void.

In the past, attempts to hold a plebiscite have been met with fierce opposition from India. India has known, right from the start, that the result of a plebiscite is a foregone conclusion – the population of Kashmir would have voted to rid themselves of Indian rule. This has been the case from 26th October 1947 to the present day. On the practicality of holding a plebiscite, a paper by the US state department, presented to the UN on 2nd December 1947, noted , “the dominion of India may attempt to establish the extant electoral rolls on the basis for the referendum. As these rolls are said to contain less than 7% of the population and were compiled on a basis which served the weight to the members of the wealthiest educated Hindu majority who would obviously vote for accession to India, it is important that the electoral body should in fact be composed on a basis of complete adult suffrage in order that the result of the referendum may be representative of the actual wishes of the people of Kashmir”.

In view of the above arguments, it is clear that the Indian case on Kashmir is politically, legally and morally unjustified. The commitment made by India and the UN to allow the people of the state to choose their own future are neither time bound nor do they provide an escape clause for the Indian regime. It is only through fraud and repression that India continues to forcefully occupy a large portion of Kashmir.

This site is maintained by Gharib Hanif (hanif@gharib.demon.co.uk). Comments and suggestions always welcome.

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19 Responses to “Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani Northern Areas) were never part of Dogra or Indian occupied Kashmir”

  1. supersizeme says:

    Thanks for this, yes its common knowledge are part of Pakistan, and K2 and the mountains around it are including as part of Pakistan, no doubt about it, Azad kashmir has remote areas like Baltistan above Muzaffarabad etc, the populated areas are a tiny western strip of Kashmir, from Mirpur to Muzaffarabad, I’m from that region originally.
    However I see the purpose for this entry, theres an indian channel which always shows a dyslexic brutally chopped up map of Pakistan, cutting off all of its north east, including Azad Kashmir, and the Northern Areas, inc, K2, which according to them belong to ”India”. Yeah! In their dreams!!!!

  2. moinansari says:

    Thank you for your kind comments. Many lazy Pakistani newspapers, and even a few government departs also show incorrect Pakistani maps. We have launched a a Global Campaign to correct Pakistani maps and need the participation of civic minded giants like you.

    Moin

  3. supersizeme says:

    Moin, this is an old post of mine, you might wanna read it, I’m so glad theres someone else out there whose concerned too.

    http://supersizeme.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/where-the-hell-is-kashmir/

  4. masroor says:

    The gilgit,baltistan are neither a province nor an agency of Pakistan it is part of kashmir.BY CHANGING NAMES OF AREAS TO SO CALLED NOTHERN ARES TO COVER UP LAND GRAB OF KASHMIR BY PAKISTAN AND ERASE THE IDENTITY OF GILGIT AND BALTISTAN.

  5. MASROOR,SRINAGAR says:

    u cant take even comment it shows real face of pakistanis who r in pursuite of grabing land of kashmir and nothing more then that!!

  6. Moin Ansari says:

    Dear reader;

    Thank you for your comments. Some of our team was on vacation for the Labor Day weekend.

    If you read the article you will understand the legal and technicla aspects.

    India claims that the article of accession is now lost. If it ever existed, it was never prseneted to the world, Pakistan or the UN. The forged document has serious errors on dates and people. The people who were supposed to sign the document were not present in the places that are shown on the document. Additionally the forged paper has corssed out dates and over writing on it.

    The Northern Areas are not part of Azad Kashmir. India absorbed more than 560 states into the Union. Pakistan also absorbed the dozen or so states in its territory. Dir, Gilgit and Skardu were some of these. The legal documents are available for the world to see

    The British oficers in 1947 sided with the Pakistan and helped the people remain free from Dogra occupation and control..

    All states in the Northern Areas were absorbed into Pakistan as they should have been.

    The Norhtern Areas of Pakistan have their own elected provincial assembly.

    See extensive legal arguments made by Stanley Wolpert and Alistair Lamb about the legal status of Northern Areas.

    Our article on detailed history of the Northern Areas has been published under history of Kashmir. Another article is in draft form.

  7. ledzep says:

    I would really want to see Ladakh, Jammu, and Kashmir as independent states; free from Indian or Pakistani squabbles. Too much ethnodiversity can tear up a country.

  8. wildpigeon says:

    Moin sahib u broke my heart by writing this article.Northern areas are integral part of Kashmir and KASHMIRIS would never allow any country to divide their motherland like a piece of cake.It will be a start of a long and bloody war with Pakistan.Kashmir will either be a part of PAKISTAN as a whole or be independent as a whole unit.Areas given as a gift to China by Pakistan without asking Kashmiries and Aksai chin,it is all Kashmiri land.May be we will not be alive but Kashmir will be a free country sooner or later history will tell.

  9. Moin Ansari says:

    I think you have been reading too many anti-Pakistan rhetoric. British Kashmiris face the onslought of Indian propoganda in Nottingham. WE have to be on our toes.

    India wants to surround itself with a series of semi independent compliant states that will pose no threat to New Delhi. These states on the periphery make up the “The India Doctrine” (Read Bangaldeshi Barriaster Munshi’s book) and our artilce “The Singh Doctrine” on this site. All on the front page.

    On 14th of August 2008, Geelani said “Paksitan hamara hai”, “Humm Pakistani hain”. See the article of Andhurtrti Roy (also on this site). A greenefield of Pakistani flags adorned all of Kashmir aon that day. On the 15th of August there were black falgs.

    Beware of “fitna” and those who want to spread “fasaad”. This is an Indian bogey, a “splinter” to drive a wedge between different parts of Paksitan. Kashmir is Pakistan’s “shehrag”. there is no question of any province of Paksitan to be independent.

    Please read the article in detail and see why Northerns Areas resisted Dogra rule and did not accept the rule the Mharja Ranjit SIngh etc etc.

    Please see our article all over the internet (On Kashmir Matters0 and on this site (History of Kashmir). It is part of our book on Kashmir.

    Best Regards,

    Moin Ansari

  10. Irtiza says:

    For Pakistanis, Kashmir is as imp has it is for Kashmiris…But Kashmir/Kashmiris under India/Brutal ARMY is not acceptable to Kashmiris/Pakistanis…..You have to understand that we are Muslims….& Pakistan was made for Muslims….

  11. wildpigeon says:

    Moin sahib we GIVE A DAMN 2 Indian propoganda.I’ve lost 2 of my best cousins fighting against indians occupying forces.
    Me myself is a muslim Dogra Rajput and my family left evryting in occupied Kashmir and came to Azad KASHMIR.This is the problem KASHMIR issue is not solveable.No matter how many sacrifices we do for Pakistan all they want is Kashmiri land.Azad akshmir High court and supreme court has given verdict and it is in UN resolutions that Gilgit and Baltistan is disputed territory.And legally by writing such FITNA articles u r breaking the local and international law.By reading ur articles now Indians will say valley is not part of kashmir its Indian land.We kashmiris got no problem becomin part of Pakistan as we r educated good lookin and brave enough after 60 years of war to take over Pakistan gov.Nawaz Sharif is also Kashmiri as u know.And Rajputs of Azad Kashmir r closely linked with the military elite of Pothohar.Infact Pothoharis n Kashmiris in Britain tend to live togeher as we got same language n culture.All I m sayin is do not write such articles when KASHMIR disputed territory.Gilgit and BALTISTAN IS INTEGRAL PARRT OF kASHMIR if it wasnt then you would not have felt the need to write this article.And plz we kashmiris have given more sacrifices for Pakistan than even Pakistanis.Look at KALABAGH DAM u cant make it can u ?.And Mirpur has been sunk twice for Pakistan.

  12. wildpigeon says:

    From now on I m not going 2 read any of ur aricles on Kashmir till u say Kashmir will become a part of Pakistan as a whole Unit.Province of Kshmir(as u say)or whole Unit means areas of Gilgit Baltistan,Azad kashmir,Aksai chin,areas given to China by Pakistan in 1963 without askin Kashmiries and ofcourse indian ocupied KASHMIR.This is province of KASHMIR the 5th n biggest province of Pakistan.Kashmir is not SHAMALAT between PAK,CHINA and INDIA.You know wot SHAMLAT is ? Well if u’ve got a piece of land in Pak u should know that.We r 18 million well educated n tough people after 60 years of attrocities.No power on this earth can divide our motherland in the name of geographic propoganda.

  13. Moin Ansari says:

    We will never do anything to antagonize our Kashmiri brothers.

    I agree with you and wholeheartedly support the following: “Kashmir will become a part of Pakistan as a whole Unit”.

    Nasrun minallah hai fathun qareeb

    Batt keh raheh ga Hindustan
    Kahmir banaiga Pakistan

    it is not so much about land…it is about our brothers and sisters and daughters and sons. We are struggling to free Indian Occupied KAHSMIRIS from occupation

    Pakistan ka matlab kiya La Ilaha Illalah
    Azadi ka mtlab kiya La Ilaha Illalah
    Kashmirous seh rishtaa kiya La Ilaha Illalah
    Pakistanious seh sabta kiya La Ilaha Illalah
    We can sort out everything else among oursleves as brothers and sisters.

    Was Salaam

    Moin

  14. Irtiza says:

    yes pigeon….as I told you that Pakistanis/Kashmiris can’t just tolerate the brutality of indian army over our Muslims brothers n sisters…………Our GOV/Politicians are ______________! they don’t care but we really care…I don’t know but believe me there is an attachment with you ppl in indian kashmir…..

    WASALAM…

    Irtiza Ali

    Pakistan Zindabad (future Pakistan with Kashmir as a whole)

  15. vicky says:

    Some fools having a great debate here…………

  16. manoj says:

    Hey, moin. You are altering the ethnic equation in Pakistan. If you Pakistanis are really interested in solving the Kashmir problem so as we, then stop supporting or sending Mujahidden ( Terrorists) in to Kashmir. When peace remain and trusts grows the peace solution to Kashmir automatically starts. When you support violence instead of peace it would only hardens India’s stand over Kashmir. Follow the Islam embraced by Saladdin and not the Islam praised by Osama.

  17. ngenius2010 says:

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  18. ngenius2010 says:

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